Check out this porsche E-21 that a guy is building locally here in raleigh, NC.

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sorry...I threw up a little in my mouth...
Jake

Is Nothing Sacred???

atleast it's german

you know it's a kit car, look at how poorly the rear sits on the wheel.

must be more money and time than actually buying one.

why did he do this?

I don't get it.
E21 chassis seems strange to build a replica on.

any engine pics?
i think it's a pretty freakin cool project...altho it looks as tho he could've built a full tube-frame chassis in the amount of time it might've taken to chop apart the E21 chassis (especially judging by the rear suspension/chassis)

any engine pics?
i think it's a pretty freakin cool project...altho it looks as tho he could've built a full tube-frame chassis in the amount of time it might've taken to chop apart the E21 chassis (especially judging by the rear suspension/chassis)

Yeah he def. could have built a crazy tubeframe with the time and money he has put into it, but its still a nice project. No engine shots yet, but i will be over there soon to pick up my recaros and momo wheel, so I'll snap some then. He is building up a turbo M10 for it now. no info on the turbo or specs, but i'll check that out.

It looks terrible, and will drive, accerate, and all out perform worse than a real car, while probably costing more as well :rolleyes

It looks terrible, and will drive, accerate, and all out perform worse than a real car, while probably costing more as well :rolleyes

aside from the looks, what makes you so sure that it will drive, "accerate" and perform worse than a real car?

Seriously, how light is that :eyecrazy

Bunch of pissy peoples, you know if he pulled that out of the garage and fired it up, knowing there is an E21 under there, your jaws would drop and you would be on your knees asking for a spin in the twisty's :alright

It looks terrible, and will drive, accerate, and all out perform worse than a real car, while probably costing more as well :rolleyes

Hello, have you ever built a car?

Seriously, how light is that :eyecrazy

Bunch of pissy peoples, you know if he pulled that out of the garage and fired it up, knowing there is an E21 under there, your jaws would drop and you would be on your knees asking for a spin in the twisty's :alright

THANK YOU CJ!

it def looks very impressive in person, and also he is actually getting a new VIN from the DMV and making it street legal, so i will def going for a ride or two :D. as far as the weight goes, he is taking it to scales as soon as he gets the motor in and working. I'll keep ya'll updated on the progress

Nice. A P car with the handling of a wet mop!!! I mean E21. Kekehehehehe heh.

Interesting project, although a complete failure from the word go for using a e21 chassy to build upon. I'm sure it will be addressed... but still.

Here we go Jordan...

I like it. Though a little unorthodox, it is very unique. Kudos to this guy. You gentlemen need to remember that for some, it isn't about time or money but rather achieving an example to the phrase "anything's possible". I am sure to the fact that his BMW E21 Carrera will out perform most of our E21's on this forum.

wow

jordan sarette has to post in the E21 section to get reactions now.

nice :redspot

So, is the engine in the front or back?

The engine location will remain unchanged. He is still using the E21 engine/tranny, but he is using ford thunderbird supcercoupe rear suspension with aluminum lincoln control arms. Can't wait till it is actually street legal

You guys are good sports :)

I actually followed a link here, but just the same. I said my piece. Jordan out-

Here we go Jordan...


wow

jordan sarette has to post in the E21 section to get reactions now.

nice :redspot

Jordo must be a little down about selling a very nice e30, and he is slumming on our boards. He has stated before about how e21s are tail happy and handle like crap, and he even owned one. :rolleyes :stickoutt

I just have to wait to see how the completed project comes out,
but I would never ever spend my hard earned money on such a project.
I would rather build a 67 fastback or kit cobra.

He has stated before about how e21s are tail happy and handle like crap, and he even owned one. :rolleyes :stickoutt yes well, truth be told it was my first car, I was 15, I bought it myself. I had my mind set on a e30 but I wasn't able to find anything decent anywhere near what I had money wise. it did handle like a wet mop tho. True story.:buttrock

yes well, truth be told it was my first car, I was 15, I bought it myself. I had my mind set on a e30 but I wasn't able to find anything decent anywhere near what I had money wise. it did handle like a wet mop tho. True story.:buttrock
I would have loved for you to drive my Alpina.

so he is leaving the engine in the front? What's that gona be like for cooling/clearance issues? Damn cool project though, this guy obviously has some skills..

so he is leaving the engine in the front? What's that gona be like for cooling/clearance issues? Damn cool project though, this guy obviously has some skills..
cooling will probably be fine, considering that the 997s have their radiators up front.
Jake
EDIT: I just looked at the pictures again, and he needs to go with some larger wheels...

Definitely needs a trubo, that'll make it hardcore. Is that like some sort of kit car body or is it all custom?

This has to be the single wierdest project I've ever seen. I have an article on a guy who installed a 427 side-oiler in the rear a milk truck with Jaguar IRS...but this is sooo much more obscure.

Anybody have a clue as to what inspired this build?

Anybody have a clue as to what inspired this build?

Bordem and money burning a whole in his pocket with a hint of crazyness. What did you expect, a lepricon told him too

Hello, have you ever built a car?
Formula SAE.

And whoever asked me how I thought it wouldn't perform as well as the real thing: do you honestly think the E21 is in the same league as a 911?

Formula SAE.

And whoever asked me how I thought it wouldn't perform as well as the real thing: do you honestly think the E21 is in the same league as a 911?

Formula SAE? What school?

Considering that he's using a custom rear suspension/chassis and the wieght distribution will be totally different than an E21, it's really comparing apples to oranges at this point. There are so many factors that he has changed it's not really an E21 anymore except that he's keeping the crappy front suspension for some reason. If set up properly, this car could very well perform better than a stock 911. It would be a feet for sure and is not likely, but anything's possible. And no, no one here thinks the E21 is better than a 911, or an e30 for that matter. I like them because E30's and E36's are like assholes. Everyone's got one.

Oh, and props to this guy for doing something crazy. This car is going to badass, whether it performs as well as the real thing or not. I have 1 million times more respect for a guy like this than some guy who buys a 911 or M5 or even Corvette and can't do anything more than change his oil or pay someone else to modify his car. Guys like that are wannabe enthusiasts and aren't even in the same league as this guy.

Formula SAE? What school?

There are so many factors that he has changed it's not really an E21 anymore except that he's keeping the crappy front suspension for some reason.

Yeah, I'm just baffled as to why he'd choose an e21 as a starting point.

I find the e21 more unique in appearance than any late-model Porsche I see setting by the curbside...That said, this project takes the uniqueness cake.

The ONLY reason porsches handle so well is because they are lightweight and have HUGE tires relative to the weight. They are not some magical german creation blessed by the gods of handling.

Go stick some 245's and 285's under any sub 3000# car and go enjoy the ride!

We had a similar frankenstien of a 914 with a 916 (?) GT bodykit and an STI engine with 360hp at the last shop I worked at. All tube frame with fiberglass bodywork, moton coilovers, HRE wheels, somewhere around 1900#. That thing will rip when it's finished!!

The ONLY reason porsches handle so well is because they are lightweight and have HUGE tires relative to the weight. They are not some magical german creation blessed by the gods of handling.

Go stick some 245's and 285's under any sub 3000# car and go enjoy the ride!
I plan on it. :D

The ONLY reason porsches handle so well is because they are lightweight and have HUGE tires relative to the weight. They are not some magical german creation blessed by the gods of handling.
yeah, that too, but they are pretty much the gods of suspensions, so that may have something to do with it.
Jake

thats cool and all...
but.. why?

thats cool and all...
but.. why?
Why not. He probably had the e21 lying around, had a few beers with the guys saying "I bet you I could....." and now the guys owe him several beers.

I plan on it. :D
They will not fit on your alpina.

Hey I give the guy my respect for doing something different.
But to really wow me, and gain my awe I want to see a m20 turbo under the hood.

Question is the engine going to in the front or the rear?

lol, maybe he wanted a new porsche that would actually last +200k miles :stickoutt


IMO, as long as the turbo m10 that's being built is kinda on the wild side too...this car should perform reallly well.

it's going to be A LOT lighter than a normal 997 (that's if he keeps it gutted)...I'd guess around 1,000lbs lighter.

plus, a track prep'd E21 with a built turbo m10 can work modified 996tt's all day long...it's been done before (for those that remember Paul, M10-Power...the crazy canadian)

They will not fit on your alpina.

I would never do that to the Alpina. I meant the 2002.

I am sorry but that is just a waist of time, money, and a perfectly good e21. The amount of money he spent on building this abomination, he could have built a great club racer 944, or even buy a late 70s-early 80s 911. Then he would have a real Porsche and not some pieced together fakey-do.

I will now just shake my head in disgust.:thumbdown

I give the guy props, he's got imagination. Needs bigger wheels though. I wish I had too much money, I'd turn my E21 into a Hummer.

I give the guy props, he's got imagination. Needs bigger wheels though. I wish I had too much money, I'd turn my E21 into a Hummer.
If you had too much money you can buy a real hummer

If you had too much money you can buy a real hummer
That was sarcasm. I'm aware of the option to buy a hummer if I had too much money. I still would never buy a hummer though. Instead I'd convert my e21 into a transformer that can turn into a twelve foot tall robot with ray guns.
(more sarcasm.)

That was sarcasm. I'm aware of the option to buy a hummer if I had too much money. I still would never buy a hummer though. Instead I'd convert my e21 into a transformer that can turn into a twelve foot tall robot with ray guns.
(more sarcasm.)
Now that would be cool!! Optimus Prime.

That was sarcasm. I'm aware of the option to buy a hummer if I had too much money. I still would never buy a hummer though. Instead I'd convert my e21 into a transformer that can turn into a twelve foot tall robot with ray guns.
(more sarcasm.)

NOW THATS THE TICKET - I like your thinking!

That was sarcasm. I'm aware of the option to buy a hummer if I had too much money. I still would never buy a hummer though. Instead I'd convert my e21 into a transformer that can turn into a twelve foot tall robot with ray guns.
(more sarcasm.)

I made one out my ex girlfriends VW bug. I had to import the ray gun from Japan thuogh, Germany officails were being a bitch thanks to some weapons treaty...

http://gprime.net/video.php/volkswagen

Sweet - Drug money goes a lot way these days:D

He should badge it as a BMW 3xx just to add to the confusion factor.

I made one out my ex girlfriends VW bug. I had to import the ray gun from Japan thuogh, Germany officails were being a bitch thanks to some weapons treaty...

http://gprime.net/video.php/volkswagen

Haha, that's awesome. I always liked the japanese ray guns better than the german ones anyways, more compact and lightweight. And that's what is really important.

Maybe this thread got a little off-track. No, nevermind, it didn't.

Man he better mod the engine somehow, otherwise he's sure gonna look stupid getting his ass kicked by some ricer in a honda civic.

Man he better mod the engine somehow, otherwise he's sure gonna look stupid getting his ass kicked by some ricer in a honda civic.
get over it already, a stock civic is slower than a stock e21 most of the time. I used to beat those back when my car was stock.

DEAD HORSE!!!! who wants to beat it again?

I used to beat those back when my car was stock.
hahaha, now that's saying something. We all know how formidable a stock 320i is. Civics are teh suck.

Man, I don't get you guys. That thing is an abomination, it's all show and no go. Pretty much on the same level as buying 24" chrome spinners or should I say "spin-a-dins" for your car.

If you wanna talk about real craftsmanship, how about take an orignal, brand new 997, chop the body, and replace it with an E21 body to make a kick ass sleeper, FTMFW!!! :buttrock

Man, I don't get you guys. That thing is an abomination, it's all show and no go. Pretty much on the same level as buying 24" chrome spinners or should I say "spin-a-dins" for your car.

If you wanna talk about real craftsmanship, how about take an orignal, brand new 997, chop the body, and replace it with an E21 body to make a kick ass sleeper, FTMFW!!! :buttrock
now, while that is a mortal sin in my book...that sounds like it'd be pretty damn funny, especially when encountering some rice...
Jake

it's all show and no go. Pretty much on the same level as buying 24" chrome spinners or should I say "spin-a-dins" for your car.
How can you say that when you have no idea how much it weighs or how much power he's going to be putting down? It could very well have the same or better hp to weight ratio as a real 997.

I see why you say its like putting spinners on a car... yeah, it's just like that if you ignore the huge amount of skill, time and effort involved.:confused

Yes, the skill involved might be impressive, but the project itself is just a waste. Again, the amount of time, effort and money, he could have a real 911, not some rebodied e21. Nothing of this project seems worth doing. He should have just bought a 70's 911 and get the 996/997 kit for that car. It would be a true Porsche with Porsche traits, not an old BMW with old BMW traits. How can anyone think this thing is a good idea????

Man, I don't get you guys. That thing is an abomination, it's all show and no go. Pretty much on the same level as buying 24" chrome spinners or should I say "spin-a-dins" for your car.

If you wanna talk about real craftsmanship, how about take an orignal, brand new 997, chop the body, and replace it with an E21 body to make a kick ass sleeper, FTMFW!!! :buttrock

You know nothing of craftsmanship.

And as far as spinners, if you think it was easy as that, go get a blunt force object and give it to Nic.

How can anyone think this thing is a good idea????

Its a stupid idea and crazy, but hell it is what it is. No one is the same nor do they want to be.

And as far as spinners, if you think it was easy as that, go get a blunt force object and give it to Nic.

I could use 24" spinndaz Rimz.

Yes, the skill involved might be impressive, but the project itself is just a waste. Again, the amount of time, effort and money, he could have a real 911, not some rebodied e21. Nothing of this project seems worth doing. He should have just bought a 70's 911 and get the 996/997 kit for that car. It would be a true Porsche with Porsche traits, not an old BMW with old BMW traits. How can anyone think this thing is a good idea????

This is exactly what I'm trying to say!

My comment about the 24 inch chrome rims is in reference to the fact that the builder is bringing unnecessary attention/hype to that thing with the 997 body than it deserves.

I have no doubt that it took a lot of time and skill to create as I've done body work before and I can tell you it can be a major PITA. However, the fact still remains even if that thing has a better power/weight ratio than the 997 and setup suspension, I highly doubt it will ever be the complete, well tuned package the 997 is.