Saw a site where a person did the swap. Seems very possible. Anyone here have any first hand knowledge. I have both cars already.

Tyler

It's not done that often because it involves alot of fabrication and is inheritly harder than an m20 or s14 swap. Having said that if you have the parts and the will power go for it. There's nothing more awesome than an original conversion.

Anything can be done. How much money can you spend?

It doesn't seem to be a very good idea to me. You can do the m20 or s14 swap more easily and they're both better platforms.

If you're going through that much trouble, I would at least want a decent power increase, but that's just me.

I was only going to do it since I had bot cars. The 318 is easy to sell so I will be on the look out for another s14 motor. I just sold one recently.

On a side note doing the M20 Vs. S14. Are these about the same trouble to install.


Tyler

Skip in beautiful AR Kansas is doing this swap in his wife's 02.

On a side note doing the M20 Vs. S14. Are these about the same trouble to install.

The M20 can be harder to install initially but is probably a lot more easier to maintain.

S14 >>> M42

S14 >>> M42


Please eleborate.

Tyler

S14 < S42 > M42?? I saw a thread not long ago (maybe it comes and goes) on the S42 engine. Apparently used by BMW after the S14, but not for long. I believe the last post I saw was from someone in South Africa who was building one from a 524td block, M3 pistons, etc.; probably availability of European-spec parts would be the difference....That would be sweet (also sweat).

s14 - worthless
M42 - worthless

If you just want to blow money I have a paypal account and you can just give me the money instead. Your better off building a m10 which is a cheap engine to build, can crank out sooooo much power per volume, and parts are easy to get. You can do anything you want and Im not trying to be an ass but wasting money is absurd just to say you have something unique. In reality, you can supercharge a m10, remain being unique and it would still cost less than just buying a s14.

I love my S 14 powered 02. I have supercharged M10 powered 02 as well. I would rather have the S 14.

s14 - worthless
M42 - worthless

If you just want to blow money I have a paypal account and you can just give me the money instead. Your better off building a m10 which is a cheap engine to build, can crank out sooooo much power per volume, and parts are easy to get. You can do anything you want and Im not trying to be an ass but wasting money is absurd just to say you have something unique. In reality, you can supercharge a m10, remain being unique and it would still cost less than just buying a s14.

I have a lot of knowledge with the s14 and supercharged 4 cylinders. Any write ups are pcitures of the M10 install. I have decided against any m42 swap, so now s14 or m10. A supercharged or turboed M10 sound very good. I am sorta of a 2002 rookie.

Tyler

I love my S 14 powered 02. I have supercharged M10 powered 02 as well. I would rather have the S 14.

You know people are going to call BS until you can provide pics of said drivetrains.:)

I cannot post pics here. Keith can you post the pics? M2 is a 73 2.3 S14 ireland suspension adj . seams perfect interior 5 spd 390 ls 15x6 volk racing wheels
malaga black. Supercharged is M 10 eaton supercharger from the 70s? 7.1 pistons 292 regrind with a 40 weber. CR steering, CR 5 speed. turbo gas tank Irland adj suspension minilites "fly" yellow with turbo style stripes. 15x6 minlites
I have posted pics of them on faq before and the SC car is on the last page of the 02 calender.

I cannot post pics here. Keith can you post the pics? M2 is a 73 2.3 S14 ireland suspension adj . seams perfect interior 5 spd 390 ls 15x6 volk racing wheels
malaga black. Supercharged is M 10 eaton supercharger from the 70s? 7.1 pistons 292 regrind with a 40 weber. CR steering, CR 5 speed. turbo gas tank Irland adj suspension minilites "fly" yellow with turbo style stripes. 15x6 minlites
I have posted pics of them on faq before and the SC car is on the last page of the 02 calender.

Sounds like AndyS. Correct? If so, your fly yellow is truly fly. haha. Although I have yet to see your Malaga Black one.

Yes sir, it is. I can't post a link either but there is a pic of it on the faq from june 13th? malaga paint schemes or variations there of

Ah, I've seen your Malaga car too but never associated with you until you mentioned Volk Racing. How dare you go Japanese on us! j/k. :)

Hope it's ok to post these:

hehe, it they are soooo light. even worse, it has a wool headliner!

What is the car going to be used for? Daily driver? Track use? Does it matter if its fuel injected or carburated?

I had this decision to make a while back. M44, S14, S/C M10, T/C M10, or NA M10. Since the car was mostly for autox, I went with an NA m10.

I had an M44 which is basically an M42 with obd2 and a different intake and a bit different ignition system and its a 1.9 instead of 1.8. Good power can be pulled from these engines but the reason I sold it is because they have a different tranny pattern than the S14 and M10, I wasnt going to go for a M44/42 tranny search when I had a getraq 245 on hand. Another reason why I left the engine was the block, it seemed like it wouldnt handle anything above a 2.1 displacement. The S42 would be nice but if it broke, who would know how to fix it, the engine was never produced for the market. Go to a dealership or a random BMW shop, would they know what an S42 is?

With all this talk about the S14 being expensive, the M10 can get pretty expensive too. Twin side draft setup will run over a grand and ONE 316 cam from Schrick can run over 700. So $1700 and you still havent even touched internals. I do have a S/C and T/C kit. I stayed away from T/C since I wanted instant throttle response for autox. I stayed away from S/C beecause my brake booster was in the way, I use a 320i booster. Some people stay with the stock booster and it will fit, but I dont understand why someone would sacrafice braking power for horsepower in that situation, cant go fast without brakes. If you do go with an M10, go with one from the 2002 years, the blocks are stronger. A fuel injection system can be relatively easy to fabricate, MegaSquirt, J-tronic system, even the system out of the first water cooled vanagon( I was about to use that one!)

To me, the S14 is awesome. Though it maybe dated compared to todays VANOS and dare I say it, V-tec engines, the S14 power per liter was not contested till the S2000 came out. The last thing I would call it is "worthless". The block is thick with reinforcement ribs around each cylinder, I have heard some people pushing it too 2.7, but a 2.3 is plentiful and a 2.5 would be nice. The swap is not that bad, its about as long as an M10. The real big thing to deal with is the tranny tunnel. It has to be opened up a bit at the top so the tranny can fit.

I am happy with my M10, but I can be happier. If I could do it all over again, I would go with the S14. The M10 does have potential, but it peaks early. 200 hp with an M10 is reachable, but it wont be as reliable or streetable. The S14 gives you 190 stock. The most advice I can give you is to try to do most things youself, Im not just talking about labor, but also parts. A 2.5 conv for an S14 can run 2200, but with a good machine shop and some junkyards, you can cut that price lower. And those little things can add up and save you a ton of money for your project. Also be ready to spend money on other parts other than the engine, extra HP will change car characteristics and invest in a good clutch. With all that work done to the engine you want to get all its power, not half of it, BELIEVE ME, I know from experience and I felt like an idiot.

Heres some good links

The s42 thread
http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=433471

All about the S14
www.S14.net

2002 parts
www.bmw2002.com

Hope this helps! Good luck!

If you want good reliable HP stick with the M10 and turbo charge it.
2.0 bottom end with a 1.8 head @ 10psi you'll be pushin 200 to the wheels.

I have a 2.0 M10 with efi. I may go with a "modern" turbo set up in that car. I have been told by my wife boss "NO MORE!" I didn run the S 14 car in an 8th of a mile once it ran a 9.44. 3rd gear about 30 feet from the end of the run. I know my SC car isn't nearly as quick but I am not sure where the top end would be. I would have to go find a place not to be arrested to find out.

Please post some pcitures of different m10 set ups. Car wil be used for Auto x and then off to some track days. I have two cars that can already handle the teask but this would be another project and I am into cars what can I say.

Tyler

Though it maybe dated compared to todays VANOS and dare I say it, V-tec engines, the S14 power per liter was not contested till the S2000 came out.

Sorry but the 1.6L DOHC Vtec on my CRX back in 1989 had 100hp/liter. Ferrari also around that time had over 100hp/liter too but that is an exotic.

There are a lot of good 2002 resources in Seattle so you should probably ask around and you can see just about any setup you could want. At the recent 2002 meet last month there was a car there with an S14 and I have seen a couple others in the PNW. Its really not that rare.

Like mentioned I considered going with an M42 out of an e30 mainly because the oil pan is better suited for the front engine cradle and the intake is smaller to possibly avoid complications with the booster. Overall I really liked the M42 idea since its DOHC, but the problem I had was justifying so much work for a motor that does not have much of an aftermarket at all. For this reason alone you are much better off sticking with the M10 or S14....The M20 weighs too much IMO.

For AX depending on how much experience you have I would just go with an M10, stock cam ect, and upgrade to a weber 32/36 carb or if you want a 38/38 if you can find one for a reasonable price. Not sure how much driving experience you have but you will be much better off spending your money on suspension components and seat time to really increase the times. At the point you think the engines power is what is holding you back, then I would worry about upgrading to a bigger cam and some side drafts.

Talk to Brian Capp in North Bend, he can show you some different setups.

Just my .02

I just have to ask why?

....seriously why?

turbo a m10 and enjoy.