View Full Version : 97 E36 m3 VS. Evo's
strictlybmz 07-11-2006, 01:45 PM So the other night I was driving back from my G/f house around 9:00pm on the freeway. i can see in my riew view mirror some headlights going in an out of traffic im in the slow lane i can tell there on it as they get closer i notice there slowing down didnt think anything of it till i see them pull up next to me.
What do i see 2 evos we look at eachother the driver closer to me asks if i wanna run. I guess the two evos were buddies. i didnt even think about it i said hell yeah iv'e never raced a evo yet alone 2 of them. so he gets on the horn i drop it to third he honks 3 times im ahead in 3rd an into 4th gear the evo closest to me start pulling on me from the sound of it there was nothing stock about that car. i shut down around 140mph the evo next to me beat me bout 2-3 cars lenghts, The evo on the other end i put atleast 2-3 car lenghts. Gave both of them a thumbs up they did the same and took off. so As for racing evo's ive lost one and won one.. how much HP do the evos have stock...????
My Mods: Dinan Exhaust, Dinan CAI, Dinan Airmass meter, Dinan Stage 2 software, Dinan throttle body, Light weight flywheel and clutch... :buttrock
peduhpan 07-11-2006, 02:04 PM So the other night I was driving back from my G/f house around 9:00pm on the freeway. i can see in my riew view mirror some headlights going in an out of traffic im in the slow lane i can tell there on it as they get closer i notice there slowing down didnt think anything of it till i see them pull up next to me.
What do i see 2 evos we look at eachother the driver closer to me asks if i wanna run. I guess the two evos were buddies. i didnt even think about it i said hell yeah iv'e never raced a evo yet alone 2 of them. so he gets on the horn i drop it to third he honks 3 times im ahead in 3rd an into 4th gear the evo closest to me start pulling on me from the sound of it there was nothing stock about that car. i shut down around 140mph the evo next to me beat me bout 2-3 cars lenghts, The evo on the other end i put atleast 2-3 car lenghts. Gave both of them a thumbs up they did the same and took off. so As for racing evo's ive lost one and won one.. how much HP do the evos have stock...????
My Mods: Dinan Exhaust, Dinan CAI, Dinan Airmass meter, Dinan Stage 2 software, Dinan throttle body, Light weight flywheel and clutch... :buttrock
2006 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution 8 (2.0-liter, MIVEC DOHC, 16-valve, turbocharged and intercooled) engine with 286 horsepower and 289 lb-ft of torque
strictlybmz 07-11-2006, 02:33 PM Oh ok are they lighter then my car???
coolcarlski 07-11-2006, 02:37 PM So the other night I was driving back from my G/f house around 9:00pm on the freeway. i can see in my riew view mirror some headlights going in an out of traffic im in the slow lane i can tell there on it as they get closer i notice there slowing down didnt think anything of it till i see them pull up next to me.
What do i see 2 evos we look at eachother the driver closer to me asks if i wanna run. I guess the two evos were buddies. i didnt even think about it i said hell yeah iv'e never raced a evo yet alone 2 of them. so he gets on the horn i drop it to third he honks 3 times im ahead in 3rd an into 4th gear the evo closest to me start pulling on me from the sound of it there was nothing stock about that car. i shut down around 140mph the evo next to me beat me bout 2-3 cars lenghts, The evo on the other end i put atleast 2-3 car lenghts. Gave both of them a thumbs up they did the same and took off. so As for racing evo's ive lost one and won one.. how much HP do the evos have stock...????
My Mods: Dinan Exhaust, Dinan CAI, Dinan Airmass meter, Dinan Stage 2 software, Dinan throttle body, Light weight flywheel and clutch... :buttrock:shifty :help
Deuuuce 07-12-2006, 01:21 AM The weight is pretty close. They run mid-low 13s ONLY with the hard AWD launch. Therefore their top-end doesn't match what the ETs suggest. You never know when they are stock, either (obviously).
EURO M3 CSL 07-12-2006, 01:59 AM An Evo should walk a E36 M3. I believe the evo is a LIL lighter.. but not by much. anyways man.. nice try. i wouldnt wanna race them with my e36 m3 just cause i already kno the outcome :(
streetrcrm3 07-12-2006, 02:10 AM The weight is pretty close. They run mid-low 13s ONLY with the hard AWD launch. Therefore their top-end doesn't match what the ETs suggest. You never know when they are stock, either (obviously).
Evo ix have gone 12.9 stock with average driving, however are capable of 12.7@107 bone stock. Most in stock form can vary from 240-260whp to the wheels on a dynojet on 93 pump octane. On a dyno dynamics using 91 octane it is in the 225-230whp range stock.
The 05 evo 8 have been able to get into the 12.9-13.1 range. The car does not have the top end pull b/c of the parasitic powerloss from AWD...
Good race and good kill....
Deuuuce 07-12-2006, 02:40 AM Evo ix have gone 12.9 stock with average driving, however are capable of 12.7@107 bone stock. Most in stock form can vary from 240-260whp to the wheels on a dynojet on 93 pump octane. On a dyno dynamics using 91 octane it is in the 225-230whp range stock.
The 05 evo 8 have been able to get into the 12.9-13.1 range. The car does not have the top end pull b/c of the parasitic powerloss from AWD...
Good race and good kill....
Well then it's a pissing contest. I could quote 12.5 at 111.5 for SRT-8s too. But if you look at reputable magazine times, you'll never see an Evo 8 in the 12s but you will see SRT-8s in the low 13s. The smaller turbo doesn't make for good top-end either.
Regardless, take about .3 to .5 away from those times when comparing from a roll because of their superior 60fts.
coolcarlski 07-12-2006, 03:17 AM The car does not have the top end pull b/c of the parasitic powerloss from AWD...
Good race and good kill....Well there is a remedy for that! It's called run more boost,or change the turbo.
I think the topend pwr on a stck turbo,high 11 sec EVO is pretty damn good!
Spoolin' 07-12-2006, 03:51 AM 4g63t ftw :D
Good kill/death. An evo can be a beast(AMS O_O) but a stock one shouldnt give an e36 m3 with mods much trouble.
coolcarlski 07-12-2006, 06:10 AM 4g63t ftw :D
Good kill/death. An evo can be a beast(AMS O_O) but a stock one shouldnt give an e36 m3 with mods much trouble.That's totally not tru! A stck EVO will give a modded E36 M3 with mods trouble unless it's cammed like my M332i which has every mod under the table N/A stck head and pistons,schrick cams,tms chip,full SS exhaust and injectors. My M3 is a dawg in comparrison to my M332i.
strictlybmz 07-12-2006, 09:48 AM Yeah i dont know what my car is putting out i have never had a chance to go to the dyno yet. it was a fun race though i would love to race another Evo to see what the outcome would be.....
1MEANM3 07-12-2006, 09:55 AM I have raced my buddies stock 05 evo from about 60 to 120 and had a car on him. Very close. Off the line they should kill you but on the upper end without mods they are not as fast.
dmundy 07-12-2006, 10:02 AM Guy's we used to have an e46 m3. My daily beater is an Evo 9 (MR). I think the Evo is the quicker of the 2. Mine isn't stock, but it's not far off either. They are pretty darn fast.
It's hard to tell by the noise if they have done anything that matters though. A lot of mods that make them louder, don't really make them faster. (Shhh, don't tell, lot's of people get upset about that!)
strictlybmz 07-12-2006, 10:11 AM lol
strictlybmz 07-12-2006, 12:16 PM Anybody have the same or close to the same mods and have been to the dyno just wondering what numbers im around....
streetrcrm3 07-13-2006, 04:02 AM Well then it's a pissing contest. I could quote 12.5 at 111.5 for SRT-8s too. But if you look at reputable magazine times, you'll never see an Evo 8 in the 12s but you will see SRT-8s in the low 13s. The smaller turbo doesn't make for good top-end either.
Regardless, take about .3 to .5 away from those times when comparing from a roll because of their superior 60fts.
I can state that evos have run 12's stock because it has been documented before several times on evolutionm.net. Please go ahead and search the drag forum section, before you claim I am making some sort of pissing contest.
Please do not magazine race, go to your local drag strip or check around forums and are you aware of the procedure in which magazines determine 1/4 times for their cars tested?
The small turbo has the ability to put down 350-385whp and which can propel a 3300 pound car pretty well, and now a days a lot 03-05 evo drivers do not have stock turbos....(if you want your car quiet leave the cat on but whats the fun in that)
coolkarlski I love the sleepr look...
EVO guys also seem to take the words "bone stock" quite literally from what I've seen. I'm sure you could crack off a high 12 in a stock one with really good conditions, but that's about as common as an E46 M3 doing it(i.e. very rare).
I've seen EVO guys quote their "stock" times with spares out, open airbox, or maybe an intake or something that they feel is "small", hell, I've even see them quote times where they removed all the other seats in the car. It might have a stock engine - but it's not a stock car at that point once you've dropped 100 lbs off of it by pulling interior.
Boosted 07-13-2006, 11:30 PM Actually that sounds like a good race! And it was close at that man, those evo's are quick stock and with mods, yah even better. One would think that on the top end the AWD would bring them down slightly against something like a RWD M3, but I haven't raced one so who knows. I say this because I could kill plenty of cars in my AWD DSM's I've had off the line (Eclipses/Talons), but even when racing a DSM with similiar mods if he was FWD toward the end of the race he would have a slight edge (lighter car) and such.
M3zie 07-14-2006, 01:24 AM Are the STi's faster than the Evo's? They look better IMO, but both of them need to lose the diving board rear wing.
I think an STi with the WRX spoiler looks real nice.
Spoolin' 07-14-2006, 03:12 AM I dont mind the wings since they are there for a purpose and help with the overall performance of the car.
Steiner 07-14-2006, 05:01 AM Are the STi's faster than the Evo's? They look better IMO, but both of them need to lose the diving board rear wing.
I think an STi with the WRX spoiler looks real nice.
It depends which year really. The STi has not seen the annual power tweaks that the Evos have. The '03 and '04 Evos are not as powerfull as a USDM STi. The '05 Evo is the same or a little bit more powerfull and the '06 Evo IX puts down an additional 15-20whp over the STi. Once you start really tuning and really modding it's tough for the STi to keep up, dollar for dollar, with the Evo. The stock Subaru's VF turbo is smallish and the restriction from the stock exhaust is significant too. The power my '05 Evo puts down right now is pretty much as high as the STi can go on the stock snail. I can still add cams and some other minor goodies though and safely run 350whp+ on the stock turbo with a conservative tune on pump.
4G63 > EJ25
trBo328iKevo 07-14-2006, 05:58 AM Are the STi's faster than the Evo's? They look better IMO, but both of them need to lose the diving board rear wing.
I think an STi with the WRX spoiler looks real nice.
STi's are way slower than EVo from a roll i'll tell you that for one part espeically stock vs stock because STi's lose alot of power band from a roll due to there gearing...They're really good from a stop & from what i've heard they can even launch harder & higher than Evo so i really dont know. but in a roll or stop with good driver Evo should come on top no matter what.
trBo328iKevo 07-14-2006, 06:01 AM LMFAO...I'd really love to see an Evo trap a high 12 sec in 1/4 lol...I'll freaking buy one tomorrow if i do but i know they wont, what you guys read in Road & Track & Top Gear stuff is all false & bullshit just to make you buy the car....Both Evo & E46 m3 both trap about mid 13s at best & with really good driver & good tires probably low 13s...But all the Evos' in Vegas are only running high 13s & probably mid 13s with boost controller, different exhaust..
trBo328iKevo 07-14-2006, 06:03 AM Also if you dont know, AMS performance which has the two worlds fastest EVo's right now in the country also especially is like a god machine but there black one they have just bent a valve not to long ago i believe from running on bottle a lil to hard...They're pushing for low 8s on bottle but i guess they pushed it a lil to far & rushed into things to fast...
www.amsperformance.com
Deuuuce 07-14-2006, 07:48 AM EVO guys also seem to take the words "bone stock" quite literally from what I've seen. I'm sure you could crack off a high 12 in a stock one with really good conditions, but that's about as common as an E46 M3 doing it(i.e. very rare).
I've seen EVO guys quote their "stock" times with spares out, open airbox, or maybe an intake or something that they feel is "small", hell, I've even see them quote times where they removed all the other seats in the car. It might have a stock engine - but it's not a stock car at that point once you've dropped 100 lbs off of it by pulling interior.
Thank you. I could claim similar for SRT-8s but it's not realistic.
No stock ones in the 12s here: http://www.dragtimes.com/Mitsubishi--Lancer-EVO-Drag-Racing.html?resultpage=2 but decent representation.
No SRT-8s listed in the 12s either, but heres one: http://www.300cforums.com/forums/srt8-general-discussion/12593-12-56-111-50-mph-bone-stock.html?highlight=Fuse
And yes, Car & Driver dumps the clutch, full tank of fuel and corrects for atmospheric conditions. I doubt you can get more consistent than that.
coolcarlski 07-14-2006, 08:11 AM Whether the EVO is Stck,modded,whatever,it's still a 2.0L 4 cylinder and it's still a force to be reckoned with. What more needs to be said.I think it's amazing what a turbocharged 4 cyl can do to some of it's bigger opposing foe's.
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