the M3 (http://www.my350z.com/forum/showthread.php?t=186336#) and I were driving a bit faster than the rest of the traffic. We were sizing each other out for a few miles, but there were too many cars (http://www.my350z.com/forum/showthread.php?t=186336#) to go at it. Finally, we both saw the same opening and he hogged it like it was his last meal. At 60mph, I stomped my leaad foot down and I was on his tail like a cheap suit. I thought he was going to pull on me for sure, since M3 are formidable opponent of the z (especially the newer ones), but he didn't. I keep at it for what seems like forever and when I realized I wasn't going to get my ass kicked, I changeed lane on the right of him and we went at it, no holds barred. At around 90, I started pulling on him like a raped ape... I was totally suprised at that moment. In matter of seconds, I had about 2 cars on him. Shortly after, we both shut it down, and when he drove by, I gave him a 'hey what's up' head tilt as he nodded with approval. I only get a good race, maybe once every 4 months and it was fun http://www.my350z.com/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif

kind of a surprise, are you stock??
A stock e46 will easily pull on a 350z, especially after 90mph....
but judging by your picture i'm guessing u have more than a few mods...
What kind of power are u making??

either that or still break-in time for the M, but hey a win is a win.

up top the m should have won, sounds like he was in the wrong gear, but nice kill nontheless.

agreed...z's are fast...but not that fast...and 90+ is where the M3 pulls on cars that it shouldnt be physically possible to...

what mods do you have. i have taken 350's in an e36. ya especially on 90+he should pull on. are you FI?

As above - A standard e36 m3 evolution has no trouble outgunning a 350z and I'd expect an e46 car to be faster still...

since M3 are formidable opponent of the z (especially the newer ones),


not quite...lets say formidable opponent to the 330ci Zcp. What mods do you have? M3's have alot of grunt up top, I mean they trap what...108

Complete B-S unless you have a bunch of mods. (of course the driver in the M could not have been racing or could be quite possible the worst driver ever)

I have easily walked 350's from all ranges (dead stop runs, 40 pulls, 60 pulls etc)

Plus the M will do 160-170 easy with chip and the Z's begin to die. 280 hp vs 333 hp...9:1 compression vs. 11.5:1 compression. M hands down.



An e36 M3 and/or a 330zcp would be more of an opponet. I think the man in the M wasn't really going after it. Trust me on this one. (of course this could all be wrong if you are not stock)

you sure it wasnt just a 3 series with an M badge stuck on it?

Maaaaaaybe the M3 wasn't racing. But that couldn't be possible, right?

I think he meant 96 M3 instead of 06, now that would be slightly more believeable.

I dynoed 264 whp with an intake and a plenum space. Now I added Helix test pipes and HKS True dual exhaust, but haven't dynoed with them yet. If I were to guess, I'd say I'm putting down about 290?

I think he meant 96 M3 instead of 06, now that would be slightly more believeable.


Correct - I've walked Z's easily in my E60 545, and the 545 is no match for the E46 M3 on the hwy. If it was an E46 M3, possibly it was still under break-in, or the guy just didn't know how to drive and had it in the wrong gear.

I dynoed 264 whp with an intake and a plenum space. Now I added Helix test pipes and HKS True dual exhaust, but haven't dynoed with them yet. If I were to guess, I'd say I'm putting down about 290?
hmmm. He still would have more top end then you.

I dynoed 264 whp with an intake and a plenum space. Now I added Helix test pipes and HKS True dual exhaust, but haven't dynoed with them yet. If I were to guess, I'd say I'm putting down about 290?
290 in your dreams. 264 seems awfully high with those mods what kind of dyno?

Yeah. I have to agree with the way this conversation is going so far. If it was an E46 M3 properly driven, even with the mods you have, there is no way you will win. Still, anything can happen and if you out-drove the guy and if (and it sounds like you do) you have a strong Z, I can see how you could win. Nice one.

I dynoed 264 whp with an intake and a plenum space. Now I added Helix test pipes and HKS True dual exhaust, but haven't dynoed with them yet. If I were to guess, I'd say I'm putting down about 290?

lmao. i <3 your whp math.

I won cuz I'm the juggernaut, bitchez.

I have a 00 M roadster w/ a S52 and I have raced and beat stock 350Zs. I dont think he was racing you, but a win is a win and anything can happen out there. good kill none the less.

Chris

I won cuz I'm the juggernaut, bitchez.
If you can bs your hp #'s I think youd easily bullshit a kill story.

If you can bs your hp #'s I think youd easily bullshit a kill story.

you're such a troll, dude.. I'm just posting a story of me having some fun.. don't get all serious about it.. geez.. everybody wins some and lose some.. no big deal.

I belive you won becuase of a fluke in the m3's driving. but a win is a win and if it was fun then thats all that counts.

O and no one here is a biatch. everyone here has 2 legs, talks (not barks), and is looking for a logical reason that a car with fewer hp is beating a much faster car, and o we drive bmws :D Never seen a dog do that.

Good kill!

^ well, like I said.. I thought I was going get a beat down, cuz I thought the m3's would destroy me.. anything could've happened.. maybe he was in 5th.. who knows.. I never claimed that my car is faster than an M.. quite the opposite, actually. juggernaut thing was a joke.. guess you didn't catch the video..


hks is rated 14 whp completely stock and more with NA bolton. my test pipes are rated 10 na and up to 35 FI'd. I'm guessing
I'm putting down anywhere between 275~290. I'm looking into a vortech SC, but prolly do a few more boltons, before then. :)
for the z, test pipes seems to be the most popular, cuz they jive so well with other breathing mods.

Yea i have a friends with test pipes intake exhuast and regualr bolt ons and i won't lie those things are damn quick cars.Not sure about the whp ratings tho. good luck with the moding nice kill

You do realize that adding an intake rated by some company for a +10 peak hp gain and an exhaust system rated at a +15 peak hp gain does not equal a +25 peak hp gain...

Wow, you gained 50 whp with a few bolt-ons :lol

http://www.sportzmagazine.com/images_pages/images_downloads/Shootout-Stock_Chart.gif

You do realize that adding an intake rated by some company for a +10 peak hp gain and an exhaust system rated at a +15 peak hp gain does not equal a +25 peak hp gain...

I agree.. but you do realize that one mod will have more gains by adding another mod, right? usually gains claimed by companies are tested on stock cars. I don't know if you read the other posts, but I dynoed 264hp. If I were to use maximum claimed numbers, it would be 264+14+10=288. Since I have mods that are working with each other, giving an estimate of 275~290 isn't all that unreasonable.

On a side note, I've used dynopack. It does rate a lot higher than the others, such as dynojet and etc., but I have to use the same machine, in order to keep track of my gains. Therefore, if I were to dyno again, the numbers will come out pretty high, I would assume. Another guy I dynod with, had 296 whp, all na boltons.

Have you taken that thing to the strip? If so what does it trap? I know a local guy that had a 350z with bolt-ons (dont ask me for a list but it wasnt much) and he was trapping 106, not far off an E46 but definately wouldn't be able to pull on one... hell my stock STi stayed with him to 120 and STis only trap 102-104.

when the z first came out. the aftermarket was pretty weak. You can slap down 2k and only gain 10 hp. Things are different now. People are coming out with some quality mods that you can actually get some decent gains off of the already hp milked vq engines.

here's the link to that dyno day.. over 20 cars showed

http://www.my350z.com/forum/showthread.php?t=146716&highlight=dyno+church

Have you taken that thing to the strip? If so what does it trap? I know a local guy that had a 350z with bolt-ons (dont ask me for a list but it wasnt much) and he was trapping 106, not far off an E46 but definately wouldn't be able to pull on one... hell my stock STi stayed with him to 120 and STis only trap 102-104.

I don't know about my car, but a lot of guys are running low 13s with 105+trap, STOCK. I would like to take it to the tracks, after a few more mods :)

I don't know about my car, but a lot of guys are running low 13s with 105+trap, STOCK.

Can we please see slips, or I'll have to call BS on this whole thread now :help

I don't know about my car, but a lot of guys are running low 13s with 105+trap, STOCK. I would like to take it to the tracks, after a few more mods :)

A lot of guys are running low 13's huh? show me ONE guy running low 13's. And run your car on a real dyno, you might be in for a surprise. Im convinced youre full of shit:)

:( i wish my exhaust gave me 20 wheel hp

^ hahaha low 13's that rediculous!! 13.7 is the best..and thats pushing it...a Z is e36 m3 territory.no ifs or buts..with the z having a slight edge over the e36 m3...low 13's is e46 m3 territory..and a Z ..no way in hell can hang ..stock vs stock..and besdies your dyno are on a dynapack

E46 M3's trap around 106mph and 350Z's around 101mph. I don know much about 350Z mods, but I suppose it is possible that they could add a few MPH to the traps, though it seems unlikely. I have to say it doesnt seem any more laughable than all the people beating 350Z's in their 95mph-trapping 328i's. It's kind of fun to see it come from the other side for once ;) .

A lot of guys are running low 13's huh? show me ONE guy running low 13's. And run your car on a real dyno, you might be in for a surprise. Im convinced youre full of shit:)

You're just bitter cuz I called you a troll :confused

just to clarify. z's average trap time is high 90's and and high 13's low 14s. shat does happen when people get low 13's. why is it so impossible? I never said low 13's are average of the z.. some of you guys are trying to make beef out of nothing.

You're just bitter cuz I called you a troll :confused

just to clarify. z's average trap time is high 90's and and high 13's low 14s. shat does happen when people get low 13's. why is it so impossible? I never said low 13's are average of the z.. some of you guys are trying to make beef out of nothing.


You need quite a bit more power to get from low 14s to low 13s.

the BS is proportional to the number of body kits on the vehicle.
as the plastic increases, the believability decreases.

the BS is proportional to the number of body kits on the vehicle.
as the plastic increases, the believability decreases.
:lol

the BS is proportional to the number of body kits on the vehicle.
as the plastic increases, the believability decreases.

whatever you say mr. junkyard. why don't you sell all your junky cars of yours and buy one real one.

as soon as you get a real car.

I have a real one. it's 10x the Fast n Furious single one you have.
mwahahahah.

whatever you say mr. junkyard. why don't you sell all your junky cars of yours and buy one real one.

The pebbles in between his M-Coupe's tire treads have 20X the class of your body kit.

I have a real one. it's 10x the Fast n Furious single one you have.
mwahahahah.


riiighht.. now get back into your trailer and take more mushrooms. :embarrasm

The pebbles in between his M-Coupe's tire treads have 20X the class of your body kit.

:lol hahaha


i'm not gonna call BS on this thread cause you PROBABLY did win, but seriously, even with those mods your car isn't in e46 m3 territory. more like lightly modded e36 m3 turf.
i really doubt the driver was competent or maybe he wasn't 'racing' - just having a little fun.
but as they say, a win is a win.

The pebbles in between his M-Coupe's tire treads have 20X the class of your body kit.

' uh durr.. his car is better than yours' you have something negative to say in every thread. come back when your ballz drop.

You're just bitter cuz I called you a troll :confused

just to clarify. z's average trap time is high 90's and and high 13's low 14s. shat does happen when people get low 13's. why is it so impossible? I never said low 13's are average of the z.. some of you guys are trying to make beef out of nothing.

You are the type of person that would try convincing me that your ricy body kit makes your car more aerodyniamic. I bet that thing starts to flap around at around 80, just dont lose it on the freeway, someone might die trying to swerve out of the way. I bet that if you put a bigger wing on, it would help you put that 290rwhp to the ground better and would give o about 6 tenths in 1/4.

But Im the troll right. Im not bitter Im laughing because you tried to bs your hp #'s. You then tried to tell me there are many people who run low 13's in stock z's lol. I told you find me one person who has done that. Go put your car on a real dyno or better yet go run the 1/4 mile and then talk. I honestly think you made the story up just like everything else.

the paint job on your kit doesn't even match.
it's one step above primer.
nice work.
OmG0z0Rz350ZyO1!1!!one1!!1vTak!!11h1n!11

Bah I can beat 350zs. Didnt need this thread to remind of that.

:bs

Unless the guy wasn't racing. I would probably walk you in my E36 M3...I've raced 5 350zs on the freeway. 2 were modded, walked ALLLLL of them with 208hp to the wheels. I got my ass handed to me by 2 E46 M3s as well.

I would totally be down to goof around on the highway if you're ever up north.

Torque curve FTW!!!!

' uh durr.. his car is better than yours' you have something negative to say in every thread. come back when your ballz drop.
BTW you seem to be the biggest troll on the thread. Just realize that your story is hard to believe. If I said I walked an E46 M3 today, I'd get the ol :bs as well buddy.

BTW I don't think my car is fast. I don't even think my 12.5 second Mustang was fast, it was reasonably quick. I just think near-stock 350Zs are slow.

Clickyclicky
http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=513391

To be nice though, your car looks pretty good.

Personally, I think a lot of you non-E46 M3 drivers should stop talking trash. Second, anything can happen on the streets, and weirder things have happened. That being said, if he dyno'd those numbers and and had more mods on top of that which he hasn't dyno'd since, and possibly a bad driver in the M3, it's not that hard to believe.

' uh durr.. his car is better than yours' you have something negative to say in every thread. come back when your ballz drop.

Thanks for confirming my suspicion, troll.

I won cuz I'm the juggernaut, bitchez.

Quoted for the truth. :biglaughb

whatever you say mr. junkyard. why don't you sell all your junky cars of yours and buy one real one.

lol I'm sorry but that is the last straw. I'll prolly get TO'd but o well.

You sir, are full of shit. Z's trap 100-102. Low 14s to high 13s. I've seen many a stock 350Z on a REAL and ACCURATE dyno put down between 225 and 240 rwhp stock. I've seen 350Zs with many if not all bolt ons put down 255-260rwhp. Maybe this happened and you're just too dense to understand it was a fluke. My money's on you pulled this straight out of ur asshole. I may even question that you own a car and are not a 13 year old little prick who watched F&F a few too many times. Either way, I dare you to race that man's coupe to a race thinking it belongs in a junkyard. You and your Japanese Mustang will be in for a surprise. Lastly, I double-dog dare you to put your car on a dynojet right now. If you put down more than 260rwph I'll paypal you the price of the dyno run. Hope my childish "dares" are in your pre-adolescent terms.

The e46 M3 may be faster, but at least the 350Z sounds better. I hate that M3 rasp.

The e46 M3 may be faster, but at least the 350Z sounds better. I hate that M3 rasp.

does the 350z sound like the G35?

nice kill. 350z's are fast cars. from personal experience those have some power, and the driving was the difference in the kill. nice job

does the 350z sound like the G35?
yes, it sounds almost exactly the same

350zs sounds like g35c s..

I liked them once.
way back when I used to watch F&F, the sequel over and over again..

Now I find them very unattractive since all them honky retards drive them now. with some honky retarded looking wing and body kit..

whatever you say mr. junkyard. why don't you sell all your junky cars of yours and buy one real one.

WOW. You obviously have no clue about the M Coupe standing among BMW enthusiasts. That is one of the purest and rawest vehicles BMW has ever made. They are holding their value like crazy, they've actually gone up in value the last 2 years. The S54's are going for $10k above book.

Hilarious . . . yeah, its a junky car . . .

The G35's and 350Z's, stock, do sound incredible.

The S54 rasp, however, reminds me of a high compression race car, and I am in love with it :)

damn, this thread reminds me when I first got my SRT4.. :lol:

The G35's and 350Z's, stock, do sound incredible.

The S54 rasp, however, reminds me of a high compression race car, and I am in love with it :)



aggreed...with my supersprint race exhaust...i have been reported to the national park rangers as...a "racecar" as I blew by an old couple going about 100(one of my friends is a ranger...)...and that is WAY COOLER then that of a z..which sounds cool but airy...kinda unsubstancial...however...Zs do sound good...even stockers...

Funny this thread came up. Just a fiew weeks ago when a kid in a 350Z with a loud bassy stereo and a wing that belongs on a topfuel dragster gave me the finger... when he got owned on hwy 404 north. He was in the left fast lane and i was next to him, he kept jumping ahead and slowing down trying to get my attention, so i downshifted, hammered it, and walked away from him without any sweat.
After i slowed down he did a ricer-flyby with his finger waiving at me like a worm in the wind. :lol

People need to chill a little bit. As for the various claims: You can't just add estimates together in order to get whp numbers after bolt-on mods. An E46 M3 is a way faster car than the 350Z stock for stock. There are no 350Z's which throw down low 13's stock. However, if the M3 didn't have it together when he was driving, if he had a lot of junk in his car, if he had a full tank of gas, if he doesn't take good car of his car, if he didn't break in his engine properly, then I can certainly understand how you won. Anything can happen out there. So B.S. is not the right call on this race. I believe that you won. Yet in general though, a 350Z is no match for an E46 M3. Heck, I even beat Z's in my big fat 540.

The G35's and 350Z's, stock, do sound incredible.
The S54 rasp, however, reminds me of a high compression race car, and I am in love with it :)

350s sound pretty good, I like them a little more with exhaust. I really dig the m3 rasp though.. very distinctive.

The 350 driver sounds like a nice guy...give him a break.

The 350 driver sounds like a nice guy...give him a break.
tee hee:lol

The e46 M3 may be faster, but at least the 350Z sounds better. I hate that M3 rasp.

Yeah because sounding better > being faster :rolleyes

It's like saying "Yeah the Buggati Veyron is faster, but the Honda Civic Hybrid gets better gas milage"

Yeah because sounding better > being faster :rolleyes

It's like saying "Yeah the Buggati Veyron is faster, but the Honda Civic Hybrid gets better gas milage"

But it's true!!

:rofl

I kid I kid...

Were in the cali do you live deathmage? lets just get someone to race you, then this will all be over.

I dynoed 264 whp with an intake and a plenum space. Now I added Helix test pipes and HKS True dual exhaust, but haven't dynoed with them yet. If I were to guess, I'd say I'm putting down about 290?

You'll be lucky if you have 260rwhp with ALL the above listed mods.

My buddy had test pipes, exhaust, intake, plenum, crank pulley and he put down 254rwhp and he has a hell-of-a strong motor. Even with cams and ridiculous tune you wouldn't be anywhere near 290rwhp. That's a joke.

I used to have a 350z. No way in hell.

Personally, I think a lot of you non-E46 M3 drivers should stop talking trash.
why? :confused My E36 has beaten many 350z's

I used to have a 350z. No way in hell.
:lol :lol

Nice...I just had to laugh out loud on that one.

why? :confused My E36 has beaten many 350z's
+5 With only 208 WHP

My 540 has beaten numerous 350zs from all types of starts......the M3 wasn't racing. And how did you know it was an 06 anyways?

Every 300 & 350z's I've raced I pulled away from...it's hard for me to believe that you had him by 2 car lengths... Only 350z I've raced that gave me any issues was a 350z modded with a turbo and I still had him by a 1/2 car length doin 100+

Only 350z I've raced that gave me any issues was a 350z modded with a turbo and I still had him by a 1/2 car length doin 100+

Unless you got FI, there is no way you'd beat a turbo 350Z. Those VQ engines can get pretty insane (400 + WHP)

my z has beaten many e36 m3s but never a e46 m3.. most likely the e46 wasnt racing or jus left off ..

Every 300 & 350z's I've raced I pulled away from...it's hard for me to believe that you had him by 2 car lengths... Only 350z I've raced that gave me any issues was a 350z modded with a turbo and I still had him by a 1/2 car length doin 100+


No way you beat a modded 350Z with a turbo. I find it hard to believe you even kept up with him. Most of those guys are pushing at least 400whp. The only way you kept up is if you are running FI. If so, then I stand corrected.

However, a supercharged 350 i could believe.

I think you guys scared the troll away.

Apparently very few 350z drivers can drive properly if you guys all think you are beating them. I owned a 2004 Nissan 350z recently and it was a quick car. I raced two different Porsche 996's over a long distance from 70-120+ mph and it was dead even. I raced a Lotus Elise and he got me by about a car length 0-90 mph. Thats not a slow car. I dunno, maybe everyone I raced couldn't drive for shit, but I think it is the prejudice many BMW drivers have against "inferior" cars such as Nissan. The 350z doesn't get much credit on these forums. I've owned 4 BMW's (2 M Cars) and happened to like the 350z quite a bit even though it wasn't german. Most likely I'm moving into a 996 cab soon, but I have no regrets about the 350.

Apparently very few 350z drivers can drive properly if you guys all think you are beating them. I owned a 2004 Nissan 350z recently and it was a quick car. I raced two different Porsche 996's over a long distance from 70-120+ mph and it was dead even. I raced a Lotus Elise and he got me by about a car length 0-90 mph. Thats not a slow car. I dunno, maybe everyone I raced couldn't drive for shit, but I think it is the prejudice many BMW drivers have against "inferior" cars such as Nissan. The 350z doesn't get much credit on these forums. I've owned 4 BMW's (2 M Cars) and happened to like the 350z quite a bit even though it wasn't german. Most likely I'm moving into a 996 cab soon, but I have no regrets about the 350.

You must have had a very strong Z, or you're a great driver, or both. No 350 I've ever raced has given me that much trouble. I've lost a couple of times when I didn't get my fat sedan of the line in enough of a hurry. But I always come back on them in the top end.

the m3 wasnt racing!

Please! I did beat a modded turbo 350z... You don't have to believe it...
I know cuz I was there. Rolling start 20-110mph then shut it down whole time he was always 1/2 car behind me.
I don't know what his modds are other than he said he had a brand new turbo installed.
I do believe if he was pushing 400hp he should pull away. But he knows & I know who won that race.

oh dear god... you know the end is near when the 350z trolls start coming around. For the record - I've smoked 350z's from a dig as well as roll-on on the freeway, so I call BS on this as well. M wasn't racing.

I predict a lock soon

i hardly read this forum, but the topic caught my eye. hahaha, funny thread. either the e46 m3 wasn't trying, or he let off the gas cuz he felt bad.

If that guy with the M3 beat a Turboed Z, then the stock Z beating an E46 M3 is just as believable.

My E46/M3 bone stock except for 275/35rears tires still won!

How come it seems like there are more z cars wanting to race M3's than the other way around?
Maybe I'm just being bias

How come it seems like there are more z cars wanting to race M3's than the other way around?
Maybe I'm just being bias
No bias here...I've pulled hard on every Nissan/Infiniti with the VQ35 engine that wanted to play with me (even when I first got my M two years ago and didn't know how to drive it well).

How come it seems like there are more z cars wanting to race M3's than the other way around?
Maybe I'm just being bias
Dude youre an idiot if you think you can take a turbo z. If you beat him and he wasnt racing it wasnt a turbo. A turbo z with the biggest moron in the world will hit 12's easily. Your car wont do that stock.

Dude youre an idiot if you think you can take a turbo z. If you beat him and he wasnt racing it wasnt a turbo. A turbo z with the biggest moron in the world will hit 12's easily. Your car wont do that stock.

:werd: Looks like it's not only the Z driver who's BSing.

Please! I did beat a modded turbo 350z... You don't have to believe it...
I know cuz I was there. Rolling start 20-110mph then shut it down whole time he was always 1/2 car behind me.
I don't know what his modds are other than he said he had a brand new turbo installed.
I do believe if he was pushing 400hp he should pull away. But he knows & I know who won that race.

Just like I beat a turbo porsche the other day in my G35 Coupe. LOL!!!

If that guy with the M3 beat a Turboed Z, then the stock Z beating an E46 M3 is just as believable.

+1 hahah

i have an 03 z and its quick no doubt, but i tried an e46 m3 on the highway and felt helpless, he just pulled semi quick, but consistantly the whole time...it was beautiful :buttrock

i posted a kill about me beating a sr20det 240sx silvia conversion in the 350 so that shows that they arent dogs, i cant speak for this guy who started the topic tho...all i know is that there is no way an N/A m3 of any year beat a turbo z car...no way:shifty

Wow I lose more an more respect for these forums everyday:( I have a friend with about the same mods as the "Z' mentioned and we have lots of video of him raping E46 M3s all day long!!Also have posted them to very many childish remarks!!! Now all you lil kids don't get butt hurt with his mods he can hang with E46 M3s or even be faster

Don't Believe me call me on it!! I'm tired of this crap someone from the forums step up! We will video tape it all and put on the forums!! I'm calling out anyone with a stock E46 M3 in Socal we will get it on tape and post up here so everyone can see!!


ALi

Edit* you will be up against a Z with same mods plus lightweight flywheel and headers I believe he has a stock exhaust otherwise no other mods .....

Wow I lose more an more respect for these forums everyday:( I have a friend with about the same mods as the "Z' mentioned and we have lots of video of him raping E46 M3s all day long!!Also have posted them to very many childish remarks!!! Now all you lil kids don't get butt hurt with his mods he can hang with E46 M3s or even be faster

Don't Believe me call me on it!! I'm tired of this crap someone from the forums step up! We will video tape it all and put on the forums!! I'm calling out anyone with a stock E46 M3 in Socal we will get it on tape and post up here so everyone can see!!


ALi

Edit* you will be up against a Z with same mods plus lightweight flywheel and headers I believe he has a stock exhaust otherwise no other mods .....

Oh, are we talking about Sakred's "magical" 350z? The one who posted videos of beating e46 m3s with obvious bad drivers, and shutting down when the e46 m3 started catching up?:rolleyes

While I respect a fast car, regardless of make, I don't have misillusions as to what cars CAN do. Let's break it down and look at the 350z. Stock they are putting down 230-240 rwhp. So you really think that the 350z will make 50rwhp with intake/exhaust/headers to get it to 280-290 rwhp where the e46 m3 is at? EVEN if it did, which I can guarantee it doesn't, I would even be hard pressed to belive it could make 290rwhp with CAMS.

So that would mean, for a 350z to run with an e46 m3, it would need 290 rwhp, and a 6 speed transmission. Even with that, the gearing is superior in the e46 m3-that's not a bias or an excuse, but the e46 m3 has much superior gearing than the 350z, especially into triple digits. SO, for a 350z to "RAPE" an e46 m3 I would imagine it would need upwards of 300 rwhp, which it isn't going to get with bolt ons and cams.

I won cuz I'm the juggernaut, bitchez.

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahaha
this thread just cracked me heeeeeeeeeella hard!

Let's see, the e46 M3 is faster than a e39 540 and I've been in both a 350z and a 540 on the highway, and the 350z got WALKED. I've got video of an ///M5 (which is slower than an M3 by official numbers) DESTROYING a 350z that I was in, on the highway. Outrunning a modified WRX too. You sir, are BS.

Let's see, the e46 M3 is faster than a e39 540 and I've been in both a 350z and a 540 on the highway, and the 350z got WALKED. I've got video of an ///M5 (which is slower than an M3 by official numbers) DESTROYING a 350z that I was in, on the highway. Outrunning a modified WRX too. You sir, are BS.

Off topic: Your 951 is gorgeous. It must be nice having 2 at your disposal, along with an e34 m5.:devillook

I haven't even read the thread after the first 3 posts, but my opinion he should have had you on the top for sure. Either way, good race, and nice looking Z dude.

Oh, are we talking about Sakred's "magical" 350z? The one who posted videos of beating e46 m3s with obvious bad drivers, and shutting down when the e46 m3 started catching up?:rolleyes

While I respect a fast car, regardless of make, I don't have misillusions as to what cars CAN do. Let's break it down and look at the 350z. Stock they are putting down 230-240 rwhp. So you really think that the 350z will make 50rwhp with intake/exhaust/headers to get it to 280-290 rwhp where the e46 m3 is at? EVEN if it did, which I can guarantee it doesn't, I would even be hard pressed to belive it could make 290rwhp with CAMS.

So that would mean, for a 350z to run with an e46 m3, it would need 290 rwhp, and a 6 speed transmission. Even with that, the gearing is superior in the e46 m3-that's not a bias or an excuse, but the e46 m3 has much superior gearing than the 350z, especially into triple digits. SO, for a 350z to "RAPE" an e46 m3 I would imagine it would need upwards of 300 rwhp, which it isn't going to get with bolt ons and cams.

Dude, stop talking. .... when he raced half of those M3s' I was there and I AM BMW BIAS. Stop making excuses for other drivers, like I said I'm not argung anymore, I'm gonna shut up anyone else that doesn't know what they are talkin about.

Also we have dyno of SAKred magical Z dynoing 6 rwhp short of E46 M3 with an exhuast

Rules are simple stock M3 E46 smg or manual vs previosly Mentioned 350Z up to 100mph or quarter mile runs at LACR STEP UP OR STFU


Friendly wagers are accepted:evil2

put yo money where yo mouth is partna!!

Dude, stop Fing talking. .... when he raced half of those M3s' I was there and I AM BMW BIAS, you arse. Stop making excuses for other drivers, like I said I'm not argung anymore, I'm gonna shut YOU up and anyone else that doesn't know what they are talkin about.

Also we have dyno of SAKred magical Z dynoing 6 rwhp short of E46 M3 with an exhuast

Rules are simple stock M3 E46 smg or manual vs previosly Mentioned 350Z up to 100mph or quarter mile runs at LACR STEP UP OR STFU


Friendly wagers are accepted:evil2

put yo money where yo mouth is partna!!

If in fact Sakred's Z makes virtually the same rwhp as an e46 m3, then he has one helluva strong motor to begin with. He is obviously a very good driver, and that's not the topic of debate. I would give Sakred the nod in a 1/4 mile race against an average driver in the e46 m3, but into deep triple digits, where driver skill takes less of a role, I would give the nod to the e46 m3.

As for the video, I saw it, and me along with everybody else (minus you and Sakred) saw the e46 m3 starting to catch up to Sakred. I don't really care that the car in question is an e46 m3-it has no bearing on me. I'm simply comparing them based on performance and what they are both capable of.

On top of everything else, what's so special about a MODDED 350z beating a stock e46 m3? Why not mod the e46 m3 similarly, or compare them stock for stock. It seems as if everyone and their mother who has a 350z think it is the fastest thing on the planet.

hey if there is a meet this sat at torrance crossroads we should have them run....... anyone with a e46 down? i wanna see the outcome lol i video tape

You arent going to get 30 HP from an exhaust and test pipe. You dont have an LS1.

350z can get in the low 13's fairly easy though.

Wow I lose more an more respect for these forums everyday:( I have a friend with about the same mods as the "Z' mentioned and we have lots of video of him raping E46 M3s all day long!!Also have posted them to very many childish remarks!!! Now all you lil kids don't get butt hurt with his mods he can hang with E46 M3s or even be faster

Don't Believe me call me on it!! I'm tired of this crap someone from the forums step up! We will video tape it all and put on the forums!! I'm calling out anyone with a stock E46 M3 in Socal we will get it on tape and post up here so everyone can see!!


ALi

Edit* you will be up against a Z with same mods plus lightweight flywheel and headers I believe he has a stock exhaust otherwise no other mods .....


why don't you just post the videos you already have. that IS what you just said, right? that you have "lots of video of him raping E46 M3s all day long!!"
POST EM.
the sensible people on this thread weren't arguing who WON, they were arguing who was really racing. i could smoke a new z06 if the other guy isn't pushing his car.
Maybe you shouldn't spend time on forums that you don't respect. bounce son :nono

Found my video of the M5 vs 350z with Nismo Exhaust and flywheel vs Modded WRX, encoding it. Should be up shortly.

Posted said video:

http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?p=6436781#post6436781

If you guys DO run I volunteer to be the camera car for the race, as there is also a 650rwhp TT 350z interested in testing out his headlights on my rear bumper. I can probably set up something for the same night.

I don't know about my car, but a lot of guys are running low 13s with 105+trap, STOCK. I would like to take it to the tracks, after a few more mods :)


Oh wow, I was just part way through reading this thread, but had to stop there and quote this one. Correct me if I'm wrong here, but I believe most Z's up until recently had 285 CRANK hp and now they have 300. Seems a little far fetched to get low 13's out of that. I would guess that an average sport car driver could break the 14 mark.

This is just my take on it. Never have I seen a 350Z go down a track, but just looking at the numbers, low 13's would almost seem impossible stock.

The creator of this thread and his "estimated dyno numbers" are ridiculous. I guarantee you get that thing on the dynojet and it doesn't put down more than 250rwhp.

Oh wow, I was just part way through reading this thread, but had to stop there and quote this one. Correct me if I'm wrong here, but I believe most Z's up until recently had 285 CRANK hp and now they have 300. Seems a little far fetched to get low 13's out of that. I would guess that an average sport car driver could break the 14 mark.

This is just my take on it. Never have I seen a 350Z go down a track, but just looking at the numbers, low 13's would almost seem impossible stock.

The new ones have 300 hp but weigh 200lbs more from my understanding.

hey brad if charlie comes down this sat to the meet (if there is one seems like there will be one) we should video tape the slaughter of both 350zs... i have a 3chip laying in my room waiting to tape some action

hey brad if charlie comes down this sat to the meet (if there is one seems like there will be one) we should video tape the slaughter of both 350zs... i have a 3chip laying in my room waiting to tape some action

Depending on the time..I work Saturdays...so we'll see what time the meet might be.

If in fact Sakred's Z makes virtually the same rwhp as an e46 m3, then he has one helluva strong motor to begin with. He is obviously a very good driver, and that's not the topic of debate. I would give Sakred the nod in a 1/4 mile race against an average driver in the e46 m3, but into deep triple digits, where driver skill takes less of a role, I would give the nod to the e46 m3.

As for the video, I saw it, and me along with everybody else (minus you and Sakred) saw the e46 m3 starting to catch up to Sakred. I don't really care that the car in question is an e46 m3-it has no bearing on me. I'm simply comparing them based on performance and what they are both capable of.

On top of everything else, what's so special about a MODDED 350z beating a stock e46 m3? Why not mod the e46 m3 similarly, or compare them stock for stock. It seems as if everyone and their mother who has a 350z think it is the fastest thing on the planet.

The one video where he cut off while the M3 was yes pulling on him was for a reason since and you were not there, I will enlighten you, A car was in front of him hence he slow'd down, no doubt at that time the E46 M3 had more power than him so if they would have continue'd I'm sure the M would have pulled even and past him in triple digits...


On top of everything else, what's so special about a MODDED 350z beating a stock E46 M3 .

That is exaclty my point, if you havent read atleast half the people on here called BS and thats who I'm calling out but we did also do this when the Z was somewhat stock and sakred got banned lol


why don't you just post the videos you already have. that IS what you just said, right? that you have "lots of video of him raping E46 M3s all day long!!"
POST EM.
the sensible people on this thread weren't arguing who WON, they were arguing who was really racing. i could smoke a new z06 if the other guy isn't pushing his car.
Maybe you shouldn't spend time on forums that you don't respect. bounce son.

Videos "SON" have been posted long before you were a member use search function and search member name "sakred". Wasn't racing??? from what stand point?? Of not being there and calling BS, that buddy is not sensible. Specially when, simply put, the Z is capable of taking down the E46 M3 with bolts ons and with retard drivers can do it with out em. Soo all I have left to say is put your money where your mouth is "son"!!

Actually mm28 on M3-forums who has a blue AA supercharged M3 was at bimmerfest at the AA booth can tell you how fast that Z is for reference, you don't have to belevie me, belevie the E46 M3 owner who raced the Z while all he had was an exhaust obviously before his supercharger....

we should video tape the slaughter of both 350zs...

You're pretty confident, got any friends with E46 M3s willing to run??

Your pretty confident, got any friends with E46 M3s willing to run??

I would run but CA is too far of a drive.

You're pretty confident, got any friends with E46 M3s willing to run??

I had someone but his car got stripped last week unfortunately.

The creator of this thread and his "estimated dyno numbers" are ridiculous. I guarantee you get that thing on the dynojet and it doesn't put down more than 250rwhp.

I know quite a bit about these cars, and I would have to agree. He is lucky if he is pushing 250whp. However, I have seen these cars (modded) take stock e46 M3's. Myself included in my G35. However, the one time I took one from a dig the guy in the M3 really did not know how to drive. I felt bad for him, he should of beat me.

This thread sucks almost as much as 350Zs
Thread needs to be locked and forgotten. If this guys car is ever in Norcal, I'll run him and post results.

This thread sucks almost as much as 350Zs
Thread needs to be locked and forgotten. If this guys car is ever in Norcal, I'll run him and post results.

aaaa yea, guys like you are prefect bait, and make halarious kill stories.... "M3s are the fastest cars in the world".... How old are you 16 or 17?

You're pretty confident, got any friends with E46 M3s willing to run??


This man doesn't lie. The Zs got the basic bolt-ons and is quite fast. I'm no Z-worshipper (in fact, I disliked them until I met Sakred), but I can definately give a nod where its due. I suggest someone with an E46 M3 bring their car down to Crossroads to see just how formiddable an opponent the car can be.

If this guys car is ever in Norcal, I'll run him and post results.
you'd get beat unless you have cams or lots of weight reduction.

you guys are underestimating the 350z by a long shot. I had the chance to drive hammad's car and i was very impressed. The car is not only fast but holy crap it can handle too!

the e46 is not as fast as everybody makes them out to be, sorry, that's just how it is. the 350z hammad has isn't even putting out that great of numbers. he had another Z before this that was putting down the same numbers he currently is (with his mods) stock! not only that but the Z weighs only 3200lbs compared to the portly 3400-3500lbs e46 M3.

also, another thing to mention: i have beat stock e46 M3s with my non-cammed e36 M3. yes, that's true. granted it was not by much, but it has happened more than once with different e46s.

i have also raced against hammad's 'super' Z and i can't beat him. he usually gets me by 1-2 cars.

of course none of this will matter to anyone who hasn't witnessed this. so whoever wants to see for themselves, he and i are always up for a race and i will more than likely be at the meet in torrance.

i was driving my friends E46 M3 (2003) and went up against a modded 350z on the freeway, another friend was in his new S4 - the S4 and I both took a diarhea (sp) on the 350z... i actually eased up so he could catch me so i could smoke him again - this was on the 118 socal

the only mod i saw was his exhaust and wheels - but exhaust should add some power

btw the E46 M3 got up to around 163mph (bone stock)

Posted said video:

http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?p=6436781#post6436781
hahahaha i dont think the 350z was really trying... he couldnt have been

Ok, so let me sum this thread up for those who don't want to read through all the pages:

"350z's are fast"
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"No they aren't"
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"Yes they are"
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"No they aren't"
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aaaa yea, guys like you are prefect bait, and make halarious kill stories.... "M3s are the fastest cars in the world".... How old are you 16 or 17?

I'm 26 and married, thank you. You don't know me, you quite obviously didn't bother reading my other posts in this thread. Go back and read my previous posts before you type something to me. Go read what I said about my M3 in this thread. I think the n/a E36 M3 is NOT fast by any stretch of the imagination. I do know that the E46 M3 will blow the doors off an E36 if it has a decent driver. The 350Z stock or bolt-on modded IS NOT FAST!!! Gimme a break, my M3 has 208whp and I've raced and beat 5 350Zs that were slightly modded and stock. There is no way this 350Z beat an E46 M3 in a real race. Not gonna happen, no way, no how.

I am simply saying, if this "monster" 350Z is ever in Norcal...let's settle this waste of space thread by doing a little friendly competition. I'm not saying that I will for a fact win either. However, if my car is even close....I still call BS. We'll videotape it.

Sweet simmons shots!
J worms were you racing convertibles?

Ok, so let me sum this thread up for those who don't want to read through all the pages:


"No they aren't"
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:lol :lol Exactly

ALOT and I mean ALOT of 350z owners think their cars are fast. I remember when I had my E36 M3, and this is no lie, I ran a modded 350z on the fwy. My E36 had intake and exhaust only. It was a dead tie. Absolutely a stalemate.

There is no way this 350Z beat an E46 M3 in a real race. Not gonna happen, no way, no how.


Sorry, bro but you are going to eat those words! and just to let you know I have beat every 350 Z I've raced whether at the drag strip or at a light except for this one but regardless like I've said before and few friends who have chimed in aswell this Z is fast as they come!

Ali

Sorry, bro but you are going to eat those words! and just to let you know I have beat every 350 Z I've raced whether at the drag strip or at a light except for this one but regardless like I've said before and few friends who have chimed in aswell this Z is fast as they come!

Ali
That's cool. If I am proven wrong...I will personally come and post that I was wrong on this thread in bold writing...size 5Like this.

most 350z on the road are automatic alot of m3 owners assume they are racing a manual.

you'd get beat unless you have cams or lots of weight reduction.

you guys are underestimating the 350z by a long shot. I had the chance to drive hammad's car and i was very impressed. The car is not only fast but holy crap it can handle too!

the e46 is not as fast as everybody makes them out to be, sorry, that's just how it is. the 350z hammad has isn't even putting out that great of numbers. he had another Z before this that was putting down the same numbers he currently is (with his mods) stock! not only that but the Z weighs only 3200lbs compared to the portly 3400-3500lbs e46 M3.

also, another thing to mention: i have beat stock e46 M3s with my non-cammed e36 M3. yes, that's true. granted it was not by much, but it has happened more than once with different e46s.

i have also raced against hammad's 'super' Z and i can't beat him. he usually gets me by 1-2 cars.

of course none of this will matter to anyone who hasn't witnessed this. so whoever wants to see for themselves, he and i are always up for a race and i will more than likely be at the meet in torrance.

You really think that you *should* be beating stock e46 m3s?

Frankly, I can't imagine how an e36 m3, with I/C/E/m50/lightweight flywheel is making enough power to beat an e46 m3. Do you logically think that you are trapping 105-106 mph in the 1/4 mile? If you aren't then you are beating the driver, not the car. I would be impressed if you made upwards of 240-245 rwhp with those mods, which is not enough to beat an e46 m3.

You really think that you *should* be beating stock e46 m3s?

Frankly, I can't imagine how an e36 m3, with I/C/E/m50/lightweight flywheel is making enough power to beat an e46 m3. Do you logically think that you are trapping 105-106 mph in the 1/4 mile? If you aren't then you are beating the driver, not the car. I would be impressed if you made upwards of 240-245 rwhp with those mods, which is not enough to beat an e46 m3.
actually if u do all those mods to a s52 M roady. I will pull pretty hard against the e46 m3. i was running neck and neck all the way to 110mph when i was stock. then he just got me up top. but weight plays a big role. since i weight in at 3060 stock

That's cool. If I am proven wrong...I will personally come and post that I was wrong on this thread in bold writing...size 5Like this.

Nice make sure you do it in bold and nothing less than size 5 or its not cool!!:D

hahahaha i dont think the 350z was really trying... he couldnt have been

He was, I was in the car, dyno'd at ~250whp.

Nice make sure you do it in bold and nothing less than size 5 or its not cool!!:D
I will...that's a promise. ;)

Sweet simmons shots!
J worms were you racing convertibles?
convertibles are easy pickings, i'm talking about the coupes

You really think that you *should* be beating stock e46 m3s?

Frankly, I can't imagine how an e36 m3, with I/C/E/m50/lightweight flywheel is making enough power to beat an e46 m3. Do you logically think that you are trapping 105-106 mph in the 1/4 mile? If you aren't then you are beating the driver, not the car. I would be impressed if you made upwards of 240-245 rwhp with those mods, which is not enough to beat an e46 m3.
good point and i have considered this as well. i don't really know what i'm trapping right now at sea level and i don't think it's the same or above the e46, but not too far behind either.

think about it... 240-245rwhp compared to 270-280rwhp of the stock e46 M3. with 300-400lbs of extra weight over me (my car is weight reduced somewhat) i would say it's a pretty decent match up.

these races have also not all started from a stop. I have raced them from a roll and have been able to keep up/stay ahead for the most part.

Wow... That M5 in the video was fast.
As for the rest of the thread. It is pretty nuts to suggest that it never happens that a 350Z beats an E46 M3. But in my opinion it is equally nuts to suggest that all things being equal, that it should happen.

A 350Z must seem "fast" to some of you E36 drivers, but it will not gain 6-8 trap speed mph with bolt ons, that's nuts. And even if it does, I don't consider cars in the 13s "fast" these days.

It seems as if everyone and their mother who has a 350z think it is the fastest thing on the planet.

I own a bone stock 350Z and I don't think that it's the "fastest thing on the planet". As a matter of fact, if you go to the 350Z forums, you'll see that most Z owners/drivers have a healthy respect for the E46 M3.

It is curious to me, however, that a car (like the Z) can be so uniformly hated and categorized with such a broad sweeping negative bias.

I own a bone stock 350Z and I don't think that it's the "fastest thing on the planet". As a matter of fact, if you go to the 350Z forums, you'll see that most Z owners/drivers have a healthy respect for the E46 M3.

It is curious to me, however, that a car (like the Z) can be so uniformly hated and categorized with such a broad sweeping negative bias.

I do not hate the Z, I actually test drove one (but didn't like it as much as I thought I would) I think they look pretty good, but there's just something missing. I'm sure if some 328i owners were signing up at the Nissan boards and saying they were beating 350Zs, you'd feel the same way.

This is just my take on it. Never have I seen a 350Z go down a track, but just looking at the numbers, low 13's would almost seem impossible stock.

Quite true. The fastest I've seen a stock Z run the 1/4 is in the high 13's (and that was with an awesome driver).

I've tracked the Z already, and in its stock form, it cannot run with even the Subies or Evos, let alone the E46s that were there. Any realistic Z driver will tell you the same.

You're pretty confident, got any friends with E46 M3s willing to run??
NOt confident... optimistic:D and yes i do and if he will let me drive or my friends drive his car i would be down... i will be at the meet in torrance and i will try and get my buddy with the e46 to run i really want to see what will happen.... i don't mind z's but yes i am bias towards bmws i know that thats why i wanna see this race... due to driveing e46's, they are fast as hell and i have a strong feeling the e46 will win... raced my friend in his z with a moded 96 m3 only exhuast intake and chip but the 350 had intake and exhaust he pulled on the freeway prob 2 cars real strong, but from a stop he didn't even work me that bad. mabey half a car.... but an e46 on the other hand walked away like no other just got bigger and bigger.

I do not hate the Z, I actually test drove one (but didn't like it as much as I thought I would) I think they look pretty good, but there's just something missing. I'm sure if some 328i owners were signing up at the Nissan boards and saying they were beating 350Zs, you'd feel the same way.

Cool.

To tell you the truth, I would believe it if someone said that a modified 328i beat down a stock Z. It's not that far-fetched, given how many variables are at play.

You're right. The Z is missing something: power/torque (ok, and the interior could be better, too). 260 lb/ft @ 4800 with a 3300 lb curb wt. just isn't going to cut it anymore, so until Nissan is able to revamp the Z, it's a middle-of-the-pack performer as it stands now, in stock form.

Modified Z's are a different story.

haha a z?? my uncle has a z and i kicked his ass when i raced my antique e36 against him...

dude, 350s are slow. the guy was an idiot or was just messing with you.

haha a z?? my uncle has a z and i kicked his ass when i raced my antique e36 against him...

dude, 350s are slow. the guy was an idiot or was just messing with you.

bring your car to torrance on saturday and find out how slow they really are.

now i really wish i lived in cali....id bring a z to race everyone, hell that'd be fun win or lose - someone NEEDS to post video...especially after 7 pages of discussion on this topic!

bring your car to torrance on saturday and find out how slow they really are.
don't waste your time with hnoppenburger, he's an elitist tool.

I won cuz I'm the juggernaut, bitchez.silly bitch do you know who the f**k i am

I have a M roadster, when i get my subframe fixed and if he comes to norcal I'll run him at the track.

now i really wish i lived in cali....id bring a z to race everyone, hell that'd be fun win or lose - someone NEEDS to post video...especially after 7 pages of discussion on this topic!

funny thing is that nobody will and even if somebody does, nobody will believe it still.

what you people don't seem to understand is that this isn't the first time this has happened. videos have been posted in the past of hammad beating e46 M3s yet still these threads get blasted away with this discussion time after time.

hammad has made believers before and if anyone actually challenges him (yes this means actually race him, gasp) they will 'see the light' too.

, I double-dog dare you to put your car on a dynojet right now. If you put down more than 260rwph I'll paypal you the price of the dyno run. Hope my childish "dares" are in your pre-adolescent terms.
illl take the dare i wana know what my car dynos stock:lol as long as you pay

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QFT

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One more for good measure.

ok i will tape anyone game enough come down. lol hey i will run for fun in my little old 325is... i ain't now e46

haha a z?? my uncle has a z and i kicked his ass when i raced my antique e36 against him...

dude, 350s are slow. the guy was an idiot or was just messing with you.

Is your uncles Z a AT or MT? If it is manual then he should beat you if your car is stock. Sorry to say, but the Z's are not slow.

^^Again, don't waste your time w/ hnoppenburger.

He'll bash anything not european.

More than an elitist, he's a car-rascist.

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Bring the fastest 350z in CALIFORNIA on saturday night and I'll show you how slow it is.

What kind of body kit do you have on the 350z? It's sweet? What kind of wheels?

What kind of body kit do you have on the 350z? It's sweet? What kind of wheels?

Not sure about the body kit, but I believe those wheels are Volk Racing GTC's

Bring the fastest 350z in CALIFORNIA on saturday night and I'll show you how slow it is.

O noooo not a 800 gillion rwhp supra it can't be!!!!

O noooo not a 800 gillion rwhp supra it can't be!!!!

LOL...I had to put that in there since everyone else was talking smack. :)

While a rediculously high hp Supra is nothing original... they're still BADASS!:stickoutt
There's something to be said about having a car that 99.9% of the sportscars on the road wouldn't be able to see after 10 seconds.

so brad you ditching work to come down?

You are the type of person that would try convincing me that your ricy body kit makes your car more aerodyniamic. I bet that thing starts to flap around at around 80, just dont lose it on the freeway, someone might die trying to swerve out of the way. I bet that if you put a bigger wing on, it would help you put that 290rwhp to the ground better and would give o about 6 tenths in 1/4.

But Im the troll right. Im not bitter Im laughing because you tried to bs your hp #'s. You then tried to tell me there are many people who run low 13's in stock z's lol. I told you find me one person who has done that. Go put your car on a real dyno or better yet go run the 1/4 mile and then talk. I honestly think you made the story up just like everything else.


350Zs dont run low 13s.....the best ive seen on the 350Z forum is about 13.6@103 maybe 104....i didnt even believe it at 1st but than they showed me time slips lol. shoot if u guys dont believe me go over there and look for yourself...

so brad you ditching work to come down?

I haven't seen anything posted about a meet, is it going down or what?

http://shark.nauticaltech.com/~mspiegle/ehrly.jpg
WOW, that's the best thing I've seen in a while:lol :lol

Don't be surprised if I use that in the future:D

well i have been told it is a ton of people have told me they are coming down but whoever started it hasn't taken charge so i am going to make a thread it will start at 900pm

Idk man this one is hard to believe.

well i have been told it is a ton of people have told me they are coming down but whoever started it hasn't taken charge so i am going to make a thread it will start at 900pm

Yeah that's not gonna happen. I can't get out of work.

Bring the fastest 350z in CALIFORNIA on saturday night and I'll show you how slow it is.

The fastest 350Z in Cali I believe is "Marluci7"s 715rwhp Z. In case you're interested...I would love to see it go down.

Anyways kinda OT...but how do the Supercharged E46 M3's run? I've been trying to look for one on the streets to run with but no luck...just curious how they run that's all.

The fastest 350Z in Cali I believe is "Marluci7"s 715rwhp Z. In case you're interested...I would love to see it go down.

Anyways kinda OT...but how do the Supercharged E46 M3's run? I've been trying to look for one on the streets to run with but no luck...just curious how they run that's all.

i can set you up with one if you like my friend has an AA stage 1 E46 M. hel be at the meet more then likely. but if not i can get you a race.

Hammad

i can set you up with one if you like my friend has an AA stage 1 E46 M. hel be at the meet more then likely. but if not i can get you a race.

Hammad


I wanna race him too

The fastest 350Z in Cali I believe is "Marluci7"s 715rwhp Z. In case you're interested...I would love to see it go down.

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Brad has 100+rwhp more than the 350Z ... he'd still walk away from it.

I'd love to see this video, though ...

Brad has 100+rwhp more than the 350Z ... he'd still walk away from it.

I'd love to see this video, though ...

somehow I doubt that......no offence, but it's not about the peak power...it's the powerband. Brad MAY win, but he wouldn't "walk away" from the Z with 500rpms of 800+hp.

As I said, it would just be interesting to see that's all. Love the Supras, love the M's, and of course the Z's. I'm just a general car enthusiast.

Lol. You're trying to imply that the 350Z would have a much better powerband? I'd love to see the video of that race.

yes I was implying exactly that. Doesn't matter to me though, either way, I would love to see that video as well. I just think it would be a good race.

ur 350z is ugly

how informational. Thanks. It'll blow your doors off though.

how informational. Thanks. It'll blow your doors off though.


meh i rather look good though.

i can spend 10k right now and run 10.99

i do have 10k sitting around too.

whats the point though

I DONT DRIVE A MUSTANG

350z = japanese mustang

I'm laughing at all of you insecure BMW LOSERS that are talking shit.

I'm laughing at all of you insecure BMW LOSERS that are talking shit.




i can buy 30 318 with the cost of my 750


wait im a bmw loser and a honda one too

It isn't a party without Vlad :rofl

It isn't a party without Vlad :rofl

aint no party like a vlad party cuz a vlad party dont stop so if u see a young in a 20000 s2k dont stop???

im crunk i give up

LOLOL a 750 and talking crap...that's just funny...it would be easy if we moved this topic to how much money I/you/he/she has...we could compare all day. But sorry, I just don't care for money...you're not the only one who has money laying around. ;) I just think my Z has reached a limit that I desire, and I'm going for more with my 997 turbo that's on order. Oh and yes I do think S2000's look good. But I also think the Z looks better though. Always thought the S drivers were cool...but guess there are bad potatoes in every basket hey?

Let's just get back onto topic here.

i love the 350z but it is the japanese mustang

alot of torque but wheres the soul?

the 350z looks like a frog or dog taking a crap. the lines are just too akward. teh s2k just pulled a 13.87 how many 350z can pull that with onlyone power mod? on top of tehat be able to hasve a drop drop? i thin the 350z vert is in the mid 14;s.

how many 350z can run 10.5? and be streetable? with head light? oh yeah and on street tires no slicks because our diffs suck and slicks would mess up our rear end.

any 850 whp 350z that arent full drag cars?

oh wait who has the tsuskba na record? s2k ....

who has the na record for most jdm tracks? s2k

bmw>honda>NISSAN WHEN IT COMES TO NA

i love bmw and honda so much cuz they just build great na engines.

the 350z looks like a frog or dog taking a crap. the lines are just too akward. teh s2k just pulled a 13.87 how many 350z can pull that with onlyone power mod? on top of tehat be able to hasve a drop drop? i thin the 350z vert is in the mid 14;s.

Are you nuts? Didn't you hear about all those 350Zs running low 13s stock?

Are you nuts? Didn't you hear about all those 350Zs running low 13s stock?

Ha ha ha... Oh yeah. I heard that. Smelled like bull poo to me though. :stickoutt

i love the 350z but it is the japanese mustang

alot of torque but wheres the soul?

the 350z looks like a frog or dog taking a crap. the lines are just too akward. teh s2k just pulled a 13.87 how many 350z can pull that with onlyone power mod? on top of tehat be able to hasve a drop drop? i thin the 350z vert is in the mid 14;s.

how many 350z can run 10.5? and be streetable? with head light? oh yeah and on street tires no slicks because our diffs suck and slicks would mess up our rear end.

any 850 whp 350z that arent full drag cars?

oh wait who has the tsuskba na record? s2k ....

who has the na record for most jdm tracks? s2k

bmw>honda>NISSAN WHEN IT COMES TO NA

i love bmw and honda so much cuz they just build great na engines.

I agree with almost everything you said that was fact, but forgive me, your "opinions" I do not agree with. Seems like you have a lot of knowledge about S2K's, but not Z's. I think the Z looks better. The S2k to me looks like an angry chickenhead on a soapbox. But it does still look pretty good though. If I wanted to stay N/A and have a weekend track car, I would have bought the S2K. But I wanted a daily driver with more torque, and a better looking car, so I got the Z.

And why are we talking about them in general? I though you started it by saying "your Z is ugly" without ever seeing my Z? Although you might say bmw>honda>nissan, and I don't agree with, at the end of the day, My cars>Your cars.

Ignorance is Bliss kid. I'm out.

I apologize, BMW forum members, for taking up your bandwidth on a stupid argument with a kid. You have a great forum, and I appreciate the info provided by most of the forum members.

Zguy

meh

I went back and looked at some of SAKred's old posts.. Beating a car running a 14.2 with a g-tech by 1.5 cars tells me this guy is probably running mid 14s in the 1/4 in reality (My stock STi ran a 12.8 on a g-tech at 106, at a track my best is a 13.3 @102 my best ever trap is a 104). E46 M3s dont run mid 14s with a good driver... and they are definately trapping a lot higher than a mid 14s 350z.

I am not believing a word out of another 350z owner until I see a 1/4 timeslip with a decent trap speed. The highest I've seen personally is a 106 (bolt-ons ran a 13.4) and if this guy is pulling M3s he better be doing a good bit better than 106mph.

I went back and looked at some of SAKred's old posts.. Beating a car running a 14.2 with a g-tech by 1.5 cars tells me this guy is probably running mid 14s in the 1/4 in reality (My stock STi ran a 12.8 on a g-tech at 106, at a track my best is a 13.3 @102 my best ever trap is a 104). E46 M3s dont run mid 14s with a good driver... and they are definately trapping a lot higher than a mid 14s 350z.

I am not believing a word out of another 350z owner until I see a 1/4 timeslip with a decent trap speed. The highest I've seen personally is a 106 (bolt-ons ran a 13.4) and if this guy is pulling M3s he better be doing a good bit better than 106mph.

One of the best posts in this thread so far!! I agree 100%.

Brad has 100+rwhp more than the 350Z ... he'd still walk away from it.

I'd love to see this video, though ...

There are more factors that go into it than just pure peak hp when racing at those levels. I think the drag coefficient is a good one... the Z definately moves easier at high speeds.

Also, where were all the E46 M3s last night? I hear lots of talking, but nobody is stepping up. There was a nice little turnout with some good runs.

somehow I doubt that......no offence, but it's not about the peak power...it's the powerband. Brad MAY win, but he wouldn't "walk away" from the Z with 500rpms of 800+hp.

As I said, it would just be interesting to see that's all. Love the Supras, love the M's, and of course the Z's. I'm just a general car enthusiast.

If you believe my car only makes good power for 500rpms, set up the race.. I know you're not bagging on me at all, but I'd love to show what it can do and race that fast Z in the process.

E46 M3 are very quick.

S2000, E36 M3, 350z, Evo, STI dont belong in the same sentence unless they have alot alot alot of mods.

Meanin for the S2000, E36 m3, 350Z CAMS,HEADER,EXHAUST,INTAKE,SOFTWARE,GEARING,TEST PIPE AND MOAR


STI and Evo arent all what they are cracked up to be when they arent at a redlight.

There are more factors that go into it than just pure peak hp when racing at those levels. I think the drag coefficient is a good one... the Z definately moves easier at high speeds.

I'm well aware that peak HP isn't the only factor.

The 350 will lose.

Brad MAY win, but he wouldn't "walk away" from the Z with 500rpms of 800+hp.


You're gonna be in for surprise if you think this ...

E46 M3 are very quick.

S2000, E36 M3, 350z, Evo, STI dont belong in the same sentence unless they have alot alot alot of mods. .

From a roll, I agree as far as the s2k, e36, and 350.. But about 1k in an evo is going to do the trick and about 1.5 in an sti will probably pull you even.



STI and Evo arent all what they are cracked up to be when they arent at a redlight.

Uhh yeah..

yeah an evo or sti plus 2k can maybe beat it from a roll.

ive raced alot of evo from a roll and have beat them.

modded one different story. i know the sti has a little better top end power.

E46 M3 are very quick.

S2000, E36 M3, 350z, Evo, STI dont belong in the same sentence unless they have alot alot alot of mods.

Meanin for the S2000, E36 m3, 350Z CAMS,HEADER,EXHAUST,INTAKE,SOFTWARE,GEARING,TEST PIPE AND MOAR


STI and Evo arent all what they are cracked up to be when they arent at a redlight.


wow you sir are just!!..... well now I understand why everyone rags on you, but there is video of "jworms" car in this kills section pulling on a E46 m3 with jus basic bolt-ons?? yes he pulled on him down low!! So stick 2 you're 2Ks

I went back and looked at some of SAKred's old posts.. Beating a car running a 14.2 with a g-tech by 1.5 cars tells me this guy is probably running mid 14s in the 1/4 in reality (My stock STi ran a 12.8 on a g-tech at 106, at a track my best is a 13.3 @102 my best ever trap is a 104). E46 M3s dont run mid 14s with a good driver... and they are definately trapping a lot higher than a mid 14s 350z.

I am not believing a word out of another 350z owner until I see a 1/4 timeslip with a decent trap speed. The highest I've seen personally is a 106 (bolt-ons ran a 13.4) and if this guy is pulling M3s he better be doing a good bit better than 106mph.

your baseing your answer on speculation on top of speculation. way to do it. i have ran a 14.2 at 3k elevation on a bad night. at a track where E46 Ms tend to run mid 14s all night long. i just recently raced a cobb stage 2 sti from a roll and he put a car on me. im sure hes trapping higher then you . i have yet to lose to stock sti or a near stock one. anyways its not even about drag times to me for the most part. im not power crazy and have to pull off that 11 sec pass. if that was the case i would have bought an evo. my car is setup for road racing and lets just put it like this subarus arent that great on the track RWD>>>AWD. but to each his own right.

Hammad

E46 M3 are very quick.

S2000, E36 M3, 350z, Evo, STI dont belong in the same sentence unless they have alot alot alot of mods.

Meanin for the S2000, E36 m3, 350Z CAMS,HEADER,EXHAUST,INTAKE,SOFTWARE,GEARING,TEST PIPE AND MOAR


STI and Evo arent all what they are cracked up to be when they arent at a redlight.

I belong in the sentence and i have a 325is :D

You're gonna be in for surprise if you think this ...

Agree. I wouldn't put my money on a 7xxrwhp car considering I put down 811 without even pushing it. I can easily put down 900+ on the street with 5 more psi of boost.

http://asuaf.org/~thatoneguy/cookie.jpg

your baseing your answer on speculation on top of speculation. way to do it. i have ran a 14.2 at 3k elevation on a bad night. at a track where E46 Ms tend to run mid 14s all night long. i just recently raced a cobb stage 2 sti from a roll and he put a car on me. im sure hes trapping higher then you . i have yet to lose to stock sti or a near stock one. anyways its not even about drag times to me for the most part. im not power crazy and have to pull off that 11 sec pass. if that was the case i would have bought an evo. my car is setup for road racing and lets just put it like this subarus arent that great on the track RWD>>>AWD. but to each his own right.

Hammad

your baseing your answer on speculation on top of speculation. way to do it. i have ran a 14.2 at 3k elevation on a bad night. at a track where E46 Ms tend to run mid 14s all night long. i just recently raced a cobb stage 2 sti from a roll and he put a car on me. im sure hes trapping higher then you . i have yet to lose to stock sti or a near stock one. anyways its not even about drag times to me for the most part. im not power crazy and have to pull off that 11 sec pass. if that was the case i would have bought an evo. my car is setup for road racing and lets just put it like this subarus arent that great on the track RWD>>>AWD. but to each his own right.

Hammad


Why all the drag racing for money then?:rolleyes

Why all the drag racing for money then?:rolleyes

where in that post does it say anything about money. not gonna lie iv done it but thats because some people are cocky and deserve to get thier money taken.

Hammad

So, lets analyze this thread for a moment.

First, it was about a guy in a 350Z who claimed to put a couple cars on an E46 M3 from 90mph to who-knows-what-mph.

Then, everyone started talking smack about 350Zs and how they're ALL slow.

Then, someone brings up Sakred/Hammad's Z. Multiple people call even more BS (despite video proof and the support of 3+ others who all have BMWs and no affinity for the Z).

BallZack/Ali offers challenge to ANYONE who wants to race the Z. Be at crossroads on Saturday night.

Brad makes mention that all 350Zs are slow and his supra will wipe the floor with "the fastest Z in california". Brad later mentions that he can't goto the meet because of work. Understandable.

The meet turned into somewhat of a short-notice thing where about 10-12 guys DID come down, but no E46 M3s that could race (explained later).

Jordan/xinline6x goes at it with a modded Mustang Mach1 at the "secret" spot. It seems that the Mach1 is faster, but given more time, the BMW might have caught up (high speed advantage). It was a very close race.

Jonathan/jworms goes at it with Jordan/xinline6x and it seems that the swapped 325 is a little faster.

There was a guy with an E46 M3 who showed up, but was not able to race. I believe the car was borrowed or something of that nature. Understandable.

Then we all head back to crossroads. Jworms and I raced a turbo'd civic and modded '02 Camaro SS. Jonathan beat the civic by narrow margins due to a bad launch and I put a bajillion car lengths on both cars.

To be honest, Sakred's car wasn't even at the meet. He had a header leak that I tried to fix, and we later found out that his headers were cracked. Very unfortunate, but no E46 Ms even showed up at the meet anyways.

So in conclusion, there is lots of talk and nobody stepping up to the plate.

where in that post does it say anything about money. not gonna lie iv done it but thats because some people are cocky and deserve to get thier money taken.

Hammad

It says nothing in the post I quoted, but there are posts in this thread about your 350z vs e46 m3 for money. Either way, if you built your car for 'road racing', wouldn't it be more gratifying for you to race the car you allegedly built it for, instead of a drag race to 100 mph? Why not challenge the e46 m3 to race you on a race track, not a drag strip, and use your car for what you said you built it for?

Either way, racing 13 second cars for money=pretty sad.

It says nothing in the post I quoted, but there are posts in this thread about your 350z vs e46 m3 for money. Either way, if you built your car for 'road racing', wouldn't it be more gratifying for you to race the car you allegedly built it for, instead of a drag race to 100 mph? Why not challenge the e46 m3 to race you on a race track, not a drag strip, and use your car for what you said you built it for?

Either way, racing 13 second cars for money=pretty sad.


LoL, just mentioning that his car is setup for road racing and he STILL beats people out in a straight-line is quite a compliment!

Sakred can answer for himself, but I know he's challenged and beated many people on a road course too.

It says nothing in the post I quoted, but there are posts in this thread about your 350z vs e46 m3 for money. Either way, if you built your car for 'road racing', wouldn't it be more gratifying for you to race the car you allegedly built it for, instead of a drag race to 100 mph? Why not challenge the e46 m3 to race you on a race track, not a drag strip, and use your car for what you said you built it for?

Either way, racing 13 second cars for money=pretty sad.

LoL, just mentioning that his car is setup for road racing and he STILL beats people out in a straight-line is quite a compliment!

Sakred can answer for himself, but I know he's challenged and beated many people on a road course too.

he has beat e46 M3s on a road course, as have i. i can provide video for that too if necessary.

in my personal opinion it's a bit easier to drag race a car (within reason of course) than to go around a road course in a quick manner. in other words, a miata isn't going to beat a new driver with an e46 M3 on a drag strip, but with a really good driver it may on a road course ;)

he has beat e46 M3s on a road course, as have i. i can provide video for that too if necessary.

in my personal opinion it's a bit easier to drag race a car (within reason of course) than to go around a road course in a quick manner. in other words, a miata isn't going to beat an e46 M3 on a drag strip, but with a really good driver it may on a road course ;)

I have seen the videos of your m3 against e46 m3s, and while I still find it hard to fathom it is that close, I won't argue that. If I had that e46 m3, I would have sold it immediately after that race you posted-it shouldn't be that close.

Road racing is indeed more challenging than drag racing. What I'm trying to understand is why someone would build a car for road racing, yet challenge all these cars to drag races to a certain mph, etc. I would use the strengths of my car in a race, and if it's built for the track, I would race it on the track.

I have seen the videos of your m3 against e46 m3s, and while I still find it hard to fathom it is that close, I won't argue that. If I had that e46 m3, I would have sold it immediately after that race you posted-it shouldn't be that close.

Road racing is indeed more challenging than drag racing. What I'm trying to understand is why someone would build a car for road racing, yet challenge all these cars to drag races to a certain mph, etc. I would use the strengths of my car in a race, and if it's built for the track, I would race it on the track.


because sometimes, you just want some sort of race. Its the easiest form of racing available to us. Our closest road course isn't terribly close. We have the local twisties/canyons (which we use sometimes), but the best we can do there is line them up in 1 lane and see if you can pull away from the guy behind you. If not, you lose. If so, you win.

Also, drag racing is more accurate to compare cars. On a road course, the advantage usually goes to the better driver. Many people have witnessed Sakred kick my ass in the twisties using an Infinity FX SUV! I'm embarrased to admit it, but it happened. He's a very good driver.

because sometimes, you just want some sort of race. Its the easiest form of racing available to us. Our closest road course isn't terribly close. We have the local twisties/canyons (which we use sometimes), but the best we can do there is line them up in 1 lane and see if you can pull away from the guy behind you. If not, you lose. If so, you win.

Also, drag racing is more accurate to compare cars. On a road course, the advantage usually goes to the better driver. Many people have witnessed Sakred kick my ass in the twisties using an Infinity FX SUV! I'm embarrased to admit it, but it happened. He's a very good driver.

Drag racing is a more accurate way to compare which car is faster. Racing from a stop is also a better way to see who is the better driver and whose car can hook the best. Twisties races on public roads are more a measure of who has the most balls/ who is the most dangerous. All I'm saying, is that if he built that car for road racing, then why not use it for what he built it for? I understand it isn't that convenient, but why not use it the way he intended to use it for?

Drag racing is a more accurate way to compare which car is faster. Racing from a stop is also a better way to see who is the better driver and whose car can hook the best. Twisties races on public roads are more a measure of who has the most balls/ who is the most dangerous. All I'm saying, is that if he built that car for road racing, then why not use it for what he built it for? I understand it isn't that convenient, but why not use it the way he intended to use it for?

that's what i was trying to say...he DOES use his car for road racing on a track, but like mspiegle said, it's just not as convenient as your typical street/strip drag race.

i typically spend at least $300-$400 on a typical road racing weekend at a not so conveniently located track. a straight line race costs...gas.

Drag racing is a more accurate way to compare which car is faster. Racing from a stop is also a better way to see who is the better driver and whose car can hook the best. Twisties races on public roads are more a measure of who has the most balls/ who is the most dangerous. All I'm saying, is that if he built that car for road racing, then why not use it for what he built it for? I understand it isn't that convenient, but why not use it the way he intended to use it for?


he does use it for what it was intended for, and he also does drag races. unfortunately, all the videos posted are only of drag races. He has road-race videos, but the kill-section is primarilly a rolling race or a race from a stop, so that's what we talk about.

Drag racing is a more accurate way to compare which car is faster. Racing from a stop is also a better way to see who is the better driver and whose car can hook the best. Twisties races on public roads are more a measure of who has the most balls/ who is the most dangerous. All I'm saying, is that if he built that car for road racing, then why not use it for what he built it for? I understand it isn't that convenient, but why not use it the way he intended to use it for?
i do for the most and im not going to restate whats already been said. also if you look in the thread i never really challenged anyone for money. it was my friend who challenged people without knowing my car was screwed up. there are poeple on these boards who are not owners of the cars in question who feel they need to defend it in hypothetical sittuations, when reality is brought into effect they tend to hide behind a bs flag. you cant changes someones point of view. that was never the objective. if anyone of those BS callers wanted to race they could have showed up i would have raced with cracked headers. i would love it if you people who own Ms would come to the track with us, especially brad with his supra we all know its fast on the highway but how does it fair on a track.


Hammad

Drag racing is a more accurate way to compare which car is faster. Racing from a stop is also a better way to see who is the better driver and whose car can hook the best. Twisties races on public roads are more a measure of who has the most balls/ who is the most dangerous. All I'm saying, is that if he built that car for road racing, then why not use it for what he built it for? I understand it isn't that convenient, but why not use it the way he intended to use it for?

First off, I was the one who challegend people for money that had nothing to do with sakred. I did it because I would rather take cocky E46 M3 owners money rather be proven right in the forum, actually this would have worked both ways for me but I digress the reason this came up is simple, thread starter made a claim modded 350Z with (X mods listed) vs what seemed like a stock E46 M3,,, XXX number of people jumped on it to call BS, but when it comes time to put thier money where they're mouth is all they can do is start talking out of they're A$$

Peace,
ALi

i merely skimmed this thread, but if anyone in the NC area is looking to put a 350Z up against a e46 M3, I'm game

the only first hand experience i have with one is at the drag strip, where i put plenty of lengths on him... however he could have been a crappy driver

win or lose, i really don't care... it's all fun to me