What is the purpose of glaze, how to apply it and when do I apply it? I was always under impression that it goes before wax. I applied it by hand, let it dry s little and buff it off. Can't really say that I noticed any difference. :confused

Thank you.

All companies offer different glazes, and some people even agrue what a glaze is... What type did you use, and what was the condition of your paint when you began?

A glaze is pretty much a filler do hide any marring in your paint before you seal it in with a wax. Glazes generally don't have any corrective properties but will do a good job of hiding the problems. They should be applied every couple of weeks before the wax.

waxes dont seal, sealants seal. and you cant put sealant on top of a glaze or a wax. glaze does go under your wax. it is basically a filler like he said...

basically you can use the glaze the to hide imperfections or a sealer to seal the surface after polishing. then you top one of those with a wax but you cant use both

I found a bottle of 3M Hand Glaze. The paint wasn't bad, some swirls, but it is some 16 yo (e30m3).

I just read that it is ok to apply sealant and than coat it with carnauba (autogeek.net). I always heard the opposite. Any comments on that? I will be working on black 2003 infinity and than switch back to our old bmws that we have in da family (including my white 5er below)

Any comments of 3M/Mother's/Meguira's sealants since they are available locally?

Thank you.

like i said, its ok to apply sealant and top with carnauba but you cant have a glaze anywhere in that situation. if you want a glaze, thne you cant use a sealant.

sealants protect the paint for up to six months or so but dont look that great. carnaubas dont last long, maybe 3 months with the best conditions, but look great.so seal it and top with carnauba( but the sealant has to cure first)

And what would be curing time? How should I apply it? The car is being stored in the garage now, not being driven. It will go verseas in a couple of months.

Thanks

Waxes do seal, just like a sealant...

Generally, the detailing community considers waxes to be mostly natural (though this is misleading, because even high grade carnuba waxes are in the 10 percent carnuba, 90 percent synethic range)... There are exceptions such as Meguiars' #16, Pinnacle Souveran, S100, ect.. but the really expenisve Zymol's (which I believe are in the 50 percent range, but are so hard that you have to apply them with hot towels or by hand).

Sealents are considered to be 100 percent synthetic..

You can apply some sealents over glaze (Meguiars #20 or #21, as well as NTX wax<which is really a sealent). I have heard that some sealents will not bond over a glaze such as Rejex or Zaino.. I know your not supposed to use Klasse AIO over a glaze, but I have, with good results. Though this is probably because of the cleaning agents in Klasse that removed the glaze.

As you can see there is much more to this question then can be anwsered in a thread, hell you could write a book about it. If you have a question whether a particual wax or sealent will bond over a glaze, you best bet is to contact the manufactor of the company and see what they say.

There are many different types of glazes' that can be used for many different uses.

Here is a link to a Corvette I did, in which I used a polishing compound, followed by a glaze, followed by 2 coats of sealent, followed by a carnuba. I pretty much ran the board, just to show it can be done...

http://meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=13400

what kind of Sealant did you use? How much did you charge for that Vette detail. One of the times I used to take my wedding band off was when I detailed a car. Way too easy to leave marks. Nice detail BTW.
One comment: sealants can be applied over glazes, but the durability MAY be suspect.

I cover my wedding band with blue tape, I never remove it....

Waxes do seal, just like a sealant...

Generally, the detailing community considers waxes to be mostly natural (though this is misleading, because even high grade carnuba waxes are in the 10 percent carnuba, 90 percent synethic range)... There are exceptions such as Meguiars' #16, Pinnacle Souveran, S100, ect.. but the really expenisve Zymol's (which I believe are in the 50 percent range, but are so hard that you have to apply them with hot towels or by hand).

Sealents are considered to be 100 percent synthetic..

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As you can see there is much more to this question then can be anwsered in a thread, hell you could write a book about it. If you have a question whether a particual wax or sealent will bond over a glaze, you best bet is to contact the manufactor of the company and see what they say.

There are many different types of glazes' that can be used for many different uses.
+1, glad you chimed in to set everyone straight.

Edit: to answer the question above, it is true that a wax can go over a sealant, but generally the opposite is not true; there are some exceptions to this rule, but for the most part I avoid putting sealants over waxes.


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After 10 long hours, I wheeled in the sun to see if infact, there where swirls (as the person I argued against orginally said there would be since they where inherent to dark paint).
Tropical were the swirls totally gone or you just couldn't see them in the pics? Do you think you removed them or just hid them with the two glazes?

BTW it looks great...nice job

I would probably guess about 90-95 percent gone, I did a test section, wiped with 50/50 Iso-water mix and checked with a dual xexon light, and there was no marring to be seen.

The real reason I added the number 7 is because it can make black (or dark colors) look SLIGHTLY deeper and glossier. Being that this was a brand new car, I really wanted the owner to see the results for what he was paying for. IMO, detailing a brand new car is harder then detailng a used car in rougher condition, because of the expectations of the owner (and rightfully so).

I forgot, thanks for the compliments:buttrock

you don't think Souveran of Zaino may have been more appropriate?

Why?

Because of all the detailing work I've seen, these two products produce the best result. Especially Souveran on Black. I'm not knocking your work, just curious if you have ever used either.

Different strokes for different folks, I guess... I have many friends who swear by Zaino, I personally have never been impressed. I'll just say that Zaino makes a lot of claims that they have failed to prove scientifically, even though they have had plenty of oppurtinity to do so.

Pinnacle ROCKS!!! I use it on my motorcycle, and I have alot of experince with it, and will not trade it for the world. However, I seen very little difference between Pinnicale and Megs' 26 on prepped paintwork. I'm a Meguiars guy at heart (for various reasons) though I also have products by 303, Raggtop, Poorboys, Mothers, Sonus, Zymol, and countless others (minus TurtleWax and Zaino). So yes I have plently of experince with various companies, and my motto is "find something you like and stick with it", wether it be Mothers, Meguiars, Zaino, ect...

We all have perferances, and as long as the final product looks great, your happy with it (or your customer for that matter, if you detail for other people) and it lasts, then use it!!!

I love Souveran too, but one huge advantage #26 has over it is longevity. You're lucky to get 2-4 weeks from Souveran whereas you'll easily get double or even triple that with #26. I only use Souveran on customer cars where I know I will be back to re-wax often.

^ Agreed, and I believe thats because Souveran has a much higher percentage of Carnuba vs. #26, which adds to the depth, but definetly lessenes the longetiviy. Thats why Souveran sits on my CBR which is driven on weekends and spends the week under a cover in my garage.

I'll just say that Zaino makes a lot of claims that they have failed to prove scientifically, even though they have had plenty of oppurtinity to do so.

Out of curiousity, does Meguiar's have scientific proof that their "trade secret" oils truly condition and/or moisturize paint?

I guess it has nothing to do with topic at all, since it wasn't mentioned (to my belief) but since you asked, I will post the question on Meguiarsonline and find out.

Out of curiousity, why do you care or what does it have to do with this thread?

Here is a thread that anwsers your question, but I personally wouldn't call it scientific. I would say there is proof, however...

http://meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=7058

Out of curiousity, why do you care or what does it have to do with this thread?

You brought up the topic of companies making claims and scientific proof.

Lets be honest, ZaneO, I saw your post on CorvetteForum.Com stating that you don't like Meguiars because of Mike Phillips. So basically you are looking for any reason to bash Meguiars, IMO.

While I agree that there is no proof that it conditions the paint, I have seen first hand the results that there glaze provides, though I put no faith in reconditioning the paint. This is completely different then Zaino, whos whole basis (the only thing they stand for) is that you infiantly layer there products, which is dubious, and most industy experts argee isn't the case. I have seen people with 8 coats of Zaino, and have not noticed a difference in the paint vs. somebody with a coat of there own protectent. That is what I have witnessed, and why I feel the way I do.

But I guess its just you being you...

Lets be honest, ZaneO, I saw your post on CorvetteForum.Com stating that you don't like Meguiars because of Mike Phillips. So basically you are looking for any reason to bash Meguiars, IMO.

But I guess its just you being you...

I have no problem being honest. You're right that I'm not very fond of Mike Phillips, but I use several Meguiar's products on a very regular basis. I like some of them very well.

You keep throwing out the "proof" card, so I asked a simple question. Sorry if that bothers you.

It's funny that you bad-mouth products you haven't even used, but I guess it's just you being you...

I don't remember bashing any products, just stating that there was no scientific proof to back Zaino's claims. I was specifically asked why I don't use Zaino, and I anwsered, thats all. I also stated that people should use a product that they like and stick with it. How this consitutes bashing is beyond me, but lets just agree to disagree and say that its just us being us.

Lets get this thread back on topic...

I don't remember bashing any products, just stating that there was no scientific proof to back Zaino's claims. I was specifically asked why I don't use Zaino, and I anwsered, thats all. I also stated that people should use a product that they like and stick with it. How this consitutes bashing is beyond me, but lets just agree to disagree and say that its just us being us.

Lets get this thread back on topic...
First of all, if you ever pick up the phone and call Sa Zaino and ask him about layering, HE WILL TELL YOU HIMSELF THAT ANYTHING BEYOND THREE LAYERS IS A WASTE!!! Don't hold what Zaino users in Corvette and F-Body forums do against Sal or his company. Nowehere on his site does he tell people to layer forever.

Next question, what type of Scientific proof would you like Zaino to produce?? The same kind that Meguiars fails to produce on a regular basis. Like their nonsense about feeding the paint?? (But we all know that you can't feed paint, right?? I hope so.)

Third, I agree with Zane. Some megs products are good, but some are awful, and Mr. Phillips is nowhere near my favourite person either.

I hope you feel better, lets try to keep the thread on topic...

If you wish to discuss this with me, you can send me an email at TropicalDetailing@yahoo.com and we can debate this all you would like. Lets not pollute the thread with off topic discussion (which I am just as guilty of doing).

I hope you feel better, lets try to keep the thread on topic...

If you wish to discuss this with me, you can send me an email at TropicalDetailing@yahoo.com and we can debate this all you would like. Lets not pollute the thread with off topic discussion (which I am just as guilty of doing).
Yes, I feel much better. And no thanks, I'm not going to email you. I'm going to take your non-reply as an admission that you can't back up some of the things you have said.

I'm sure thats how you take it, I take it as somebody who is trying to take the higher road and not turn this into a flame war. If you wanna debate, we can do it in private and act mature. As far as backing up what I said, I'll leave it at this. I said that there is no proof that Zaino can be layered, and since no proof exists, I don't understand what I am supposed to back up? LOL So how about glazes?

nevermind,

how much, in your experience, do you think a glaze applied under a sealant will decrease longevity of the sealant?

Thats a very good question, and one I am not qualified to anwser. As mentioned through out this post, I use about 90% or more Meguiars products, and they seem to have pretty good compatibility. I think its more of product compatibility more so then a hard rule.

If you have a specific combination in mind, I'm sure one of the guys on here (ZaneO probably) has experience using it and could give you a good tip. Also, try Autopia.org, as the people over there have tried every combo under the sun.

Thats a very good question, and one I am not qualified to anwser. As mentioned through out this post, I use about 90% or more Meguiars products, and they seem to have pretty good compatibility. I think its more of product compatibility more so then a hard rule.

If you have a specific combination in mind, I'm sure one of the guys on here (ZaneO probably) has experience using it and could give you a good tip. Also, try Autopia.org, as the people over there have tried every combo under the sun.

Since you use Meguiars a lot, let me ask you a few questions:

My car is white '87 bmw with swirls that aren't bad, I hope to get them out with Griot's garage machine polish 3 on a white pad (I have #2, but trully hope #3 will do it). What should I do after? I am thinking using NXT Generation wax paste. What would you recommend me to do after polishing? I am after depth, color richness/shine and protection (duh, everyone is I think).

Thank you!

Your opening up another can of worms by asking about NXT wax. It has its lovers and its haters, thats for sure. NTX will fill in minor swirls and give you an amazing depth and wetshine IMO, once that is very hard to beat in OTC waxes/sealents. NTX also features light cleaners that will help it bond over the surface.

The biggest knock on NXT (although I haven't really noticed, probably because I have only used it as a topper wax and mainly stick to Megs' professional line) is that a lot of users have complained about its durability. Apparently it looses its slickness and waterbeading character quickly. I really don't have alot of experince using NXT by itsef, so I cannot speak on that alone.

If you don't mind applying often however, I think that NXT does provide amazing depth and clearity. If you wanna add even a little more depth (thou with white, it may not be noticable) you could use DC2 (pure polish) after the Griots and before the NXT Wax.

I should also add, while NXT is a beautifying sealent (it will improve the apperance of your vehicle) most of you gloss, depth, ect.. is going to come from properly preparring the paint, which it sounds like your doing by polishing.

Thanks for the write up. I am curently reading about NXT spray on wax. I was thinking 2 layers of NXT paste with 12hs in between and spray on after every wash?

After every car wash you should be inspecting the finish. I would hope that you don't need to use the spray wax after every wash (which of course depends on how often you wash). When you notice a drop in apperance, protection, ect.. .you can use the NXT spray to boost the wax on the car. Of course, doing it after every wash won't hurt, either.

After every car wash you should be inspecting the finish. I would hope that you don't need to use the spray wax after every wash (which of course depends on how often you wash). When you notice a drop in apperance, protection, ect.. .you can use the NXT spray to boost the wax on the car. Of course, doing it after every wash won't hurt, either.

So quick detail after every wash? Or perhabs Final inspection glaze (Meguiar's)?

Thank you

So quick detail after every wash? Or perhabs Final inspection glaze (Meguiar's)?

Thank you
Final inspection is not a glaze. It's a qucik detailer, and a very good one at that. And I wouldn't necessarily QD after every wash either. The mechanical action of rubbing a towel against your paint will abrade your sealant layer and cause it to deteriorate faster.

I am not a fan of drying a car because it seems to introduce scratches/swirls. I used to use absorber. What should I do after washing once I have it all waxed and happy?

Thanks!

When you dry the car, use the sheeting method to rinse most of the water away. Then you can use a waffle weave microfiber to blot the remaining water off, if you are concerned about marring the finish.

When I said inspect, I just meant give your vehicle a once over and determine if you are still impressed with the finish. If not, you can use the spray booster wax to improve the appearance. Quick detailers are nice if your removing dust or bird droppings, but you have a much higher chance of marring the finish using one of those then wiping a clean surface dry with a microfiber, IMO.

Yeah, I try to make the water dry the car (sheeting as you call it). I do have a MF towels and I will use them, thanks.

So just a wax booster if the result looks dull? I wash my car once in 2/3 weeks depending on the weather. Just no easy access to facilities. Should I use spray wax every say month and a half to two?

Thanks! I appreciate your time and detailed explonations.

I badmouth products I havent used. Dawn is one of them.

Any input from you guys (ZaneO, David, Tropical) on how long a glaze will last on the paint? I know they are said to wash away rather quickly, but was wondering what you guys have found. (doesnt matter which glaze, be it RMG, Meguiars, etc, etc)

Glaze without a wax/sealent on top? A matter of days probably, maybe a wash or two if your lucky. You should always put a layer of sealent or wax over the glaze to lock it in, in which case it should last the duration of the sealent/wax.

can you put 3M Imperial Hand Glaze under SG, then top that with wax?

I beg to differ with regards to putting a sealant over a galze, especially if we are talking about a real sealant like Zaino. Sealants require a clean surface to bond to. Glazes will interfere with this process. Waxes OTOH are fine to put over glazes because they do not bond to paint.

so i guess its not a good idea to put 3M glaze under SG

so i guess its not a good idea to put 3M glaze under SG
No, very bad idea. Do not do it.

SG will not bond over a glaze, however some of the guys at Autopia have had success with certain sealants over a glaze. I believe 4* was one but don't quote me as I don't have personal experience with it.

can you put 3M Imperial Hand Glaze under SG, then top that with wax?
You could, however, apply SG, top that with the IHG, and then top that with a caranuba. (this should provide a similar look and protection to your suggested procedure while allowing everything to play nicely together.)

You could, however, apply SG, top that with the IHG, and then top that with a caranuba. (this should provide a similar look and protection to your suggested procedure while allowing everything to play nicely together.)

yea...that sounds pretty good!