I took my 944 out this saturday as a last dance before I put her away this week. My brake rotors are warped and cracked because of a recent track day but I simply adjusted by braking earlier. Anyways I went to go get my haircut and on my way out I was showing my car to my barber when I saw a guy get into his Yellow C5 convertable a couple cars down. I was leaving as well and was hoping he was going my way. Turns out he was. We were lined up at the light and I gave him a little rev. Then the shithead looks at me and begins to laugh. Now for those who have seen my 944, it is not much of a looker, but it will pull even on a dodge viper(have a video of this). This guy had no idea what he was laughing at. He gave me a little rev back as he continued to laugh about the race. Light turned green and off we went, I got a nice jump on him, Thanks to my Comp tires and hard launch. I was about 1/2 car in front in 1st gear till i hit 4000rpm and the turbo boost hit, i started to pull on his C5 like it was nothing. By the time we hit about 75 i had about 3 cars, maybe more on him and was still pulling hard. I had to slow down because my brakes sucked and there was a light coming up. We got to the next light and before i turned right, i noticed his window was down and he was looking foward. I proceeded to ask him, "Now what was so funny about that." He didnt say a word or even look over, just starred straight and ignored me, for he was embarrassed that his big V-8 had just lost to a 4 cylinder turbo.

Good kill! If that had happend to me I would have been laughing and pointing at him!

buwahahhahaha! you mother fucker!!

thats wut I'd do...good job...

Nice kill!

sheesh aorund here a lot of C5 owners will never race. I've only had one race with a C5 and I murdered him.

Are you sure he was racing?????!!!:biglaughb

Most C5 owners don't street race. And those that do are typically selective as they feel that most cars on the road would be a waste of gas.

Funny as hell in that he ignored you!:laugh I'm sure he was embarased. Had it been me, I would given you your props.

Good kill!
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Originally posted by SvenOdin
Are you sure he was racing?????!!!:biglaughb

Most C5 owners don't street race. And those that do are typically selective as they feel that most cars on the road would be a waste of gas.

Funny as hell in that he ignored you!:laugh I'm sure he was embarased. Had it been me, I would given you your props.

Good kill!
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Oh i am sure he raced, he reved up and dropped clutch as did I.

very nice kill! That guy was a loser, even when I lose, and I stress the word WHEN ;) I give props to the guy, if he beats me, he diserves props!

Originally posted by SilverSS
very nice kill! That guy was a loser, even when I lose, and I stress the word WHEN ;) I give props to the guy, if he beats me, he diserves props!

Thats exactly how it should be. When i loose i acknowledge the loss. Keeping this stuff friendly is the only way to be. Its tightasses like this C5 owner that take the fun out of our hobby.

I agree, when I got smoked by a SICK Civic, he did not even slow down, just drove off like a loser, I wanted to talk to him and see wtf he was running!

Great kill! Way to represent the 944 Turbo crowd. Amazing what a little 2.5 four can do on 18 PIS, eh? :evil2

Originally posted by Stuttgart951
Great kill! Way to represent the 944 Turbo crowd. Amazing what a little 2.5 four can do on 18 PIS, eh? :evil2

I wish i was running that high, i tune the car down for the street, i was running around 12 or 13psi.

What exactly do you have done to your car to pull on a C5 with only 12 or 13 psi?

I have turbo S(which has bigger turbos and a bigger intercooler than normal 944 turbos) an authority chip, boost controller, ported/polished heads, exhaust, removed cats, and some weight reduction(removed AC compressor and some other small things here and there). I believe the car has a flywheel as well but not sure. Bought it a month ago, I also have Competetion tires, so i can launch really hard.

Originally posted by SilverStreak
Nice kill!

Wake up C5 :eek2: YOu just got waxed by a 4 bngr :buttrock
Hell, there's a $50,000 dollar investment that will make you think twice :laugh

I love it...

4-BNGR

Now didn't that just justify every penny spent on your 944?!!!
I love those situations!

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Originally posted by Dinan3XI
I have turbo S(which has bigger turbos and a bigger intercooler than normal 944 turbos) an authority chip, boost controller, ported/polished heads, exhaust, removed cats, and some weight reduction(removed AC compressor and some other small things here and there). I believe the car has a flywheel as well but not sure. Bought it a month ago, I also have Competetion tires, so i can launch really hard.

If its a 952 (944 Turbo S) with a stage II setup you should be putting down well over 12 PSI. A chipped Turbo S should be putting down at least 15 PSI - enough to best a C5 at any speed... although the embarressment becomes more apparent as the speeds get higher. :evil2 Im guessing with your setup - if you set boost to between 18-20 PSI should should be putting down almost 300 RWHP/315 RWTQ. Check out www.gururacing.com and take a look at their MAP sensor. The owner is extremely knowledgable about our cars - his MAP I test car (Non-S K26 turbo, 188,000 miles) put down 261 RWHP/303 RWTQ... with the stock turbo. There are some serious gains to be had with your car - looking into a used MAF if nothing else.

I am constantly amazed what car's simply cant keep up over about 90 MPH - its like thery're not even there.

Happy boosting!

My car runs to 13psi in 2nd and 3rd gear, boost gauge could be off. However, in 4th and 5th gear it is pushing around 16psi. I know i can set it much higher. I will be getting a K27 turbo upgrade, MAF kit next year, along with new injectors, cams, a race coil system and some heavy duty weight reduction. Car should be pushing around 400hp to the wheels and be very light. The car is extremely fast now, but i plan on making it one of the fastest 944's around. It will be a dedicted track car next year. I am happier with this purchase than any other one i have ever made. The car is the best bang for the buck. On the highway it can pull from almost everything, including vipers, stock Z06's, 911's and pretty much everything else out there. Gotta love it. Hey what do you suggest for coilovers?

Coil overs are tricky on this car. Most people end up doing a front coil over and depending on spring rates up front, larger torsion bars in the rear. It all depends on what you want to do with the car. If its going to be a street/weekend racer - I would advise against coil overs.

A good compromise is 250# springs and Adj. Koni's in front and 28mm torsion bars in the rear. (M030 or Welmiester sways also help a bunch)

Torsion bar removal/install is a major PITA - figure about 15 hours of labor total if you know what youre doing but if you increase spring rates in the front, you MUST increase torsion bar thinkness in back - otherwise you end up with serious understeer problems.

I seen guys running a full race setup with front and rear coilovers/650# springs... go karts. :evil2 but they're not too tame on the street.

That said, if you really wanna do a coilover, I recommend you go take a look at www.paragon-products.com and check out the Koni coilover kits. Ive heard nothing but great things about them (once they're in)

:D

Id also look into a dual port wastegate and a newer BCV (BOV) for some further improvement. Most sites list the 993 BOV as an update for our cars (bout $125) and if its still the original in your car, I garauntee its not working to peak effeciency. Wastegates... everyone has different opinions... so Ill let you do the homework there.

What MBC do you have mounted? The car should be getting MUCH more than 12-13 PSI.. either its wrong or something is amiss... try checking for a vacuum leak or a sticking wastegate.

Feel free to PM me if you have any more questions. :D

Hey man, thanks a lot for all the valueable info. Thanks for taking the time out to help with all of that. I am gonna start researching all of this. I am very new to the 944 scence, my dad has a 993 and i know quite a bit about them, but just started looking into 944 stuff. I will defently pm you if i need any help. Thanks again.

if you need "the tool" to go the timing belt, Count Schemula has one, along with a set of shop manuals that he might sell.

I like 944's a lot, my dad has a '90 944 S2 Cabriolet, he's had it since '91, and it's still just got about 80k miles on it! It's pretty quick too for being NA, I've beat many a V8 Mustang in it, and even an LT1 Firebird!
He's also got a 2000 Boxster S w/ the 6 speed that is also real nice and hella fun to drive!

What is your 944 turbo running in the 1/4 w/ those mods?
Also, what do those run stock in the 1/4?

Not exactly sure about the 1/4 mile havent put it on there yet. But i am pretty close when running my buddies Z06, so someplace in the 12's.

Pre-88 Turbo S 951s will do standing 1/4 mile in about 14 flat, Car and Driver did it in about 13.7 if I recall correctly. The 88S and 89-90 951's will do it in 13.5. Again, as Porsche is known for conservative performance figures, most testers did it a few ticks faster.

An APE tuned Turbo S like yours or 89-90 951 should do the 1/4 mile in the mid 12's on street tires at around 17-18 PSI.

If you want to break into the low 12's, however, youll need a bigger blower - K26/6 just isnt big enough for more than 300 RWHP and the K26/7 (Turbo S) is only marginally better after about 16 PSI.

Either way youre still only pushing 2800 pounds and the gearing is fantastic.

I'm starting to regret running away from that 944.... bummer.

Originally posted by Stuttgart951
Pre-88 Turbo S 951s will do standing 1/4 mile in about 14 flat, Car and Driver did it in about 13.7 if I recall correctly. The 88S and 89-90 951's will do it in 13.5. Again, as Porsche is known for conservative performance figures, most testers did it a few ticks faster.

An APE tuned Turbo S like yours or 89-90 951 should do the 1/4 mile in the mid 12's on street tires at around 17-18 PSI.

If you want to break into the low 12's, however, youll need a bigger blower - K26/6 just isnt big enough for more than 300 RWHP and the K26/7 (Turbo S) is only marginally better after about 16 PSI.

Either way youre still only pushing 2800 pounds and the gearing is fantastic.


I have comp tires mounted right now, do you think my 1/4mile will be around 12.5ish? Is there any way that next year with a K27 turbo upgrade, MAF kit, bigger injectors, and some weight reduction I will be breaking into the 11's? Once again this is not a drag vehicle, instead it will be a track car, but it would be cool to run 11's in it.

Originally posted by Dinan3XI


I have comp tires mounted right now, do you think my 1/4mile will be around 12.5ish? Is there any way that next year with a K27 turbo upgrade, MAF kit, bigger injectors, and some weight reduction I will be breaking into the 11's? Once again this is not a drag vehicle, instead it will be a track car, but it would be cool to run 11's in it.

As with any car - speed is comparable to money - you can make a BMW 2002 into a 9 second car if you throw enough money at it. The great thing about this car is speed doesnt cost that much (within reason). Im not much of a drag racer - I prefer a track with braking zones :evil2 but that said, getting your Turbo in the 11's shouldnt be that much of a struggle. A K27, MAF, and injectors to match the boost (guessing about 75lb/hr?) - along with your present mod's - would probably do it. (make SURE you get software with slectable injector setups - it will save you money in the long run)

Ill spare you the "this car isnt a dragster" speach that every P-car owner will give you. The fact of the matter is that the car shines on a twisty track (just as the M3's do) and at speeds over 100 MPH. Where as most engine will "run out of gas" as the speedometer passes triple digits, this car only seems to get stonger. 100-150 MPH is almost scary. Er... I dont... I dont know this off first had experience... someone told me, honest. :devillook

You should really get your car on a dyno and get some numbers - either that or get to a track during a "test and tune" night and see what she'll do. Launching the car properly without destroying your CV joints is half the battle tho... good luck.

Originally posted by Stuttgart951


As with any car - speed is comparable to money - you can make a BMW 2002 into a 9 second car if you throw enough money at it. The great thing about this car is speed doesnt cost that much (within reason). Im not much of a drag racer - I prefer a track with braking zones :evil2 but that said, getting your Turbo in the 11's shouldnt be that much of a struggle. A K27, MAF, and injectors to match the boost (guessing about 75lb/hr?) - along with your present mod's - would probably do it. (make SURE you get software with slectable injector setups - it will save you money in the long run)

Ill spare you the "this car isnt a dragster" speach that every P-car owner will give you. The fact of the matter is that the car shines on a twisty track (just as the M3's do) and at speeds over 100 MPH. Where as most engine will "run out of gas" as the speedometer passes triple digits, this car only seems to get stonger. 100-150 MPH is almost scary. Er... I dont... I dont know this off first had experience... someone told me, honest. :devillook

You should really get your car on a dyno and get some numbers - either that or get to a track during a "test and tune" night and see what she'll do. Launching the car properly without destroying your CV joints is half the battle tho... good luck.

We are on the same boat bro. I am 100% for track driving. I am actually making this car a track dedicated car. I have been racing for a couple seasons now and hoping to do some PCA club racing at the end of next season. The car will NOT be a drag car, because i dont enjoy that as much as twisties. Drag racing is fun at times however, but it is all a preference. trust me 100-150mph is scary, i was doing that at road america over and over again. I would hit about 150mph on two of the straights and let me tell you the thing just keeps pulling.

Good to go. :) 951's make AWESOME track cars. I use mine as often as I can on the street, but I wouldnt mind picking up another one to turn into a dedicated track car. Too bad finances wont allow for this.

PS: Look into a wider throttle pedal (Any Porsche magazine will have ads) to make heel/toe easier. Perhaps its just me, but I find H/T to be almost impossible considering how far down the accelerator is compared to the brake - I have to twist my foot in strange ways and even then its "iffy."

I was planning on being at Summit Point last weekend.. unfourtunately my job interfered... Im hoping to get out to a few DE events in the spring - Pocono, Summit, and hopefully Watkins Glen. Maybe Ill see you there - just look for the very capable black 951 with the slightly below capable driver - cant beat the learning curve of road racing! :D

If you havent already, join PCA www.pca.org (Porsche Club of America) great resources. Also check out www.rennlist.com for forums - alot of the guys on the boards really know their stuff - a few of them have 450 RWHP+ :eek:

Originally posted by Stuttgart951
Good to go. :) 951's make AWESOME track cars. I use mine as often as I can on the street, but I wouldnt mind picking up another one to turn into a dedicated track car. Too bad finances wont allow for this.

PS: Look into a wider throttle pedal (Any Porsche magazine will have ads) to make heel/toe easier. Perhaps its just me, but I find H/T to be almost impossible considering how far down the accelerator is compared to the brake - I have to twist my foot in strange ways and even then its "iffy."

I was planning on being at Summit Point last weekend.. unfourtunately my job interfered... Im hoping to get out to a few DE events in the spring - Pocono, Summit, and hopefully Watkins Glen. Maybe Ill see you there - just look for the very capable black 951 with the slightly below capable driver - cant beat the learning curve of road racing! :D

If you havent already, join PCA www.pca.org (Porsche Club of America) great resources. Also check out www.rennlist.com for forums - alot of the guys on the boards really know their stuff - a few of them have 450 RWHP+ :eek:

You know what I thought i was the only person with the h/t problem. It was very easy on my bmw, but in the 944 i had to twist my foot as well. I am currently a PCA member, my dad has been racing with them in a track prepped 993 for a while now and hopefully we will be racing with one another next year. PCA is an awesome club. In my opinion the most organized club out there.