Does anyone know antything about the new one series and when it's comming to the US also what models and when. has anything new news been published lately that I'm not finding in the car mags.
I need a 130i bad

What about the 120d? I hear they are a better performer with better gas mileage? Sounds like the way i would venture, but thats my $.02

-Jeff

the d's never make it over here, especially if it's a good car.

our sulfer content is too high.


but if it did comeover I'd buy one when I got the money.

I need a 250 hp 5 dooor hatch that has a BMW roundel on the hood

As of next year our sulfer content will be the same as europe.

I have read that 2008 is the eta for the 1 series in the us.

pasted this from the mexico site. is anyone importing these or selling them gray market

Por favor, seleccione uno de nuestros modelos:

La lista de la derecha muestra todos los modelos disponibles para el BMW Serie 1, ya sea en versión automática ó manual.

Los precios en dólares americanos (US dlls.) no incluyen el costo local de transporte y están sujetos a cambio sin previo aviso.


Gama de Modelos Precio

120i manual $26,900.00

120iA $28,400.00

120i Dynamic Manual $28,700.00

120iA Dynamic $30,200.00

120i Style Manual $30,600.00

120iA Style $32,100.00

130i $40,400.00

damn thats dollars not pesos :(

There will never be a cheap BMW, it costs big money to design and manufacture cars that drive like this.

(I'm not saying they dont make money, but they are more about quality/performance than your run of the mill honda/toyota cars)

if it's under 30k i would definately get one. :)

40k is a lot for a 130, I think 32-35 would be a much better price target

at $5.00 a gallon whats the difference

Last year sources at BMW were telling the big car mags that the 130i would only cost about $25k if sold here in the states. Who in their right mind would pay $40k plus for a 130i when they could buy the E90 for that. Granted it may outperform an E90 330i but not by much and a very small market would buy the car at that price just for the marginal performance difference.
BMW knows they will need to sell the car for no more than $30 to get market penetration with what most of the BMW buying public considers to be a "cheap econo-BMW" like the ti from the E36 era.

at $5.00 a gallon whats the difference

Here, the difference between gas and diesel is almost $1,2/gallon.

Ive been driving these cars for over a year now. Bosch has had the 120d for diesel testing purposes and I detail all of their prototypes. The TurboDiesel is straight out FAST. It has a little bit of lag but once it gets rolling this thing is rocket fast. I cant even imagine what an aftermarket chip and exhaust would do to this thing. Does anyone know how hard it would be to import one from europe if you wanted to get the diesel in the US.

As of next year our sulfer content will be the same as europe.

I have read that 2008 is the eta for the 1 series in the us.

Yeah I know this thread is old but thats just the E87 forum...

I wanted to comment on this. I also thought in 2007 we'd get the same sulfur content as Europe...but actually ours will be far stricter than theirs...Currently ares are 500 ppm (parts per million) and theirs is 50...but our new one for "ULSD" ultra low sulfer content diesel will have to be 15! Fortunately, apparently I've heard that they've found a refining process that works that only has 7-8 ppm and so they can allow for additional unwanted parts added during transportation

Also...I saw "eta" and I'm like "this isnt the E30 forum" lol....but I know you meant E.T.A.

There will never be a cheap BMW, it costs big money to design and manufacture cars that drive like this.

(I'm not saying they dont make money, but they are more about quality/performance than your run of the mill honda/toyota cars)


But forget the one series - it was designed as a replacement for a ROVER 25 not as a BMW. When BMW sold rover (and kept Mini), they decided to give it a go and rebrand the new rover 25 as 1 series. It was designed as an alternative for a cheap vw golf and similar cars.

I'd still buy one, even if it started out as something else.

Current BMW's are really big. The 3 series seems as big as a 5 now.

Also theres no way I can afford a 3 and go to college...

But forget the one series - it was designed as a replacement for a ROVER 25 not as a BMW. When BMW sold rover (and kept Mini), they decided to give it a go and rebrand the new rover 25 as 1 series. It was designed as an alternative for a cheap vw golf and similar cars.

Please make sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth (or typing, in this instance). BMW washed it's hands off Rover years ago. The Rover 25 was based on a honda base-plate and the only common thing with BMW and that piece of garbage was the fact that BMW used to own Rover - the company -for a while - luckily they haven't for quite some years. Or if you are still of the above-stated opinion, I'd love to see your sources (I like laughing out loud.)

Let me enlighten you somewhat about the 1er:

The 3-series used to have Compact-model since the E36 and BMW saw a market-opportunity to slice it off as it's own series (good decision.) The E87 is pure-bred BMW design from start to finish - no compromises. It has over 40% part commonality with the E90 3-series, in fact (you can google this up from anywhere.) I have driven a manual 330i E90 for little under 10000 miles and between the two, I tend to prefer the 130i - it just handles more agressively, corners better and the cockpit is not as lame as on the E90, rather, things are still driver-oriented as they should be on a BMW - although not as perfectly as on a E46, but easily best interior of any new BMW's as far as that goes.

I just traded in my own 2004 E46 330Ci for a 130iM Sport. That should be an indication of how BMW this vehicle is.

Best regards,

Jussi P. Korkala

Jussi,
While BMW were still in posession of the defunct Rover brand, they planned a REPLACEMENT (replacement is a vehicle that 'replaces' NOT 'derives from') for the rover 25. That's how the current 1 series came into life. I bet you can find some information on this on the net - obviously BMW will not advertise this fact - it wouldn't help sell the car. The information I have comes directly from one of the people involved in the design of the car in question. And don't forget - it does take time to create a car from scratch - a new model doesn't come to life in a year - it takes much longer so it all started in early 21st century.
I suppose you have your own reasons for downgrading from a pretty car that handles superbly (330Ci) to a 1 series. I was unfortunate enough to drive a 120d for a few months last year. I hated every minute spent in the car. The beauty is in the eye of the beholder as they say and what pleases your eye is ugly to me (both the exterior and especially the dashboard). The sleek lines of the e46 coupe cannot be compared to the dwarf-like shape of the new 1 series. Besides, the new e90 isn't a pretty car neither....
I believe you had your reasons to part exchange your e46 and get the little dwarf on steroids as some people call the sporty 1 seties, I wouldn't touch the one series with a barge pole. I'd much rather buy an audi a3, at least that has the looks in and outside and much better quality.

Good luck with your car but don't forget it's just a modern golf gti equivalent. And don't feel like I'm getting at you!

And when it comes to the sales side, BMW are struggling (at least on our market) to sell the bloody thing - even with price reductions people don't want the dwarf BMW, it's more of a fiasco than the compacts. BMW got lucky with the new MINI but the 1 series doesn't seem to work in the UK, maybe the taste is different in Finland and it's a best-seller on your market.
Some manufactures should (IMHO) stick to the cars they've always been good at making and small hatchbacks have never been associated with BMW. Mercedes has the same problem with the B series - they just can't shift them. Another example is fiat - they foolishly launchaed a family-sized estate - croma and it just doesn't sell despite huge discounts and good levels of equipment. Fiat have always been associated with small cars and the Grande Punto sells well while fiat have sold an estimated 100 (yes a hundred) cromas in the UK in the past 12 months.

Just like to throw out that I fell in love with this car when I was in europe all summer... wish they had them out here.

Jussi,
While BMW were still in posession of the defunct Rover brand, they planned a REPLACEMENT (replacement is a vehicle that 'replaces' NOT 'derives from') for the rover 25. That's how the current 1 series came into life. I bet you can find some information on this on the net - obviously BMW will not advertise this fact - it wouldn't help sell the car. The information I have comes directly from one of the people involved in the design of the car in question. And don't forget - it does take time to create a car from scratch - a new model doesn't come to life in a year - it takes much longer so it all started in early 21st century.
I suppose you have your own reasons for downgrading from a pretty car that handles superbly (330Ci) to a 1 series. I was unfortunate enough to drive a 120d for a few months last year. I hated every minute spent in the car. The beauty is in the eye of the beholder as they say and what pleases your eye is ugly to me (both the exterior and especially the dashboard). The sleek lines of the e46 coupe cannot be compared to the dwarf-like shape of the new 1 series. Besides, the new e90 isn't a pretty car neither....
I believe you had your reasons to part exchange your e46 and get the little dwarf on steroids as some people call the sporty 1 seties, I wouldn't touch the one series with a barge pole. I'd much rather buy an audi a3, at least that has the looks in and outside and much better quality.

Good luck with your car but don't forget it's just a modern golf gti equivalent. And don't feel like I'm getting at you!

And when it comes to the sales side, BMW are struggling (at least on our market) to sell the bloody thing - even with price reductions people don't want the dwarf BMW, it's more of a fiasco than the compacts. BMW got lucky with the new MINI but the 1 series doesn't seem to work in the UK, maybe the taste is different in Finland and it's a best-seller on your market.
Some manufactures should (IMHO) stick to the cars they've always been good at making and small hatchbacks have never been associated with BMW. Mercedes has the same problem with the B series - they just can't shift them. Another example is fiat - they foolishly launchaed a family-sized estate - croma and it just doesn't sell despite huge discounts and good levels of equipment. Fiat have always been associated with small cars and the Grande Punto sells well while fiat have sold an estimated 100 (yes a hundred) cromas in the UK in the past 12 months.


I don't know where you got the idea that people don't like small BMW's. People try painstakingly to find clean examples daily. They're called E30's, and all the generations previous to it. Simple, few but sufficient features, lightweight, tossable. EVERYTHING a BMW was designed to be. Same for the 1 series.

I don't know where you got the idea that people don't like small BMW's. People try painstakingly to find clean examples daily. They're called E30's, and all the generations previous to it. Simple, few but sufficient features, lightweight, tossable. EVERYTHING a BMW was designed to be. Same for the 1 series.

Totally agree. Just listen to the forums and how everyone complains how the 3er is getting bigger and bigger. There's definitely a market and people pining for a smaller, more nimble BMW in the US.

I agree the new 3 is getting too big. Interior wise its not really much smaller than the 5. I think they should just revert to making the 3 series smaller as it once was and not bother with a 1 series though.

Jussi,
While BMW were still in posession of the defunct Rover brand, they planned a REPLACEMENT (replacement is a vehicle that 'replaces' NOT 'derives from') for the rover 25. That's how the current 1 series came into life. I bet you can find some information on this on the net - obviously BMW will not advertise this fact - it wouldn't help sell the car. The information I have comes directly from one of the people involved in the design of the car in question. And don't forget - it does take time to create a car from scratch - a new model doesn't come to life in a year - it takes much longer so it all started in early 21st century.
I suppose you have your own reasons for downgrading from a pretty car that handles superbly (330Ci) to a 1 series. I was unfortunate enough to drive a 120d for a few months last year. I hated every minute spent in the car. The beauty is in the eye of the beholder as they say and what pleases your eye is ugly to me (both the exterior and especially the dashboard). The sleek lines of the e46 coupe cannot be compared to the dwarf-like shape of the new 1 series. Besides, the new e90 isn't a pretty car neither....
I believe you had your reasons to part exchange your e46 and get the little dwarf on steroids as some people call the sporty 1 seties, I wouldn't touch the one series with a barge pole. I'd much rather buy an audi a3, at least that has the looks in and outside and much better quality.

Good luck with your car but don't forget it's just a modern golf gti equivalent. And don't feel like I'm getting at you!

And when it comes to the sales side, BMW are struggling (at least on our market) to sell the bloody thing - even with price reductions people don't want the dwarf BMW, it's more of a fiasco than the compacts. BMW got lucky with the new MINI but the 1 series doesn't seem to work in the UK, maybe the taste is different in Finland and it's a best-seller on your market.
Some manufactures should (IMHO) stick to the cars they've always been good at making and small hatchbacks have never been associated with BMW. Mercedes has the same problem with the B series - they just can't shift them. Another example is fiat - they foolishly launchaed a family-sized estate - croma and it just doesn't sell despite huge discounts and good levels of equipment. Fiat have always been associated with small cars and the Grande Punto sells well while fiat have sold an estimated 100 (yes a hundred) cromas in the UK in the past 12 months.

Again, as for the Rover 25 having anything to do with the E87, that is total garbage. Please, do show us the facts. The E87 was engineered together with the E90 to allow a high percent of parts commonality between them. I know a guy who lives in Munich and works for a BMW subcontractor and knows quite a bit about how the E87 was designed. It was designed to replace the E36/E46 3-series Compact, and has over 60% part commonality with the E90 3-series. As for the current 3-series, especially the coupe, it's just getting way too heavy, not sporty enough and the cockpit has been raped from the E46. I dislike the E90's looks on the outside, the E92 looks pretty good on the outside, but it's still terrible from the inside (no driver-centric cockpit) That's one of the reasons why I bought the 130i M Sport for now. I'll see if the new M3 delivers the goods that I've heard it should, and if it does, I might order it - and if I do, I might still keep the 130i because I love it.

Dumping my E46 330Ci "beautiful and well handling" was mostly an economic decision at this point, since the E92's came out, their prices will plummet (and already had somewhat.) Also, the M54B30 engine on the 330Ci was already 6 years old, and compared to the N52B30 Valvetronic 3 liter sixes, like on the 130i, it's a completely obsolete machine. On the N52, the torque starts as low as 2000rpm and pulls all the way up to 5-6k, on the M54 the torque really just started at around 5500rpm. There's no contest. Furthermore, even though it's much more powerful and gives out more torque, the N52 is more economical than the old M54, thanks to second generation Valvetronic. As far as handling, the 130i will outhandle the E46 330Ci any day. I just proved this with a few BMW friends of mine, other who still has a 330Ci and other who has a very tuned 330dA and we went to the track. This is a local track where the track record is (if I recall correctly) 1:30 exactly, and I was able to pull about 20 reliable 1:41-1:46 laps after a few test laps and rest in between. The 330Ci was doing 1:59-1:65 and the 330dA was the slowest (because of the automatic slushbox) with best time at 1:71. And this was with the shitty Pirelly Euphoria tires that come by default with the 130i - if there's something negative to say about the 130i, that would be the default run flat tyres. But next spring, they'll go with proper Pirelli rubber 225/40 front and 255/35 rear (18") and no runflat for me.

The more I drive the E87 130i M Sport, the more I enjoy it. The N52B30 engine is great under any hood, but under this one it's just like on the Z4 3.0si Coupe - but without the horrible electronic power steering, but with BMW's classic rack and pinion hydraulic steering on it. (First thing that M GmbH did to Z4 Ms was to remove the eletronic power steering and replace them with rack and pinion.) The 130i also has the second most rigid body of any BMW available, being only second to the Z4 Coupe. That coupled with a rigid M suspension and light weight makes it an incredible cornerer.

As far as current basic BMW models (not counting M-models, Z4 M Coupe really is the closest, that's how the E46 M3 "should have been", I concluded about test driving it for a little over 1500 kilometers.), the 130i is closest to the old E46 M3 (and I've driven many, with SMG and with manual, I prefer the manual) that you can get from BMW these days. The N52B30 is extremely rev happy on this car, and it goes to show that even the official 4th and 5th gear 80-120km/h times are just 0.4s and 0.5s less by default on the 130i than they were on the E46 M3.

As far as the looks, the upcoming 2-series coupes look better, and even a 2-door would look better, but I'm not looking at the car when I'm driving it. It's nice to have backdoors for quick loading of stuff from stores to the back seat. I'd never want to have a convertible with a canvas top (not in this country's weather), but if they made a hardtop version, that I might consider - unless they really keep the weight in control on the upcoming E92 M3. 1600kg's for the 335i E92 is just insane. No cornering fun with that, especially with no LSD.

I've clocked the 130i from 0-100km/h several times with a regular stopwatch and G-tech RR at 5.73s to 5.83s, depending on the fuel load (5.83s was with 3/4 full gas tank) (This with the default factory ECU, I'm soon getting a new ECU software soon that'll raise the RPMs by 400, bring the power to 210kW and torque to 340Nm)

130i is fast, agile, it's fun to drive, it's a real BMW for the whole money. I recommend you read the article "Born in green hell" from the BMW Magazine that just came out that details the 130i manufacturing and testing process on the Nordschleife. As far as it being another "VW GTI (you must have meant the R32, the GTI doesn't even come close to the 120d)", that's also a bunch of hogwash. Golf R32 (hottest thing they have) does Nordschleife in painstaking 8:55 min, the 130i handles it in 8:31. Which is just under 12 seconds less than the E46 M3. (M3 CSL did it in about 8:10, M5 does it in 8:05 and the M6 in exact 8:00) And as far as you rather buying an Audi A3. Do you know what it's built on? Exactly - Golf V baseplate. And it's definitely uglier on the outside, and Audis are always ugly on the inside. And even the fastest A3 sportback with DSG and Quattro loses to the 130i in power, torque and quarter mile times, quite significantly, due to audi's inferior V6 engines and the usual 20% power loss of the Quattro drivetrain when comparing engine performance vs. what's actually put out on the wheels.

You say you drove it yourself, maybe you had the terrible default interior and the default gearstick, but when you buy the M package and all the options that you'd normally buy on a BMW (Xenon's, pro Hifi etc.), it's full BMW enjoyment and great value for your money. It's even much quieter on the inside on high speed motorway runs than the E46 330Ci was (which was always annoyingly noisy at over 140km/h.)

Your Rover 25 story is by someone who was smoking crack. Rover and BMW were never integrated to the point that they would think of making models. And their story together was short, thank god for that. And I think the small Rover was also the smallest seller. It was a Honda with a Rover badge on it, 100% different suspension, parts, everything. Sounds like some daydream by a bitter Honda Civic Type R owner. Even the Mini doesn't have anything to do with the Rover fiasco - a completely new design. And as long as it's making money to BMW, I don't care if people want to buy them, I never would - you see, I gotta have RWD and I like that my car manufacturer has the word Motor on their name, as in Bayerische Motoren Werke. And the fact that they happen to come out with the best engines in practically every class of engine, year after year, generation after generation.

Now this is all I'm going to say on the "based on Rover" subject, as anyone with a half a brain or any googling will know, the E87 and E90 were a common development project, just like the E36 Compact and E46 Compact used to be with the rest of the E36's and E46's. Then there was some additional tuning done later to create the monster 130i, and about that you can read on the latest BMW Magazine, or I believe it should also be on their website, somewhere.

Best regards,

Jussi

And by the way, there'll be a 135ti (they'll take the old ti badge from the 323ti/325ti Compacts, apparently) with the N54B30 bi-turbo 3.0L gasoline engine in 2007, probably that's when the 2-door 1-series hit the market.

That one is seriously going to need an LSD, otherwise, it should be a blast if they manage to keep the weight to 130i'sh levels.

P.S.

Of course, my 130i has about 14.000+ euros worth of extra options, so your mileage may vary. I briefly tested one 116i and one 120d with basic options and the stick shift was terrible compared to the M short shifter and they didn't move forward when I pressed the gas pedal to the floor, and the white roof color (vs. Anthracite) and non-leather interior was also quite appalling.

But that's just typical BMW, you gotta shell out on the equipment if you want to be really happy with your car. That's why they have the car configurators on-line. Or you can go through them with your salesman.

But, I for one, am glad to have paid, because I am sitting behind the most enjoyable BMW that I have owned in quite a while. And even though I get to drive lots of test drives on other BMWs (every new make and model that comes to the biggest BMW dealer in Scandinavia gets automatically listed for 1 day for my test driving, more if I wish), my own car is always my own car.

Best regard,

Jussi

I checked and the BMW Magazine with the 130i special issue isn't online yet, but it'll be on issue 04/06, soon to be on www.bmw.com. Look for the "born in green hell" article.

Meanwhile, you can chew on this:

http://www.worldcarfans.com/news.cfm/newsID/2050831.007/page/1/country/gcf/lang/eng/bmw/2006-bmw-130i-in-depth

Jussi

How about a 135?

It's coming next year. What about it? I drove the 335iA Coupe, couldn't get much feel of the engine with the automatic tranny. Still waiting to get around to driving a manual (the local reseller isn't importing any manuals to themselves, only if you order one), with a manual, you'd get to feel if the engine really is a BMW-like one. The straight torque curve has me suspicious that it might not be as enjoyable as the N/A engines are.

Best regards,

Jussi

I'd still rather take the diesel over a gas car any day. The 120i boasted some spectcular numbers at the ring, and is a decently quick car around town, as well as a good highway cruiser, while all getting over 30 mpg.

the d's never make it over here, especially if it's a good car.

our sulfer content is too high.


but if it did comeover I'd buy one when I got the money.


Thats why you run biodiesel!

Spectacular numbers around the ring? Yeah, well that was the special M-sport version of the 120d that costs 95000 euros more (and won't be sold to you unless you have a racing license, and isn't street legal) and has a 100 liter tank, and it was a 24h race. The 130i has spectacular numbers on the ring per tour - 8:35 which is just 12 seconds less than an E46 M3.

Best regards,

Jussi