i have a bunch of pix and a few vids from today.

the guys at AUTOFAB motorsports really did a excelent job on the exhaust on this car as well as letting me use their facilities to install my kit and lending me a LOT of helping hands to speed up the process thorugh out the weekend.

i must say this exhaust they built for me is awesome. sounds really good and is 3 inch form downpipe all the way to muffler. i couldnt be happier with the sound from it.

still have some minor bugs to work out like CLUTCH haha major slippage today like bad. so i will go easy on it for now until i get a new one soon.

all teh parts i had went together smother than i had expected.. except that damn turbo manifold. i mean what was bmw thinking 24 studs cmon lol. i dont thik i wil touch another one after wrenching this one on.

the base map i have is so far running pretty decent for now until i get tuned. no pinging.

im pretty excited to get a new clutch and get to the dyno and get this thing tuned.

ok so on to the pix. and vids

first here are the links to the Vids.

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v310/nextelbuddy/?action=view&current=000_0138.flv

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v310/nextelbuddy/?action=view&current=000_0139.flv

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v310/nextelbuddy/?action=view&current=000_0137.flv

and below are the pictures

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/nextelbuddy/000_0133.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/nextelbuddy/000_0134.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/nextelbuddy/000_0135.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/nextelbuddy/100_3288.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/nextelbuddy/100_3289.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/nextelbuddy/100_3290.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/nextelbuddy/100_3291.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/nextelbuddy/100_3292.jpg

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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/nextelbuddy/100_3294.jpg

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Nice pictures. Although, isn't the oil drain supposed to be downward sloping causing the oil to flow easier, I would be worried with it like that as it almost appears to have to travel upward in some pictures.

Nice pictures. Although, isn't the oil drain supposed to be downward sloping causing the oil to flow easier, I would be worried with it like that as it almost appears to have to travel upward in some pictures.


no its just fine.

i have seen much worse on here.

i drove the car many times today and there is NO smoke black, BLUE or white. its good.

Cool, man that third video I thought I was watching the Blairwitch project again.

Cool, man that third video I thought I was watching the Blairwitch project again.


haha ye when we watched it we all said the sam thing. i only wanted to show the first part. but i couldne edit the vid since it was in quick time format.

Exhaust sounds great! How do you like the tec 3?

Looks great! Autofab knows what they are doing. By any chance could I get a ride out of you? ;)

lots of silicone elbows, great job though.

david

Exhaust sounds great! How do you like the tec 3?
well it took me a few days to get used to the interface and again im still no pro but i like it a lot. im only runnign off a base map and its not perfect but its good enough for now unti i get tuned. very conservative timing in all areas.


Looks great! Autofab knows what they are doing. By any chance could I get a ride out of you?

sure let me get all the bugs worked out so it it actually pulls and feels like a turbo M3 should. but i wil be at the autofab meet the 21st :)

lots of silicone elbows, great job though.

david


yes sir. i dont beleive it wil present a problem and really helpd in a few areas as you can see.

those silicone elbows are 4 ply layers extremely thick lol they are not going to burst under boost.

yeah they will help alot in fabricating all your piping, i just dont believe in them....

david

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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/nextelbuddy/100_3294.jpg

oh and you copied my exhaust except i have single outlet ;)

Looks great! Autofab knows what they are doing. By any chance could I get a ride out of you? ;)

AutoFab FTW... im biased though sorry guys :(

CosmoE36, you have a gorgeous car.

yeah ... almost threw up watching the third video haha

awesome job man, glad to see its finally up and running... what are your impressions with ur setup?

CosmoE36, you have a gorgeous car.
Thank you


yeah ... almost threw up watching the third video haha

awesome job man, glad to see its finally up and running... what are your impressions with ur setup?

well even on a base map in upper RPMS this things screams. down low are where the issues are and good tuning should fix that.

if i had a good clutch i could pull it harder but its already sliped bad twice today.. no more for me until i get a better clutch

very cool:) what kind of muffler did you go with?

Few odd things about your install, but it looks great overall. Why did you vent the wastegate to the air vs exhaust?

i had my drain like that on my integra when i first installed my turbo, i can promise you that you might not see smoke now, but that turbo will be toast in less than 2000 miles, everytime you turn off the car the oil is going to sit in that line and coat it day after day, everything looks great but would you really want it all to go to shit cuz of a bad drain.

Congrats man. Glad to see your car up and running.

Funny isn't it? I was boosting, then my headgasket got destroyed, and now your up and running. The head is off again, and damn, that HG was toast. Bottom end looks good though, so I'm lucky.

I'm decking my head tomorrow using a 50RA finish. Should seal up real nicely this time.

-Rich

WOW ! Nice pics, what are the specs on the setup and motor?

i had my drain like that on my integra when i first installed my turbo, i can promise you that you might not see smoke now, but that turbo will be toast in less than 2000 miles, everytime you turn off the car the oil is going to sit in that line and coat it day after day, everything looks great but would you really want it all to go to shit cuz of a bad drain.

x2

At first I thought mine was fine too, but the oil definitely sits in the line and possibly the oil return on the turbo. I took pictures and a video when I changed the oil return to a clear line for testing. When the engine is off, when it's at idle and at low rpms it is definitely backed up. I have a tiny restrictor as well.

When the car's off:
156869

At idle:
156870

Around 4500rpms:
156871

Looking good cosmos.:cool

lol on the 3rd video.... i wish i could hear it a lil better.... but ur set up it sick as hell...... how much are u pushing to the crank.....

x2

At first I thought mine was fine too, but the oil definitely sits in the line and possibly the oil return on the turbo. I took pictures and a video when I changed the oil return to a clear line for testing. When the engine is off, when it's at idle and at low rpms it is definitely backed up. I have a tiny restrictor as well.

When the car's off:


At idle:


Around 4500rpms:


So did you leave the oil drain like that, or come up with another solution?

x2

At first I thought mine was fine too, but the oil definitely sits in the line and possibly the oil return on the turbo. I took pictures and a video when I changed the oil return to a clear line for testing. When the engine is off, when it's at idle and at low rpms it is definitely backed up. I have a tiny restrictor as well.



well yes your right about the drain. unfortunately with these oil pans no matter how high you tap the pan the oil level will always be higher than the drain spot.

i knoew this sat when i went to mount the turbo and removed my CAP fro my drain fitting on the pan and oil came out even from that high on the pan.

and even with your drain in those pix you have a steep angle and still even with motor running oil stays in the line.

and a whole lot of other people on here are runnin their line the same way so i guess they are going to have the same problems too then unles they start running external sumps.

Few odd things about your install, but it looks great overall. Why did you vent the wastegate to the air vs exhaust?


thanx. because i like venting the WG to atmosphere. it sounds good and thats the way i like it.

what other ODD things do you see?

those silicone elbows are 4 ply layers extremely thick lol they are not going to burst under boost.

Where did you buy all those elbows at?

Congrats on the project man. It looks like everything turned out great. :buttrock

very nice man. you car sounds sick.:buttrock

Where did you buy all those elbows at?

Congrats on the project man. It looks like everything turned out great. :buttrock

www.boostcontroller.com in NY they have all kinds of hard to find silicone parts as well as SAMCO silicone parts as well

very nice man. you car sounds sick.:buttrock

i agree :)

^^^:rofl2 :laugh :laugh :rofl2

you know if that turbo similar or the same to the SC61 with the TO4S compressor housing?

^^^:rofl2 :laugh :laugh :rofl2

you know if that turbo similar or the same to the SC61 with the TO4S compressor housing?


well the 60-1 is OLD technology. the SC61 is not the newest but certainly more advanced than the 60-1. Precision makes very good housings and they make great power and quickly too depending on the motor size and what trim and ar you go with. if i could have gone with a SC61 for the price i got the 60-1 then i would have chosen it instead. one thing to keep in mind though Precision likes to Overrate their turbos SC61 they rate at 650 hp i beleive and even with a big motor and a .82 ar and T04 S housing i dont beleive it will not by itself at least.

So did you leave the oil drain like that, or come up with another solution?

Currently it's like that, but I'm waiting on a new manifold from TSI which is supposed to mount the turbo higher. I also drained some oil out so it sits at the min. mark now.

well yes your right about the drain. unfortunately with these oil pans no matter how high you tap the pan the oil level will always be higher than the drain spot.

i knoew this sat when i went to mount the turbo and removed my CAP fro my drain fitting on the pan and oil came out even from that high on the pan.

and even with your drain in those pix you have a steep angle and still even with motor running oil stays in the line.

and a whole lot of other people on here are runnin their line the same way so i guess they are going to have the same problems too then unles they start running external sumps.

I agree, what does TT and AA do with their oil drains? There has to be a remedy for this.

Cosmos, can I get some closeup pictures of how you went from the oil filter housing to feed the oil for the turbo?

Cosmos, can I get some closeup pictures of how you went from the oil filter housing to feed the oil for the turbo?

haha riight. thats kinda hard. i can get a pic of the oil distribution block off the oil filter housing but i can not get a pic where it meets the turbo.. theres no room under ther for a camer to fit.

just picture this.

oil filter houinsg has stock oil pressure sensor. i have a fitting that has 2 ports on it ONE 1/8 npt and ONE M14x1.5 for the stock pressure sensor

that fitting is threaded where the stock oil pressure sensor was and stock pressure sensor threaded into that fitting and one 3an SS line coming off it as well.

that 3an SS line goes to a 3 WAY TEE on my firewall that 3 way TEE has one port filed with a Autometer oil pressure sending unit, ONE port connected to the SS line from the oil housing, and ONE port with a SS 3an line going to the turbo..


space is so tight down in there its hard to get pictures

just picture this.

oil filter houinsg has stock oil pressure sensor. i have a fitting that has 2 ports on it ONE 1/8 npt and ONE M14x1.5 for the stock pressure sensor

that fitting is threaded where the stock oil pressure sensor was and stock pressure sensor threaded into that fitting and one 3an SS line coming off it as well.

that 3an SS line goes to a 3 WAY TEE my firewall that 3 way TEE has one port filed with a Autometer oil pressure sending unit, ONE port connected to the SS line from the oil housing, and ONE port with a SS 3an line going to the turbo..

Alright I'm understanding what your saying. That is like the same setup I had on my RMS Supercharger to oil the blower. I thought that turbo e36s have a drain from the oil filter housing itself. But yours is a couple inches behind the housing towards the back of the car and a little lower right? Then it goes down to the inlet of the turbo.

Alright I'm understanding what your saying. That is like the same setup I had on my RMS Supercharger to oil the blower. I thought that turbo e36s have a drain from the oil filter housing itself. But yours is a couple inches behind the housing towards the back of the car and a little lower right? Then it goes down to the inlet of the turbo.


most peopel run a SS line from the oil filter housing to the turbo..

i run a 3ft SS line from the filter housing to a T fitting on my firewall and another 3 ft SS line from that T fitting on the firewall to the turbo

most peopel run a SS line from the oil filter housing to the turbo..

i run a 3ft SS line from the filter housing to a T fitting on my firewall and another 3 ft SS line from that T fitting on the firewall to the turbo

Yeah thats what I was saying. It's not exactly from the filter housing right. And by housing I mean where you install the filter when you do an oil change. It's from the oil pressure sensor, right?

Yeah thats what I was saying. It's not exactly from the filter housing right. And by housing I mean where you install the filter when you do an oil change. It's from the oil pressure sensor, right?

correct

car sounds sick, cant wait to see when you get it dialed in and get some good numbers.

thanx. because i like venting the WG to atmosphere. it sounds good and thats the way i like it.

what other ODD things do you see?Mostly just the oil return thing. And all the silicone parts, but its okay, they *are* a fine method, I am just partial to welds. Personal thing. I like what you've done tho, great work :)

Mostly just the oil return thing. And all the silicone parts, but its okay, they *are* a fine method, I am just partial to welds. Personal thing. I like what you've done tho, great work :)


i hear ya.

the oil return thing is kind of unavoidable unless i choose to run a external sump same for everyone else since there is alway oil in the pan no matter how high you tap the pan.

How's the car?

How's the car?


well the car runs decent IN boost but has a idle surge... thats with the BIN file i got from VIC

i thought that was from not having a IAC (i plugged up the stocker)

but then i loaded up the BIN file called VIC1 you sent me and the car idles perfect and pulls a nice 19 vac but when you drive IN boost car runs like crap and dumps fuel.


so i looked at My BIN and your BIN you sent me and looked at the Ignition tables as well as the VE tables as well as the UAP and POT values in the wizard and tries matching MY Ignition and VE table values into your BIN and keeping your UAP and POT values and still same thing..

so i know i dont have a idle problem from not having a IAC its somethign in the settings because your BIN idles my car perfectly and pulls nice 19 vac

where as mine surges and only puills 15 vac at most. i dont know whats going on here but ill figure something out.

i made a post on EFI 101 but not really getting any hits on there.

Interesting, my car runs pretty good in boost, but at the same time, I don't feel comfortable running WOT on a basetune until I have someone professionally dyno tune it (vic) Let me read up the vic1 basemap i sent ya and give some recommendations, I may have sent you a older tune then what I have been fudging with. From my datalogs though doing some boosted highway passes, my AFRs were around 12 which is good.

-Rich

Okay,

Reading Vic1.bin I believe thats an older tune since the last time I modified it was 5/23 and IIRC correctly, the car didn't like running in boost, and was actually a little lean.

Try running the binfile called "93 Pump gas 45lb 5-14-06 715pm.bin"
its title may sound like its older, but I believe its the newest one, and the one I'm running on my car.

Cold start may suck, so get on the gas a little bit on cold, and after it warms a little the car should be good.

-Rich