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PrestoMB 01-30-2006, 04:35 PM I ran against an RX7 today. We were on a one lane back road that is very windy and has a lot of elevation changes. So I was minding my business and I saw him coming up on my bumper very rapidly. SO there was a car in front of me in the beggining. The car infront was doing prolly around 50mph. So the RX7 was behind me and and I kept slowing down and speeding up. The car in front of me eventually turned off. So I was in 2nd gear and and went WOT. By the end of second gear he got right on my tail from about 2 car lengths back. As we went into 3rd gear I was startign to pull away he stayed about one car length back as we ended third gear at around 95mph. All in all it was a good run and I had fun. At the end he waved and I returned a wave. It was nice to see someone that actually has respect for others and didnt do a gay ricer flyby.
KarlSpackler 01-30-2006, 04:37 PM What generation?
If it was the TT, then no, sorry but you didnt.
If it was n/a.... NICE KILL:D
OMGWTFBODY 01-30-2006, 04:37 PM http://totalcar.index.hu/images/tortenelem/mazdarx7/rx7_11.jpg
FD
Or
FC
http://www.rx7-gallery.co.uk/binrx7/savannah_rx7_8592/7fc2_85cat3.jpg
EDIT: What generation?
If it was the TT, then no, sorry but you didnt.
If it was n/a.... NICE KILL:D
You l00ser. I was searching, you were posting. :shifty.
KarlSpackler 01-30-2006, 04:53 PM You l00ser. I was searching, you were posting. :shifty.
:Itisnotamystery
chewietobbacca 01-30-2006, 05:05 PM FD = :drool:
Effervescent 01-30-2006, 05:36 PM If it was n/a.... NICE KILL:D
Uh...how was this a kill for the Bimmer?!?
He went WOT in 2nd gear and the rotary behind him, from 2 CLs back, was right up his hiney by the end of 2nd gear. Then the rotary stayed back a CL so as to not hit the Bimmer's rear bumper most likely. lol
My guess is it was a non-turbo 2nd generation. Cause it sounds a lot like a race I had with my stock non-forced RX-7 against my buddy's e46 325i.
-Eff
98///M3 01-30-2006, 05:51 PM if its a FD twin turbo, then no way u beat him...if its a FC turbo, i still doubt ud beat him..if its a FC NA then yes, good kill!
Effervescent 01-30-2006, 05:56 PM I might be reading this wrong but I don't think it's a kill.
It just sounds like the RX-7 didn't bother to go around and pass him. More like, just backed off after proving his point.
Confused,
-Eff
dano670 01-30-2006, 06:59 PM It read as though the RX7 was slightly faster because at 95 mph, the 7 was a car length back. My guess it was an FC turbo.
PrestoMB 01-30-2006, 07:51 PM It wasnt a kill by no means. I was just having some spirited fun with another enthusiast. It was an FD, but I tihnk it was N/A. He pulled quickly up to me, but not fast enough to make him seem turboed. All in all I had some fun thats it.
Sherman321 01-30-2006, 08:30 PM Im pretty sure all FD RX7's were TT, someone correct me if I'm wrong.
I'm glad to hear that you guys are getting some racing action, no one wants any of the old M6... go figure
dano670 01-30-2006, 08:47 PM All FDs came twin turbo. A good portion are single turbo because the complicated turbo system. Nice to hear that you ran into a fellow enthusiast on a twisty road.
xtrmn8tr 01-30-2006, 08:53 PM the FD was toying with you then :buttrock
Effervescent 01-30-2006, 09:01 PM It was an FD, but I tihnk it was N/A.
Hee hee...Newbie! ;)
-Eff
98///M3 01-30-2006, 09:02 PM yea NO FD ever came NA here..they were all Twin Turbo
ARCpolo 01-30-2006, 09:28 PM All FDs are twin turbo stock, and even in stock form, they are mid- high 13s cars depending on drivers. However, you rarely see a bone stock one, like any E36 chassis M3s, most of them are enthusists cars, so they are probably highly modified. Just adding downpipe, exhaust, and an ECU, around 300rwhp is achievable. No E36 chassis unless force induction can come close.
Effervescent 01-30-2006, 10:19 PM 350rwhp? Oh momma!:redspot
What does your RX-7 weight?
-Eff
BadR1 01-30-2006, 10:35 PM The bulky touring tips the scales at just under 2,900 in stock trim. Start modding it and the pounds start coming off quick. Man I love the FD3s. Many of you other members have one as well. That is awesome
xtrmn8tr 01-30-2006, 10:35 PM All FDs are twin turbo stock, and even in stock form, they are mid- high 13s cars depending on drivers. However, you rarely see a bone stock one, like any E36 chassis M3s, most of them are enthusists cars, so they are probably highly modified. Just adding downpipe, exhaust, and an ECU, around 300rwhp is achievable. No E36 chassis unless force induction can come close.
The man knows what he is talking about .....Wuzup Marco
PrestoMB 01-30-2006, 10:53 PM Damn, my bad guys. He must of really been toying with me:D . It was all good and fun though. But I was happiest to see an enthusiast nto some punk that thinks there car is the best and thats it.
BadR1 01-30-2006, 11:08 PM FD's handel like there on rails too. Almost perfect 50/50 weight distrobuiton. Good to hear that you guys had fun and no one lost controll.
Akumo 01-31-2006, 01:03 AM I want one so bad it hurts. I had a chance to get one for 7000 dollars but the motor had to be rebuilt, it was good other than that.... am I a complete idiot?
Tbone325 01-31-2006, 01:14 AM Its cool and all having fun driving and stuff, but this is not a kill. I think the title of this sub forum is Kill Stories. I'm probably being an asshole, but when I see the latest post as 325 vs. RX7 I get excited cause I've got a M50 too, but now I feel duped cause I read about a 325is getting in the way of a RX7 on a single lane highway. Sorry for being a dick man, I know you had a fun time, and driving with other enthusiasts is always cool, I like what your doing with your M50, looks familiar ;)
chewietobbacca 01-31-2006, 02:34 AM I want one so bad it hurts. I had a chance to get one for 7000 dollars but the motor had to be rebuilt, it was good other than that.... am I a complete idiot?
You could always consider a good LS1 swap for a few thousand... but it will change the style of the car from a high revving car to a torque monster..
giterdone 01-31-2006, 03:53 AM Its cool and all having fun driving and stuff, but this is not a kill. I think the title of this sub forum is Kill Stories. I'm probably being an asshole, but when I see the latest post as 325 vs. RX7 I get excited cause I've got a M50 too, but now I feel duped cause I read about a 325is getting in the way of a RX7 on a single lane highway. Sorry for being a dick man, I know you had a fun time, and driving with other enthusiasts is always cool, I like what your doing with your M50, looks familiar ;)
no you aren't being an asshole, you are being a douche nozzle.
Yes it is called kills, but technically nobody has ever posted a kill story. I don't remember anybody ever posting a story where they killed the person they raced.
Also, why did you get excited about a 325 vs an RX7? You like hearing of M50s getting spanked? I mean that is the only logical outcome against an FD.
But to the TS, fun runs are always great. Also just having the chance to see FDs are great. But yes he was toying with you. They all came Twin turbo, with 255chp stock. They had numbers comparing to the e36 m3 in stock trim. That easily changed in the FD's favor, with the simplest of mods.
Tbone325 01-31-2006, 04:17 AM How was I supposed to know it was turboed knuckle head, I drive a bimmer, not a mazda. Go fuck yourself.
Kill, as in actually kill someone? Please, we all know what the kills forum is for.
OMG what would happen if a turboed M50 ran against a FD? Who knows, maybe that'll be the next kill. I got interested (better word than excited) cause I have a M50 wow what a concept :eek:
I apologiezed for my tone ahead of time and said how any runs can be fun
and you still had to chime in. You're a real genius.
giterdone 01-31-2006, 06:54 AM How was I supposed to know it was turboed knuckle head, I drive a bimmer, not a mazda. Go fuck yourself.
Kill, as in actually kill someone? Please, we all know what the kills forum is for.
OMG what would happen if a turboed M50 ran against a FD? Who knows, maybe that'll be the next kill. I got interested (better word than excited) cause I have a M50 wow what a concept :eek:
I apologiezed for my tone ahead of time and said how any runs can be fun
and you still had to chime in. You're a real genius.
well when someone says RX7, most everyone thinks FD, which ALL ARE TURBOED. I'd also venture to guess that a turboed m50 would still get spanked by an FD. I know there is probably the occassional exception, but most would.
Also, the reason I still chimed in, because you being so smart, instead of just deleting what you wrote while being an ass, just typed crap after it. Wouldn't it have just been simpler to edit your whole post instead of typing a few paragraphs of drivel?
Also you might want to edit your previous post, profanity (i.e. the eff word) is a lockable and time outable offense.
Yes, we all know what kills are for........RACING It doesn't necessarily have to be a victory for anybody, especially not a bimmer. :rolleyes
ARCpolo 01-31-2006, 09:07 AM My FD weights 2850 w/ me in it last time we were @ the drag strip, and I weight about 160. All I did was changing full exhaust, and losing my 10lb spare donut.
Whatsup Adam, hows the 20b project coming? Hit me up, would love to come by and check out the project FD.
ARCpolo 01-31-2006, 09:16 AM I would hate to say this, but most stock twin turbo FDs puts down around 350ish rwhp with all bolt-ons, however, I would have to say almost 1 out of 3 is single turbo Rx-7s. Most Gt35/40r or T-78 puts down around 450-500 rhwp on a 2700lb chassis on pump gas. That is a 11s 120+ trap car. I dont think any turbo M50 would come close, but there are exceptions. I am not even gonna mention 3 rotors 20b rx-7s...
02white330ci 01-31-2006, 09:40 AM My good friend has a Big Single Turbo Rx7. Ive driven it a bunch of times. It scares the absolute sh*t out of me. I've never had so much fun merging onto a highway and going from 40-120 in what felt like 3 seconds. My only complaint about the car is the turbo lag. I swore from like 2000-3000 rpms it feels like a civic, then after that, Holy SH*t hold on cause u get whiplashed into the back of the seat, but anyone who owns one knows to keep it revving at around 3000 rpms if not higher. When i had my mustang Cobra, he made me look like i just slammed on the brakes when we were racing. I want to try to get some pics up, but he hasnt had the thing out of his garage since the summer time.
giterdone 01-31-2006, 12:20 PM I would hate to say this, but most stock twin turbo FDs puts down around 350ish rwhp with all bolt-ons, however, I would have to say almost 1 out of 3 is single turbo Rx-7s. Most Gt35/40r or T-78 puts down around 450-500 rhwp on a 2700lb chassis on pump gas. That is a 11s 120+ trap car. I dont think any turbo M50 would come close, but there are exceptions. I am not even gonna mention 3 rotors 20b rx-7s...
polo, I just want to say that is a beautiful touring you got there. God I wanted one so bad, but didn't know enough about them to make it my DD.
Also, I thought most guys dont do 20bs. I used to think they were real great, but I heard alot of guys end up having to squash the idea mid-project, due to lack of fundings.
HeLLroT325iS 01-31-2006, 12:36 PM Its cool and all having fun driving and stuff, but this is not a kill. I think the title of this sub forum is Kill Stories. I'm probably being an asshole, but when I see the latest post as 325 vs. RX7 I get excited cause I've got a M50 too, but now I feel duped cause I read about a 325is getting in the way of a RX7 on a single lane highway. Sorry for being a dick man, I know you had a fun time, and driving with other enthusiasts is always cool, I like what your doing with your M50, looks familiar ;)
is your name Oprah? I'm sorry you felt misled. You have my sympathies.;) j/k
ARCpolo 01-31-2006, 01:04 PM Thanks giterdone. Mine is not a DD, and I would not recommand an FD to be one. There are a few FD folks use the FD as a DD, but it will be very costly. I am beginning to see many 20B projects around rx7 board, and it is a costly project. But who would mind a 600rwhp 20b on low boost??? I think there is a beautiful 20b turbo on sale for like 40K, and it makes around 600-900 rhwp depend on boost level......Personally, a new rebuilt 13B only costs around 3K..
oldM3r 01-31-2006, 01:57 PM I cried the day I sold my FD and I also rejoiced! Love hate relationship but I will own another one when I have 20k in play money to put into it.
My FD would smoke my current car until you get to ludacrious speeds.
xtrmn8tr 01-31-2006, 03:14 PM My FD weights 2850 w/ me in it last time we were @ the drag strip, and I weight about 160. All I did was changing full exhaust, and losing my 10lb spare donut.
Whatsup Tony, hows the 20b project coming? Hit me up, would love to come by and check out the project FD.
It's at Pettit in FL getting Ported....:D
BadR1 01-31-2006, 03:33 PM 20B single turbo drool! Mine is running twins and I am making a litte over 430rwhp at 19psi, O but I have the BNR Stage 3's I love them no more lag then the stockers and still in seq. mode.
I have had the t78 before I just got pissed when I was running stop light to stop light and getting taken by stock trans ams and stuff. It was like slow as hell then tire smoke, shift tire smoke, shift tire smoke, and was still behind.
OMGWTFBODY 01-31-2006, 03:58 PM :Itisnotamystery
:itisnotasock
:shifty
Yes it is called kills, but technically nobody has ever posted a kill story. I don't remember anybody ever posting a story where they killed the person they raced.
Didn't Hugo or someone post a pigeon story a few months back :devillook
giterdone 02-01-2006, 12:36 AM :itisnotasock
:shifty
Didn't Hugo or someone post a pigeon story a few months back :devillook
haha, yeah, there were a couple literal kills. I forgot about that. :lol3
eXpLiCiT 02-01-2006, 01:06 AM Fb Ftw!!
OMGWTFBODY 02-01-2006, 02:03 AM Fb Ftw!!
If that was a good picture, I'd download it.
atl93fd 02-01-2006, 08:50 AM There are some incredibly quick FB's, FC's and FD's running around.
I was feeling cocky one day heading south on GA400 coming through the toll plaza. I glance to my right and see a White NA Supra accelerating away from the plaza. He glances left, sees the silver FD downshift and it's on. We continue to accelerate up to about 130 (for me) through the tunnel underneath the financial plaza. There weren't any cars around, and this was still plenty dangerous for me so I backed down. He accelerated like an absolute rocket putting at LEAST 8 cars on me. Turns out, it was NA, but had been singled making about 550 at the wheels. This thing was loud, at 7K RPM I couldn't even hear my car. He was running a downpipe, no exhaust.
I had a similar experience with a Cayenne Turbo, he tried overtaking and cutting me off. A downshift and WOT put an end to that, I was still surpried at how quick that thing was. We shut it down at about 110, with me putting several cars on him.
Those were the days, I miss the FD incredibly. While the acceleration and top speed were fantastic, you can NOT replace the handling and cornering feel of the car.
Having said that, there is a lot that the 540/6 has to offer that the FD would never have. I appreciate them both in their own sense.
bmwhotdrive 02-01-2006, 09:41 AM All FDs are twin turbo stock, and even in stock form, they are mid- high 13s cars depending on drivers. However, you rarely see a bone stock one, like any E36 chassis M3s, most of them are enthusists cars, so they are probably highly modified. Just adding downpipe, exhaust, and an ECU, around 300rwhp is achievable. No E36 chassis unless force induction can come close.
Bullshit boost is overrated and lets not mention that the RX7's are notorius for tranny problems once u start modding em...replaced 6 of em in the 5 months i was helping a freind out at his performance shop
atl93fd 02-01-2006, 10:04 AM lets not mention that the RX7's are notorius for tranny problems once u start modding em...replaced 6 of em in the 5 months i was helping a freind out at his performance shop
If you are referring to the synchros (particularly 5th) going bad then you are correct. Stating that RX7's are notorious for tranny problems once you start modding them is very incorrect. Stating that they are notorious for engines going "pop" is very correct on the other hand.
You are of course entitled to your own opinion on boost, although I think we are steering WAY OT.
02white330ci 02-01-2006, 10:25 AM I dont think boost is overrated one bit. My friend adjusts the boost by 1 or 2 lbs and its a nice difference in power. Usually he is running around 15-16 pounds and with the flick of a switch he is up to 20 and the difference is insane.
ARCpolo 02-01-2006, 02:36 PM atl93fd, how much power did your FD put down when you had it?
atl93fd 02-01-2006, 03:31 PM atl93fd, how much power did your FD put down when you had it?
Right about 350 HP, 282 torque. I had some upgrades done afterwards and never had them dyno'd. I.E. pulleys, efini Y-pipe, Greddy elbow. I was running about 13.5 lbs most of the time, creeping up to 1 bar on the stock twins run sequentially (wish I would have kept her and done the new BNR's). Steve Kan did the tuning and ported the engine. I ran out of fuel, I should have have upgraded the secondaries. I only upgraded the primaries, which I later regretted (full exhaust and large primary injectors makes for a horrible smell around town soaking into your clothes and what not). The car was a DD for about a year, I drove it about 20 miles each way. Stop and go Traffic in the Atlanta heat. I was running an Aquamist 2d water injection set up, could watch my temps cool the longer I was on boost.
Then came Marriage, houses, pets. We're full german now: 2 Dobermans, Wife: X5 4.4, Me 98 540/6, Brother: 02 540, Sister: 325, Mother: 01 740.
ARCpolo 02-02-2006, 09:14 AM You have a very similar setup as mine, about same hp and what not. I upgraded my secondary, and before I was hitting around 1 bar and would max out my IDC to 100%. After the fuel upgrade, it drops to around 60% with just the 1600cc secondary. I would probably do the BNR stage 3 as well in the near future.
atl93fd 02-02-2006, 12:12 PM You have a very similar setup as mine, about same hp and what not. I upgraded my secondary, and before I was hitting around 1 bar and would max out my IDC to 100%. After the fuel upgrade, it drops to around 60% with just the 1600cc secondary. I would probably do the BNR stage 3 as well in the near future.
If you haven't looked at it yet, I would look at the Aquamist 2D water injection system. I was mixing 50% methanol /50% distilled water. My intake temps reduced DRASTICALLY and I had almost no knock. It was a very smooth combustion process, virtually eliminated carbon buildup and hotspots.
Some people tune for it, almost like they are running on race gas. I used it as a preventative measure, had it coming on when I boosted > 10 lbs. It automatically maps to your IDC, so you get a constant ratio of water/fuel (and more air due to cooler temps).
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