View Full Version : Couple plans Formula One-style track in Decatur


unluckey13
07-11-2006, 05:31 PM
"Couple plans Formula One-style track in Decatur

By SANDRA BAKER

STAR-TELEGRAM STAFF WRITER

A Southlake couple has purchased 441 acres near Decatur in rural Wise County where they are initially investing $3.5 million to build a Formula One-style auto road course that could be ready by September.

David and Linda Cook said they expect the course, about an hour north of downtown Fort Worth, to be certified this year by the sport’s toughest standards established by its governing body, Formula One racing, Fédération Internationale de l’Automobile, based in Paris.

The track will also meet Sports Car Club of America and Grand-Am standards, making it suitable for road cars, motorbikes, super bikes, and vintage and legend series cars, the couple said. The track will be available to clubs, such as the Ferrari Club of America and Porsche Club of America, as well as offer private memberships, the couple said.

If it receives the FIA certification, it would be one of only a few tracks in the United States to have the rating. The couple also hope to be far enough along in the track’s development to host international races by 2008, as well as other major, sanctioned races for professionals and amateurs.

The development is being called Eagles Canyon Motorsports Park. It is in eastern Wise County, near the Wise-Denton county line, off Farm Roads 51 and 455.

The couple, who have an extensive background in auto racing, said they expect the development to draw car and racing enthusiasts from throughout North Texas and across the country. The speedway could spur commercial development nearby.

“It’s definitely going to impact the environment economically,” said Linda Cook, who has been racing since 2001 and was the first woman to enter the Canada Grand Prix Ferrari Challenge in 2004. “This is a serious undertaking.”

David Cook, a native of England, came to the United States as a radar engineer with General Dynamics in the 1960s. An entrepreneur, he has owned Sonaca MNF, the largest producer of wing panels for regional and business jets. His family has been involved in the aviation industry since 1917. He has been involved in motor racing since the 1970s, once competing in rallies in England.

Wise County officials expect the track to increase the number of people traveling to the area, particularly on weekends, County Judge Dick Chase said. That would increase sales tax revenue for many of the surrounding cities with hotel rooms to rent and restaurants to serve the visitors, he said.

“It’s a good addition. I don’t see this as a detriment,” Chase said. “It’s something that could grow over the years.”

Bulldozers have been out scraping the path for a 2.5-mile racecourse. After additional engineering is completed, asphalt will be put down in the coming months, the Cooks said. The track will eventually have a clubhouse and tower, as well as spectator seating at various spots around the track.

The track is north of Texas Motor Speedway, which features NASCAR races, as well as road-course-style events. Formula One cars have one seat, an open cockpit and travel at speeds of about 200 mph. Drivers race on tracks that features twists, right- and left-hand turns and switchback curves. NASCAR racers have traditional auto bodies and drivers race on an oval track with only left-hand turns.

It took the Cook’s more than two years to find the right topography and enough hills and valleys to replicate a European countryside, where Formula One racing has been the motor sport of choice for decades.

“There’s a lot of flatland in Texas and in the northern part of the state,” David Cook said.

The land has elevations of 70 feet in some parts, which will allow spectators to see to the far side of the course.

“The beauty of this is the piece of land,” Linda Cook said.

Norman Lindley, a Fort Worth real-estate broker, said the couple wanted to be near the area where Interstates 35W and 35E meet, making the track accessible from Fort Worth and Dallas. They bought the land from Gene and Mary Niblett in Denton.

Steve Watkins, a real-estate broker with Scott Brown Commercial in Denton who races Porsches as a member of the area chapter of the Porsche Club of America, said the new track will be a good alternative for car enthusiasts and clubs that mainly drive locally at the MotorSport Ranch in Cresson.

“North Texas is a huge market and we have only one place to do this right now,” Watkins said. “It will be a huge draw. There are a lot of elevation changes, and every change makes the course more challenging and more exciting for the drivers.”

Rob Lay, a Southlake resident and amateur Ferrari racer for the past five years, said it will be good to have a professional-level track. He said other developers have planned tracks for the area in the past several years, but they’ve never able to complete their projects.

“I really hope it’s successful,” Lay said. “I’m a huge Formula One fan.”

Eddie Gossage, president and general manager of Texas Motor Speedway, said that the more likely use for the course is for club-car enthusiasts.

“You’re talking about they guy down the street that has a sports car and likes to drive fast,” Gossage said Thursday from Las Vegas, where he is attending a NASCAR race. “They are participant-driven races, rather than spectator-driven.”

Texas Motor Speedway has an infield road course that is used about 150 times a year for sports car-style racing. The course has four variations, with the longest being 2.3 miles. It incorporates the racing oval, but it also includes an area on the interior of the track.

Formula One traces its roots to the European Grand Prix of the 1920s and 1930s, but the first Formula One race was held in 1950.

One race on the 2006 world championship series is in July in Indianapolis.

“Texas is a great place to do a track,” David Cook said. “You’ve got good weather year-round. It’s a good location. Texas has a lot of energy. People are progressive here.”






I've Seen it and it looks like they are pretty close to be done grading. Hopefully it will be ready soon!

m3pastu
07-11-2006, 06:28 PM
Groovy!

Greg S
07-11-2006, 06:35 PM
Repost.

unluckey13
07-11-2006, 07:03 PM
I didnt know it was a repost, but i didnt look further back then the second page. Oh well

Def
07-11-2006, 07:31 PM
So does this mean they're going to try to get F1 races there - I somehow doubt that with how much they're spending. The spectator facilities alone at an FIA F1 track are probably $3.5 mil+ by themselves.

More tracks the better, but that's some crappy ass reporting when it's more likely to see the occasional Star Mazda and maybe Rolex car race at the most - not F1 by any stretch.

CABimmer
07-11-2006, 07:36 PM
expect to spend 200m to get a top race facility. There hasnt been any news onthis since this article last year.

unluckey13
07-11-2006, 08:23 PM
Hey I didnt rite it. I found it, so I dont know about the F1 or anything. But it looks fun for club racing. I do have pictures but i cant post them yet, because i dont have enough posts. Hope it gets done soon.

SyN
07-11-2006, 09:01 PM
yeah I haven't heard any new on it since last year either. but theres no telling. My guess is they went belly up after they're initial 20mill they blew.

unluckey13
07-11-2006, 09:22 PM
/Users/presto/Desktop/100_3810.JPG

Theres a pic of it. Or it might not work. I dont know yet. Where can i post pictures if it doesnt work?

Def
07-11-2006, 09:38 PM
Can't post pics from your computer - must host them.

www.imageshack.us is free.

unluckey13
07-11-2006, 10:37 PM
Thanks "Def" heres the link for yall to see.

h ttp://img212.imageshack.us/img212/9226/10038103nv.jpg
(Just take out that space)

CABimmer
07-11-2006, 11:02 PM
I would like to see a new picture that one is over a year old

unluckey13
07-11-2006, 11:22 PM
I took that like a week ago. Its not over a year old.

Greg S
07-12-2006, 02:06 AM
Thanks "Def" heres the link for yall to see.

h ttp://img212.imageshack.us/img212/9226/10038103nv.jpg
(Just take out that space)
http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/9226/10038103nv.jpg for you lazy people.

CABimmer
07-12-2006, 11:03 AM
I took that like a week ago. Its not over a year old.

No way. Ive seen that picture, or at least one just like it with the wing of a plane.

unluckey13
07-28-2006, 12:14 AM
I know this thread is a little old but hey I found the website. The plane is a little bit different then the one I was in. h ttp://www.eaglescanyon.com/htm/images.htm (take out the space)

Greg S
07-28-2006, 12:15 AM
I know this thread is a little old but hey I found the website. The plane is a little bit different then the one I was in. http://www.eaglescanyon.com/htm/images.htm
Fixed.

CABimmer
07-28-2006, 07:30 AM
wow this looks almost real

weaksauce
07-28-2006, 07:34 AM
that can't be real. It looks like it's been raining there.

hinzm3
07-28-2006, 10:55 AM
Their memberships are retarded... MSR is a better deal


3. PRIVATE MEMBERSHIP

Approximately twenty weekends per year (Friday, Saturday and Sundays). As many week days as the schedule permits.

To include all immediate family members and up to 12 guest passes per annum (a maximum of two passes to be used per month). Free access for family members to all event days, sanctioned races and activities held at ECR. Lock-up garages will be made available according to individual needs on a first come basis.

A one time fee of $5,000, less 20% discount for membership before the track opens.

Monthly dues of $250



4. JUNIOR MEMBERSHIP

Approximately ten weekends per year (Friday, Saturday and Sundays). As many week days as the schedule permits.

This membership is non refundable but the amount can be converted at a later stage to any of the other memberships stated.

A one time fee of $2,500, less 20% discount before the track opens.

Weekend fees of $100 per day, weekday fees of $75 per day

Greg S
07-28-2006, 11:28 AM
I concur that they're retarded. $100/day? $250/month? $25,000?

I'd rather pay $250 for a 2 day DE and save a $2500 initial investment.

CABimmer
11-21-2006, 01:00 PM
Wow, this is going to happen

http://www.eaglescanyon.com/htm/images.htm

hinzm3
11-21-2006, 01:03 PM
nice! we should have a lot of options next year eagles canyon, racers ranch, MSR, TWS, MSRH but that track sucks...

now I just gotta fix my car :(

CABimmer
11-21-2006, 01:05 PM
I dont think Racers Ranch is do to open for a few years.

hinzm3
11-21-2006, 01:07 PM
I think they plan on having the track done next year.... thought they broke ground already last month. Didn't they have an "open house" a few weeks ago to drive the track before its paved?

VwickV
11-21-2006, 01:23 PM
they are shooting for having DEs there by mid 08 i believe.

CABimmer
11-21-2006, 01:25 PM
they are shooting for having DEs there by mid 08 i believe.


eagles or racers ranch

hinzm3
11-21-2006, 01:29 PM
eagles or racers ranch

racers ranch

Greg S
11-21-2006, 01:30 PM
they are shooting for having DEs there by mid 08 i believe.
That guy said Mid 07(Racers Ranch).

CABimmer
11-21-2006, 01:33 PM
seen any pics of the track layout?

hinzm3
11-21-2006, 01:35 PM
seen any pics of the track layout?

haven't seen any real pics just this layout
http://racersranch.com/images/track_pic.jpg

CABimmer
11-21-2006, 01:38 PM
hey, hows the turbo coming?

hinzm3
11-21-2006, 01:40 PM
its not haha I haven't touched the car in two months but I think i'm going to start working on it again. The head gasket is going on the e36 so I need to have at least 1 running car

gobuffs
11-21-2006, 01:53 PM
RR is scheduled to start paving soon. They expect to have a track by the end of April.

gobuffs
11-21-2006, 01:57 PM
I wonder if this is the new paver? The old paver (same one that did the MSR extension) was fired.

This pic shows elevation change, but is seems more exaggerated than I expected.

http://www.eaglescanyon.com/img/gallery/construction/gallery97.jpg

Greg S
11-21-2006, 01:59 PM
So basically it's a bunch of 90* turns it looks like.

CABimmer
11-21-2006, 02:35 PM
The guys that did MSR should be shot. that whole place needs to be redone.

Greg S
11-21-2006, 02:45 PM
The guys that did MSR should be shot. that whole place needs to be redone.
MSR-C or H?

CABimmer
11-21-2006, 02:49 PM
Cresson

I havent been to H yet

Greg S
11-21-2006, 02:52 PM
I don't think C is that bad.

hinzm3
11-21-2006, 03:08 PM
Doug MSRC is 1000x better than MSRH

CABimmer
11-21-2006, 03:17 PM
wow, that is amazing. MSRC is falling apart.

littlelee1
11-21-2006, 04:15 PM
Yea, they have already started paving it, they spent over 10 million (?) on site grading alone to create a "Brittish-esque" experience.

They already had a "breaking-ground" ceremony a month or so ago. It's coming along slowly but surely. The guy whom I posted the F1 cars about last year has already purchased some land from them in order to build a house...with a helipad. :rolleyes

CABimmer
11-21-2006, 04:38 PM
I talked with the BMWCCA guys and they are not interested in hosting more than two events per year. Next year they are both at MSR

hinzm3
11-21-2006, 04:43 PM
I talked with the BMWCCA guys and they are not interested in hosting more than two events per year. Next year they are both at MSR

racers ranch will be only drivers edge which sucks... I think bmwcca and pca both pulled out of MSRH because the track is so bad so look for more TWS events next year which is awesome, love that track. Will be interesting to see what EC does with their track

CABimmer
11-21-2006, 05:21 PM
never done drivers edge, what sucks

M3 Adjuster
11-25-2006, 10:34 PM
Wow... I don't check out this forum much.... lots of corrections...

MSR-H raised their rental fees, which is why TDE and Lone Star PCA and also Houston BMW CCA will not be back next year...

TDE has posted their 2007 schedule and they have some dates for Eagles Canyon but not Racers Ranch.... In addition, TDE will actually be doing all the actual coordination of on track duties at Racers Ranch, so you KNOW they'll be the first to come out with an event there...

TDE has the same # of events at TWS as this year I believe..

<table id="table1" style="border-collapse: collapse;" border="0" cellpadding="3" width="48%"><tbody><tr><td align="left" valign="top"> January 13 - 14</td> <td align="left" valign="top"> <st1:place w:st="on"> <st1:placename w:st="on">Eagles</st1:placename> <st1:placetype w:st="on"> Canyon </st1:placetype></st1:place>(Sanger)
Tentative Date waiting on track completion.</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" valign="top"> February 03 - 04 </td> <td align="left" valign="top"> Motorsport Ranch (<st1:place w:st="on"><st1:placetype w:st="on">Ft.</st1:placetype> <st1:placename w:st="on"> Worth</st1:placename></st1:place>) </td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" valign="top"> March 03 - 04 </td> <td align="left" valign="top"> <st1:state w:st="on"> Texas</st1:state> World <st1:city w:st="on">Speedway</st1:city> (<st1:city w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">College Station</st1:place></st1:city>)</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" valign="top"> Mar.30 – Apr.1 </td> <td align="left" valign="top"> Motorsport Ranch (<st1:place w:st="on"><st1:placetype w:st="on">Ft.</st1:placetype> <st1:placename w:st="on"> Worth</st1:placename></st1:place>)</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" valign="top"> May 05 - 06 </td> <td align="left" valign="top"> <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:placename w:st="on"> Eagles</st1:placename> <st1:placetype w:st="on">Canyon</st1:placetype></st1:place> (Sanger) </td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" valign="top"> June 02 - 03 </td> <td align="left" valign="top"> <st1:state w:st="on"> Texas</st1:state> World <st1:city w:st="on">Speedway</st1:city> (<st1:place w:st="on"><st1:city w:st="on">College Station</st1:city></st1:place>)</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" valign="top"> July 14-15 </td> <td align="left" valign="top"> Motorsport Ranch (<st1:place w:st="on"><st1:placetype w:st="on">Ft.</st1:placetype> <st1:placename w:st="on"> Worth</st1:placename></st1:place>) </td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" valign="top"> August</td> <td align="left" valign="top"> Surprise Event</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" valign="top"> September 15-16</td> <td align="left" valign="top"> Motorsport Ranch (<st1:place w:st="on"><st1:placetype w:st="on">Ft.</st1:placetype> <st1:placename w:st="on"> Worth</st1:placename></st1:place>) </td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" valign="top"> October 13-14</td> <td align="left" valign="top"> <st1:state w:st="on"> Texas</st1:state> World <st1:city w:st="on">Speedway</st1:city> (<st1:city w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">College Station</st1:place></st1:city>)</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" valign="top"> November 10-11</td> <td align="left" valign="top"> <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:placename w:st="on"> Eagles</st1:placename> <st1:placetype w:st="on">Canyon</st1:placetype></st1:place> (Sanger) </td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left" valign="top"> December 08-09 </td> <td align="left" valign="top"> Motorsport Ranch (<st1:place w:st="on"><st1:placetype w:st="on">Ft.</st1:placetype> <st1:placename w:st="on"> Worth</st1:placename></st1:place>)</td></tr></tbody></table>



At the meeting at Racer's Ranch.. they indicated that they need 40 homesite lots sold... (each lot has a price of $275K) and they had 14 sold at that time.... and then they would start constructing the track...

M3 Adjuster
11-25-2006, 10:38 PM
never done drivers edge, what sucks

Driver's Edge...

Many people do not like their events..

Personally.. they CHARGE more than anyone else in town...and it's a FOR PROFIT entity (Rick S has indicated he's buying a lot out at Racers Ranch btw) unlike PCA and BMW CCA.

M3 Adjuster
11-25-2006, 10:46 PM
Regarding MSR-C, I agree.. the pavement is not that bad.. the new section entry and exit are rougher than they should be.. the exit of little bend is bumpy.. that's allI've got to complain about....



MSR-H in indeed WAY worse than MSR-C.... MSR-H was bumpy in some sections from the very beginning.... and then it got worse!

M3 Adjuster
11-25-2006, 10:53 PM
So basically it's a bunch of 90* turns it looks like.

you've been slurping up the Dave Scott Kool Aid...
There's 70-80 feet of elevation change out there amidst them thar 90 degree turns.... at least wait until you drive it before you start (your usual) bitchin about what's wrong with it..

maranelloman
11-25-2006, 11:05 PM
So basically it's a bunch of 90* turns it looks like.

I used to think that. However, with the elevation changes + the ability to run both directions, and other features, it appears that I was wrong. It is going to be a lot better than it first appeared.

maranelloman
11-25-2006, 11:07 PM
wow, that is amazing. MSRC is falling apart.

Absolute rubbish. MSRH is falling apart, MSRC is not.

M3 Adjuster
11-25-2006, 11:17 PM
Their memberships are retarded... MSR is a better deal


MSR is only a better deal if you are single and want to run a little but not a LOT.

MSR-H = $3400 initiation plus $90 monthly + $20 per run session...

ECR - PRIVATE = $5000 plus $250 monthly... 20 MAX + 12 guest passes

ECR- JUNIOR = $2500 plus ZERO monthly, $100 weekend fees - 10 MAX

Anyone reading this like I am? WEEKEND is defined as Friday, Saturday, and Sunday.... I can go out all 3 days for a flat fee of $100... I am SO there!

The ECR Junior membership is awesome for people that don't expect to be at the track more than one weekend a month... Personally.. I instruct and also run a-x so 10 times a year is just fine for me... plus.. there is no payment needed if I don't run that month (unlike MSR) ... I think I know about 15 people that are members at MSR and none of them are out there more than one weekend a month on average..!

The ECR Private membership looks expensive at first glance... but check it..

12 guest passes free? WOW!

The ENTIRE (immediate) FAMILY runs for under the same membership?
How's that for added value for those father/son or father/daughter or husband/wife (or any other mix) families?

Finally if you are SINGLE.. and just a complete track fiend... compare vs MSR... After 8 sessions in a month
at MSR, the MSR member pays more than the ECR Private member... plus their guests have to pay too!


All I can say is that I am *stoked* to have three (possible, pending Racers Ranch) tracks within an hour drive
of my home..... and I'll be at member at ECR, which is closest, and the best bargain, BEFORE the track opens...

Def
11-26-2006, 12:24 AM
Given the low cost of DEs in this region, I think it's kind of odd that the primarily membership based track model has taken off like it has.


They're a good deal if you're going to drive the bejesus out of a car, but the break even time is pretty far out for most membership models compared to just hopping into a bunch of DEs per year. I guess the flexibility is a nice bargain for some people... and not running with some of the wackos that typically show up to DEs. :D

gobuffs
11-26-2006, 12:36 AM
I used to think that. However, with the elevation changes + the ability to run both directions, and other features, it appears that I was wrong. It is going to be a lot better than it first appeared.

OMFG what day is it? Did hell freeze over and I was not notified? Is the world going to stop rotating? Dave wrong? What????? :devillook

hinzm3
11-26-2006, 12:42 AM
MSR is only a better deal if you are single and want to run a little but not a LOT.

MSR-H = $3400 initiation plus $90 monthly + $20 per run session...

ECR - PRIVATE = $5000 plus $250 monthly... 20 MAX + 12 guest passes

ECR- JUNIOR = $2500 plus ZERO monthly, $100 weekend fees - 10 MAX

Anyone reading this like I am? WEEKEND is defined as Friday, Saturday, and Sunday.... I can go out all 3 days for a flat fee of $100... I am SO there!

The ECR Junior membership is awesome for people that don't expect to be at the track more than one weekend a month... Personally.. I instruct and also run a-x so 10 times a year is just fine for me... plus.. there is no payment needed if I don't run that month (unlike MSR) ... I think I know about 15 people that are members at MSR and none of them are out there more than one weekend a month on average..!

The ECR Private membership looks expensive at first glance... but check it..

12 guest passes free? WOW!

The ENTIRE (immediate) FAMILY runs for under the same membership?
How's that for added value for those father/son or father/daughter or husband/wife (or any other mix) families?

Finally if you are SINGLE.. and just a complete track fiend... compare vs MSR... After 8 sessions in a month
at MSR, the MSR member pays more than the ECR Private member... plus their guests have to pay too!


All I can say is that I am *stoked* to have three (possible, pending Racers Ranch) tracks within an hour drive
of my home..... and I'll be at member at ECR, which is closest, and the best bargain, BEFORE the track opens...

I might have read it wrong before that does seem like a better deal than MSR. MSR really limits your guest passes. It will be nice to have 3 tracks in our region! Can't wait.

gobuffs
11-26-2006, 12:45 AM
I might have read it wrong before that does seem like a better deal than MSR. MSR really limits your guest passes. It will be nice to have 3 tracks in our region! Can't wait.

IIRC there are NO guests passes available with a junior membership.

hinzm3
11-26-2006, 12:47 AM
IIRC there are NO guests passes available with a junior membership.

I think it was something retarded like maybe 2 a year. I remember reading into it when they were giving the pre new section opening discount. I think I would rather just attend DE's.

Greg S
11-26-2006, 12:53 AM
The problem with being a member is that you're limited to that ONE track. They need like a multi-track membership :) .

maranelloman
11-26-2006, 10:29 AM
OMFG what day is it? Did hell freeze over and I was not notified? Is the world going to stop rotating? Dave wrong? What????? :devillook

Hey, now. Pipe down, short bus.

A real man admits when he is wrong.

http://dls.fmjmotorsports.com/videos/images/gfy3.jpg

gobuffs
11-26-2006, 01:29 PM
Hey, now. Pipe down, short bus.

A real man admits when he is wrong.

Congrats on finally becoming a real man. I was beginning to wonder.....

maranelloman
11-26-2006, 08:39 PM
Hardee har har.