So, my friend got an 06 STI and has been talking so much crap since the day he got it. He has had it for about three months. It has an intake, exhaust and of course a blow off. We finish taking pics and have to go over this long bridge. This is my time to hand him his ass. We go from a 35 roll. On the third honk we were off. I instantly started pulling him. We went all the way through 4th gear, right when I hit 5th we stopped. I had him by an easy car and a half. It was awesome. I slowed down to ask him what happened and he would not roll down the window. We also went from a stop at a light. He got me off the start but I started pulling back and he stopped. It was awesome to finnally shut him up. YES!!!

what mods do u have?

what are your mods? is he a stick noob at all?

Your friend is an idiot and he doesn't know crap about STi's. First off, putting a BOV on an STi is a big mistake and a waste of money. He lost HP there and his car is running way too rich due to the air not being recirculated back into the system.

An intake on an STi really won't do that much and in many cases will actually hurt the performance since it could disrupt air flow and mess with the MAF readings. The stock intake is excellent and he should have left it as is.

What exhaust did he put on? A cat back only with no downpipe or a full turbo back? The cat back will only add about 10 hp at the most and a dp will up that number slightly. Either way it isn't very effective without a proper engine management system. That is where the big gains are in the STi and it is not wise to change the intake, exhaust and add a BOV without engine management. Bad things will happen to his car.

Anyhow, good kill. Luckily for you your friend did everything wrong with modding his car. He probably also doesn't know how to drive it and I would guess he runs each gear to redline before shifting which again costs him power and time. STi's should be shifted at about 6,700 in 1st and 6,200 for each gear after. If you ever look at a dyno chart you will see the power drops off dramatically after 6,200 rpms.

I have an AA CAI, Euro HFM, AA track pipe, AA Gen 3 Exhaust, Shrick cams, 24lb injectors, Turner software, UUC SSK, Full suspension, UUC tranny mounts. I think thats it for performance things.

Rogue M3, you entered that while I was typing. I know that and tryed to tell him but he won't listen. Honestly, I don't care, I'm glad it hurt him. I was just happy to beat him after all the shit talking he did.

Rogue M3, you entered that while I was typing. I know that and tryed to tell him but he won't listen. Honestly, I don't care, I'm glad it hurt him. I was just happy to beat him after all the shit talking he did.

Soem people just won't listen. I'm glad you handed him his ass too that is the only way some people will learn or maybe not...:D Keep beating up on him and he'll probably sell his car and buy something even faster like the Dodge Caliber SRT-4. :shifty

You can bet he'll always blame it on the car but for some reason he won't ever be able to find a fast one.

It reminds me of the old adage: The superior driver in an inferior car will always win and an inferior driver in a superior car will always lose.

The superior driver in an inferior car will always win and an inferior driver in a superior car will always lose.
words to live by.

I call BS...a stock STI should walk an e36 M alll day long.

I call BS...a stock STI should walk an e36 M alll day long.

Not when the M3 is fairly modded, and the STI lost power both by its "mods", and a n00b driver.

Also have to consider from a roll, which AWD is at a disadvantage.

Another thread which proves that E36 M3 > Life.

Another thread which proves that E36 M3 > Life.

I call BS...a stock STI should walk an e36 M alll day long.

With the kind of mods that cosmos 95 has, i dont think so.

Hah, you guys are crazy. With those mods that E36 is putting down a lot more WHP than that STI. STI's are quite quick off the line with the AWD, but they aren't gonna blow the doors of a 95 with those mods.

PS-I drive an STI. Yes, those mods are pretty worthless on an STI, but the same thing can be said about most E36 mods as well. We all still do them though, don't we?

Also have to consider from a roll, which AWD is at a disadvantage.

That's a fallacy. I don't see the 996TT being hindered in any way by its AWD, or even a 3000GT VR-4 for that matter. What you're not realizing is that the Evo and the STi (STI for 2006), both are designed to taper their boost in higher gears, hence the disadvantage from a roll. A boost controller that allows each car type to hold boost usually can take care of that issue.

I love both cars, but there is no way you can compare both an M3 and a STI, the M3 was designed for the streets, while the STI or EVO and so on are rally inspired. Wanna make it a fair race, why dont you rally a STI?

I call BS...a stock STI should walk an e36 M alll day long.
I call BS on this post.:shifty

I love both cars, but there is no way you can compare both an M3 and a STI, the M3 was designed for the streets, while the STI or EVO and so on are rally inspired. Wanna make it a fair race, why dont you rally a STI?
Actually, no. How is that fair? We all drive on the street, he bought his STI for the street. Anways, I have a feeling that if his friend drove his car on a rally course, he would fly off a cliff and die somewhere along the way down. :devillook
That's like an M3 challenging a hummer to a race through 3' mud...losing...then saying it wasn't fair because M3s aren't made for the mud....get where I'm going.;)

I love both cars, but there is no way you can compare both an M3 and a STI, the M3 was designed for the streets, while the STI or EVO and so on are rally inspired. Wanna make it a fair race, why dont you rally a STI?

Wow. Best post ev4r.

Does that mean I can't race a dumptruck unless I put some trash in my back seat.

To say that an STi or Evo are for rallies only is very short sighted. If you look at the fundamental requirements of a rally car, or any type of race car for that matter, you will see that the STi is well suited for either.

It possesses a lot of power and short tight gear ratios enables the car to power out of tight corners even at low speeds. It has sharp, precise steering and powerful brakes. It also has balance and poise and a ton of grip. But to say that an STi is for rallies only is like saying a Porsche 959 is only suitable for rallies since it won the Paris-Dakar rally. Racing, regardless of the surface, requires a certain blend of characteristics.

The STi and the M3 are similar in that the sole reason for their existence is to race. These are not mere pedestrian forms of transportation, they are very well enginered cars with outstanding track capabilities. Neither, however, were designed to be drag racers. They will both give respectable times for a road car but if you truly want a drag racer then buy an 03/04 Cobra or something of that nature.

Hah, you guys are crazy. With those mods that E36 is putting down a lot more WHP than that STI. STI's are quite quick off the line with the AWD, but they aren't gonna blow the doors of a 95 with those mods.

PS-I drive an STI. Yes, those mods are pretty worthless on an STI, but the same thing can be said about most E36 mods as well. We all still do them though, don't we?
the E36 M3 has more whp than the STi? ummm do you realize that the STis are putting down >250whp? I highly doubt the M3 has the hp advatage..... more like the driver advantage.

on STi (as stated by Rogue M3)... most intakes are pointless (not all), catback is decent for 10hp gain, and BOV just hurts the car's a/f when lifting off the gas from the lack of recirc.

help me... i see alot of ignorance in this thread

the E36 M3 has more whp than the STi? ummm do you realize that the STis are putting down >250whp? I highly doubt the M3 has the hp advatage..... more like the driver advantage.

on STi (as stated by Rogue M3)... most intakes are pointless (not all), catback is decent for 10hp gain, and BOV just hurts the car's a/f when lifting off the gas from the lack of recirc.

help me... i see alot of ignorance in this thread


Have you dynoed an STI? Stock, I have never heard of or seen one putting out more than 250awhp. Most of the STI's are putting down ~240awhp on dynojet dynoes. Granted this is for the 2005 model years, but I highly doubt the 2006's are putting down 10+awhp more.

It's not rocket science driving a stick shift. In fact, the STI is easier to shift and blow through the gears than an E36. The M3 won, let it go.

Have you dynoed an STI? Stock, I have never heard of or seen one putting out more than 250awhp. Most of the STI's are putting down ~240awhp on dynojet dynoes. Granted this is for the 2005 model years, but I highly doubt the 2006's are putting down 10+awhp more.

It's not rocket science driving a stick shift. In fact, the STI is easier to shift and blow through the gears than an E36. The M3 won, let it go.
yes, I have indeed. MANY of my friends are in STis of different states. Even dynoed a '05 and '06 back to back for comparison. I work with STis more than I work with my own car (which is ALOT).

A friend dynoed 255awhp bone stock. Also, on the back to back, we noticed a little more midrange torque in the '06 than the '05. He is now making 310/350 on the stock turbo with no water injectoion or tricks. Just good parts and good tuning. He is thinking of running water/alky injection (doesn't want to leave SCCA BSP) and getting up closer to the 350/400 mark on the stock turbo.

As with all cars, there will be variation in the output of the car, dyno, etc.

Trust me, I have no doubt that a modded M3 can beat a poorly modded STi with a subpar driver. My problem is dumb statements made about awd holding a car back, and the STi (production road car) was meant for rally and not for the street, and how a stock STi would beat any E36, ec.

There are alot of dumb statements on both sides.

the E36 M3 has more whp than the STi? ummm do you realize that the STis are putting down >250whp? I highly doubt the M3 has the hp advatage..... more like the driver advantage.

on STi (as stated by Rogue M3)... most intakes are pointless (not all), catback is decent for 10hp gain, and BOV just hurts the car's a/f when lifting off the gas from the lack of recirc.

help me... i see alot of ignorance in this thread

i think you forgot to keep in mind the mods involved on part of the m3 (AA CAI, Euro HFM, AA track pipe, AA Gen 3 Exhaust, Shrick cams, 24lb injectors, Turner software) he is probably putting up close to 270-280.

i think you forgot to keep in mind the mods involved on part of the m3. with schrick cams with the proper management he is probably putting up close to 270-280.
he is on schrick cams and off the shelf hardware on a 3.0, I bet its about 240rwhp.

have you looked at my mods? if you give me a track pipe we are about the same and I was dyno tuned by NickG and was at 245rwhp after correction, smoothing, hot day, blah blah blah

270-280rwhp with those mods would be freakish.

Those are some quality upgrades to the M3 and I am not surprised he won, but they are certainly in the same league. Anything much over 250whp on a 3.0 involves some extra work, ie headers, porting, etc.

Wow! I did not expect this to happen. I just wanted to post a kill. Whether you belive me or not I don't care. I won and that is all I care about.

JbgotM- Do you not believe me? I will try to race him again and get it on video.

Wow! I did not expect this to happen. I just wanted to post a kill. Whether you belive me or not I don't care. I won and that is all I care about.

JbgotM- Do you not believe me? I will try to race him again and get it on video.

Trust me, I have no doubt that a modded M3 can beat a poorly modded STi with a subpar driver.

I have no reason to not believe you. If you were stock, it would be a tough sell, but a mdded M3 walking a STi with what sounds to be a newb driver sounds completely plausible.

i think you forgot to keep in mind the mods involved on part of the m3 (AA CAI, Euro HFM, AA track pipe, AA Gen 3 Exhaust, Shrick cams, 24lb injectors, Turner software) he is probably putting up close to 270-280.

This is entirely incorrect.

Even with a very aggressive tune, he'd be lucky if he's at 235-240rwhp. On my 95 M3, I had more mods than him: a crank pulley(nice gains), headers and a bored TB on top of everything he has on his car and I was at 242rwhp with a really smooth tune. Most guys are averaging 240-250 with those mods.

There are only a handful of guys in the NA 270-280rwhp range and they have a lot more work done than that. I'm talking ported/polished head, different pistons/rods, valve job, standalone, custom headers etc.

With just bolt-ons, cams and a tune, you're not even close to 270rwhp.

yes, I have indeed. MANY of my friends are in STis of different states. Even dynoed a '05 and '06 back to back for comparison. I work with STis more than I work with my own car (which is ALOT).

A friend dynoed 255awhp bone stock. Also, on the back to back, we noticed a little more midrange torque in the '06 than the '05. He is now making 310/350 on the stock turbo with no water injectoion or tricks. Just good parts and good tuning. He is thinking of running water/alky injection (doesn't want to leave SCCA BSP) and getting up closer to the 350/400 mark on the stock turbo.

As with all cars, there will be variation in the output of the car, dyno, etc.

Trust me, I have no doubt that a modded M3 can beat a poorly modded STi with a subpar driver. My problem is dumb statements made about awd holding a car back, and the STi (production road car) was meant for rally and not for the street, and how a stock STi would beat any E36, ec.

There are alot of dumb statements on both sides.

Well, I believe you. Those are good numbers, considering the few that I have seen have been in the 240's. More midrange torque on the 06's must mean that they have a serious pull, cause the 05's really do torque quite well in the midrange. Cheers.

dude i wouldnt even race him if i had a 10 psi m3.
jap rigs are toys and should be treated as such.

dude i wouldnt even race him if i had a 10 psi m3.
jap rigs are toys and should be treated as such.
go to an auto-x and get your butt beat by lots of japanese cars, then try to have some dumb elitist attitude.

The owner of this car wants me to drive this at Nationals....think you could keep up?

http://www.scoobysouth.net/SCCA005.jpg

dude i wouldnt even race him if i had a 10 psi m3.
jap rigs are toys and should be treated as such.
Umm...ok?

I for one am happy you beat him, thats one less Subaru driver that I have to worry about talkin crap about how fast their car is.

dude i wouldnt even race him if i had a 10 psi m3.
jap rigs are toys and should be treated as such.
sti,evo, supra, 300zxtt, s2000..do i need to keep on going > you

dude i wouldnt even race him if i had a 10 psi m3.
jap rigs are toys and should be treated as such.

:lol

So ignorant... ;)

dude i wouldnt even race him if i had a 10 psi m3.
jap rigs are toys and should be treated as such.

:lol Oh man, you are quite the ignorant. Seriously, every time you post, you manage to post something stupider. You should just do yourself and everyone a favor and not post anything anymore.

dude i wouldnt even race him if i had a 10 psi m3.
jap rigs are toys and should be treated as such.

Guys like this make people think all BMW drivers are arrogant and ignorant asses. We've all heard the joke about BMWs and porcupines, right? :rolleyes

:laugh Nah, you just have more money to spend than I do.

I keed!

why's port&polishing so important?

^Cause it makes you go FAST!!!!

im gonna jump on the BS wagon too...sorry

I've said it before, stock 06 STI's are quick 0-80 and then the power really dies off. One of my clients has one and honestly, I was disappointed by it's performance. I was expecting quite a bit from it and it just never delivered. I'm sure once he does a few mods, it'll really pick up, but if what he had done to his car wasn't done right, it might even be worse.

dude i wouldnt even race him if i had a 10 psi m3.
jap rigs are toys and should be treated as such.

I've been to plenty of auto-x events where well driven miatas would hand him his ass.

I've said it before, stock 06 STI's are quick 0-80 and then the power really dies off. One of my clients has one and honestly, I was disappointed by it's performance. I was expecting quite a bit from it and it just never delivered. I'm sure once he does a few mods, it'll really pick up, but if what he had done to his car wasn't done right, it might even be worse.
Are you sure its not being jaded to power and speed? I know I am. When I get in an STi they don't feel fast anymore, and neither does my own car. Its s different story when I put someone in a STi that says they are into cars, but doesn't ride in quick cars often. They are usually surprised at how fast the car is and how it has good top end (compared to what people expect of a 4-banger). The car bone stock puts down very good times on par with the other top sprts cars that are at a reasonable price. The feeling of "fast" is very relative.

I've been to plenty of auto-x events where well driven miatas would hand him his ass.
yeah there is a miata locally that I haven't been able to beat yet in my first few events after moving down here. 290whp and 2300# is hard to beat in a 250whp and 3000# roadster. That miata keeps taking FTD.

:buttrock - I always loved the fact that this board has some well grounded members and not high on their car brand. Keep up the honest comments and facts guys it's appreciated, and goes a long way to contributing VS stroking egos. Stock Sti's on the average dyno about 240-250 awhp, for what it's worth.

he is on schrick cams and off the shelf hardware on a 3.0, I bet its about 240rwhp.

have you looked at my mods? if you give me a track pipe we are about the same and I was dyno tuned by NickG and was at 245rwhp after correction, smoothing, hot day, blah blah blah

270-280rwhp with those mods would be freakish.

So all I have to do to gain 4 rwhp is to get cams, and full exhaust? SWEET!


:shifty

And for what its worth, at the track, my friend in his stock EVO VIII pulls slowly away from me in the straights, in which he's also getting on the gas sooner than me after a sharp 180* cause of the AWD (I would fishtail if I layed it dow as early as he). He's also a GREAT driver. ((I'm guessing EVO's and STi's are close to being as fast as eachother))

Honestly he beat the driver not the car even if the cars made the exact same power other things to consider. Gearing which is composed of many components, tranny, diffs and the list goes on then take into consideration weigh and drag for higher speeds.

Sweet Ride Nice Kill

So all I have to do to gain 4 rwhp is to get cams, and full exhaust? SWEET!


:shifty

And for what its worth, at the track, my friend in his stock EVO VIII pulls slowly away from me in the straights, in which he's also getting on the gas sooner than me after a sharp 180* cause of the AWD (I would fishtail if I layed it dow as early as he). He's also a GREAT driver. ((I'm guessing EVO's and STi's are close to being as fast as eachother))
it dpends on alot of factors, and you also have a crank pulley. When I was basically stock except for a shark injector, I put down 226/232 and a 95 M3 with lots of bolt ons and cams made a whopping 235rwhp about 10 minutes later. I bet if you added cams and track pipe you would tip about 250. The cams arent' really that hot and don't really make alot of power.

As for the Evos, those have differences too. I was just on shark injector when I ran my buddy's stock Evo 8. We were dead even on highway pulls. Mitsu changed the hotside of the tubo on teh eVo and started making more power in the later Evo 8's but never advertised any more power, but they got quicker.

Sweet Ride Nice Kill!

it dpends on alot of factors, and you also have a crank pulley. When I was basically stock except for a shark injector, I put down 226/232 and a 95 M3 with lots of bolt ons and cams made a whopping 235rwhp about 10 minutes later. I bet if you added cams and track pipe you would tip about 250. The cams arent' really that hot and don't really make alot of power.

As for the Evos, those have differences too. I was just on shark injector when I ran my buddy's stock Evo 8. We were dead even on highway pulls. Mitsu changed the hotside of the tubo on teh eVo and started making more power in the later Evo 8's but never advertised any more power, but they got quicker.


I believe it's a 10.5 hotside...;)

I have an AA CAI, Euro HFM, AA track pipe, AA Gen 3 Exhaust, Shrick cams, 24lb injectors, Turner software, UUC SSK, Full suspension, UUC tranny mounts. I think thats it for performance things.


Trust me i do believe you & not believe you in a way because your saying he has some mods on his STi as well, with the mods he has on his STi vs your mods i just can't see you pulling a new 06 STi, very hard to say, but i'm not calling you a lier..Because a stock 06 STi actually keeps up with a 03/04 SVT Cobra from stop & i know you can't pull a 03/04 Svt cobra..

dude i wouldnt even race him if i had a 10 psi m3.
jap rigs are toys and should be treated as such.


You no nothing about japanese cars buddy...not a single clue.. lmao...**weirdo**

You no nothing about japanese cars buddy...not a single clue.. lmao...**weirdo**

know*

That's a fallacy. I don't see the 996TT being hindered in any way by its AWD, or even a 3000GT VR-4 for that matter. What you're not realizing is that the Evo and the STi (STI for 2006), both are designed to taper their boost in higher gears, hence the disadvantage from a roll. A boost controller that allows each car type to hold boost usually can take care of that issue.

From a roll, AWD cars are at a disadvantage because takes more power to drive all 4 wheels=more drivetrain loss. From a stop though, the AWD is at an advantage because it establishes traction.

I believe it's a 10.5 hotside...;)
yeah, thats what I thought I remembered, I just didin't want to say it without being sure and was too lazy to look it up and confirm. :az

From a roll, AWD cars are at a disadvantage because takes more power to drive all 4 wheels=more drivetrain loss. From a stop though, the AWD is at an advantage because it establishes traction.
the problem is that many people seem to think that somehow an AWD drivetrain is more inefficient at higher speeds than it is down low.

If you are talking similar whp to whp, then there is no "downfall".

the problem is that many people seem to think that somehow an AWD drivetrain is more inefficient at higher speeds than it is down low.

If you are talking similar whp to whp, then there is no "downfall".


Dude I gain more respect for you each time you post, ever since your rundown on a stg 2 Sti vs your car. I actually walk away learning more about BMW's and a bit more informed with each of your posts!!! As he said Awd does not lose anymore on a roll, it's simple drivetrain loss. The actual hp is the same across the boards, 250 awhp is at all speeds, and stop.:eyecrazy

Race again but film it, it will answer all the questions ;) that 06Sti def. should had won by the way. but like I said, lets see it on tape!

Dude I gain more respect for you each time you post, ever since your rundown on a stg 2 Sti vs your car. I actually walk away learning more about BMW's and a bit more informed with each of your posts!!! As he said Awd does not lose anymore on a roll, it's simple drivetrain loss. The actual hp is the same across the boards, 250 awhp is at all speeds, and stop.:eyecrazy
thanks. Most of my friends are still baffled by the fact that I don't own a STi and have kept my roadster all this time. I will admit, ever since I moved from Ohio, I REALLY miss working on and racing (driving) a good friend's Evo. Its a great performer.

You know, I should get a couple friends together and video me walking 1 or 2 of them and a few of them walking me. Thankfully, now with the 3.73, I stand more of a fighting chance.

Man that's funny.

The STI Didn't stand a chance, because it's motor was full of water.

Isn't that great?! BTW nice rims^ hahaha

I call BS...a stock STI should walk an e36 M alll day long.
what the heck r u smoking?

Smoke, no. Pull,especially the 07s..yes. This thread is a year old

so did you guys ever race agian?

Actually I racing him recently. He now has full 3" exhaust (with electric dump) and intake. We raced from a dead stop twice and a 2nd gear roll once. From the dead stop we were dead even till 2nd, then I just pulled him. When we raced from a 2nd gear roll, I instantly pulled him all the way through 4th. I want to race him on film. I'll see what I can do.

I call mega BS unless he can't drive with a jellybeens.

nice my friend has a sti and he was also talking it all up and he thought me could beat me(and i have a S/C), but he is selling it cuase it is to fast for him and he does not want to get in trouble(isn't that the gayest thing you have ever heard), but again it is nice to shut AWD people up sometimes

nice my friend has a sti and he was also talking it all up and he thought me could beat me(and i have a S/C), but he is selling it cuase it is to fast for him and he does not want to get in trouble(isn't that the gayest thing you have ever heard), but again it is nice to shut AWD people up sometimes

..and nice of you to talk smack on your "friend" on an internet forum. :stickoutt

I call BS...a stock STI should walk an e36 M alll day long.

lol...at what altitudes? Not everyone lives in the mountains.

I still can't believe people think a stock STi or Evo are faster than a lightly modded M3, not to mention one with cams?


I have beaten several STi's from a roll and have stayed even or pulled on stockish ones on the straights on road courses (DE3, so yes, they knew how to drive). And my friend with an equally fast 98 M3 just wooped on a stock Evo the other night.

These aren't super cars people:lol

great kill, dont listen to all the hater's. Your is making at the motor what a stock sti makes at the motor, except you dont have awd raping the power away from you. Nice kill, now get a Ts kit on your car, and rape all the other Sti lovers out there. :D

yes, I have indeed. MANY of my friends are in STis of different states. Even dynoed a '05 and '06 back to back for comparison. I work with STis more than I work with my own car (which is ALOT).

A friend dynoed 255awhp bone stock. Also, on the back to back, we noticed a little more mid-range torque in the '06 than the '05. He is now making 310/350 on the stock turbo with no water injection or tricks. Just good parts and good tuning. He is thinking of running water/alky injection (doesn't want to leave SCCA BSP) and getting up closer to the 350/400 mark on the stock turbo.

As with all cars, there will be variation in the output of the car, dyno, etc.

Trust me, I have no doubt that a modded M3 can beat a poorly modded STi with a subpar driver. My problem is dumb statements made about awd holding a car back, and the STi (production road car) was meant for rally and not for the street, and how a stock STi would beat any E36, ec.

There are alot of dumb statements on both sides.

I just wanted to say that the difference in power you saw between the '05 and '06 STi was due to variation of the motors build as the '05 and '06 motor, turbo, gearing, and ratios are the same. The '06 transmission is different than the '05, it' shorter with thinner gears. One of the variations can be in the boar and piston size. Subaru has 2 sizes of piston to match the boar sizes, A and B. I don't remember the exact measurement of what makes and A vs. B. just a little info for fun in a silly thread.

I guess I should run my '06 aginst my ///M...lol. You guys are funny, my STi would rock my ///M in a straight line. Heck, a Stg-II level (TBE and Proper Tune) will walk a E46 M3. Evo's that are properly tuned (very few are) with a TBE, don't even bother unless you are force fed.

Rob

Wow. Best post ev4r.

Does that mean I can't race a dumptruck unless I put some trash in my back seat.


:D ftw:alright

Nice kill. Why is this so hard to believe. I was dead even with an Evo IX from 15-100 in my bone stock 96 M3.....he won, let it go.

I call BS...a stock STI should walk an e36 M alll day long.

I dont know much about m3's since i just bought mine but i do know that i raced a brand new STI already in my e46 and let me tell you it was fast as hell stock for stock its comparable. This is my first non-turbo RWD sports car, ive owned a 91 eagle talon TWI AWD and i still own a Dodge Stealth R/T Twin Turbo AWD and this guy i raced knew how to drive and launch his car. I raced him on and off down rt. 59 in my area and the first was from like 60-130 which i was only a little less then half a car on him and the 2nd time was from a dig which i really didnt know how to launch because i only picked the car up like 2 days prior to the race. He launched and shot out the hole and i just let it easy off the line, he missed 2nd then i reeled him in and caught up then he hit his gear and we were dead even until we shut down at 80. I dont think i had my sport button on but im not sure if that would make a difference if i was already full throttle or not.

Your friend is an idiot and he doesn't know crap about STi's. First off, putting a BOV on an STi is a big mistake and a waste of money. He lost HP there and his car is running way too rich due to the air not being recirculated back into the system.

An intake on an STi really won't do that much and in many cases will actually hurt the performance since it could disrupt air flow and mess with the MAF readings. The stock intake is excellent and he should have left it as is.

What exhaust did he put on? A cat back only with no downpipe or a full turbo back? The cat back will only add about 10 hp at the most and a dp will up that number slightly. Either way it isn't very effective without a proper engine management system. That is where the big gains are in the STi and it is not wise to change the intake, exhaust and add a BOV without engine management. Bad things will happen to his car.

Anyhow, good kill. Luckily for you your friend did everything wrong with modding his car. He probably also doesn't know how to drive it and I would guess he runs each gear to redline before shifting which again costs him power and time. STi's should be shifted at about 6,700 in 1st and 6,200 for each gear after. If you ever look at a dyno chart you will see the power drops off dramatically after 6,200 rpms.

I learned a lot here and laughed even more for this dudes friend

this sounds very similar to a story i have. same cars sti had same stuff. the sad thing was that my car was stock, i only had had it 5 days and I tore him up. he said he didnt want to go all out and drop a tranny on such a wimpy car but I made him eat his words.

..Because a stock 06 STi actually keeps up with a 03/04 SVT Cobra from stop & i know you can't pull a 03/04 Svt cobra..

You need to qualify that. In the 1/8th mile, sure. But the Cobra will have a significantly higher trap speed in the 1/4.

I love both cars, but there is no way you can compare both an M3 and a STI, the M3 was designed for the streets, while the STI or EVO and so on are rally inspired. Wanna make it a fair race, why dont you rally a STI?

Uh huh. Like my Charger was inspired/designed by NASCAR. :rolleyes Lord forbid!

BOTH are designed for the streets.

That's a fallacy. I don't see the 996TT being hindered in any way by its AWD, or even a 3000GT VR-4 for that matter. What you're not realizing is that the Evo and the STi (STI for 2006), both are designed to taper their boost in higher gears, hence the disadvantage from a roll. A boost controller that allows each car type to hold boost usually can take care of that issue.

Like it was written earlier, both the Porsche and the VR4 would have higher trap speed if they were RWD. Even Lamborghini states the Gallardo Superleggra (sp?), at an amazing 2992lbs or so, would weigh 200lbs LESS if it were RWD only.

Like it was written earlier, both the Porsche and the VR4 would have higher trap speed if they were RWD. Even Lamborghini states the Gallardo Superleggra (sp?), at an amazing 2992lbs or so, would weigh 200lbs LESS if it were RWD only.
The concept of Hp lost in AWD cars is not that it weight more then a rwd car or fwd car, what i beleive is that the Hp is devided into two sections :
lets take the Audi b7 rs4 the Hp is devided in to 40% at the front wheels and 60% at the rear wheels, thus when u drive/ race on allwheels drive cars, the power is lost either in the front wheels or the rear wheels. If the power is lost to the front wheels its because the rear wheels of the awd system is pushing the front wheels of the front of the car this eliminates grip and the Hp is wasted, IF the hp is lost to the rear wheels. If we take the audi TT(99) the Hp is distributed or devided in to 60% at the front wheels and 40% at the rear wheels so here we see that the HP is lost at the rear wheels clearly because, 1st the front wheels have more power distributed to them 2nd the front wheels are virtually placed in front of the rear wheels (duh common sense) lol.... anyway in another words the front wheels are dragging the rear wheels thus not letting them to put the full Hp if not any at all , hope i made sense( this is i beleive is true only from a roll)

A 200lb weight difference will negatively effect acceleration.

Additional moving components in a driveline (AWD vs. R or FWD) will have a greater parasitic effect on power output as well due to power transfer AND weight of the components that must spin. Hence lower trap speeds.

A 200lb weight difference will negatively effect acceleration.

Additional moving components in a driveline (AWD vs. R or FWD) will have a greater parasitic effect on power output as well due to power transfer AND weight of the components that must spin. Hence lower trap speeds.
1st Quattro awd system does not weight 200lbs it actually around 127lbs that why it is considered one of the best awd systems in the world
2nd additional moving parts will help a car loose hp only once in the begging of the drive and no more, the hp lost stays the same until redline or top speed trap speed is lowered by lost of hp not by AWD if we take a rwd car that has 200whp and an awd car that has 200whp and have the same weight same gearing the trap speed is going to be the same but the awd car is gonna have a quicker 1/4 due to the fact that it has more tractiong on 1st and 2nd gear

1st Quattro awd system does not weight 200lbs it actually around 127lbs that why it is considered one of the best awd systems in the world
2nd additional moving parts will help a car loose hp only once in the begging of the drive and no more, the hp lost stays the same until redline or top speed trap speed is lowered by lost of hp not by AWD if we take a rwd car that has 200whp and an awd car that has 200whp and have the same weight same gearing the trap speed is going to be the same but the awd car is gonna have a quicker 1/4 due to the fact that it has more tractiong on 1st and 2nd gear

Lamborghini states it's a 200lbs difference. It's not the exact same components as the 1.8.

Extra weight and extra rotating mass cause parasitic drag while spinning. 1lb static = approx. 7lbs dynamic. Additional friction does as well. AWD cars suffer more driveline loss on the dyno than rear drive.

Your comparison implies the 200Awhp car will be making more flywheel hp than the 200Rwhp car so how is that valid?

Lamborghini states it's a 200lbs difference. It's not the exact same components as the 1.8.

Extra weight and extra rotating mass cause parasitic drag while spinning. 1lb static = approx. 7lbs dynamic. Additional friction does as well. AWD cars suffer more driveline loss on the dyno than rear drive.

Your comparison implies the 200Awhp car will be making more flywheel hp than the 200Rwhp car so how is that valid?
200lbs thats for lambo but that weight quote its egeneralised, i was talking about quattro but lets leave those two alone....
3rd yes the awd car would be making more hp at the fly wheel , but in the end it matters what u actually put down!! right?

200lbs thats for lambo but that weight quote its egeneralised, i was talking about quattro but lets leave those two alone....
3rd yes the awd car would be making more hp at the fly wheel , but in the end it matters what u actually put down!! right?

Yes, we agree. The debate was about converting the existing car from AWD to RWD, obviously keeping the engine output the same.

Yes, we agree. The debate was about converting the existing car from AWD to RWD, obviously keeping the engine output the same.
then there would be less hp loss !

Wow. Best post ev4r.

Does that mean I can't race a dumptruck unless I put some trash in my back seat.

This right here..is..too..funny.. :rofl

It's not rocket science driving a stick shift. In fact, the STI is easier to shift and blow through the gears than an E36. The M3 won, let it go.

Really? If the STi transmission is anything like the WRX transmission and the 325i transmission is anything like the M3 transmission I would have to disagree.

Another thread which proves that E36 M3 > Life.

:buttrock

Really? If the STi transmission is anything like the WRX transmission and the 325i transmission is anything like the M3 transmission I would have to disagree.
subbies specially sti transmissions are made of "glass"

you're a good friend haha "i dont care", i love both cars :)

subbies specially sti transmissions are made of "glass"
Lay down the crack pipe junior, STi tranny are nearly indestructable. There hasn't been a single blown sti tranny yet, axles are usually go out first.

Another thread which proves that E36 M3 > Life.

Ain't that the truth, so now near stock E36 M's are taking new STI's off the line huh? Impressive, hope i never run into one.

I love both cars, but there is no way you can compare both an M3 and a STI, the M3 was designed for the streets, while the STI or EVO and so on are rally inspired. Wanna make it a fair race, why dont you rally a STI?
O.........M................G.................

My cousin owns an '06 STI and it has a very hard time of a roll.

Are you guys serious? This thread was started sooooo long ago. I have raced him a number of times since this time and he has still never beaten me. I have also raced a silver 06 STi with front mount and exhaust from a roll (twice) and whooped his ass. They are fast cars, don't get me wrong. It is over, let this thread die!

Lay down the crack pipe junior, STi tranny are nearly indestructable. There hasn't been a single blown sti tranny yet, axles are usually go out first.


i find that the STi tranny is much easier to go through all the gears smoothly... ps.. is that your STi in your sig? and if so wat do you have done to it? looks like you have a front mount?


and where in MD are you?

i find that the STi tranny is much easier to go through all the gears smoothly... ps.. is that your STi in your sig? and if so wat do you have done to it? looks like you have a front mount?


and where in MD are you?

3'' FP Green w/ 8cm housing and supporting mods(fuel, injectors, intake, FMIC, tbe, ect...)

I've put down 395whp 407tq with a boost leak, but I had gotten that fixed and give 600cc bikes a good run for their money. I should be around the neighborhood of 415-420whp. I'm in MoCo btw.

Are you guys serious? This thread was started sooooo long ago. I have raced him a number of times since this time and he has still never beaten me. I have also raced a silver 06 STi with front mount and exhaust from a roll (twice) and whooped his ass. They are fast cars, don't get me wrong. It is over, let this thread die!

If I get a chance tomorrow I will overlay my STG-II STi power graph onto my '95 ///Ms power graph, post it, and you will see why this thread is still going. Both on the same Mustang dyno. My STG-II STi would rip your ///M a new tail pipe. :)

You also have to remember that I could put parts on your car that may seems to make it more powerful when in fact it has robbed you of power.

Rob

I call BS...a stock STI should walk an e36 M alll day long.
stfu noob
i smoked a stock sti by 2 cars with my car and this guy has cams 24# injectors.

if anyhting he shuda had him by ATLEAST 3 cars.

stock sti's are slow

Trust me i do believe you & not believe you in a way because your saying he has some mods on his STi as well, with the mods he has on his STi vs your mods i just can't see you pulling a new 06 STi, very hard to say, but i'm not calling you a lier..Because a stock 06 STi actually keeps up with a 03/04 SVT Cobra from stop & i know you can't pull a 03/04 Svt cobra..
ummm ofcourse the sti from a stop would beat any rwd car. dosent mean a cobra is as fast as it just because its rwd...

If I get a chance tomorrow I will overlay my STG-II STi power graph onto my '95 ///Ms power graph, post it, and you will see why this thread is still going. Both on the same Mustang dyno. My STG-II STi would rip your ///M a new tail pipe. :)

You also have to remember that I could put parts on your car that may seems to make it more powerful when in fact it has robbed you of power.

Rob

I raced a STOCK one at the time, not a STG II. It better rape me. My car is also 12 yrs old with 140000 miles. Just a little different.

I raced a STOCK one at the time, not a STG II. It better rape me. My car is also 12 yrs old with 140000 miles. Just a little different.

In your last post spoke of racing a STi with exhaust and an intercooler upgrade. That to me says, at least, stg-II. I was only comparing apples to freakish oranges :)

I'll try to get these graphs scanned today.

In your last post spoke of racing a STi with exhaust and an intercooler upgrade. That to me says, at least, stg-II. I was only comparing apples to freakish oranges :)

I'll try to get these graphs scanned today.

Man there's some dumb people on here.

STFU about the STI 4-wheel drive launch...they are heavy pigs, Lancer Evo's are much better if you want a fast car. STI's are slow, especially if you don't know how to drive. And it takes sooo much skill to drive on a dyno.

If you post track times, the M3 will be faster. Especially in this case. But that waterlogged STI will never see the track, so oh well.

Man there's some dumb people on here.

STFU about the STI 4-wheel drive launch...they are heavy pigs, Lancer Evo's are much better if you want a fast car. STI's are slow, especially if you don't know how to drive. And it takes sooo much skill to drive on a dyno.

If you post track times, the M3 will be faster. Especially in this case. But that waterlogged STI will never see the track, so oh well.
LOL at a S4 owner calling sti "heavy pigs" :lol

You are so ignorant on entirely different level, I don't even know if I have a response for you :rolleyes FYI, STi and Evo's weight about the same at 32xx lbs, and performs similiar to E46 M3 stock for stock at HPDE. Simple exhaust and reflash will be faster than M3 and lap your "lightweight" S4.

...but you got the better interior right? :D

I call BS...a stock STI should walk an e36 M alll day long.

good job not reading everything before you posted;)

A little late, but here is my old '05 Cobb Stg-II STi vs. my '95 M3 w/ 68k miles.

http://ims.hspn.com/pic.php?u=165EHBGD&i=2345

Wow so much hate and a perfectly all motor modded E36.
I have actually seen this car in person and can attest for the mods and the power this car is putting down. He has an all motor E36 running mid 13's.
Wait till you race the STI with your other project. ;)

It is over, let this thread die!

I can help with this. :D

stfu noob


Oh the irony, considering that OneUltimate was modifying BMWs before a good amount of the children on this forum even had their license. You really need to be careful how you address people. Consider this your warning - If I see any more worthlessly combative tripe from you, you're taking a vacation.