http://www.metacafe.com/watch/122116/2007_audi_rs4/

Nice vid
Too bad its the RS4 vs M3 ZCP not CSL (if it was, the competiton might have gone differently)
The RS4 no doubt won, but it does have about 110HP advantage and costs about $10-15k more....
The M3 even being underpowered when compared to the Audi still wasn't that far behind.
Just wait for the next M3 and they should do a rematch..

That's Fifth Gear not Top Gear.

not much for a real competition, a completely new v8 vs a six year old inline 6. the stig is the only true test, and i'm sure we'll have an entirely new appreciation for his driving when the e90 m3 hits the track.

come on now, the b5 rs4 rs6 are better than this new v8 crap, so i wouldnt consider much of an improvement....so forget this its a whole new engine thing

yeah...i figured it wasnt a csl, i guess he said cs,

still a fun video... nice post.

not much for a real competition, a completely new v8 vs a six year old inline 6.

what does age of an engine got to do with it? i can prolly find a 20 year old engine and beat both of them...........

what does age of an engine got to do with it? i can prolly find a 20 year old engine and beat both of them...........

Age has a lot to do with both of them when you're talking about engines/cars that are showcasing the most recent technological developments. It'd be like comparing the E90 M3 to the E30 M3.

Age has a lot to do with both of them when you're talking about engines/cars that are showcasing the most recent technological developments. It'd be like comparing the E90 M3 to the E30 M3.

you're talking 4 vs 8...............like i said i can get a 10 or 20 year old engine and beat both cars;)

you guys are just butt hurt. it's okay the bimmer lost. cars age and they lose their edge.

nice vid... although I do agree a V8 vs an inline-6 :/ wait till the new E90 M3 comes out, then shoot the vid

you guys are just butt hurt. it's okay the bimmer lost. cars age and they lose their edge.

Troll much? You don't even drive a Bimmer and are always commenting negatively towards or about them.

come on now, the b5 rs4 rs6 are better than this new v8 crap, so i wouldnt consider much of an improvement....so forget this its a whole new engine thing

You know the rs6 have a 4.2 v8 as well right?

still a fun video... nice post.

+1 they should do the same race but when the new E92 ///M3 hits the streetz, but you gotta love that squared off Audi steering wheel:buttrock

That drifting was sweet, they admitted that the bimmer was more fun:buttrock

Being an Audi owner, even I know that this "win" will be short lived when the new M3 comes out.

There was just one of these sold where I work today, it is one of the nicest looking cars you can find and it has every single option you can think of. Audi deff completed their goal of building a family sedan that can rip it up at any moment when needed.

Troll much? You don't even drive a Bimmer and are always commenting negatively towards or about them.
so what? ban me. you drive a 318. my lawn mower is closer to being a bimmer.

maybe you're complaining because i speak the truth? the bimmer design is old. it's ovbiously going to lose to the new audi. i'll even include the original quote:
you guys are just butt hurt. it's okay the bimmer lost. cars age and they lose their edge.

if you weren't butt hurt, you wouldn't be bothering me with this crap. people don't like to see cars they like lose to competitors, but it happens.

before calling me a troll you should examine yourself. why did my comment affect you this way? everything i said makes sense. if you call me a troll because of what i said then you should call the OP a troll because he posted a video of an m3 losing. he posts something negative and i say something that you constru as neagtive...

It think BMW is slowly messing it up like audi.....loosing that racing feel every generation,,,bigger more luxurious, we'll see how the new v8 m3 does, i dont think it'll be that much better at the track than the previous model

some of you guys are too sensitive when a bmw gets outperformed

so what? ban me. you drive a 318. my lawn mower is closer to being a bimmer.

:rofl lmao! Harsh... but he or she still has a BMW.

Anyway. Great video. That Audi is damn quick. I would have liked to see the CSL. though. Most likely the same outcome but better odds. I hope they redo this match up with the new M3.

come on now, the b5 rs4 rs6 are better than this new v8 crap, so i wouldnt consider much of an improvement....so forget this its a whole new engine thing
Bullshit. The B5 RS4 was better known as the Lagmaster 2000. The larger turbos took noticably longer to spool up and it had a clunky transmission to go with it. On top of that, it suffered from terminal understeer (see if you can find Tiff Needel's road test. He thrashes it around a track yelling 'UNDERSTEER' for the entire review) and a defective aluminum suspension so weak that Audi purposely fitted the car with extra soft wheels to absorb impacts. The natural result was that RS4 owners found that their wheels were getting bent and going out of round at an alarming rate. Only after being threatened with the European equivelent of a class action lawsuit did Audi release a statement admiting to this.

Theres a thoughtful post, gtilexuslover take notes!

Being an Audi owner, even I know that this "win" will be short lived when the new M3 comes out.

so what? ban me. you drive a 318. my lawn mower is closer to being a bimmer.

Go find another forum on which to troll, because it's clear that no one welcomes a troll who just hates on BMWs, the very topic which this forum is about.

BTW, for the record, my car is an E30, not an E36--big difference when it comes to the M42 engine inside. Yes, it's pretty slow, but it's a different animal than the E36, and there's no argument about that.

maybe you're complaining because i speak the truth? the bimmer design is old. it's ovbiously going to lose to the new audi. i'll even include the original quote:


if you weren't butt hurt, you wouldn't be bothering me with this crap. people don't like to see cars they like lose to competitors, but it happens.

I'm not "butt hurt." I could care less if the M3 loses to that Audi, although I know the latter is a piece of shit and its Quattro sucks on the track. Sure, in a straight line, the RS4 dominates the E46 M3, but then again, it is much newer technology, like you yourself stated. Just wait until the E92 M3 comes out. Then we'll see who dominates.

Understeer and major lack of precision ftmfl.

before calling me a troll you should examine yourself. why did my comment affect you this way? everything i said makes sense. if you call me a troll because of what i said then you should call the OP a troll because he posted a video of an m3 losing. he posts something negative and i say something that you constru as neagtive...

This particular comment "affected" me negligibly. But, your general attitude and your posts here have almost wholly been negative towards Bimmers. And, I don't think anyone appreciates your hating. My suggestion: 1) go buy a Bimmer, 2) stop hating on Bimmers, or 3) GTFO! Then again, you didn't ask for my suggestion, and I'm pretty sure you will remain here, trolling as usual.

Still, would have really loved to see the CSL on the track race. with its lighter weight and bigger breaks and a few more hp. it would have been a much better race. Fact of the matter is that the audi has more power and AWD. what did you expect, audi is a great company with some good ideas just like BMW. However, i really don't see the new E92 M3 being any better. I am so afraid of seeing what it is going to look like and how it performs. I think I would rather just have an '06 M3 ZCP or even better if possible a CSL. thats it. Chris Bangle is a doosh bag that is turning BMW's into a line of Lexus IS300's. What happened to the beefy muscular lines that Screamed BMW!!!! I think the e46 M3 is the last true BMW. It is the last car to be produced without Chris Bangle's finals word and its the last one that looks like a BMW. Every other line from the 3's to the 5's and the 6's and 7's have changed but the M3 rides for one last year.

This is a Audi training course (I'm sure) for Audi Dealer Employees. BMW receives the same type of videos when comparing competitors. For example, BMW 330i vs Audi A4. It clearly shows the BMW on top according to a 0-60 drag race, 60-0 panic brake, slalom run, and track run.

The RS4 is a V8 powered beast, and should be tested against the E90 (4 Door) M3. In this case, the E90 M3 is not ready to be released, so they had to compare it to the existing M3, the E46. When the 4 Door E90 M3 makes it's debut in Europe, you will see it beating down that Audi RS4.

Go find another forum on which to troll, because it's clear that no one welcomes a troll who just hates on BMWs, the very topic which this forum is about.
there is a difference. find hate anywhere in my post besides the intentional bit about your 318. i was clearly stating something that is backed up by the video. the m3 lost. i restated that, and explained that this was okay because the e46 is old compared to the new audi.

let's dig up my whole post history.
http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/search.php?searchid=3532823

look through it. i'm not on here to bash bimmers. i just say what i think. i try to be as impartial as possible, but it doesn't always work. if you really know so much about my post history then you'll be able to back up your claim that i'm a troll who comes on these forums to bash on bimmers.

BTW, for the record, my car is an E30, not an E36--big difference when it comes to the M42 engine inside. Yes, it's pretty slow, but it's a different animal than the E36, and there's no argument about that.
thank you for that. i became more familiar withe e30 318 in an earlier thread.

I'm not "butt hurt." I could care less if the M3 loses to that Audi, although I know the latter is a piece of shit and its Quattro sucks on the track. Sure, in a straight line, the RS4 dominates the E46 M3, but then again, it is much newer technology, like you yourself stated. Just wait until the E92 M3 comes out. Then we'll see who dominates.

Understeer and major lack of precision ftmfl.
i agree. the new m3 will be much better. i'm not some kind of advocate for the rs4 as i think it's heavy and overpriced, but i was reffering to the e46 in my post.

the whole point of my remark was about the e46 m3. i think everyone knows the new m3 will blow the rs4 out of the water...but if you didn't care then why even anticipate the new m3?

This particular comment "affected" me negligibly. But, your general attitude and your posts here have almost wholly been negative towards Bimmers. And, I don't think anyone appreciates your hating. My suggestion: 1) go buy a Bimmer, 2) stop hating on Bimmers, or 3) GTFO! Then again, you didn't ask for my suggestion, and I'm pretty sure you will remain here, trolling as usual.
so you speak for everyone? you're saying that my so called "bashing" is not allowed b/c i don't have a bimmer? would people be more receptive to this so called "bashing" if i had a bimmer? you make no sense.

i don't hate on bimmers. i just speak my mind. again, if you know so much about me, look through my post history and prove that i'm a bimmer bashing troll.

no, you're right. i have no intention of leaving these forums b/c they were once, and still are, to a point, filled with intelligent conversations. of course every thread is not something worth publishing, but most aren't bad. that is why i stay. like you don't care about the m3 vd. rs4 debate, i really don't care that you have an issue with my so called "trolling".

take a breather and realize these are cars that can lose in races, and it's okay if they do. if all you heard was praise about bimmers in every thread, then you would soon believe your car is something that it's not. if that was the case, then these forums would be exactly like srtforums.

let's dig up my whole post history.
http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/search.php?searchid=3532823

look through it. i'm not on here to bash bimmers. i just say what i think. i try to be as impartial as possible, but it doesn't always work. if you really know so much about my post history then you'll be able to back up your claim that i'm a troll who comes on these forums to bash on bimmers.

Sorry - no matches. Please try some different terms.


thank you for that. i became more familiar withe e30 318 in an earlier thread.

Cool.


i agree. the new m3 will be much better. i'm not some kind of advocate for the rs4 as i think it's heavy and overpriced, but i was reffering to the e46 in my post.

the whole point of my remark was about the e46 m3. i think everyone knows the new m3 will blow the rs4 out of the water...but if you didn't care then why even anticipate the new m3?

Of course I care about Bimmers, and thus about the new M3. I just don't mind that this M3 lost to a faster--and newer--car. It's really not surprising. But, I still conclude that the E46 M3 is superior in road-handling abilities... and dorifto! :D


so you speak for everyone? you're saying that my so called "bashing" is not allowed b/c i don't have a bimmer? would people be more receptive to this so called "bashing" if i had a bimmer? you make no sense.

i don't hate on bimmers. i just speak my mind. again, if you know so much about me, look through my post history and prove that i'm a bimmer bashing troll.

If you had a Bimmer, it would be a bit different, because you would most likely be demonstrating your fondness for Bimmers through your purchase of one. However, it is clear from your inventory of cars that you are not particularly a BMW fan, because if you so wanted, you could have gone out and purchased one. It's like if you're black and drop the N-bomb on another black person; (s)he is not very likely to mind nearly as much as if you were white. Does it make sense? I dunno. It's just how we humans think. You could be perfectly objective without having a Bimmer; it's just that we tend to associate someone who doesn't have something and then bashes it as someone who is malevolent and is attacking it to attack it. On the other hand, we consider someone who has something and attacks it as merely "criticizing" it, but who overall still likes and appreciates it.

no, you're right. i have no intention of leaving these forums b/c they were once, and still are, to a point, filled with intelligent conversations. of course every thread is not something worth publishing, but most aren't bad. that is why i stay. like you don't care about the m3 vd. rs4 debate, i really don't care that you have an issue with my so called "trolling".

take a breather and realize these are cars that can lose in races, and it's okay if they do. if all you heard was praise about bimmers in every thread, then you would soon believe your car is something that it's not. if that was the case, then these forums would be exactly like srtforums.

I acknowledged before that I understood you weren't going to leave just because I, an Internet nobody, tells you to. And that's perfectly fine. I was just voicing my opinion.

Your post actually helped me understand and appreciate more just what your purpose here is. I just want to establish and make sure that you're not here merely to bash Bimmers. Because few here would appreciate that. :nono

You both should gtfo

you're talking 4 vs 8...............like i said i can get a 10 or 20 year old engine and beat both cars;)

You will not get a 10 or 20 year old car in stock form within, exotics aside, to beat either of the cars that were on that show.

You both should gtfo

You're probably right. :D

You will not get a 10 or 20 year old car in stock form within, exotics aside, to beat either of the cars that were on that show.

who said about cars? i'm talking about engines not cars;)

great video thanks for sharing

who said about cars? i'm talking about engines not cars;)

just for curiosity's sake, I'll bite. what engine?

That was worth the 11 minutes. Nice Vid!

Still, would have really loved to see the CSL on the track race. with its lighter weight and bigger breaks and a few more hp. it would have been a much better race. Fact of the matter is that the audi has more power and AWD. what did you expect, audi is a great company with some good ideas just like BMW. However, i really don't see the new E92 M3 being any better. I am so afraid of seeing what it is going to look like and how it performs. I think I would rather just have an '06 M3 ZCP or even better if possible a CSL. thats it. Chris Bangle is a doosh bag that is turning BMW's into a line of Lexus IS300's. What happened to the beefy muscular lines that Screamed BMW!!!! I think the e46 M3 is the last true BMW. It is the last car to be produced without Chris Bangle's finals word and its the last one that looks like a BMW. Every other line from the 3's to the 5's and the 6's and 7's have changed but the M3 rides for one last year.


Meh..I think the Euro E36 M3 with the S50b32 was the last true BMW. I've driven a few E46 M3s. They're just not as tossable or raw enough. BMWs are becoming grand luxury boats.

you guys are just butt hurt. it's okay the bimmer lost. cars age and they lose their edge.

I don't see what's wrong with this post.
So the RS4 won. Am I the only one who wasn't surprised? :dunno
Yes the E46 lost its edge, it's 6 years old. Let's just hope the E90/92 brings it back. The M3 is one whole generation behind the RS4 and didn't lose by all that much.

who said about cars? i'm talking about engines not cars;)

just for curiosity's sake, I'll bite. what engine?

The magical engine that doesn't need to be in a car to win :rofl

I don't see what's wrong with this post.
So the RS4 won. Am I the only one who wasn't surprised?
Yes the E46 lost its edge, it's 6 years old. Let's just hope the E90/92 brings it back. The M3 is one whole generation behind the RS4 and didn't lose by all that much.
thank you

Great video, but they should have used the M5. They are both sedans, the M5 is only 55 lbs. more and the M5 has 500 hp. Also it is the new car from BMW.

Great video, but they should have used the M5. They are both sedans, the M5 is only 55 lbs. more and the M5 has 500 hp. Also it is the new car from BMW.
The new RS6 will try and compete with the new M5 (supposed 550+hp boosted V-10).

so what? ban me. you drive a 318. my lawn mower is closer to being a bimmer.

maybe you're complaining because i speak the truth? the bimmer design is old. it's ovbiously going to lose to the new audi. i'll even include the original quote:


if you weren't butt hurt, you wouldn't be bothering me with this crap. people don't like to see cars they like lose to competitors, but it happens.



Ill bet you 500 bucks the OLD like you call it BMW M3 CSL will destroy that rs4 around the ring....

nevermind what the next M3 will do to that thing

Ill bet you 500 bucks the OLD like you call it BMW M3 CSL will destroy that rs4 around the ring....

nevermind what the next M3 will do to that thing
i agree, but i was reffering to the m3 in the video not the much more expensive, lighter, more powerful, overall better csl. the audi only runs high 12's at around 108. clearly this is not much of a step forward. take its price into consideration and maybe then should compare it to a csl. are the ring times for the rs4 out yet? this could clear up some of these questions.

i agree, but i was reffering to the m3 in the video not the much more expensive, lighter, more powerful, overall better csl. the audi only runs high 12's at around 108. clearly this is not much of a step forward. take its price into consideration and maybe then should compare it to a csl. are the ring times for the rs4 out yet? this could clear up some of these questions.

the csl has about 20 more hp than the reg m3 and is not that much faster in the line than the reg m3.You can only take a corner so fast.

have you seen the price of the rs4? its like 30 grand more than the m3 and is def in the price range of a csl.

my point was you were shitting on the m3 like it was old and out dated...no shit a car with 100 hp more and awd will beat it in a straight line :rolleyes

go drive an m3 and you will see what the hell I'm talking about and stop shitting on an m3 like its out dated.

how many awards did BMW get for the e46 m3?

They even lost one for the m rear end because there computer crashed at the presentation....

You need to go beat one up and respect what the M3 can do around a track and maybe youll understand what an m3 is all about

just for curiosity's sake, I'll bite. what engine?

to name a few, corvette's
1965- c2's 425 hp
1991- B2K's 450 hp and 613 ft·lbf of torque (factory option)

put these babies on a super light cars like on 240Z or RX7 and your set to beat those cars on a straight line.;)

The magical engine that doesn't need to be in a car to win :rofl

doesn't have to be IN a car but it has to be ON a car;)

not much for a real competition, a completely new v8 vs a six year old inline 6. the stig is the only true test, and i'm sure we'll have an entirely new appreciation for his driving when the e90 m3 hits the track.

+1

That's what I've always noticed, top gear and others are always comparing the latest and greatest from everyone else against a several year old BMW. The technology in the M3 is over 6 years old, did Audi have the "killer" Rs4 that could beat the M3 in 2000? I think not. :) I want to see the e92 V8 M3 vs the Rs4. That would be fun... :D

the csl has about 20 more hp than the reg m3 and is not that much faster in the line than the reg m3.You can only take a corner so fast.

have you seen the price of the rs4? its like 30 grand more than the m3 and is def in the price range of a csl.

my point was you were shitting on the m3 like it was old and out dated...no shit a car with 100 hp more and awd will beat it in a straight line

go drive an m3 and you will see what the hell I'm talking about and stop shitting on an m3 like its out dated.

how many awards did BMW get for the e46 m3?

They even lost one for the m rear end because there computer crashed at the presentation....

You need to go beat one up and respect what the M3 can do around a track and maybe youll understand what an m3 is all about
first of all, i don't care that it only has 20 more hp. it's the weigh savings that help acceleration.

here's a couple videos to prove my point. this is of an slk55 amg and an m3 csl. the slk will beat a normal m3 in a drag, but take a look at what happens when it races the csl. clearly those 20hp and weight savings make a difference.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKyeCUKXudI&search=slk%20vs.%20m3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXYOI0UHIGk&mode=related&search=slk%20vs.%20m3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrdW5CooBIk&mode=related&search=slk%20vs.%20m3

i already said they should campare it to the csl, right here:
i agree, but i was reffering to the m3 in the video not the much more expensive, lighter, more powerful, overall better csl. the audi only runs high 12's at around 108. clearly this is not much of a step forward. take its price into consideration and maybe then should compare it to a csl. are the ring times for the rs4 out yet? this could clear up some of these questions.

the m3 is old and it'll soon be outdated. in terms of acceleration, have you considered the fact that a 550i will stay with if not beat an m3? it's not even an m model. think of it like the races with an e36 m3 and a 330i. there was a video on here. the 330 beat the m3 up top. why? becasue the e36 is outdated. cars evolve, and newer models WILL be better than old ones. it's a fact.

the car was released here in 2001. the competition has moved on. it's not a bad car by any means, but it's getting old (first released 5-6 years ago). if it wasn't becoming outdated bmw wouldn't be releasing a new m3.

have you driven an e46 m3? is that your car? i swear i see e36 in your info. my brother owns an e46 m3. i can give you some pics if you want. i drive it A LOT. up where i live we have this great little track called limerock, and he is part of a sports car club. i have driven it around a track, i have driven it balls out on the highway, and i even tried autox with it. i know how the car handles on and off a track.

I'M PRETTY SURE I UNDERSTAND WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT.

btw, it doesn't matter if it won awards. it won those awards when it was recent. when the e46 was the current model, and when the competition hadn't moved on.

anyway you look at it, the m3 is an AWESOME car. no doubt about that. for what it is it does its job very well. the problem is that trime doesn't stop in a world where the e46 m3 can remain king. the competition moves on. it doesn't matter if the competition will be better than the next m3 because, for the purpose of this thread, the rs4 is faster and debatably better around the corners. IT'S OKAY.

Those vidoes prove nothing.The m3 csl has been tested over and over by all the mags out there and is barely faster in the straight line.

Every where I looked its been clocked at 4.8 and 4.9 to 60mph...just as fast as the reg m3.

It has the same tourqe curve and barely 17bhp more up top.

That was my point when I said you can only take a corner so fast.The csl smokes the evo m3 on the ring and that car weighs pretty close to the new csl.

Heck if the technology is soooo out dated like you said then why is it that BMW is using the same inline 6 in its 3rd different car since it came out?

m3,M coupe,z4M and will continue to use this engine untill its out dated by somthing better by them.Does the new rs4 even have individual throttle bodies? see thats my point theres nothing on that car that makes people go aww wow I cant believe they did that....cough F1 m5 engine 7 speed F1 gear box cough....next m3 7 speed dsg haha I wish

your still stuck on the fact that we dont care how fast m3 goes in the line so I could give a shit if a 545 beats me.

just take a look at how much fun the driver had in the first vid and you can see that the m3 is doing exactly what its ment to do.

I have plenty of seat time in an e46 m3 and I don't want to open a huge debate on here on weather it handles better than an e36.....just do a search on that one.

put it this way the e46 is gone and I still have my e36 :evil2

My brother and cuz both have s4s and I have had plenty of seat time in them aswell.

I feel like there a 2 second delay in everthing from steering responce to braking in that car...I hope he dosnt read this but I think a reg 3 series would own it around a track.

just kidding bro

Hey how about they do the same thing IN THE DRY????
That might alter the outcome just a bit!
Leave the CSL in the garage, I bet that you would have seen different acceleration tests and track times from the M3 in the dry.:)
Still and fun vid. Tiff's the man.

my point was you were shitting on the m3 like it was old and out dated...no shit a car with 100 hp more and awd will beat it in a straight line :rolleyes



+1

this person does not own BMW, and he's a G35 owner, and G35 owners always think that G35 is better than Enzo and other cars are old and shitty, especially BMW.

I always find it amusing when someone whom doesn't own a BMW frequents these boards; thus I wonder why in the world they even signed up for these boards, when yet they do not own what is the sole basis for this forum.

But hey, to each his own?

the m3 is old and it'll soon be outdated. in terms of acceleration, have you considered the fact that a 550i will stay with if not beat an m3? it's not even an m model. think of it like the races with an e36 m3 and a 330i. there was a video on here. the 330 beat the m3 up top. why? becasue the e36 is outdated. cars evolve, and newer models WILL be better than old ones. it's a fact.



Why are you shitting on M3? e46 M3 has not been replaced yet, therefore how come you said it's old?

F40 is also outdated, but how come is it better than the new G35? or the new EVO? if F40 is outdated, can the new G35 beat it? :rolleyes

You will not get a 10 or 20 year old car in stock form within, exotics aside, to beat either of the cars that were on that show.

An AC Cobra was never considered to be an exotic. I will also pit the Ford RS200 against either car, and I guarantee it will whup some booty all over that track. There's a few more in the non-exotic arena, but this "I've got an 11-year-old car, etc., etc." excuse for a lot of Bimmer owners is getting...old.

Every Corvette that whups on you can say that they are running on decades old technology (what the parts are made of [aluminum alloys replacing iron/steel] might have changed, but an SBC pushrod V8 is still what it is).

I've never heard a 'Vette (or LS1) owner that got beat by even a supercharged Cobra use that excuse ever, even when their car IS old, as in a C4 'Vette.

Shows how freakin' image conscious some BMW owners are, and what reasons they bought the car for (hint: it wasn't for the "Ultimate Driving Experience").

It's an Ultimate Driving Experience

Once you go BMW, you will always be a Brand Elitist.

At least categorize the cars!Why would you compare ford's to bmw's,or two door sports cars to 4 door luxury sedans?Me personally have never compared the m3 to the vette cause I need back seats!

I always find it amusing when someone whom doesn't own a BMW frequents these boards; thus I wonder why in the world they even signed up for these boards, when yet they do not own what is the sole basis for this forum.

But hey, to each his own?
My past E36 328, E36 M3, E46 M3, E39 530 is why I'm here.

I decided to try my first Audi in 2005 because it's something very different, but mostly because the products BMW offered in 2005 didn't meet my needs or styling taste.
Count me as one life long BMW consumer who Mr. Bangle personally drove to the Audi dealership.


Most of all, this is one of the best boards out there!

If the E46 ZCP M3 stayed that close with the new RS4 I can't wait to see what the new M3 will do considering the E46 M3 was meant to compete with the B6 S4 not the new RS4. Even after that video I would still take the M3, looks way nicer and more fun to drive.

Why are you shitting on M3? e46 M3 has not been replaced yet, therefore how come you said it's old?

F40 is also outdated, but how come is it better than the new G35? or the new EVO? if F40 is outdated, can the new G35 beat it? :rolleyes

I quote you for the stupidity of this post.

PLEASE TELL ME YOU ARE KIDDING.

Are you completely oblivious to the difference of class and market segments in the world of cars as we know it?

He's saying that staying within the same class, new WILL replace and be better than old. If you argue that fact, you are arguing against actual progression.

No freakin kidding an F40 will remain better than newer cars for years to come. Do you realize what kind of car it is? Yet, you compare it to a G35!?

Would it be fair to say that a 2005 Corolla S should beat a 1995 M3 because of newer technology? No. Nowhere near the same class. But I do expect the 2005 Corolla to beat my Dad's 88 Corolla or my friend's comparable 1989 Civic.

The newer generation RS4 DID beat the soon to be replaced M3 and it SHOULD be that way. Because if it didn't, then wtf is supposed to happen?
Oh but of course, neither will beat a F40 so they're both worthless right?

hey go to finalgear.com and DL all of the topgear episodes off torrents. There are a lot of stuff to learn when you do.

label it right next time.
top gear is worth a look
5th gear is garbage

I quote you for the stupidity of this post.

PLEASE TELL ME YOU ARE KIDDING.

Are you completely oblivious to the difference of class and market segments in the world of cars as we know it?

He's saying that staying within the same class, new WILL replace and be better than old. If you argue that fact, you are arguing against actual progression.

No freakin kidding an F40 will remain better than newer cars for years to come. Do you realize what kind of car it is? Yet, you compare it to a G35!?

Would it be fair to say that a 2005 Corolla S should beat a 1995 M3 because of newer technology? No. Nowhere near the same class. But I do expect the 2005 Corolla to beat my Dad's 88 Corolla or my friend's comparable 1989 Civic.

The newer generation RS4 DID beat the soon to be replaced M3 and it SHOULD be that way. Because if it didn't, then wtf is supposed to happen?
Oh but of course, neither will beat a F40 so they're both worthless right?
duh .. I was kidding

who's going to compare an all-time legend F40 versus a piggy G35 anyway.

not much for a real competition, a completely new v8 vs a six year old inline 6. the stig is the only true test, and i'm sure we'll have an entirely new appreciation for his driving when the e90 m3 hits the track.

I don't know about the Stig anymore. He got the same time for a 350Z (wtf?) an RX-8 (understandable, slow but handles like a beast), and an E46 M3. Sounds a little weird to me.

You know what guys, I test drove the new rs4 and I loved it. It sounds mean and kicks like crazy between gears. If your more in snow states, I would get the audi. Personally, I like the M3....but to each his own

You know what guys, I test drove the new rs4 and I loved it. It sounds mean and kicks like crazy between gears. If your more in snow states, I would get the audi. Personally, I like the M3....but to each his own
RS4 is a great car, no-doubt about it, and I'd pick RS4 over e46 M3 (or CSL) anytime.

label it right next time.
top gear is worth a look
5th gear is garbage

shows you know a lot of stuff :rolleyes

all 5th Gear presenters are former/current racer car drivers except the fat guy.

all top gear presenters are entertainer and journalist except the stigg.

both shows have their ups and downs.

It took them a few years to catch-up! wait unti the next w=version of the M-3!

Nice vid
Too bad its the RS4 vs M3 ZCP not CSL (if it was, the competiton might have gone differently)
The RS4 no doubt won, but it does have about 110HP advantage and costs about $10-15k more....
The M3 even being underpowered when compared to the Audi still wasn't that far behind.
Just wait for the next M3 and they should do a rematch..

what's the diff homie?

(between CSL and ZCP?)

the ZCP is the US version of the CSL but isnt even close. the CSL is partially carbon fiber and comes with virtually no options. the CSL weighs a lot less and comes with a lot less but it is more expensive

zcp's not even close to CSL. it's just a package that gives you less luxury stuff with the addition of a beefier clutch and drilled rotors that's been used for Euro spec standard cars.

the CSL's pretty much stripped of all luxury items to save weight. you get crap load of real CF stuff i.e. front bumper, roof, rear bumper, trunk and the addition of thinner window glasses. PLUS the CSL has a different intake and fuel mapping etc etc.

The CSL's shaved tires would never make it through the wet track for the drifting

To those guys that say The M3 is "Fat" heavy.. i belive the Rs4 si "Fatter" heavier..so do the math what if the Rs4 got stripped.. then it will do a lap dance on your stripped m3.
some pretty f***up sarcasm am writting lol.

To those guys that say The M3 is "Fat" heavy.. i belive the Rs4 si "Fatter" heavier..so do the math what if the Rs4 got stripped.. then it will do a lap dance on your stripped m3.
some pretty f***up sarcasm am writting lol.
wtf r u talking bout?

To those guys that say The M3 is "Fat" heavy.. i belive the Rs4 si "Fatter" heavier..so do the math what if the Rs4 got stripped.. then it will do a lap dance on your stripped m3.
some pretty f***up sarcasm am writting lol.

..What?
So you're being sarcastic and you DON'T think the RS4 will do laps around the M3?

To those guys that say The M3 is "Fat" heavy.. i belive the Rs4 si "Fatter" heavier..so do the math what if the Rs4 got stripped.. then it will do a lap dance on your stripped m3.
some pretty f***up sarcasm am writting lol.

do you even know why the RS4 weights 3900lbs to the S4's already hafty 3660lb? do the math...the RS4 won't be able to shave more than whatever the interior seat is worth. I'm guessing 150-200lbs top. The CSL is 400lbs lighter than the normal M3.

do you even know why the RS4 weights 3900lbs to the S4's already hafty 3660lb? do the math...the RS4 won't be able to shave more than whatever the interior seat is worth. I'm guessing 150-200lbs top. The CSL is 400lbs lighter than the normal M3.
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A standard B6 S4 is not 3660lbs, reguardless of what AudiUSA says.
A typical S4 also tips in at +/- 3900 lbs. Scaled my car recently at 4120 lbs, with myself and 1/4 tank.

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A standard B6 S4 is not 3660lbs, reguardless of what AudiUSA says.
A typical S4 also tips in at +/- 3900 lbs. Scaled my car recently at 4120 lbs, with myself and 1/4 tank.

maybe the manufacturer weighted it without driver and gas...:D

anywayz, you get my point. it's not so easy to lighten up the S4 or RS4 since the complex quattro is pretty much what's weighting it down.