Thanks to all of you who organized and ran the autox Saturday. Despite the weather, you guys put together a fun course and a well organized event. Great job!

Sorry, no www.TeamWTF.org pics from this one. We don't own one of those underwater cameras.

Alex

It was a blast and that course ended up pretty challenging for me. I had some trouble fitting my E36 through a couple of places, and I only had one clean run.

It was a ton of fun sliding my car around in my first WET autoX.

Thanks again to everyone who toughed it out; I was definitely freezing while hugging one of the poles of the tent during all of heat 2.

It was a blast and that course ended up pretty challenging for me. I had some trouble fitting my E36 through a couple of places, and I only had one clean run.

It was a ton of fun sliding my car around in my first WET autoX.

Thanks again to everyone who toughed it out; I was definitely freezing while hugging one of the poles of the tent during all of heat 2.
If you went wider on some of the gates, you would have had more room. I think some of the gates were angled so going out further would put you at a better angle through them.

---Eric

I definintely made a few of mistakes, but I was hitting cones in the easiest places. I can't complain because I did feel pretty good about 2 of my runs despite hitting some cones.

There were definitely some slow areas that you could positively fly thorough, but it was a bit too tight of a course - some of those elements will be revisited, but with a more open layout. Because of the rain and the curbs, nobody wans to take chances.

Glad that everyone kept it safe and there were no incidents. Dunno who the white M3 driver I rode with in the second heat was (#209 I think?) but he did a heckova good job listening to my couple of suggestions on how to go faster. :buttrock

There were definitely some slow areas that you could positively fly thorough, but it was a bit too tight of a course - some of those elements will be revisited, but with a more open layout. Because of the rain and the curbs, nobody wans to take chances.

Glad that everyone kept it safe and there were no incidents. Dunno who the white M3 driver I rode with in the second heat was (#209 I think?) but he did a heckova good job listening to my couple of suggestions on how to go faster. :buttrock


206 ;) And thanks for the help :thumbup:

Wish I coulda made it guy's. Next time. :D

It was fun holding on for my life in the back seat of Doug Ellmore's 2002.

I need to learn how to drive a RWD.. 52s just dont cut it when the original owner drove my car and got a 49 :( Still fun and thanks everyone for toughing out the rain!

Thanks again to everyone who toughed it out; I was definitely freezing while hugging one of the poles of the tent during all of heat 2.


Thanks for helping hold the parasail, I mean tents down. There where a couple of times I thought they where going to fly away and take the timing system with them.




It was fun holding on for my life in the back seat of Doug Ellmore's 2002.

I was wondering who was in the back of the 2002. You looked like a giant bobble head. :eek:

Thanks to the guys who helped out. We couldn't have had the event without you guys. Great course design, was a lot of fun and quite challenging in the rain.

Pete

Results? :shifty

Results? :shifty
...still waiting for the computers to dry. :stickoutt

---Eric

That was a fun swim-meet. :stickoutt

John V - I liked that uphill "slalom." :D

Wish I had a wetsuit or something out there... was a ton of fun though. Hopefully it will rain for the next one too :stickoutt

That was a fun swim-meet. :stickoutt

John V - I liked that uphill "slalom." :D

Thanks. Not much of a slalom, huh?

I wish the course could have been sped up a little more, but given the amount of new people we had and the wet conditions, that seemed like a bad idea.

Thanks. Not much of a slalom, huh?

I wish the course could have been sped up a little more, but given the amount of new people we had and the wet conditions, that seemed like a bad idea.
Not to mention it was virtually impossible to reset punted cones since the chalk marks didn't stay on the ground long. A migrating slalom would have made BIG differences in times.

Thanks. Not much of a slalom, huh?

I wish the course could have been sped up a little more, but given the amount of new people we had and the wet conditions, that seemed like a bad idea.

I can't wait to bring my new GuardZ Red Porsche Cayman with mah new black 5 spoke Techart rimZ to the next one. Tell Ken he can co-drive it with me!

:D

Not to mention it was virtually impossible to reset punted cones since the chalk marks didn't stay on the ground long. A migrating slalom would have made BIG differences in times.

Yeah. I'm sure there was some variance in times due to cone migration.

What're you gonna do? :dunno

The strangest and most consistent mistake I saw (I worked the skidpad by the container) was in the chicane just past the skid pad. People would very very carefully creep around the wrong side of the pointer cone. Three cars in a row did this in the first half of the 3rd heat!

The strangest and most consistent mistake I saw (I worked the skidpad by the container) was in the chicane just past the skid pad. People would very very carefully creep around the wrong side of the pointer cone. Three cars in a row did this in the first half of the 3rd heat!

I saw that too and didn't quite get it... but the course was definitely too tight in that area and with people not looking far enough ahead some strange things happened.

I saw that too and didn't quite get it... but the course was definitely too tight in that area and with people not looking far enough ahead some strange things happened.
I actually mentioned that when I first walked the course. When you approached that area, the pointer cones (at first glance) made it look like you should be going between the wrong cones/gates.

---Eric

Ooh!!!! Take that, John V! You suck!!!! :mad

I actually mentioned that when I first walked the course. When you approached that area, the pointer cones (at first glance) made it look like you should be going between the wrong cones/gates.

---Eric

So you admit you weren't looking far enough ahead? :stickoutt

That section was weird... especially for those that didn't walk the course. from a distance, the pointer cone did point you the wrong way, but if you setup properly, the pointer pointed you the right way. Anyway, great course as always; thanks!

I'm going to see if the water-logged computers will start today; results will be posted as soon as humanly possible.

Hey All,

Yes, it was a fun run...thanks to everyone for participating. This was the first time this year we had the car out-Black Integra- and it was a great session for shaking out the car.

Never ran in the rain before, so it was double interesting. Especially with the course setup.

Cheers!

NCC Bowie Autox Excuses:

1. I never autox'd in the rain
2. Certain parts of the course were too tight
3. I made the mistake of switching to r-comps this morning
4. I had John V as a co-pilot ;) Kidding, he was actually very helpful
5. The pointer cone confused me on "that" part of the course
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So you admit you weren't looking far enough ahead? :stickoutt
Actually (as Adam mentioned), if you looked from a distance it could point you in the wrong direction. When you got close it was pointing properly. As usual, I was not looking far enough ahead so to me, the cone was fine. :help

---Eric

The course from the slightly confusing box back to the hard right into the finish sweeper was a blast in the wet.

Alex

Actually (as Adam mentioned), if you looked from a distance it could point you in the wrong direction. When you got close it was pointing properly. As usual, I was not looking far enough ahead so to me, the cone was fine. :help

---Eric

I still can't figure out which one you're talking about... but if we ever use that course again you can pre-run it and we can tweak it.

I still can't figure out which one you're talking about... but if we ever use that course again you can pre-run it and we can tweak it.

You mean you're going to re-configure it into a drag strip just for Eric? Nice!!!!

I still can't figure out which one you're talking about... but if we ever use that course again you can pre-run it and we can tweak it.
The gates right before you cross the concrete islands for the second time. There were two pointer cones. When you looked at them from from a certain angle at a distance it might point you in the wrong direction. At the wrong angle it looked like it was one gate with two pointer cones rather than separate gates. Of course, this really only happened if you were way off the normal line/didn't walk the course. I'm usually pretty lost, that's why I noticed it. :embarrasm

I don't think I'll be pre-running anytime soon. I have to watch a bunch of cars run and walk it a couple times before I can learn the course. :(

---Eric

I don't think I'll be pre-running anytime soon. I have to watch a bunch of cars run and walk it a couple times before I can learn the course. :(

---Eric


But think about it... if you pre-run at least twice and have a total of SIX runs, you may do as well or better than Pete :D

The gates right before you cross the concrete islands for the second time. There were two pointer cones. When you looked at them from from a certain angle at a distance it might point you in the wrong direction. At the wrong angle it looked like it was one gate with two pointer cones rather than separate gates. Of course, this really only happened if you were way off the normal line/didn't walk the course. I'm usually pretty lost, that's why I noticed it. :embarrasm

I don't think I'll be pre-running anytime soon. I have to watch a bunch of cars run and walk it a couple times before I can learn the course. :(

---Eric
Note to self, have Eric pre-run... or not.

But think about it... if you pre-run at least twice and have a total of SIX runs, you may do as well or better than Pete :D
I don't think 2 more runs will get me 4 seconds. :(

---Eric

Note to self, have Eric pre-run... or not.
The only thing that might be useful of me pre-running a course would be if you wanted to see where novices were going to get lost. :embarrasm

---Eric

John - we're talking about the place where I went off during my first run when you were with me. After I went through it I was thinking that couldn't have been right.

-- Adam

I don't think I'll be pre-running anytime soon. I have to watch a bunch of cars run and walk it a couple times before I can learn the course. :(

Heh, keep running the autocross program and you'll get to the point where you can look at a course map and figure out where to drive with no walk / pre-run.

Heh, keep running the autocross program and you'll get to the point where you can look at a course map and figure out where to drive with no walk / pre-run.
I would rather someone else run it and I could actually get some sleep before the events. :cool

---Eric

I would rather someone else run it and I could actually get some sleep before the events. :cool

---Eric

I second that!

A very rough diagram of the errors as I saw them. This is from memory, so bear with me. The black was on course and the red line were the common off-course errors.

EDIT: Cheese and crackers, why does bf.c not like t i n y p i c? :mad

So what they're saying John is that "YOUR BABY'S UGLY"

That is all, go about your business now...

Here is what was intended. In the future, if I use this exact course again (unlikely) I will eliminate the cones with the red marks near them or play around with some walls to break it up visually.



Ideally, those two elements would have been connected in a more fluid manner, but I didn't feel comfortable opening things up with the rain.

JV

So what they're saying John is that "YOUR BABY'S UGLY"

I think I adopted the Kevin mindset midway through last year and so long as there aren't valid safety concerns I couldn't care less what people think of the courses. Let them come out at 7AM to throw cones. :stickoutt

Here is what was intended. In the future, if I use this exact course again (unlikely) I will eliminate the cones with the red marks near them or play around with some walls to break it up visually.



Ideally, those two elements would have been connected in a more fluid manner, but I didn't feel comfortable opening things up with the rain.

JV
The problem was having two pointer cones in the same area. When coming in from the other direction your eyes would pick them up and think you should approach from the wrong direction. An extra cone making the area too small for a car would probably have worked better than the second pointer cone. I really wouldn't worry about it since this is the first time I've ever seen a situation like that.

---Eric

I think I adopted the Kevin mindset midway through last year and so long as there aren't valid safety concerns I couldn't care less what people think of the courses. Let them come out at 7AM to throw cones. :stickoutt
I liked how when people complained about all the left turns for one course and the next one he made almost all right turns - "to even out their tires". :stickoutt

---Eric

I would rather someone else run it and I could actually get some sleep before the events. :cool

---Eric

BTDT. Y'all did a great job in very challenging conditions.

Mebbe you can talk the club into buying an autox RV, just drive out to the site the night before & crash there :D

Oh boy, I can get deals on those. But the entire club could use it for da ShOwZ, auToXors, and DeZZz

Toterhome? :buttrock

BTDT. Y'all did a great job in very challenging conditions.

Mebbe you can talk the club into buying an autox RV, just drive out to the site the night before & crash there :D
It's mainly that I'm up trying to finish the registrations that is the problem. I'm thinking about closing pre-registration a day earlier from now on. :)

---Eric

BTDT. Y'all did a great job in very challenging conditions.

Mebbe you can talk the club into buying an autox RV, just drive out to the site the night before & crash there :D


Sounds like a good idea. I'm not sure if the club would spring for something like that. :D

I'll ask in tomorrow's meeting just to see what they say.:eyecrazy

Pete

Sounds like a good idea. I'm not sure if the club would spring for something like that. :D

I'll ask in tomorrow's meeting just to see what they say.:eyecrazy

Pete

Can you ask for something that will at least keep some people, and the equipment a little more dry... and not try to fly away or destroy tables? :dunno

Can you ask for something that will at least keep some people, and the equipment a little more dry... and not try to fly away or destroy tables? :dunno
Like plastic sides for the tents? ;)

---Eric

Like plastic sides for the tents? ;)

---Eric


Better than nothing :) And cinder blocks to keep the posts from moving :buttrock

BTDT. Y'all did a great job in very challenging conditions.

Mebbe you can talk the club into buying an autox RV, just drive out to the site the night before & crash there :DThat was nice when we had Brian's RV.
Do timing in the autocross trailer. :)

Better than nothing :) And cinder blocks to keep the posts from moving :buttrock
Normally we have an ample supply of spare tires but with the rain, people decided to leave them in their trunks.

---Eric

Normally we have an ample supply of spare tires but with the rain, people decided to leave them in their trunks.

---Eric

We used one of mine - in fact, I took it out between runs! And now that I think of it, I never dried out the wheel well after I put the wet spare back in... crap:(

That was nice when we had Brian's RV.
Do timing in the autocross trailer. :)
The trailer might be a little crowded and I don't think anyone would want to sit in there all day.

Registration was run from Pete's Jeep for part of the day. :)

---Eric

Results?

:ponder

Alex

Results?

:ponder

Alex


Huh, what are those :confused :help





[note] the computer is probably still drying.

....I'm going to see if the water-logged computers will start today; results will be posted as soon as humanly possible.
Any progress? :stickoutt

---Eric

That was nice when we had Brian's RV.
Do timing in the autocross trailer. :)

Yes, yes it was.

Though it did get kinda hot in the RV in the summer. Make sure you get one with AC and a big generator to run it all!

Results?

:ponder

Alex

I had to find my old keyboard to hook-up to the laptop b/c the keypad on the timing computer is fried. I'm in the process of finding 2 missing times... one is actually for Eric. So, pending anything weird, I'll send the results out tonight after I eat dinner.

I had to find my old keyboard to hook-up to the laptop b/c the keypad on the timing computer is fried. I'm in the process of finding 2 missing times... one is actually for Eric. So, pending anything weird, I'll send the results out tonight after I eat dinner.
I noticed one of my times was missing but I don't think it affects the results for my class.

---Eric

Results been sent out? If so, we never got anything.

Thanks.

I noticed one of my times was missing but I don't think it affects the results for my class.

---Eric
It doesn't take a full four tries to beat me, huh? :embarrasm

Results been sent out? If so, we never got anything.

Thanks.
Results don't get sent out. They are simply posted on the website when finished. When they are finished they will go here:
http://www.nccbmwcca.org/index.php?results

---Eric

It doesn't take a full four tries to beat me, huh? :embarrasm
I don't think the time that was lost was my fastest time. I think you were only a fraction of a second behind me. :eek:

---Eric

Thank You Eric

Results don't get sent out. They are simply posted on the website when finished. When they are finished they will go here:
http://www.nccbmwcca.org/index.php?results

---EricGive me until 9:00 pm to get the results up.

Give me until 9:00 pm to get the results up.
Adam finished them? :confused

---Eric

Adam finished them? :confused

---EricResults are up. Awaiting for the first round of revisions.:mad

Results are up. Awaiting for the first round of revisions.:mad

Please add a couple seconds to Rafael and Pete's times.

That is all.

Alex

Please add a couple seconds to Rafael and Pete's times.

That is all.

Alex


What did I do?:dunno

Pete

Results are up. Awaiting for the first round of revisions.:mad

Yeah no joke! I was expecting to see about 5 posts for people that wanted to be classed differently.

Yeah no joke! I was expecting to see about 5 posts for people that wanted to be classed differently.


I want to be classed in MS so I could win that group. J/K:D

Pete

I want to be classed in MS so I could win that group. J/K:D

Pete

lol that'd be like the first 4th place finish for Kevin EVER

w00t!! 1st in class. Where's my trophy? :stickoutt

I have some work to do...

w00t!! 1st in class. Where's my trophy? :stickoutt
How'd you like your worker assignment btw?:stickoutt

lol that'd be like the first 4th place finish for Kevin EVER

Nah...just been a while. Shows why 710s in the rivers John V ran us through just SUCK!

No biggie. Adam's in trouble for the rest of the season.

Kevin

Not sure, but suspect I could have grabbed 2nd place in the new unlimited class....

Neil

Nah...just been a while. Shows why 710s in the rivers John V ran us through just SUCK!

I've been meaning to ask.. is Rafael taking steroids or something? He ran a 47.xxx on that course in the rain?

Need to implement a mandatory drug-testing policy. :shifty

How'd you like your worker assignment btw?:stickoutt :fingerboi




Actually it wasn't that bad. Didn't have to pick up any cones.

Actually it wasn't that bad. Didn't have to pick up any cones.
Did he put you all the way down by the container? He gave me that job because I asked to work the DNF cone (of which there was none). :(

Did he put you all the way down by the container? He gave me that job because I asked to work the DNF cone (of which there was none). :(

No DNF cone FTW!

Did he put you all the way down by the container? He gave me that job because I asked to work the DNF cone (of which there was none). :( yeah. that bastid. At least I got to borrow Pete's poncho (which I proceeded to rip in half. Sorry Pete).

Nah...just been a while. Shows why 710s in the rivers John V ran us through just SUCK!

No biggie. Adam's in trouble for the rest of the season.

Kevin

I can only pray for more rain... but it's such a hassle running wet events so I'm torn

w00t!! 1st in class. Where's my trophy? :stickoutt


Yeah, what's up with that :confused I want my own class. :shifty

Yeah, what's up with that :confused I want my own class. :shifty I just have to hope Neil is "busy" on all the days there are autocrosses. Or maybe he'll just happen to lose a screw or two the night before the event. :shifty

I can only pray for more rain... but it's such a hassle running wet events so I'm torn

But next event I won't be without street tires...

Enough of the track damaging my autox car. It's an autox car after all!