Well the e30 didn't have a good day today. I was heading to the dealership to pick up some parts and had just gotten off 75 at the East brainerd exit. I was sitting at the light waiting to turn left onto Hickory Valley When the Two Men and a truck moving truck in front of me started rolling backwards. I hit the horn, and released the brake to allow the car to roll. But he kept rolling, the Bar under the left gate ended up hitting the car above the bumper. The visible damage is the Hood, Passenger Fender, Both headlight grills, Kidney grill, Both high beams, Pasenger headlight wiper assembly, Valance, and some damage to the core support(hood won't open and I can see bent metal where the headlights mount). I've got an estimate from Action Ent. and they rang it up at $2400 in damage which only includes replacing the Euro headlights, grills etc... with U.S. spec parts(there computers don't have the Euro items). The driver of the truck called his manage and he came right over, and told me just to get an estimate and more then likely they'll just right me a check as the deductable on there insurance is high. The Police didn't hand out any tickets but made some coment about the excessive toe angles on my car(what does that have to do with an accident when I was sitting still:mad ). Oh well I'm going to call them in the morning and try to get $3000 as I'll more then likely have to get a rental car, and the estimate is low if the car is brought back to where it was before the accident(which it should be). Any ways here are a lot of pics..........
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Dude, that really sucks. Hope you can get the whole mess sorted out soon.

Wow that sucks!Hope you get it back on the road soon!:cool

weak bro...and WTF does the toe angle have to do w/ the accident??? You should have said FU just do your F'N JOB, you dirty MF!!! *end rant*

Ya, well the toe actualy isn't bad, he mistaked camber for toe, as I've got it set at -2.25 all the way around currently.

Sorry to hear that Ely! Time for a repaint!:) Pretty sure I would be in jail if that happened to me!:D

Josh K

Ya I'm having thoughts of getting the complete car resprayed, but probally a color change. I'll have to see how much $$ Money I get.

Oh man sorry to see that happen... just take that money and start a new engine project! Make sure to have it ready to do a dragon run :-)

Sorry to see it Ely. It always hurts to see a friend with a damaged Bimmer... Two men and a truck should have good coverage..Don't settle till you get at least what it will cost for repairs...

Time for some cool mods and some fixin up...:)

that sucks, looks like a beautiful car too

I think you should paint it Avus:)

Josh K

Thanks every one. Josh I was actualy thinking some shade of blue. Depending on what I get, I'm probally going to focus on the engine first(it's on it's last leg). And then see what I can do about the paint work, I may just throw Sealed beams and U.S. spec stuff back on it for the mean while, and try to find a hood and fender(both places I got estimates from thought they could be straightened back out so who knows).

Sorry to hear about your accident.

If you decide to do some body work, let me know I have a uni-spotter http://www.costplustools.com/store-products-Auto-Refinish-Stud-Welders-HSA4500-HS-Unispotter-Stud-Welding-Starter-Kit_39356.html
you can borrow to pull some of those dents.

John B.

DUDE THAT BLOWS. you should have got out and said you cant move your neck. i'm kidding, i hate people that do that.

Sorry to hear that, I was just at the dealer yesterday as well. I have to go back to pick up some parts, but I was trying to limit the amount I was on the roads in the rain. Hopefully I get my car pack from action by the end of the week so I can put on my exhaust and fix my shifter. Do you know what it would cost to replace with the euro parts?

Do you know what it would cost to replace with the euro parts?

What euro parts are you wanting to replace?

Josh K

Luckily this happened earlier in the day before the rain.
To Replace the Euro lights, Grills, etc(items damaged) would be $1400 more then double the cost to replace with the U.S. conterparts. I spent about $500 for the used parts to do the headlights, grills, wipers, etc...
I finally got ahold of Two Men this morning, told them the intial estimate and he told me to come in and the owner would take care of it. I'm going to throw in the extra cost of the Euro parts, and a rental care for 5 days while the car "gets fixed". So I think $3000 is fair, but we'll see what they say.

If that is the amount it takes to repair your car back to what it was before they hit it. Hold out for that amount.

You'll have this worked out in no time...

BTW, I know where you can get a good engine...:devillook

Damn dude, that sucks :(

If you dont get the $$ you need, you and I can go over and introduce ourselves as "two men and a baseball bat" :)

**When you repaint: Avus FTW :buttrock

i'd paint it calypsorot..... but you know.......thats just me. i''d paint my computer calypsorot if i could.... wait.. hey thats a good idea, i might do that :-D

Ya I'm realy thinking of changing the color to Avus, I've always liked the BMW blues. The engine rebuild is going to be my main priority. Then from there I'll strip the car myself, and likely do most of the prep then get the complete car resprayed. It may look like crap for a while during the process but ohwell.
Ya Josh $3000 is what it would take to repair to where it was before.

I like this Avus Blue Metalic though
http://www.behindmatrix.com/e30/fotost/f01045/05.jpg

i'm not sure whats hotter...

the fact that its an M3...

...or the color. but yah, thats a good color.

Ya I'm realy thinking of changing the color to Avus, I've always liked the BMW blues. The engine rebuild is going to be my main priority. Then from there I'll strip the car myself, and likely do most of the prep then get the complete car resprayed. It may look like crap for a while during the process but ohwell.
Ya Josh $3000 is what it would take to repair to where it was before.

I like this Avus Blue Metalic though
http://www.behindmatrix.com/e30/fotost/f01045/05.jpg


Damn. I would trade my car and your left nut for that Avus beauty! :eek:

You could do something outside the box, like Techno, Daytona, Dakar II, Topaz, etc. :)

You could do something outside the box, like Techno, Daytona, Dakar II, Topaz, etc. :)

Daytona would look stupid on an E30. :nono

Daytona would look stupid on an E30. :nono

Maybe...with gunmetal wheels it's my favorite M3 color.

Maybe...with gunmetal wheels it's my favorite M3 color.

It may look ok if you had, say.....OZ Mito wheels.....THEN it might be cool. :stickoutt

It may look ok if you had, say.....OZ Mito wheels.....THEN it might be cool.

Dont forget about black LTW flags:)

Yeah, The Avus would pretty much rule the butt on your car Ely. Dakar and the lighter colors just dont look right on E30's. A nice Lemans Blau would be nice too! Yummy!

http://img302.imageshack.us/img302/4985/lemansblue4mf.jpg

Josh K

I vote Le Mans blue.

LeMans is pretty damn hot! :buttrock

hum, so many choices :help

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v171/deathray187/325big.jpg
there you go, thats what color it needs to be.
:-D

I'm not a fan of the reds, Although that shade is probally my prefered if I had to choose a red.

What do you guys think about me putting m3 fenders on the front? I'd been thinking about doing so for a while and might as well if i get the car painted.

You need to go with the fenders all the way around if you do it...

Josh K

You need to go with the fenders all the way around if you do it...



Agreed, I do not think it would look right if you just did the front

i dont think it would look right if theres not an ///M motor in it.

i dont think it would look right if theres not an ///M motor in it.

I think he is thinking about it...

Ely, M fenders and front and rear bumpers would look great on your car. I think it would look even better withOUT the M rear spolier as well. I like the spoilers, but it looks HAWT without it. Makes the rear look alot more "Ass-y"? Bootylicious? Ass-tastic? Any of those words will do:)

Josh K

All the way around would cost way to much. I've got a Total BMW issue of a standard e30 that has just the front fenders and it actualy dosn't look that bad.
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I'm just running ideas threw my head at this point in time. Once I have a check in my hand, and figure exactly how much the new engine is going to cost then I'll know how much I have to throw towards paint and any body mods.

expensive? Nah man... its called fiberglass :-D i know someone thats reall good with it. not to mention i know how to use it myself.

I KNOW, we should come up with something original.........
...that may be harder then it sounds.

Fiberglass m3 fenders are actualy more expensive then the real deal units from the dealer:help The factory ones are about $380 for both at my cost.

I like these fenders....
http://www.bmpdesign.com/images/cars/rs_m50/rs_m50.jpg

(but I hate the front bumper)

ya but at $250 plus the added labor to make them fit I'd rather have proper fitting m3 fenders. I've done some more pricing of the engine rebuild and more then likely I'll just have enough for paint, and not any fancy body mods.

i dont think you heard me correctly...
i said, make them out of a fiberglass. its easy. all we need is an M3, something to make a mold with, and a shit load of wax paper, fiberglass resin, fiber glass hardener, fiberglass, and a sh*t ton of a sand paper.



take wax paper and cover one side of it, use plaster of paris to make a mold around it. and i think you can figure the rest out.

and of course for the front just buy the damn fenders.

I like these fenders....
http://www.bmpdesign.com/images/cars/rs_m50/rs_m50.jpg

(but I hate the front bumper)


those fenders might look good if they had actually taken the time to cover up the pop rivet holes.

Oh damn, sorry about that!

SHIT!!!!!!!!! Sounds like the car is going to be totaled out. Either way I'm keeping the car. Oh well guese it's time to start looking for another e30 maybe:mad :mad

SHIT!!!!!!!!! Sounds like the car is going to be totaled out. Either way I'm keeping the car. Oh well guese it's time to start looking for another e30 maybe:mad :mad


Sorry to hear Ely... At least you have LOTS of parts for another one...:buttrock

Sorry to hear Ely... At least you have LOTS of parts for another one...:buttrock


dooo what? dont settle for that.... thats ridiculous.

...unless there giving you like 5 grand or something.

Well, the car was considered totaled so they were only willing to give me blue book value of the car. I could of possibly fought it, but 75% of the mods I don't have receits etc.. for. Plus I realy didn't want to go threw the hassle of fighting them, and who knows how long that would take. So in the end we settled on me getting a check for $1500, the car, and the title is still nice and clear for the car. I only paid $1500 for the car a year ago(which i thought was to much for the condition it was in at that point in time) so in the end it's not that bad. I already have picked up a fender and bumper filler strip and just have to find a hood to throw the car back together. I've yanked the damaged parts and started straighting some of the metal on the core support that was damaged
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This spot here is the worse of the damage and will probally require some pulling with a slide hammer
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This bracket was smooshed but bent back easily
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I still can't decide if I'm going to paint just the damaged parts, repaint the whole car, drive it around 2 tone etc....:help

Ely you amaze me... It's so cool you can do all that yourself...

Good luck with everything and if I can help let me know...

Ya luckily I can or else I'd be screwed. Don't worry steve I'll have some questions here soon on how you prepped your car for paint.

Do what I did and drive the thing behind Wynn Dixie, sand, mask, and spray with flat black Krylon :D :D .

so you painted the car? I've got to see it in person :devillook

Do what I did and drive the thing behind Wynn Dixie, sand, mask, and spray with flat black Krylon :D :D .


i'm going to say one thing...

w.t.f. mate?

the hoods really not that bad looking, i'd just beat it out, throw some body filler on it, and get it prepped real nice. if you need some help i'm willing. I'm pretty good with body work, not the best, but i know what i'm doing.

I just got sick of looking at like 4 shades of royalblue Corey. Besides, I'd kick my own ass if I ever sold the thing, so it'll eventually be blue again.

well if at all possibly I'd like to have no filler on the car. I'm thinking of just driving the car 2 hours down to atlanta without a hood and throw one on at the junkyard.

Ely, I may need to make a run down to the North yard.. I have a few misc things to find yet..

Well let me know, I was thinking of passing threw atlanta saturday to pick up a new engine.

I have an engine you can buy...:devillook

ya I know, but I'd like to throw an I engine in. That one I sold you is very tempting, but I think I've got a line up on a 88k mile 325i engine for $500:buttrock

That would be tempting Ely... Your car would be fast as ???? with an "I" motor in it...

wait... what motor did you buy steve?

+1 on avoiding body filler... i need a bunch of stuff for my car, so if you find a dirt cheap set of shocks that arent totally destroyed while your down there, pick 'em up...
ok by dirt cheap i mean free, cause i cant afford anything right now.....

Steve purchased the eta engine out of my 86 parts car but didn't end up ussing it. Sorry Corey but the yard Steve is talking about rarely has any e36's the south one had an E34 the last time I was down there.

Let's get your car back together, and then (if you'll help me) I may build a stroker out of the spare motor.. Not too serious, but an I cam and some other misc parts...

Ely, seems like you told me you may have some diffs laying around that fit the E30?

I've got a 3.73 open diff, (want to know what accelerating like a bat out of hell feels like in an eta:devillook ) Right now that is all I have that is ussable, the 528e has a diff in it but I can't remeber the ratio, I think it was low like the stock eta diff.

I've got a 3.73 open diff, (want to know what accelerating like a bat out of hell feels like in an eta:devillook ) Right now that is all I have that is ussable, the 528e has a diff in it but I can't remeber the ratio, I think it was low like the stock eta diff.

OK, I'm going to have the rear subframe out soon for all new urethane bushings.. That would be an excellent time for a swap.. Let's talk....

Maybe I could borrow it until I find and LSD of similar gearing? :devillook:eek:

possibly, if I go for the I engine I may actualy need it, I'll probally just leave in the 3.25 till I find a limited slip 3.73 or 4.10 for it. If you want to borrow it that's no problem. I believe it needs a new cover gasket but that's it.

Your car would be fast as ???? with an "I" motor in it...

:rofl

josh k

:rofl I honestly can't decide what to do with the paint, I've thought of rattle canning the parts with a close match, or with matched paint, I've thought of buying stick on carbon fiber vinyl to cover the parts(don't ask:phatyo: ), driving the car around with a Delphin p-side fender and bumper filler and what ever color hood I find. I don't have the money to have the car painted by someone else, so what ever I do it has to be done on the cheap.

my friend brian has connections with kelly cadillacs paint booth, he paid 200 bucks plus paint to get his del sol painted, and they did a pretty nice job on it, considering the fact that the car is lime green and black.

EDIT: of course we did all the prep work

hum, I don't know if I could afford that either, school is going to be wanting some money come the first of august so I'm having to set aside part of the $1500 for school bills:mad

thats gay.... i never use car money for anything but my car... maybe thats why i'm so broke..
.... hmmm.....

Ely, is that 3.25 that you have a LSD?

yes, but it's been making weird noises when on the dragon. It only does it on very, very tight corners, and I never hear it driving around on the street. When it does it sounds like gravel inside the diff. I think it's probally the clutch packs slipping.

I've got that 3.73 lsd in my car, maybe we could do a straight swap? Oh and I need to adjust the valves again sometime this week, are you free tomorrow?

I think I'm free tommorow but not sure yet, just give me a call.

Well i started to sand down the fender and bumper filler strip today, as well as some spots on the rear end that had some surface rust. I'm hoping tommorow to spray the fender and bumper strip. I'm just rattle canning them for now, I found some white paint which is pretty dang close match.

Made some more progress, I got the P-side fender and bumper filler all sanded down, and just started spraying them. Also started spraying the spots on the rear end
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i've been outside doing my brakes.... i'll never buy another car from up north.... these bolts are so hard to get un-done, they're all rusted on and overtorqued.

make sure you wetsand those spots your painting if theres any orange peel.

Ya I'm going to go over the fender for sure with some 1500 wet, The spots on the rear are turning out pretty good.

Looking good Ely ! It won't be long until you can't tell it ever happened...

Well Paint turned out great, but dosn't F-ing match:mad May just be the fact that the rest of the paint is 21 years old. Oh well, I may buy a can of color matched paint but at $20 a can, and the fact that it took 2 cans to do the fender and bumper filler. I may just be better off stripping the car and taking it by Peach. Of course I don't even know if factory matched paint would even match, the old paint is more yellow then the stuff I sprayed the fender with.
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I still haven't put the clear on yet, so who knows......

Nice paint work! No match = FTL. I think you should just go ahead and get a really nice paint job done in Alpine. Alpine just looks so good on these cars.

Josh K

I don't realy like Alpine, if I had the money Josh believe Me I'd have the whole car repainted.

The weird thing is the paint is the same color I used to paint the front valance and filler strip a year ago, and they matched pretty good. They were smaller panels so maybe it was harder to notice the mismatch.
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just rattle the can the whole car :-D

I may just do that, It just takes so dang long. As it is I have to do the valance, bumper filler, p-fender, and hood. Might as well start on the rest.

why dont you come help me do my brakes :-P
Theres these two bolts i cant get off, there so annoying
its the two bolts that hold the mount for the caliper on. I cant get the rotor off till i get these taking off, and its driving me crazy, they are way over torqued.

Big Breaker bar, and a hammer.

Big Breaker bar, and a hammer.


i've tried that, i stepped up from a rubber mallet to a sledgehammer, still won't budge.
i broke one of my 16 mm sockets too... Bent it.

i just have to change my post count, that was too wierd.

hum, All I can say is keep pounding at it, maybe try some penetrating oil and heat.

how to loosen over torqued bolts...

1) Grab telephone
2) call friend on steroids
3) tell him to come help
4) give friend on steroids breaker bar
5) tell friend to break bolts loose
6) friend breaks bolts loose
7) finish up.

Well I stopped back by the autoparts place and found a more yellow white. It's a better match, not perfect but I think if I just have the rest of the car buffed out it will be ok(Josh?;) )

i'm almost done with my brakes, i've been taking my sweet precious time on them.... lol... i'm in no rush, cause i cant drive it till my parts come in. I'm gonna go ahead and do the fan delete too, anybody got a fan tool or am i gonna have to stick with making one?

I've got one, it's just a Bicycle Headset wrench.

I've got one, it's just a Bicycle Headset wrench.

:rofl ...You are your knowledge kill me!

I've got one, it's just a Bicycle Headset wrench.

for holding the pulley? will it work with m50? i might need to meet up with you and borrow that :confused

no not to hold the pulley, it's for removing the 32mm nut on the fanclutch. I ussualy just use a screwdriver to hold the pulley.

I had a 14 inch adjustable/crescent wrench to pull mine... Didn't have to hold the pulley...It must have been nearly loose..

yah i need something to hold the pulley, i tried the screwdriver thing thats not gonna work... my car is a PA car, so everything is rusted on tight.

+1 for the crescent wrench

E30 is back together, Paint still isnt a good match, but I don't care :mad
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Eventualy I may get the whole car repainted, but I'm hoping to get the car on the track soon, so it's far from a show car.

Looks good Ely, the important thing is you got it fixed.. I think I had more different colors on mine than you do tho...:rolleyes :eek:

looks good ely, my car is all torn apart :-P

like i said, you've gone thqat far, might as well rattle can the whole car, then go over it with some rattle can clear coat, wetsadning in between of course.

I may, the nice thing is so far it's only cost $60 to repair the car, of course I'm still trying to find euro lights and grills to throw back on. And I've still have the hood to do.

Wow, that was quick! Now get back to driving the hell out of it.

I've already started doing that CJ :alright I need to replace my p-side motor mount before I push the car to hard, it looks like it's about ready to shear in hald:help (I've already have some Urethane ones on order)

Looks good for what you said you spent on it so far. And who cars if the paint matchs when you are on the track. The odds are that everyone will get some other paint on their car at the track.

I am still working on my exhaust. I still have four bolts on my manifold, but I broke one off, and then the guys on here told me to just cut them off, so I cut one off. The rest came loose after 2 solid days of saking in liquid wrench. The thing that sucks is that my bolts were tack welded in place from the top

Looks good for what you said you spent on it so far. And who cars if the paint matchs when you are on the track. The odds are that everyone will get some other paint on their car at the track.

I am still working on my exhaust. I still have four bolts on my manifold, but I broke one off, and then the guys on here told me to just cut them off, so I cut one off. The rest came loose after 2 solid days of saking in liquid wrench. The thing that sucks is that my bolts were tack welded in place from the top



yup yup, those bolts suck.

well, I just got back from driving my car with the System U on it for the first time, and I love it. I sounds like pure sex. I rode up into the Ocoee which was not to bad since most of the busses were headed down. I saw all the Evo's that were up at the gap today driving back though cleveland. I can not wait to finish the little odds and ends and hit the mountains again

i'm almost done with my brakes, i've been taking my sweet precious time on them.... lol... i'm in no rush, cause i cant drive it till my parts come in. I'm gonna go ahead and do the fan delete too, anybody got a fan tool or am i gonna have to stick with making one?
I've got a fan tool. I've also got a set of wheels and brand new tires for sale. Sorry to jack your thread Ely.

I've got a fan tool. I've also got a set of wheels and brand new tires for sale. Sorry to jack your thread Ely.


i got the fan off, finally, used the screwdriver crescent wrench trick... :redspot

cant afford no wheels right now, got big bills to take care of.

Hey Ely, when I get back in town on the 11th, we should swap diffs.

If i have the new engine in, then maybe. I want to see how it does with the 3.25 first.

Which M20 did you wind up getting?

I'm actually contemplating selling or trading my 18s and getting something smaller, like 16s or 17s. Driving up 75 to Ohio on my current wheels with my suspension HURT. :(

I'm purchased back the eta engine from steve that came out of the white parts car. I'm putting an I cam, springs, some port work etc... And all new gaskets. I'm hoping for just a tad more power then an I but with more torque.

Ah, cool. So what's Steve gonna do for a motor in his e30?

well right now it's running an 87 m20 that came out of Steve H's car(the s50 beast)

well right now it's running an 87 m20 that came out of Steve H's car(the s50 beast)


Yep, and it's a great motor.. But it won't be long I will have to have a bit more.. Some kind of swap coming up..:devillook

how bout an m60 swap:shifty

to big, and to hard to find a manual tranny. I've had some fun moments working on my mom's 740. Changing out the fuel lines at the back left of the engine bay is no fun, there is only 1 inch of space to get a screwdriver and your hands into.

yea, what he said!:lol :help I don't know at this point what it may be....

Steve I say we take the engine out of your van, the boat, and heck throw the m20 in also, 3 engines ftw :buttrock :devillook

Hey, I could run on any surface then... And fast too !!!:):)

let's so do it first Amphibious e30:confused

i would rather make a crappy car amphibous....
TOO BIG? what.... come on now... muchos torque :redspot

I say we ditch gasoline motors and shove a jet engine into the thing. Fuel cost would probably be astronomical, but you'd get to wherever you need to be in like nothing flat. :buttrock .

jet propulsion wouldnt work so good in the corners :redspot

Yeah, good point.

If all else fails we could just "Flinstone" it. Hehe.

bicycle pedals and hand brakes
and.. oh yah... like a 30 speed gearbox