I went to this car GTG that we have every sunday, were hanging out alittle bit, friend with like 00'? Camaro SS asked me to run him, he's got headers, exhaust and I think intake.

We line up on light, turns green both got on it, I launched pretty good with very little wheel spin and by the top 4th gear I was already 4-5 cars ahead of him, hear sirens right away I exit from the BLVRD and run safely, :D .

I get back to the GTG from back roads and this viper pulls up, I think it was late 90's with RT10 badges on it, looked beautiful, black on chrome wheels I mean real clean and I jokely said to my friend I would have fair run with him since they run 12's? We joked about it alittle bit and as I'm about to leave, he leaves also, we pull at light, and asks me if I wanted to run, I was like sure, I'd give it a shot, what I have to lose, lol, light turns green we both gun it, slip the clutch beautiful launch again, 1st gear I'm already ahead of him, 2nd I pull slightly, 3rd I'm already car ahead of him, and by the 130MPH I was good 2 cars ahead of him, I was still pushing until I saw him shut it down as droping back, I got so excited, I couldn't believe it, my gf in a car couldn't even believe either, I was saying did I just beat viper, lol. I shut down and bring it down to speed limit, he pulls up, with angry face wants to run again, I give him thumbs up but he was begging for another run so we start slowing down before the light hoping it would turn red but it's pretty long light so we come to dead stop anyways, we see cars pulling behind us beeping, I turn my head to him, and guns it, I drop the clutch all frustrated, and start spinning whole 1st, 2nd, started to fish tale, and by the time I correct it, he has already 3 cars ahead of me so I just let off which was no point to run again with traffic ahead of us, and I just drove home little dissapointed on 2nd run but he just ripped, and I was going nowhere spinning, but hell first run we both got it perfect as I didn't hear him say anything mishifting or anything when he asked me to run again.

Sorry for long post but damn, I'm going to get some good sleep tonight and can't wait to get up in morning and drive frankenstein to work, :).

95'M3
S54/6SMT, 3:91LSD, Catback, Intake, Koni SA, H&R Race, 18LB sparco seats, and everything behind front seats gutted, except some tools, washing/cleaning goodies.

:drink1

nice e36!

Wow sounds like a sick car! do you have any pics I have the same susp setup its real low but not too harsh at all. That guy in the Viper must have been so confused when you started pulling.

what kind of power are you putting down? those are impressive kills for a na m3.
I cant imagine that the guy in the viper new how to drive. Those cars weigh 3300 lbs and have 450 horsepower and 490 ft lbs of torque. Even with the car gutted, a NA s52 with 350hp (never heard of one) would still get pulled on pretty hard.
My car is pretty damn fast for Na and even though i have never lined up with a viper i would expect to get raped.
EDIT: oops... i thought you said s52 definitly possible with the 54

Nice runs!

S54 FTW:buttrock

A Viper :confused

I know right, Viper? I still can't believe it wish I had camera or something to record it with, nobody believes it could be that fast, even my friend with camaro, he didn't tell me that but my other friend told me he was confused as we both have NA, but he's got bigger motor, bolts on and how the hell I was pulling on him with NA 3.2L.

I posted awhile ago about me running against Cobra SVT like 2002, and he showed up last night also, started talking to him, and he admited that first he thought he would get me without spray but on second run he decided to spray and that's when Cobra started to pull on me after 100mph if I remember correctly.

When I was running Viper, I had passenger, and full tank of gas which is close to extra 250LB weight, I wasn't really in my drag weight, lol.

So did the cops get the Camaro driver?

...you beat a viper w/those mods??? when do you top out? a 3.91 is money for acceleration, but exactly how fast were u going @ the top of fourth. there is a chance, albeit a small one, that you out accelerated him, but he should have started to haul you in after maybe 80 or 100.

weird dude, very weird

so your running deep into the 12's in the quarter w/ a NA E36 M3????

so your running deep into the 12's in the quarter w/ a NA E36 M3????

S54 + weight reduction.

I believe that's the fastest NA #e36 alive.

Definitely a beasty from the production line that Engine is.:evil2

The old gen Vipers run low 12's - high 11's, but the thing to note is their trap speed ... which is in excess of 120+mph.

You could've held him off in 1st, but after that, he should've blew by like you were standing. Even if you car can do high 11's, the trap speed says it all ... after 1st, he has a +18-20mph difference on, that's a RIDICULOUS acceleration difference.

I can't imagine why you were pulling him in 2nd and 3rd ... the guy was probably an amateur shifting at 4G and feathering the clutch/gears.

Vipers are insanely fast for a production car.

Nice runs and the Camaro is definitely worthy of a kill ... I just can't understand the Viper. The guy must've definitely been an amateur in the car.

Quote:
Originally Posted by gti1689
...you beat a viper w/those mods??? when do you top out? a 3.91 is money for acceleration, but exactly how fast were u going @ the top of fourth. there is a chance, albeit a small one, that you out accelerated him, but he should have started to haul you in after maybe 80 or 100.

weird dude, very weird


Yes, car is very light compare to original weight, have alot of weight reduction, still have carpet and door panels ofcourse but rear seats, spare, jack, OE tools, sound deadning, all the trunk plastic pieces, OE Amp, trunk carpeting, a/c complete out, aluminum control arms, airbags out, which I can't operate after swap, lightweight dinan/fikse wheels, 18lb sparco front bucket seats, light exhaust system, I mean alot more little things that add up to big weight in final. BTW, I top at around 185MPH, I did 160MPH with no problem and it was still pulling strong with no signs of hitting brick wall, I just didn't pull it anymore because I had passenger.

Car is definately capable of running low 12's to high 11's, I ran 12.9 spinning whole 1st, 2nd, and pulling horrible 2.2s 60ft on street tires, I tried to do everything to get out of hole good but I just couldn't do it on the track.

Camaro SS didn't get caught or anything, when I heard sirens, I just dissapeared, when I was going back to GTG from back roads to stay out of sight from police, my friend with SS was already there and by the time I got there he had gone, so I guess police wasn't really after us and it was something else that they were after.

I know they are fast cars but by stats first gen vipers run 12.9s, this thing viper was bone stock just really clean and well taken cared.

It has alot to with drivers skills, you can run enzo and beat it with stock e36 M3 if Enzo driver doesn't know how to drive but still it's fast car, and will eventually catch up but I was already in 5th by 130MPH and he was still behind me, the guy who was driving was Russian in middle 30s.

185 mph with a 3.91 rear end?

:confused

uh huh.

:bs

I know they are fast cars but by stats first gen vipers run 12.9s, this thing viper was bone stock .

Please tell me where you're getting your stats from?

The guy you ran probably would take the Viper to a 12.9, that's a joke.

The old gen Vipers are easily in the low 12's/high 11's. I have witnessed a 11.8 with an early 90's Viper, not to mention the trap of 120mph.


You're lucky you raced a guy who couldn't drive for his life.

185 mph with a 3.91 rear end?

:confused

uh huh.

:bs

Research before you call it a BS.

Diffsonline.com +Technical Information
245/40/17 3:91LSD rear 7900RPMS.

No wonder I was killing that viper according to this stats,
http://www.car-stats.com/stats/search/choosemodel.aspx

No wonder I was killing that viper according to this stats,
http://www.car-stats.com/stats/search/choosemodel.aspx


:lol

Ok, a Viper running 13.2's ... :lol

Please tell me where you're getting your stats from?

The guy you ran probably would take the Viper to a 12.9, that's a joke.

The old gen Vipers are easily in the low 12's/high 11's. I have witnessed a 11.8 with an early 90's Viper, not to mention the trap of 120mph.


You're lucky you raced a guy who couldn't drive for his life.

Don't hate, please, you should feel good about NA 3.2L E36 M3 giving challenge to viper.

Don't hate, please, you should feel good about NA 3.2L E36 M3 giving challenge to viper.

I'm not hating, man, honestly. I used to own an NA 95 M3 ...

I'm just being real. A viper would utterly demolish ANY NA M3 ... it doesn't matter what motor, mods etc.

A Viper may spin badly from a 1st gear roll, but after traction, he'll blow by you HARD. I have driven quite a few Vipers and a good friend's dad owns a '93 RT/10. I raced him once with the M5 and he left me so hard from a 60mph punch it wasn't even funny ...

You raced an amateur racer and won, so, congrats. I'm just being real so when you do run into a guy that knows what he's doing with the car, be prepared to be wiped.

You car's acceleration is probably right next to me ... which isn't slow, but it IS NOT Viper acceleration.

Research before you call it a BS.

Diffsonline.com +Technical Information
245/40/17 3:91LSD rear 7900RPMS.

No wonder I was killing that viper according to this stats,
http://www.car-stats.com/stats/search/choosemodel.aspx

Ok 185 is possible, i stand corrected.

If you ever hit 185, i will give you a cookie.

:lol

Ok, a Viper running 13.2's ... :lol

I don't know man, I don't have time to research stats, if you got time and post like early/middle/late 90's RT10 Viper 1/4 mile stats, I would really appreciate it, my lunch is up, I'll post back later, thanks.

Ok 185 is possible, i stand corrected.

If you ever hit 185, i will give you a cookie.

lol, I'll give you my address where to ship it, if I ever do.

:D

Pish, you did good. Congrats! :-D

I agree....Ive been in a 96 GTS and an 01 RT/10...and ive driven the 96 GTS, and I know that thing could easily walk on my 03 E46 M3, I just dont think its possible with an average to good driver for him not to walk away from an E36 M3 in a Viper...

I agree....Ive been in a 96 GTS and an 01 RT/10...and ive driven the 96 GTS, and I know that thing could easily walk on my 03 E46 M3, I just dont think its possible with an average to good driver for him not to walk away from an E36 M3 in a Viper...
Well, a E36 M3 with an S54 transplant with the mods he lists is going to easily walk your 03 E46 M3.

S54 m3 sick.

Well, a E36 M3 with an S54 transplant with the mods he lists is going to easily walk your 03 E46 M3.
+1

+1


Jesus that looks sick.

Leave it like that. :devillook

According to Edmunds, the 1992 Viper R/T had 400HP, 450lbs-ft, and weighed 3476lbs.

http://www.edmunds.com/used/1992/dodge/viper/8105/specs.html

The 96 got some upgrades in the engine department, 415/488 and 3445 weight.

http://www.edmunds.com/used/1996/dodge/viper/12173/specs.html

I think the last of the old body Vipers got 450HP at some point. But the early ones were definitely not as potent. Does anybody know what gearing they had? I wouldn't be surprised if it were fit for intergalactic cruising...

So with his gutted E36 body probably weighing in under 3000lbs, S54 maybe outputting some 350HP, better gearing etc... it's not too far-fetched that he may have beat a stock 92-95 Viper R/T up to around 130mph.

I think I remember those early Vipers were fast for the day, but I'm not sure they'd beat a current generation Vette... I could be wrong of course.

And this is the street, anything can happen. If you catch the other guy a little unprepared, you can murder him...

adc

Damn, congrats! I love your car, wish I could do the S54 conversion to mine :D

I know right, Viper? I still can't believe it wish I had camera or something to record it with, nobody believes it could be that fast, even my friend with camaro, he didn't tell me that but my other friend told me he was confused as we both have NA, but he's got bigger motor, bolts on and how the hell I was pulling on him with NA 3.2L.

I posted awhile ago about me running against Cobra SVT like 2002, and he showed up last night also, started talking to him, and he admited that first he thought he would get me without spray but on second run he decided to spray and that's when Cobra started to pull on me after 100mph if I remember correctly.

When I was running Viper, I had passenger, and full tank of gas which is close to extra 250LB weight, I wasn't really in my drag weight, lol.

No such thing as a 2002 Cobra.

Also, If you are trapping at 110 mph, that's great, but you are NOWHERE near a Viper. Just be happy you are a good driver, and that the Viper driver didn't know he could hit the gas pedal. Regardless, you have a very fast car, quite a sleeper, but at 110 mph traps I can't imagine how you think you would be competition for a Viper, which traps a good 10-12 mph higher, and would leave you so hard you wouldn't think you were even accelerating.

i 2nd


185 mph with a 3.91 rear end?

:confused

uh huh.

:bs

i 2nd
perhaps you didn't notice the link he posted to the online gearing calculator showing that his setup will do 185 @7900rpms?

According to Edmunds, the 1992 Viper R/T had 400HP, 450lbs-ft, and weighed 3476lbs.

http://www.edmunds.com/used/1992/dodge/viper/8105/specs.html

The 96 got some upgrades in the engine department, 415/488 and 3445 weight.

http://www.edmunds.com/used/1996/dodge/viper/12173/specs.html

I think the last of the old body Vipers got 450HP at some point. But the early ones were definitely not as potent. Does anybody know what gearing they had? I wouldn't be surprised if it were fit for intergalactic cruising...

So with his gutted E36 body probably weighing in under 3000lbs, S54 maybe outputting some 350HP, better gearing etc... it's not too far-fetched that he may have beat a stock 92-95 Viper R/T up to around 130mph.

I think I remember those early Vipers were fast for the day, but I'm not sure they'd beat a current generation Vette... I could be wrong of course.

And this is the street, anything can happen. If you catch the other guy a little unprepared, you can murder him...

adc

Thanks for some specs, my frankenstein definately weights under 2800lbs, I can push it around with one hand around the parking lot and I'm no heavy weight.

Thanks for the comments, I agree miljan3's M3 looks sick, I need to open my rear fenders to be able to put some wide sticky tires to sling shoot out of the line, lol.

Camaro SS are seriously threats also but with weight, power, and gearing I'm putting out, has no problem taking them from the line and top end with good 4-5 car lenghts up to 120MPH and this thing pulls to 160MPH pretty quick without needing long stretch roads!

Thanks for some specs, my frankenstein definately weights under 2800lbs, I can push it around with one hand around the parking lot and I'm no heavy weight.

Thanks for the comments, I agree miljan3's M3 looks sick, I need to open my rear fenders to be able to put some wide sticky tires to sling shoot out of the line, lol.

Camaro SS are seriously threats also but with weight, power, and gearing I'm putting out, has no problem taking them from the line and top end with good 4-5 car lenghts up to 120MPH and this thing pulls to 160MPH pretty quick without needing long stretch roads!
Are you running on a factory ECU, or a standalone?

No such thing as a 2002 Cobra.

Also, If you are trapping at 110 mph, that's great, but you are NOWHERE near a Viper. Just be happy you are a good driver, and that the Viper driver didn't know he could hit the gas pedal. Regardless, you have a very fast car, quite a sleeper, but at 110 mph traps I can't imagine how you think you would be competition for a Viper, which traps a good 10-12 mph higher, and would leave you so hard you wouldn't think you were even accelerating.

Well, I meant the year body style Cobra SVT Conv. like kind of camelon color, and I stand corrected, I thought they made it only for 2 years supercharged out of factory that body style from 02-04?

I don't know too much about Vipers but fact of the matter is, according to 1/4, 0-60MPH, the are not that fast cars especially when I see it trapping less MPH than I am, and this Viper was older Generationg, it was t-tops RT/10.

Nice kill!! You truly have a beastly E36.

The older Vipers are fun to race with a cheaper car. I beat a '90s Viper in my Mustang before. Best feeling on earth. :D


BTW: Mustang was a '65
<2600 Lbs with me inside
289ci bored .30 over
Aluminum Edelbrock heads 2.02 and 1.60 valves
Racing Cam/springs/hydro lifters
Moly liftrods
High rise intake
Holley 600cfm carb
10:1 compression pistons
Full MSD everything
JBA shorty headers
True dual 3" with hooker mufflers
3.70 Ford 9" Posi rear
4spd Top Loader
Centerforce dual friction clutch
Shelby Springs
Bilstein shocks
4 wheel drum brakes!

Are you running on a factory ECU, or a standalone?

I'm running stock ECU with both Vanos running, computer doesn't see speed signal so that is the reason why I went all the way up to 160MPH without governing.

:drink1

I'm running stock ECU with both Vanos running, computer doesn't see speed signal so that is the reason why I went all the way up to 160MPH without governing.

:drink1wow....now I gotta find your thread....if I can run a stock ECU, maybe I could do this swap and stay legal afterall..... :evil2 :devillook

Thanks for some specs, my frankenstein definately weights under 2800lbs, I can push it around with one hand around the parking lot and I'm no heavy weight.

Thanks for the comments, I agree miljan3's M3 looks sick, I need to open my rear fenders to be able to put some wide sticky tires to sling shoot out of the line, lol.

Camaro SS are seriously threats also but with weight, power, and gearing I'm putting out, has no problem taking them from the line and top end with good 4-5 car lenghts up to 120MPH and this thing pulls to 160MPH pretty quick without needing long stretch roads!

I can push my almost 4k pound jeep with 33" tires around a parking lot, so whats your point?

Not many cars can hit 185, I have serious doubts yours could.

The LS series SBC engine SCREEM on the highway, and with the T56 tranny are geared perfect for the power.
and with headers, exhaust the LS1 car would be close to your time slip.

I 3rd the BS meter.

Nice kill!! You truly have a beastly E36.

The older Vipers are fun to race with a cheaper car. I beat a '90s Viper in my Mustang before. Best feeling on earth. :D

lol, I know man, it's best feeling especially when they pull up and everybody is staring at it, just look of Viper scares you away, and next thing you know when you both get on it, you start pulling away from it, like what the hell?

I'm not saying I'm viper killer with my frankenstein but I definately beat up last night.

:buttrock

I can push my almost 4k pound jeep with 33" tires around a parking lot, so whats your point?

Not many cars can hit 185, I have serious doubts yours could.

The LS series SBC engine SCREEM on the highway, and with the T56 tranny are geared perfect for the power.
and with headers, exhaust the LS1 car would be close to your time slip.

I 3rd the BS meter.

It's a big point, car is light, have alot of weight reduction, weight makes as you probably know huge difference in performance, braking, handling, acceleration, and of course gas mileage, lol. My car has good power to weight ratio. I never said I could do 185MPH, I said my gearing is set up to do 185MPH, and I even replied, if I ever do, I'll give you my address to ship me some cookies.

Nice kill dude. I believe it for sure. My friend got his ass handed to him against an 02 smg M3 in a highspeed race (80 to 140mph roughly) in his '94 Viper RT

Talking about rich people that can't drive, My dad was coming home from work when he lined up with a C6. I just drooled and looked over at the lucky guy driving such a nice domestic (though it wasn't the godly Z06, and if you haven't noticed, I'm gay for the new Corvettes) anyways...My dad in his RX-8 turned off DSC and floored it, now this guy in the Corvette waits a couple second as the little 1.3 screams hopelessly then he floors it. He is gaining like we are standing still but then I hear a horrible over-rev and his tires lock up. We both had our (WTF?) faces on and he comes up beside us at the next light. Turns out it's his dad's C6 and he said "I can't drive for shit.. :( ). It was more of a laffo moment than anything, but you never know if these people are just using high-powered cars as an extension of their ego (read:penis) and they have no idea how to drive them. That said, I felt like punching the bastard in the face for driving like a crackhead.

first gen vipers (92-95) have 400 hp...and second gen vipers (96-02) have 450hp...if it was a first gen rt/10, then a kill would be very believable IMHO...they run high 12s with a good driver...but a second gen would have won no problem...go ahead, anyone argue with me about vipers, i know more about that car than my e38, im seriously obsessed with vipers

very nice kill!, esp with the s54 in an E36, damn!!!! haha good work!!!

I have seen this car in person at a meet down around bucks county. It is absolutely sick. I completely believe the outcome. I can't believe all of the people who don't learn how to read threads though. It is a stripped E36 M3 with an S54 and a six speed w/3.91. His gearing is capable of hitting 185mph. That doesn't mean aerodynamics will allow him to though. Here is a pic i took a month or two ago of the car.
http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/1811/picture0584uy.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[QUOTE=Luke]I have seen this car in person at a meet down around bucks county. It is absolutely sick. I completely believe the outcome. I can't believe all of the people who don't learn how to read threads though. It is a stripped E36 M3 with an S54 and a six speed w/3.91. His gearing is capable of hitting 185mph. That doesn't mean aerodynamics will allow him to though. Here is a pic i took a month or two ago of the car.

Exactly Great Kill, and i think this was a real kill. SOme people just cant get that this isnt a US s50 motor in the car. ITs a Flippen s54 motor in an almost fully gutted e36 with a 3.91lsd 6 speed tranny. Someone said something about having a s50 with all the n/a mods you can throw at it and saying it wouldnt be able to do what this was able to do. NO Sh*t, your motor maybe made 245-250rwhp. This Motor stock makes around what i have seen on dyno sheets any where from high 270srwhp to 285ish rwhp. With the gearing and wt of the car its not a big surprise.

Quite a race. Good for you. I'm with Armo on this one though... If that guy had been a better, or even decent driver, he would have worked you pretty badly.

Thanks for the comments, you have to really feel the difference of E36 Chasis with S54/6SMT/3.91LSD, it's very quick out of the line or up top, I have beaten mid 90s CBRR 1000 with smaller sprockets from 20MPH to 140MPH with about car lenght, and the guy who I ran is my co-worker and he's been riding, racing, since he was little kid now he's in late 30's, so definatly no bad rider skills there.

Like I said my frankenstein is not insanly fast ofcourse but it definately keeps up with high output HP cars, I even trap more ET than some FI S50/S52 with over 350WHP even though sometimes I wish I would have gone FI with my S50 to play around with some serious cars but I chose this way because it's plenty of power for daily driving, and the drivetrain except diff. was already meant for the power it's making from the factory, plus it's lighter which means less stress on drivetrain.

Luke, I loved your car man, beautiful even though it was little dirty at the GTG like my engine bay, lol. How come you didn't show up at the BrankoFest?

Thanks for the comments, you have to really feel the difference of E36 Chasis with S54/6SMT/3.91LSD, it's very quick out of the line or up top, I have beaten mid 90s CBRR 1000 with smaller sprockets from 20MPH to 140MPH with about car lenght, and the guy who I ran is my co-worker and he's been riding, racing, since he was little kid now he's in late 30's, so definatly no bad rider skills there.
Like I said my frankenstein is not insanly fast ofcourse but it definately keeps up with high output HP cars, I even trap more ET than some FI S50/S52 with over 350WHP even though sometimes I wish I would have gone FI with my S50 to play around with some serious cars but I chose this way because it's plenty of power for daily driving, and the drivetrain except diff. was already meant for the power it's making from the factory, plus it's lighter which means less stress on drivetrain.

Luke, I loved your car man, beautiful even though it was little dirty at the GTG like my engine bay, lol. How come you didn't show up at the BrankoFest?

I'm sorry, but there is NO way in hell you are beating a liter bike. Is your best time to date, with all your goodies, the 12.9 run at 110 mph? If that truly is what you are running, then you are out of your mind thinking you are capable of running with a 1000cc bike. When you are trapping high 130s then maybe you can start to play with them, but please, at a 110 mph trap, you are out of your mind.

Correct me if I'm wrong, because that's what your sig says. It's a general rule of thumb that around 550rwhp+ is needed to compete with a properly driven 600 cc bike. To mess with a 1000cc bike, you better be making 850rwhp and up. So, unless your car is turbocharged on top of everything else, it's just not gonna happen.

I'm sorry, but there is NO way in hell you are beating a liter bike. Is your best time to date, with all your goodies, the 12.9 run at 110 mph? If that truly is what you are running, then you are out of your mind thinking you are capable of running with a 1000cc bike. When you are trapping high 130s then maybe you can start to play with them, but please, at a 110 mph trap, you are out of your mind.

Correct me if I'm wrong, because that's what your sig says. It's a general rule of thumb that around 550rwhp+ is needed to compete with a properly driven 600 cc bike. To mess with a 1000cc bike, you better be making 850rwhp and up. So, unless your car is turbocharged on top of everything else, it's just not gonna happen.

I ran 12.9 spinning whole 1st/2nd with horrible 2.2 60ft. Mid 1000CCs bikes are nothing compare to late 1000CCs.

This days I think Suzuki 600s trap over 130MPH, I know that but all this is coming from my experience, I really don't have anything to BS about.

I ran 12.9 spinning whole 1st/2nd with horrible 2.2 60ft. Mid 1000CCs bikes are nothing compare to late 1000CCs.

This days I think Suzuki 600s trap over 130MPH, I know that but all this is coming from my experience, I really don't have anything to BS about.

The fact that you were spinning 1st and 2nd gear actually raises your trap speed, but lowers your E.T. Trap speed is the better indicator of what your car is capable of. A 110 mph trap should set you dead even with e39 m5s. It is not plausible to think an e39 m5 could beat a Viper. Furthermore, it's ridiculous to think it could run with, and beat, a 1000cc bike.

Your car is fast, but it is nowhere near the performance you are saying it is. Are you insinuating you can beat e60 m5s too? Because they would be a better race for the Viper. The e60 m5 wont be anywhere near a liter bike, either.

The fact that you were spinning 1st and 2nd gear actually raises your trap speed, but lowers your E.T. Trap speed is the better indicator of what your car is capable of. A 110 mph trap should set you dead even with e39 m5s. It is not plausible to think an e39 m5 could beat a Viper. Furthermore, it's ridiculous to think it could run with, and beat, a 1000cc bike.

Your car is fast, but it is nowhere near the performance you are saying it is. Are you insinuating you can beat e60 m5s too? Because they would be a better race for the Viper. The e60 m5 wont be anywhere near a liter bike, either.

Preach that sh*t brother!!1

I tell ya what, FORGET the Viper and liter class bikes for a minute (thats almost too funny about the bikes), if you aren't trapping but 110 mph, tire spinning or otherwise (which does help trap speed, see quoted post), Id strait call BS on the SS as well. I was trapping 109 mph in my Fbody before I installed the headers, true duals and nitrous. After that, full bolt ons, that 1/8 mi trap of 87.xx would be good for 112-113 mph in the 1/4 mi no problem, and thats MORE than enough to walk on a 110 mph trapping car.

Im not calling bs on this or nothing, but Im with Armo and hwl, you must have raced some dudes who can't drive their way out of a wet paper sack.

Here is quick search I found from some Viper freak, stock with 450HP runs 12.2 at 118MPH which is 7MPH more than I trap, if I hook up good, even with him 118MPH trap speed, I should have no problem hanging with it, I mean, I'm going by stats here, forget what happend last night, lol.

Here is another great article about first gen Vipers running same identical times with same trap speed as I did spinning 1st and 2nd, with 2.2s 60ft.
http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051205/FREE/51204012&Profile=0

Here is quick search I found from some Viper freak, stock with 450HP runs 12.2 at 118MPH which is 7MPH more than I trap, if I hook up good, even with him 118MPH trap speed, I should have no problem hanging with it, I mean, I'm going by stats here, forget what happend last night, lol.

Here is another great article about first gen Vipers running same identical times with same trap speed as I did spinning 1st and 2nd, with 2.2s 60ft.
http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051205/FREE/51204012&Profile=0

You still think that you can hang with a car that traps 7+ mph faster than you? That is equivalent to saying an e36 325i can "hang" with an e36 m3. That goes to show that you know NOTHING of which you are talking about.

whoa!!! s54 in an e36 m3!? that's sick! just curious, but how much did you pay for all that? again sick ride and i now believe you can hit 185mph.

Preach that sh*t brother!!1

I tell ya what, FORGET the Viper and liter class bikes for a minute (thats almost too funny about the bikes), if you aren't trapping but 110 mph, tire spinning or otherwise (which does help trap speed, see quoted post), Id strait call BS on the SS as well. I was trapping 109 mph in my Fbody before I installed the headers, true duals and nitrous. After that, full bolt ons, that 1/8 mi trap of 87.xx would be good for 112-113 mph in the 1/4 mi no problem, and thats MORE than enough to walk on a 110 mph trapping car.

Im not calling bs on this or nothing, but Im with Armo and hwl, you must have raced some dudes who can't drive their way out of a wet paper sack.

You know what man, people were there, and witnessed it with there own eyes, you have obviously no clue how E36 S54 feels like, don't make me look like I'm bragging it either because I honestly don't, like I said, I'm laying everything down with my personal experience, even if I video record it, there is endless bs to call it the way you would want it, everybody has there own opinions and experience.

You still think that you can hang with a car that traps 7+ mph faster than you? That is equivalent to saying an e36 325i can "hang" with an e36 m3. That goes to show that you know NOTHING of which you are talking about.

Alright man, I think in my language and when I translate in English it comes out different. If little driver error 7MPH would not make easy to catch up, just like when I ran 2nd time, I start spinning like hell 1st and 2nd, fishtaling and by the time I corrected and hit 3rd, he was already good 3 cars ahead of which I knew there was no chance of following him, why because we had close race from 1st race up to 130MPH.

You know what man, people were there, and witnessed it with there own eyes, you have obviously no clue how E36 S54 feels like, don't make me look like I'm bragging it either because I honestly don't, like I said, I'm laying everything down with my personal experience, even if I video record it, there is endless bs to call it the way you would want it, everybody has there own opinions and experience.

YOU TRAP AT 110 MPH! You are even with an e39 m5, I can imagine how awesome it feels. BUT that doesn't mean it can BEAT liter bikes (it's beyond comprehension how you think it's possible in a car that traps 110 mph). Just because you have an s54 in an e36 doesn't mean it is automatically faster than cars that are substantially faster.

It is quite an awesome swap you have, but you are way over your head. Frankly, you have gotten lucky, racing people who are incompetant of how to drive-similar to how you think your 12.9 @ 110 mph car is automatically capable of hanging with bikes that trap 140+mph.

I'll give another personal example, I was running 13.7 at 103MPH with my bolt on S50 with same 2.1 60ft, after swaping S54 with 6 speed and stock 3:15rear, I was trapping 107MPH but my E.T best was 13.9 with same 2.1 60ft best, so what I meant by 7MPH difference was this, even though I was trapping 4MPH more than I was with my old S50, I was hitting slower E.Ts almost by .2s, so that's why I said 7MPH is not that much of difference, of course it is but I just don't have enough English to explain it better, I don't want to makes this excuse but it's true.

Dude, don't mind the haters - the street is NOT the track. There are 1000 different variables that can affect the outcome of a street race, and its plausible you beat the viper. If people don't believe you, thats their problem - at the end of the day, what matter is that you're happy, and you know what your car can do. It sounds like you've got both of those nailed down.

Lets give this guy the benefit of the doubt. Do the math on a 333hp motor in a 2700 - 2800 pound car with a 3.91 gear, that's a good pwr/weight ratio. Now let's lets take it to a real race track with turns where BMW's belong and really spank those straight line drag race cars..:)

Crap, that is the nicest car I've heard of for quite some time!!!

Good kill.

Given the many factors (such as sub-2800lbs weight), I find this to be believable.

I want to be like Kavkazia! Very nice kill!

Thanks, :drink1.

You can see seriously how some are hating, I posted the times and stats what they suppost to run, etc. but they forget about the Viper, now they're trying to catch me on words I say to call it a BS, messed up.

The more I think about it, the more it seems feasible. The very first vipers were only 400bhp. The 96 and on...especially the 96 GTS were grossly underrated. My buddy Mike (KrogerBMW) had their GTS and 01 RT/10 dynoed and the GTS put like 410 or 415 down at the wheels with like 460 torque, and it had more then the newer RT/10....Those are the only Vipers I have been in.

Well, a E36 M3 with an S54 transplant with the mods he lists is going to easily walk your 03 E46 M3.

Yep he raped me.

Thanks, :drink1.

You can see seriously how some are hating, I posted the times and stats what they suppost to run, etc. but they forget about the Viper, now they're trying to catch me on words I say to call it a BS, messed up.

Well, I am not going to argue the Viper anymore, what I am arguing is that you think you are on par with liter bikes.

I'm not hating on your car, as it is incredible, and I can imagine how suprising it is, but you're about 500rwhp away from being able to compete with liter bikes.

You have a car that traps 110 mph, I'll even give it to you that you could hit 112 mph on a great day. Even with that trap speed, you are simply nowhere near a 600cc or 1000cc bike.

Hating on you would not be explaining how your car is nowhere near a liter bike like you say it is. That would be common sense. It doesn't take anything away from your car, it's just laughable to think you can run with a 1000cc bike.

Well, I am not going to argue the Viper anymore, what I am arguing is that you think you are on par with liter bikes.

I'm not hating on your car, as it is incredible, and I can imagine how suprising it is, but you're about 500rwhp away from being able to compete with liter bikes.

You have a car that traps 110 mph, I'll even give it to you that you could hit 112 mph on a great day. Even with that trap speed, you are simply nowhere near a 600cc or 1000cc bike.

Hating on you would not be explaining how your car is nowhere near a liter bike like you say it is. That would be common sense. It doesn't take anything away from your car, it's just laughable to think you can run with a 1000cc bike.
Well, when you consider a '93 929 Honda is about as fast as my buddy's '02 GSX-R600, I'd say its possible if the litre bike is older. Motorcycles have come a very long way in the last 10 years.

Well, when you consider a '93 929 Honda is about as fast as my buddy's '02 GSX-R600, I'd say its possible if the litre bike is older. Motorcycles have come a very long way in the last 10 years.

EVEN IF the old liter bikes are as fast as a 600cc bike, a 112 mph trap is NOWHERE near the traps of 600cc bikes. In general, one needs around 500rwhp and up to even compete with a 600cc bike. The poster is about 225rwhp away from being able to run with a 600cc bike. Not to mention the 25 mph deficit in trap speeds his car has under a bike.

Again, it's taking nothing away from the car, as it takes a HELL of a car to run with a bike. 112 mph traps and 280+rwhp isn't going to cut it. It shouldn't even be a dispute. There are turbocharged e36 m3's that aren't near bike territory. Would you think an e39 m5 is able to run with a 600 cc bike? No, so why would this car, with virtually the exact same trap speed as an e39 m5, be able to do it?

EVEN IF the old liter bikes are as fast as a 600cc bike, a 112 mph trap is NOWHERE near the traps of 600cc bikes. In general, one needs around 500rwhp and up to even compete with a 600cc bike. The poster is about 225rwhp away from being able to run with a 600cc bike. Not to mention the 25 mph deficit in trap speeds his car has under a bike.

Again, it's taking nothing away from the car, as it takes a HELL of a car to run with a bike. 112 mph traps and 280+rwhp isn't going to cut it. It shouldn't even be a dispute. There are turbocharged e36 m3's that aren't near bike territory. Would you think an e39 m5 is able to run with a 600 cc bike? No, so why would this car, with virtually the exact same trap speed as an e39 m5, be able to do it?

I'm not saying his car can run with all 1000s, or all 600s. Rather, maybe there is one bike out there, (or one rider) who wasn't a match for the car. Now, if he lined up on the track in a 1/4 bike vs. car, that would help end the debate. I'm not disagreeing with any of your points - a 112mph trap certainly isn't fast enough to go picking on anything bigger than a modern 500.

You know what man, people were there, and witnessed it with there own eyes, you have obviously no clue how E36 S54 feels like, don't make me look like I'm bragging it either because I honestly don't, like I said, I'm laying everything down with my personal experience, even if I video record it, there is endless bs to call it the way you would want it, everybody has there own opinions and experience.

Look I specifically said Im not calling bs on you, Ive seen waaaaayyy weirder shit happen street racing than what you have recounted in the original post. All Im saying is that, on the overall average, with decent drivers in all vehicles, the races you had would not have come out they way they did. Ive beaten many many cars I "shouldn't" have beaten, and its a great feeling. But bottom line, I knew I beat a driver, not a car. Not trying to piss in your corn flakes here or anything, and you have a helluva nice hybrid swap car there, damn respectable for a daily driver. Trust me, I know what its like daily driving a 12 sec car (miss it every day too :( )

I will be honest with you though, you have a few things to learn:

a) the relationship of acceleration and traction as it relates to trap speeds and elapsed times.

b) how HUGE a difference 7 mph trap speed is. 7 mph trap speed, from a roll on race, say from 60-120 mph, is EASILY a 4-5 car pull, EASILY.

Now let's lets take it to a real race track with turns where BMW's belong and really spank those straight line drag race cars..:)

Yeah, those live axle, no-swaybar-having, Lakewood-90/10-strut-equipped, strait line only Vipers....Im sure he would crush one of those on a road course. :rolleyes

If all you want to talk about is what a BMW will do in turns, then don't race the damn thing strait line and then make excuses.

Yeah, those live axle, no-swaybar-having, Lakewood-90/10-strut-equipped, strait line only Vipers....Im sure he would crush one of those on a road course. :rolleyes

If all you want to talk about is what a BMW will do in turns, then don't race the damn thing strait line and then make excuses.
Some people on this forum refuse to acknowledge that BMWs are not God's gift to corners....while they handle well, there are cars out there that handle better....
*this is not to say a 1st gen viper is one of those cars*

Nice run! I dont see why everyone else sees this as so unbelievable. The two cars are neck and neck on their power to weight ratios which should make it a drivers race.
M3 say 2780lbs/333 hp = 8.34 lb/hp
Viper 3280lbs/400 hp = 8.2 lb/hp
Throw in the 3.91 rear end which should help off the line and that should be a good race. I think you guys might be thinking about the second gen Vipers. They were a low 12, high 11 car. The prior was at least a half second slower in the quarter.
Now as far as the bike is concerned, that is a reach. Even if it was an early nineties litre bike, its still about as quick as the new 600's which should have no problem with your car. The only way I see this possible is if there was something seriously wrong with it.

What a car does vs. what it is capable of are two different things... a kill is a kill, so nice job Kav.

I'm anxious to see what your car weighs/dynos exactly to compare mine to. Mine is lightened but not as much as yours, probably +150lbs more because I have the stock full interior. Your gearing and +400rpm redline over me help alot too but if you can run low 12's then mine should be capable of mid to high 12's hopefully... I think I read somewhere once a guy dragged a stock E46 M3 with drag radials to a 12.6? Might have been on roadfly

Either way it's pretty damn respectful that an N/A E36 can hang with a Viper... at that point who cares who actually wins. S54 RIPS!

Luke, I loved your car man, beautiful even though it was little dirty at the GTG like my engine bay, lol. How come you didn't show up at the BrankoFest?

Thanks man. Yeah I decided not to clean up the car at all for that GTG because I thought it was going to rain anyway. I didn't come to brankofest because I had no wheels on my car. That sat. i shipped out my old wheels and had tires mounted on my new ones.

From a fellow swap......

I endorse this kill......

Thanks man. Yeah I decided not to clean up the car at all for that GTG because I thought it was going to rain anyway. I didn't come to brankofest because I had no wheels on my car. That sat. i shipped out my old wheels and had tires mounted on my new ones.

I was just suprised I didn't see your M3 there. I love those new SSR GT2! That was my other choice but I found Dinan/Fikse wheels for the price that I just couldn't let go, we get tire rack magazines with discounts and it's on sale I think due to getting discontinued which is sad because they are really clean looking wheels and on top of that forged, :(.

Back on topic, bikes are extremely fast especially sport bikes, no doubt or question about that but I seriously did stay ahead of him from roll to upto 140MPH, he even admited at last GTG he came by at which was Brankofest, he was complaining though that he had lost top end by changing sprockets but he was happy that it woke bike up at lower RPMs and made it feel lighter. I don't know, it does sound like BS but like I said I did stay car ahead when we ran.

I will definately get it weighted and dynoed pretty soon, I'm also planning installing CF hood, removing and bypassing ABS since it doesn't operate after swap, underdrive pulleys, headers without cats, and chip, I don't know, I really want to hit 11's all motor, daily driver, that's my goal, :).

I consider myself a very objective person, and couldn't resist answering this post. I don't call any BS in this guy's post for several reasons.

A) early-mid 90s CBR 1000 bikes were not fast, I ate one up a long time ago with 350+whp after 100mph, and a big LTW wing on the rear. newer bikes, way different story.
Ok, bikes aren't hard to shift at speed either. also, bikes just don't have the same aerodynamics so comparing trap speeds that are barely over this speed don't really compare at speeds in excess of 125mph where HP/aerodynamics just plays more and more of a role as opposed to weight.
At 400whp I walked---yes, walked---no less than three mid- (and) late-90s Kawa ZX-7Rs in the same year once we got into 4th gear (lower gears I'd lose to the one I tried), and was able to hang with a ZX-9R but he started to pull at that hp level slightly, even in 4th. (EDIT: Reason I mention is these bikes had significantly faster trap speeds than what I had at the time.)
M3s with power are no joke at high speeds. Shoot, my M3 at 400whp would walk my Supra at the same hp level---even put down 4 more mph at the trap at same power level at same location.
Also, can't really compare motorcycle trap speeds to car traps. when my M3 used to trap the same as a Ducati 748 (118mph) that race was a joke starting from 4th gear, and I've got video of it. I spent time on that bike and it was nowhere near at 120+mph as a 400whp M3. and that's a car and bike with similar traps....but probably not aerodynamics.

B) lots of people are quoting these crazy fast trap speeds for the early gen vipers, which I've seen at 110mph. THEN we're also talking magazine stuff, which even some of the time is corrected to sea level and a certain temperature as well! people tend to forget that we don't know where this M3 owner got his timeslip at, or how hot it was or what.
if it's anything like Fontana, CA speedway----where I saw a "405bhp" Z06 (faster than early Viper) run a 12.4 at 110mph on slicks in 60F weather (ok so say he can run a 112mph there on street tires), and on hot days, E39 M5s and SC'd M3s running 14.0 @ 99mph, as well as NA E36 M3s not even getting past a 15.0 @ 91 MPH---then I'd say it's even more believable. Shoot I saw a stock R6 Yamaha run a 120mph, which at the time at that track was 3.5mph faster than me that day, but guess what I did to an R6 that very same evening! and yes he could ride, unless he just decided to catch up after slowing down and pull an 80mph endo next to me for a thumbs up just because he couldn't ride.

C) lastly, at 355whp I was neck and neck with the Viper ACR (460bhp) to 110mph, and I weighed in at 3200+lb, 3.15 rear end. we even swapped cars and that car definitely didn't pull harder (but dang they're easy to drive so forget that "bad driver" excuse--car is too easy).
and we're also talking a Viper with 60 more bhp than the one he raced. Knock off that and you're close to an S54's output. Oh yeah, but then we must add a 3.91 rear end and all the stripped weight advantages to the mix. So I say again, this is a totally believeable story.

say what you wish, flame what you want. any of you that know me know that I don't like exaggerations and play devil's advocate all the time. but I feel this is different. good kill. :alright

BTW: about how fast are post 2000-and-newer (although I know they get a lot faster year to year) 600cc bikes from 70-150 or 100-150? anyone have that exact info somewhere?

Well played, Vader.

Do you have an insane garage, or does your avatar just look like it?

haters in the house, you should all rob a jewelry store and tell them make you a grill...for trill guys, for trill. Respect on the S54 swap that must have been a biatch.

Wait are we talking about a car with 290-ish RWHP beating bikes?

Newer generation 600-750 bikes are very fast from 0 up to past their 1/4 mile trap speeds and they're trapping over 135mph.

Beating up on mid 90's up to 2000 bikes is cake. Try this new CBR600RR.

http://www.getyourrideon.com/bikes.cfm?action=detail&bikeid=122

1/4 Mile: 10.16 sec.
Top Speed: 178 mph
Horsepower: 148 bhp.
Torque: 76 ft.lbs.

I ran a brand new R1 Today. He caught me at the wrong time....with straight C16 in the car. I was just out giving my buddy a joyride and he rolled up on me.

Beating the Viper is definitely hard to believe but bikes that specific M3 setup can't even beat a current 600 from anywhere to anywhere in the powerband. It would be total rape not even a contest by any means.

I do like the swap though, very nice. Wondering why you went that route instead of a built turbo E36? More pics please.

i hate thread whores but that supra sounds nice BRAD, guy at my work has an 800+ MK4 (pump gas), custom fuel system and what not alc injection. quite nice. But yea back to this thread...werd.

Wait are we talking about a car with 290-ish RWHP beating bikes?

Newer generation 600-750 bikes are very fast from 0 up to past their 1/4 mile trap speeds and they're trapping over 135mph.

Beating up on mid 90's up to 2000 bikes is cake. Try this new CBR600RR.

http://www.getyourrideon.com/bikes.cfm?action=detail&bikeid=122

1/4 Mile: 10.16 sec.
Top Speed: 178 mph
Horsepower: 148 bhp.
Torque: 76 ft.lbs.

I ran a brand new R1 Today. He caught me at the wrong time....with straight C16 in the car. I was just out giving my buddy a joyride and he rolled up on me.

Beating the Viper is definitely hard to believe but bikes that specific M3 setup can't even beat a current 600 from anywhere to anywhere in the powerband. It would be total rape not even a contest by any means.


all he said is he beat an early 90s CBR 1000 RR with his car, which on top of the 290whp or whatever, his car has better gearing and light weight vs. stock E36. that is not unbelievable as that bike was a dog and I encountered the same thing. All I was saying was that even mid-90s 600-750cc bikes were definitely beatable with what today appears to be common hp among the faster M3s.
and come on, beating up on mid-90s bikes isn't "cake". How would you not agree that it's respectable for any car to be able to do so?
and you should know more than most that quarter-mile traps for a bike are different than for a car because they take into effect the bikes 0-60mph of like 2.5s-----if the two were with equal traps (or as I've found even slightly better by the bike) the win goes to the car in the upper mph haul, which is usually where all these little stints get up to with bikes. of course no way a street car has hardly any chance against almost any sport bike up to 80mph.
unless I misread, he never said he could beat a newer 600cc bike. I only asked that question because I was curious for my own sake.

1985Celica, thanks and yes that is in my garage. Not insane by any means but it definitely is getting better, :).

185 mph with a 3.91 rear end?

:confused

uh huh.

:bs

Umm... 6-spd...

all he said is he beat an early 90s CBR 1000 RR with his car, which on top of the 290whp or whatever, his car has better gearing and light weight vs. stock E36. that is not unbelievable as that bike was a dog and I encountered the same thing. All I was saying was that even mid-90s 600-750cc bikes were definitely beatable with what today appears to be common hp among the faster M3s.
and come on, beating up on mid-90s bikes isn't "cake". How would you not agree that it's respectable for any car to be able to do so?
and you should know more than most that quarter-mile traps for a bike are different than for a car because they take into effect the bikes 0-60mph of like 2.5s-----if the two were with equal traps (or as I've found even slightly better by the bike) the win goes to the car in the upper mph haul, which is usually where all these little stints get up to with bikes. of course no way a street car has hardly any chance against almost any sport bike up to 80mph.
unless I misread, he never said he could beat a newer 600cc bike. I only asked that question because I was curious for my own sake.

1985Celica, thanks and yes that is in my garage. Not insane by any means but it definitely is getting better, :).

The aerodynamic factor doesn't really come into play until much later than the 80 mph you said. It wouldn't even become evident until 150 mph or so, at which point it still would take a car of MUCH higher than 290 rwhp, regardless if it weighs 2800 lbs or not, to pull on it. Brad's Supra is an example of what it takes to run with bikes, not a car with under 300 rwhp.

all he said is he beat an early 90s CBR 1000 RR with his car, which on top of the 290whp or whatever, his car has better gearing and light weight vs. stock E36. that is not unbelievable as that bike was a dog and I encountered the same thing. All I was saying was that even mid-90s 600-750cc bikes were definitely beatable with what today appears to be common hp among the faster M3s.
and come on, beating up on mid-90s bikes isn't "cake". How would you not agree that it's respectable for any car to be able to do so?
and you should know more than most that quarter-mile traps for a bike are different than for a car because they take into effect the bikes 0-60mph of like 2.5s-----if the two were with equal traps (or as I've found even slightly better by the bike) the win goes to the car in the upper mph haul, which is usually where all these little stints get up to with bikes. of course no way a street car has hardly any chance against almost any sport bike up to 80mph.
unless I misread, he never said he could beat a newer 600cc bike. I only asked that question because I was curious for my own sake.

1985Celica, thanks and yes that is in my garage. Not insane by any means but it definitely is getting better, :).


Just saying beating up on a mid 90's 600-750 bike doesn't take that much horsepower, around 400rwhp will generally do it. Respectable yeah but it's not really bragging rights in this day and age where there are 400rwhp cars from the factory. Yeah I knew you didn't say that about the newer 600's, I was just using that as an example about how fast the newer ones are from 60-120 and etc.

To give an example, check out my video of the 06' R6, I ran him on pump gas from about 30-120 and barely edged him out, however that was on the old 67mm turbo.

My apologies for the thread jack.

i have proof of a 3L m3 pulling 12's toatly na...and stock engine..only stripped and air intake. any interest i'll post a link to it

i have proof of a 3L m3 pulling 12's toatly na...and stock engine..only stripped and air intake. any interest i'll post a link to it

12 what, 12.99? What was the time?

Aerodynamic advantage goes to the bike, not the car. It is strange how often this effect pops up. Not only aero advantage, but also less rolling resistance for the bike, both tilt the advantage away from the car as the speeds go higher:

Cd for a decent car is about .32
Cd for a bike is around .58

To get total aero drag (CdA), you have to multiply Cd by frontal area:

Frontal area for a sports car: about 22 square feet
Frontal area for a sport bike: about 6 square feet

This nets a CdA (total drag) for a bike of about: .58 x 6= 3.48 Ft2
And nets a CdA (total drag) for a car of about: .32 x 22= 7.04 Ft2

The car has roughly double the total drag as a bike, and as the Cd increases with the square of speed, this just gets worse as speeds rise.

Just saying beating up on a mid 90's 600-750 bike doesn't take that much horsepower, around 400rwhp will generally do it.

good, I'm glad someone else agrees with me on this. Usually some people don't believe me.

i'll have to check out some of your vids. saw just the one against the 600whp Supra. car is looking very nice. I miss mine, been in shop. so close. :cool

The car has roughly double the total drag as a bike, and as the Cd increases with the square of speed, this just gets worse as speeds rise.

ok then. interesting. and I won't argue that. well the bike's weight advantage should diminish as speeds rise (hence its power/weight ratio advantage goes down), so at some point the 4-5 times higher HP starts to get the advantage.



...Ok, I'm done here. feel like I'm way off subject. sorry! just trying to back up the dude's old motorcycle kill claim as he got shafted so hard. I spend very little time in the kills section these days.

man i take your word 100%... i dont wanna save for my S52/5 anymore... I want a S54/6 now

good, I'm glad someone else agrees with me on this. Usually some people don't believe me.

i'll have to check out some of your vids. saw just the one against the 600whp Supra. car is looking very nice. I miss mine, been in shop. so close. :cool

We missed you at Bimmerfest this year Pablo. I was the only Toyota in the lot. Got hated on a lot, even at the parking lot on the way up, but not to my face. Lot of talking behind my back...lol.

s54 e36 first i time i heard of this

Definitely seems believable.

good kill on the viper....just goes to show that driver is everything and you definitely outdrove him. :)

i have proof of a 3L m3 pulling 12's toatly na...and stock engine..only stripped and air intake. any interest i'll post a link to it


I would almost guess that that's the poster's car.

Damnit these fish sticks are hard as tits.

I would almost guess that that's the poster's car.

Not only him, there are a couple e46 M3s stock and with bolt ons that have pulled 12 second passes.

http://www.m3forum.net/m3forum/showthread.php?t=67620&page=1

Nice kill!
The 1st part of the story is hard to swallow
2nd is more realistic

Yeah, that's because after doing some research it had definately must have been early Gen Viper!

So many replies I can't keep up, lol.

I should have definately done better at track but it was track and my tire setup that didn't allow me to run better times, I was getting wheel hops even slipping clutch especially 2nd and I decided to park it after 2nd run, aside from excuses, I will definately prove it, it can do much better in same current condition at better track!

Supras are insane with especially right modifications, there is guy who comes up at almost every sunday when it's nice out with Automatic that runs 10.6s, he's like king of the GTG, never heard him losing with any car from people.

Yeah, that's because after doing some research it had definately must have been early Gen Viper!

So many replies I can't keep up, lol.

I should have definately done better at track but it was track and my tire setup that didn't allow me to run better times, I was getting wheel hops even slipping clutch especially 2nd and I decided to park it after 2nd run, aside from excuses, I will definately prove it, it can do much better in same current condition at better track!

Supras are insane with especially right modifications, there is guy who comes up at almost every sunday when it's nice out with Automatic that runs 10.6s, he's like king of the GTG, never heard him losing with any car from people.

You better get off work early and go to the track with me today. Im taking your frankenstein out. lol. j/k.

My car took a shit, nothin in the trunk, no back seats, no front pass seat, and drained the washer fluid.

Not only him, there are a couple e46 M3s stock and with bolt ons that have pulled 12 second passes.



i am talking only a CAI and exhaust and the seats and some trim removed
in a 3L m3 thats a good feat

I know who you talking about, it's the guy with Yellow S50B30, headlight out, some little modifications, R compound street tires, different seats? Little bit gutted it looked like from front seats to back because in pictures I noticed no door panels so it must have some fair amount weight reduction especially when you even take door panels off to save some weight. Very respectful times, he'll be hitting mid 12s soon with shorter rear!

:drink1

Euro 3.0L and U.S. 3.0L is different.

You better get off work early and go to the track with me today. Im taking your frankenstein out. lol. j/k.

My car took a shit, nothin in the trunk, no back seats, no front pass seat, and drained the washer fluid.

lol, my frankenstein needs wider tires, and more weight reduction, :).

Having recently drove an early model viper, I must say I am impressed with this story. The torque the viper puts down is just stupid. Great kill man!

Oh and to whomever comments on the viper's handling....from experience, they are pigs

I deff believe it good shit man we deff need to get some footage of your car running some people :) (ive seen an E46 m3 go 12.7 with just drag radials so to take that motor and put it in an E36 is deff capable of some mid low 12s specially the way his car is set up, racing seats, roll cage and everything.

here are some pics of the S54 swaped E36 beast :)

http://photos-n-02.facebook.com/n18/230/123/72100021/n72100021_30098156_2979.jpg

http://photos-n-02.facebook.com/n18/230/123/72100021/n72100021_30098157_3372.jpg

as well as a video of the meet we took the shots at
Click here to watch >
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Thanks for the pictures, we should definately get together and video some runs, maybe some testing against modified E36 M3 to E36 S54 for people to see differences, hehe.

wo nice car, I dont live that far from philly, maybe if I go to a meet sometime I would see it there.

Thats a crazy kill though, not many 3 series owners that can say they have beaten a viper.

Thanks for the pictures, we should definately get together and video some runs, maybe some testing against modified E36 M3 to E36 S54 for people to see differences, hehe.

yeah deff man, ill PM you my number ight...give me a call next time your out and about in the area.