So the beast is running. Jbob and i met up earlier tonight and took the car out for some laps on the freeway to break the motor in. All i have to say is DAMN. The car is strong, the motor is going to haul some serious ass once the boost is all sorted out. While we were out cruizing, i took a few pics and some videos! Please enjoy these little teasers, and for you CA folks, get ready to see it in person this weekend! OMGF BFest here we come! :redspot

Right click and save as on the links. If any of them dont work, lemme know im too lazy to try them all out :stickoutt The 3.5" side exit is fucking mean. And that's all i'll say i'll let the vids do the talking.

http://music.competitiveparts.com/matt/April_2_E21_pics%20and%20vid/IMG_3015.jpg

We are such fucking boost hungry E21 fags! Haha! (jason is happy b/c its running, im happy because the exhaust is vibrating the SHIT out of my entire body in that Sparco.) Can u say ORGASMIC?? it just might get the job done if the chick is horny enough, and what chick wouldnt be with such a studly driver and such a hot car!!

http://music.competitiveparts.com/matt/April_2_E21_pics%20and%20vid/IMG_3023.jpg

Run 1 -
http://music.competitiveparts.com/matt/April_2_E21_pics%20and%20vid/run1.avi


Run 2-
http://music.competitiveparts.com/matt/April_2_E21_pics%20and%20vid/run2.avi

Run3 - http://music.competitiveparts.com/matt/April_2_E21_pics%20and%20vid/run3_talkingmeanmachinehemi.avi

run 4 - Backfire!
http://music.competitiveparts.com/matt/April_2_E21_pics%20and%20vid/run4_visiblebackfire.avi


run 5 - http://music.competitiveparts.com/matt/April_2_E21_pics%20and%20vid/run5_backfire_mattinterior.avi


Windows down -
http://music.competitiveparts.com/matt/April_2_E21_pics%20and%20vid/window%down_talking.avi


Windows up - http://music.competitiveparts.com/matt/April_2_E21_pics%20and%20vid/windows%up_talking.avi


The guages -
http://music.competitiveparts.com/matt/April_2_E21_pics%20and%20vid/guages%light%up.avi


another run -

http://music.competitiveparts.com/matt/April_2_E21_pics%20and%20vid/MVI_3018.avi

haha, look @ those 2 jackasses!
Matt, Thanks again for the pics & vid's! i didn't realize how big those fireballs actually were.

FYI about the car...it's not tuned that great yet. the fuel was just about right on for a naturally aspirated brake-in, but the ignition timing was pretty off in the mid to high rpm band. but it does finally run!!!

The turbo is installed on the manifold, but unfortunately, I doubt I'll have time to put on a proper intercooler & piping for Bimmerfest. I thought about just plumbing the turbo directly to the throttle body, however the wastegate has a 0.7bar (10psi) spring & i'd rather not risk it without a proper intercooler.
But while testing the engine out today, I was very surprised to hear the turbo starting to spool (over the loud exhaust) just before 3,000rpms, with a pretty loud whirling noise starting @ 3,500rpms...i was initially estimating/excpecting that the turbo wouldn't spool until at least 4,000rpms.

I can't wait to see this shit!!! Dammit. I''m like one of the few left without a turbo. CJ's back and forth on the turbo, Jason, you have a turbo, Atilla has a turbo. Mine is just eye candy for now. I don't know if I want a Turbo though. Natural aspiration baby!!! It CAN be built. :lol

I just watched the vids. Nice job!!! I wonder if it really does have a hemi.

I give you mad props on the turbo..:buttrock

matt looks like he is locked-jawed from 3 or 4 pills of E

get that man some water!:stickoutt

that car sounds absolutely sik!!! I must be outta the loop what have you done to the engine?

HHHHHHhhhhiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii!!!!

Nice Work Jason... Pity I won't be going to Bimmerfest.

Makes me want to sell the Typhoon, my nuts and a few other organs so I can finish. I guess J just raised the stakes. It's time to go big or go home boys.

Nic - you are not going to bimmerfest :mad - how come?

JBOB any quess as to what HP and TQ you are putting down?
250hp? :) 300 Hp?

It makes me want to build an M20 3.0 turbo with the s50 crank that I have.
By the way I dig those gauges -who makes em..and do you use sending units?

HHHHHHhhhhiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii!!!!

Nice Work Jason... Pity I won't be going to Bimmerfest.

Makes me want to sell the Typhoon, my nuts and a few other organs so I can finish. I guess J just raised the stakes. It's time to go big or go home boys.

Im rly upset with you man, I'm let down. This bottle of Jack is not going to get finished without you. I miss you, please come home.

Great work Jason. I'll need a ride to experiance this myself. How is the pull N/A? Is it conciderably more noticible than before the build? And how is the MS working out?

Nic - you are not going to bimmerfest :mad - how come?

I have stuff to take care of. I'm sorry. The new house, a friends birthday, moving out of my old house and into something cheaper (trying to save money before my house is done). I'm not getting any younger. Besides I can't get time off (leaving on thursday isn't an option). I'm not in college anymore, as much as I wish I was. Sorry guys. I'm really bummed out. I wanted to see everyone again. But you guys know how flakey and weird I am. Stephanie even said she wanted me to go, but it just doesn't make sense. Sorry Jason for jacking your thread for a minute.

I now return you to the barage of questions you have for Jason.

Sweet ride Jason. I'll have to bring the Typhoon up for a toe to toe Heavy-Ass-American-Turbo-Iron-AWD Vs. Light-Euro-Turbo-4cylinder stop light war.

Im rly upset with you man, I'm let down. This bottle of Jack is not going to get finished without you. I miss you, please come home.

Sorry, don't know what else to say. I am a party pooper. You'll just have to get doubly drunk without me.

Great work Jason. I'll need a ride to experiance this myself. How is the pull N/A? Is it conciderably more noticible than before the build? And how is the MS working out?

MegaSquirt? I though you were going SDS Jason? Are you going to drive it NA to bimmerfest? If so, you have bigger balls than The Guiness Book of World Records.

MegaSquirt? I though you were going SDS Jason?

My bad, he did use the simple digital skank

dammit nic, what the hell!? haha j/k. well, when u move into your new house, we'll have to have a big house warming-party & tear shit up! :)
BTW, i think the GT28RS might run out @ the top-end for what you were wanting...unless you get the biggest one available in that GT28 series (like the ones w/ the t3-based exhaust housing, not the t25). Those GT's should spool quicker than this t3/t04e (.63 w/ stage 3 wheel & 50-trim compressor) ball bearing i'm using. IMO, it seems the GT30 might be better suited...maybe even a GT35 if you convert to solid lifters & can rev the piss out of that motor.

Plus, my friend Cory just put on a 28rs on his B6 1.8t, and he didn't notice that big of an overall gain in power over the tiny K03....however it did spool a lot sooner.


thanks for the comments guys!! :D

some brief specs on the actual motor:
-head & block from an e30 318i
-2.0 crankshaft
-JE forged pistons (8.5:1)
-MLS headgasket w/ ARP head studs
-TopEnd's turbo high-lift turbo cam
-HPC coatings on combustion chambers, pistons, valves, & exhaust ports
-SDS EM-4F standalone fuel & ignition system
-8.5lb aluminum flywheel w/ centerforce dual friction clutch
-E21parts.net urethane engine damper, distributor flange plug, rocker arm collars, battery relocation kit
-Underdrive crank pulley
-318i water pump: uses a small pulley & has this little knub that i shaved inside of the water pump housing so it kinda act like a 'curved' finger.
-t3/t04e (.63AR stage 3 wheel, 50-trim)
-proturbo.fi exhaust manifold
-tial 38mm wastegate
-3" side-exit exhaust w/ a 1.5" open wastegate exhaust.



currently, the naturally aspirated motor pulls pretty nicely, but the ignition timing is pretty off in the mid-high rpms under high load (i can just feel the power level off instead of continuing towards redline). lol, right now 1/4 throttle is just as fast as full-throttle & that flywheel seems to be a very nice addition because the motor revs freely & decel's faster than my old 1.8. the 2.0 crank is freakin heavy compared to the 1.8 (which has 4-less counter weights)

Calm down ricers, easy ... easy

I think the only things that seperate us is that I have a holset 35, 292 lift cam(can even push a 304 lift, so the swedes do...) and a Tec3. Pretty much on the same sick build, I even have a lucky proturbo mani(used but better than anything else.) I would love to see your digits, as mine isnt running at the moment.

Nice Vids!! LOL @ Matt - Stooge :redspot

Good on ya Jason!!! Car sounds great! :buttrock

Looking fwd to seeing some engine bay pics and dyno readings.

dammit nic, what the hell!? haha j/k. well, when u move into your new house, we'll have to have a big house warming-party & tear shit up! :)
BTW, i think the GT28RS might run out @ the top-end for what you were wanting...unless you get the biggest one available in that GT28 series (like the ones w/ the t3-based exhaust housing, not the t25). Those GT's should spool quicker than this t3/t04e (.63 w/ stage 3 wheel & 50-trim compressor) ball bearing i'm using. IMO, it seems the GT30 might be better suited...maybe even a GT35 if you convert to solid lifters & can rev the piss out of that motor.

Plus, my friend Cory just put on a 28rs on his B6 1.8t, and he didn't notice that big of an overall gain in power over the tiny K03....however it did spool a lot sooner.


thanks for the comments guys!! :D

some brief specs on the actual motor:
-head & block from an e30 318i
-2.0 crankshaft
-JE forged pistons (8.5:1)
-MLS headgasket w/ ARP head studs
-TopEnd's turbo high-lift turbo cam
-HPC coatings on combustion chambers, pistons, valves, & exhaust ports
-SDS EM-4F standalone fuel & ignition system
-8.5lb aluminum flywheel w/ centerforce dual friction clutch
-E21parts.net urethane engine damper, distributor flange plug, rocker arm collars, battery relocation kit
-Underdrive crank pulley
-318i water pump: uses a small pulley & has this little knub that i shaved inside of the water pump housing so it kinda act like a 'curved' finger.
-t3/t04e (.63AR stage 3 wheel, 50-trim)
-proturbo.fi exhaust manifold
-tial 38mm wastegate
-3" side-exit exhaust w/ a 1.5" open wastegate exhaust.



currently, the naturally aspirated motor pulls pretty nicely, but the ignition timing is pretty off in the mid-high rpms under high load (i can just feel the power level off instead of continuing towards redline). lol, right now 1/4 throttle is just as fast as full-throttle & that flywheel seems to be a very nice addition because the motor revs freely & decel's faster than my old 1.8. the 2.0 crank is freakin heavy compared to the 1.8 (which has 4-less counter weights)


Great build.
I dig it. What are the dyno specs??

By the way I have garrett 28RS from a stage III APR kit on its way for my GTI. This is to replace my stock k03. JBOB I heard this turbo makes the GTI mean..granted you need the whole stage III kit or something similar, including the turbo manifold, injectors, and upgraded big turbo software,
but it pulls like a raped ape.

According to the guys at APR the 28rs puts out 340 HP/TQ which translates to roughly 300 HP/TQ to the wheels. So Nics M42 should be fast as well.
The GT 30 is offered by Autobahn designs for their upgrade and puts out even a little more, but some people in the VW world claim its "too Big".

another one here building a turbo M10......currently using a smalish Garret till I find o good/cheap Holset HX35.
Sounds really mean Jason, love the side exhaust, like a Group 5 racer. Also like were you mounted the Air/Fuel ratio mobitor. I might use your idea to mount mine there too

haha, yeah i have this feeling that the exhaust is going to draw a lot of unwarranted attention...luckily i've grown out of the ricer stage & know better than to street race everyone & their mom.

joe, yeah i'm sure on the GTI it'll kick butt....my friend put it on his A4 FWD (still a bit heavier than the GTI). he already had every bolt-on modification for the K03 (which already made it a pretty fast car) until he switched to the 28rs (and got new injectors & software). but he didn't get the manifold.
Altho, for every day driveability, i'm sure the 28RS is probably the perfectly sized turbo the 1.8t...but for higher #'s, i think something bigger would be required.


no dyno #'s for my motor yet....probably going to wait until after break-in (3,000 miles), by which time, the intercooler should be installed & ready to go.

Pat, thanks! yeah, I was sitting in my driver's seat looking around where I could put the wideband display...I was initially going to put it in the top center console (but, I thought it would look too cluttered). didn't need the seatbelt warning sign (my buckle never had the plug for it anyways) & that O2 sensor warning lamp is pretty useless...so yanked it out & wa-la.
Some slight problems is that the PLX-300's display case is a tad thicker (but still fits in that slot); and there's some empty space to the left & right of the display case (I need to fill it up w/ some spare vinyl upholstery or some matching plastic inserts).
What I might eventually do is shave a piece of plexi to fill that slot exactly and blackout the sides, just so the PLX digital readout is visible.

I don't know that much about the holset turbo's....but from I understand the HX-35's are pretty similiar to the t3/t4 60-trim or t3/60-1. regardless, it still should put out more than enough power for the m10...what are they rated @? 550hp?

windy, here's a pic of what the engine bay currently looks like (minus the blue tape on the turbo & i swapped the power cable out for the E21parts.net kit):
http://photos.bimmerforums.com/data/518/medium/IMG_0132.JPG

dammit nic, what the hell!? haha j/k. well, when u move into your new house, we'll have to have a big house warming-party & tear shit up! :)
BTW, i think the GT28RS might run out @ the top-end for what you were wanting...unless you get the biggest one available in that GT28 series (like the ones w/ the t3-based exhaust housing, not the t25). Those GT's should spool quicker than this t3/t04e (.63 w/ stage 3 wheel & 50-trim compressor) ball bearing i'm using. IMO, it seems the GT30 might be better suited...maybe even a GT35 if you convert to solid lifters & can rev the piss out of that motor.

Plus, my friend Cory just put on a 28rs on his B6 1.8t, and he didn't notice that big of an overall gain in power over the tiny K03....however it did spool a lot sooner.

Well I have been contemplating going a different route than the GT series. I wasn't going to do the GT28RS it was going to be a GT2871R. The 71 has a bigger compressor housing and is available with a T3 hot side. The only thing that really pisses me off is that the damn thing costs close to 1200 bucks. That doesn't really fit into a new house budget, although I did just enter the work Powerball Pool so you never know. I'm looking closely at a GT30 but that is more exspencive than the GT2871R. I'm pretty sure the GT2871R will work, I've done the math. I was planning on going .82 AR which should help it keep the steam up at high RPM. Maybe even spring for a T04E compressor housing. Then I've got a true GTT3/T04E, which would be hot. With a GT wheel and the works. Who knows, who cares, your car runs, mine is just sorta there. Paul just made contact today (remember M10-Power), I'm hoping to pick his brain a little.

sweet! yeah, a GTt3/t04e would be pretty hot...altho I think Garrett recently came out with the t04r housing (don't know much else about it, other than it seems to be a new housing). Cool, didn't know they made a '71' housing for the gt28-series....last time I had checked I only saw the 60-1 compressor housings.
yeah, it seems anything ball-bearing (especially the GT series) is going to cost over $1k

Yeah, Paul just PM'd me yesterday...thought he dropped off the radar, but seems he just switched to the E36-ass kicking arena.

Maybe I should just buy the GT2871R center section or a T04R center then pick up a used T3 exhaust housing and used T04E compressor side. Presto!

great idea! haha, might as well call it a GT2871R anyways...i wouldn't be surprised if that's what Garrett basically does when they build those GT turbo's & mark 'em up because they can.

where does one find a center section? I know they are selling T04R center sections as an upgrade for T04E owners. But I can't find a place that sells just center sections.

EDIT: Slowboy racing sells T BB center sections for 630 bucks. Then I just need a T3 and T04 housing. I'd like a T04R housing, but who knows. And ATP is going to be selling them soon it seems.

fleabay? might be able to find a blow'd up t3/t4 for cheap (but i think a .71 compressor might be hard to find on a t3/t4).

There's a couple local places in the phoenix area that are garrett dealers...could give them a call & see what they can do. one place i know of is in Glendale: www.phoenixturbo.com

Nic, Clay at kinetic motorsports can get the garrett 2871,

or any other turbo you so desire. His prices are pretty reasonable.

However a the price of a garrett 28rs or superior turbo is about 1200.
I got lucky and got mine for $600 from APR, as a used turbo from a stage III kit.

later.
J

couple questions Jason:
1-what kind of Throtle body and TPS you using? since most BMWs use a on-off tps instead of a potentiometer
2-where you got that remote oil filter housing from?
3-If you are using the 2.0 crank, are you using the 1.8 rods? and the 318i head, what part number pistons you ordered from JE or are they custom/secret; I would like to get forged pistons too

Pat,
I'm currently using a stock e30 318i throttle body (had to modify the throttle linkage & chop the TPS rod shorter to use a GM TPS). The TPS came off some Pontiac POS @ a local junkyard. then i just used 2 small rectangles of aluminum (w/ 4 small bolts) to mount it on the 318i throttle body.
It's only a temporary part until I can adapt a bigger throttle body....preferably something that has a potentiometer-type throttle body already on it.

remote oil filter housing i just got from summitracing.com...I need to relocate it again or angle it downwards (oil changes can get really messy if i don't unbolt the mount the filter is screwed onto).

all the E21 rods are the same spec, but yeah, I'm using the 2.0 crank w/ the 1.8 rods. I'm not exactly sure of the part # for the JE pistons...I had ordered the full rebuild kit from TopEnd, told them the crank, rods, head, & CR that I wanted, and they sent the order into JE. So TopEnd definately has the specs for the pistons (that little spec sheet of paper that i've seen some people receive w/ their JE pistons was never included with my set :( )

That car sounds awesome! Good job! Ahhhh, back to my measly 101hp... for now. After reading a few forums, I'm surprised the amount of Turbo guys out there. I was thinking about a M20 swap, now I'm starting to rethink.

Mark Mullin
Edmonton, AB

83 320i

cool thanks a lot Jason. As for the TPS and TB you can mount a 325i (e30)TB you might need to slot some of the mounting holesm, and use a TBS from an e36 325/328 as they mount on the stock location and are potentiometer style