so my buddy Stuntman got a '91 MR2 Turbo with 150k miles on it about a week ago. we're riding around in it, and he's going on and on about how quick it is when the turbo kicks in, how torquey it is, and how he wants to try to race an E36 M3. he was giddy as a schoolgirl over this thing. and i'll be honest, riding in it/driving it, it FEELS really fast.

so we go get lunch in separate cars, and i'm now in my 325 (140k miles). on the way back, we line up on a deserted road, both at about 4000 rpm in 2nd gear. 1, 2, 3, and we're off.

it was DEAD EVEN, all the way to over 110mph! if anything, i was pulling ever so slightly. :alright



we cool it, and he pulls up next to me with a WTF? expression.


we try again from 2nd gear.... same result. both cars are stock, and have similar gear ratios. mr2 has 200hp and weighs alot less; 325is has 189hp.


bottom line is i'm stoked :buttrock :buttrock :alright :alright :redspot :redspot




cliff notes: '91 MR2 Turbo vs '95 325is from 2nd gear roll. it was dead even. bitches.

thats sick. Good kill.

Seems a bit logical. The "feel" of power can be deceiving. But I know I raced a modded 2nd Gen MR2 turbo back in Feb 05, I was stock except for heavy rims, and I slowly pulled on him. He had a quick car, with either aftermarket turbo, or he modded the stock trim.

bad driver on the part of the MR-2 or something, he should have won ur 325...hahaha maybe its the NA one

bad driver on the part of the MR-2 or something, he should have won ur 325...hahaha maybe its the NA one
oh wait, you're right, a 325. I was thinking 328. Hmm...then yeah, bad driving on MR2. Not saying he should've spanked you, but should've definately beat you.

150,000 miles on an MR-2...

Toyota's last forever, I can attest to that, but MR-2's are notorious for randomly eating engines, especially the turbo's. It's probably been run pretty ragged, so I can see how a 325 with a driver that doesn't suck might have a chance.

150,000 miles on an MR-2...

Toyota's last forever, I can attest to that, but MR-2's are notorious for randomly eating engines, especially the turbo's. It's probably been run pretty ragged, so I can see how a 325 with a driver that doesn't suck might have a chance.


good call...it's possible i'd say

bad driver on the part of the MR-2 or something,

most likely.





i was surprised, because like i said, the MR2 does feel really fast.

i guess BMW's are so smooth you don't realize how quick they are :alright

All MR2 owners are crappy drivers anyhow:checkered :checkered :checkered

All MR2 owners are crappy drivers anyhow:checkered :checkered :checkered

:confused

My cousin owns one, same year with a 95 JDM Spec 3 engine in it, aftermarket turbo, etc and he pulls on me about 3-4cls to 120mph when I'm in my Dinan. MR2s are badass cars. That one, I bet is just worn down.

At the end of the day/race.....its still a Toyota, and you have the Bimmer:)

:confused

My cousin owns one, same year with a 95 JDM Spec 3 engine in it, aftermarket turbo, etc and he pulls on me about 3-4cls to 120mph when I'm in my Dinan. MR2s are badass cars. That one, I bet is just worn down.
yea, 155k on a turbo car is alot, especially w/shot turbo hoses and old plugs, wires, and distributor. -all which will be fixed and running soon.

but what do I know, I hate MR2's and their drivers...;)

At the end of the day/race.....its still a Toyota, and you have the Bimmer:)



it really was a win/win situation for me :alright

Oh you're just loving that...

Just wait... just wait... When the Toyota beats the "mighty" bimmer, and even WORSE when a MIATA beats a bimmer!!!!

:confused

My cousin owns one, same year with a 95 JDM Spec 3 engine in it, aftermarket turbo, etc and he pulls on me about 3-4cls to 120mph when I'm in my Dinan. MR2s are badass cars. That one, I bet is just worn down.
haile, I think he was using a bit of sarcasm. :)

Actually both the 325is and MR2 Turbo should run high 14's. Add in that the turbo car has 150k miles, regardless of whether it's a Toyota and he's down on power.

The other thing owners of German cars have to remember is that our horsepower is rated at the brakes, not the crank. Most turbo MR2s dyno in the 170's for both horsepower and torque.

MR2 Turbo: 2880lbs | 175whp = 16.457 (pwr/weight)
BMW 325is: 3100lbs | 189whp = 16.402

I have an MR2 to go along with my bimmer, which I love, but I must say MR2s are an entirely different experience. They have absolutely no body roll and something about them forces you to drive 30mph over the speed limit pretty consistently.

All in all I must say good kill.

I have an MR2 to go along with my bimmer, which I love, but I must say MR2s are an entirely different experience. They have absolutely no body roll and something about them forces you to drive 30mph over the speed limit pretty consistently.


Psh. I do that in my Jeep.

Through corners.

...and I'm only halfway kidding.

TWISTIES FTW! :devillook

Actually both the 325is and MR2 Turbo should run high 14's. Add in that the turbo car has 150k miles, regardless of whether it's a Toyota and he's down on power.

The other thing owners of German cars have to remember is that our horsepower is rated at the brakes, not the crank. Most turbo MR2s dyno in the 170's for both horsepower and torque.

MR2 Turbo: 2880lbs | 175whp = 16.457 (pwr/weight)
BMW 325is: 3100lbs | 189whp = 16.402

I have an MR2 to go along with my bimmer, which I love, but I must say MR2s are an entirely different experience. They have absolutely no body roll and something about them forces you to drive 30mph over the speed limit pretty consistently.

All in all I must say good kill.
I believe your figures are wrong. The m50 puts out 189hp at the crank ... so like 160ish at the wheels?!

While going over the whole car today, tearing everything apart (since i just got the MR2) i found out that the turbo's bearings are shot and needs to be replaced....:(

I believe your figures are wrong. The m50 puts out 189hp at the crank ... so like 160ish at the wheels?!

After looking around at some information I guess BMW does rate the power at the crank. Those bastards. I thought they were smart and rated the power at the wheels for their stock cars, like Porsche. I think I'm going to go cry now.

After looking around at some information I guess BMW does rate the power at the crank. Those bastards. I thought they were smart and rated the power at the wheels for their stock cars, like Porsche. I think I'm going to go cry now.



I'm pretty sure ALL manufacturers rate their HP at the crank.


If they didn't, you would see different HP & torque curves for automatic-equipped cars vs the same model with a manual.


n00b :rolleyes

To be honest I enjoy having the "feel of speed/power" rather than actual speed/power...b/c then your not going as fast, but still having the same ammount of fun...my friend has a 1990-1992 iono gsx awd turbo and it has like 200 or less hp, but you wouldn't be able to tell cuz once it hits boost (around 3,000-500 rpm) that thing throws you into the seat of the car...it's sick, even though your not even going that fast...would be hard to control in the twisties I imagine though...

To be honest I enjoy having the "feel of speed/power" rather than actual speed/power...b/c then your not going as fast, but still having the same ammount of fun...my friend has a 1990-1992 iono gsx awd turbo and it has like 200 or less hp, but you wouldn't be able to tell cuz once it hits boost (around 3,000-500 rpm) that thing throws you into the seat of the car...it's sick, even though your not even going that fast...would be hard to control in the twisties I imagine though...
can always get a 1.6L miata, put a weak turbocharger on it, and "feel" like you're going fast once the turbo spools up and not go that fast.

At the end of the day, their all street cars...

must say MR2s are an entirely different experience. They have absolutely no body roll and something about them forces you to drive 30mph over the speed limit pretty consistently.


Yeah they really do. My friend had a pretty highly modded one, and he let me drive it once. Once. I swapped ends, and that was the last time I ever sat behind the wheel in that car. I had about 20 minutes of pure joy before that though. Those things are a riot!

BTW, nice kill, but the MR2'll take you if it's well maintained.

oh wait, you're right, a 325. I was thinking 328. Hmm...then yeah, bad driving on MR2. Not saying he should've spanked you, but should've definately beat you.

I dont quite understand why people say this about 325s and 328s. I'm not trying to open up a can of worms but stock for stock a 325 and a 328 have nearly identical performance. And unless a 328 has the M50 manifold or cams it isnt going to be a huge amount faster than a 325.

As the owner of both a modded 325is and a modded 328i the difference is night and day. Low and mid range torque make a bigger difference than you think.

Good kill with the MR2, but I'm gunna have to agree with the other guys on the bad driver and/or worn out car theory.

I dont quite understand why people say this about 325s and 328s. I'm not trying to open up a can of worms but stock for stock a 325 and a 328 have nearly identical performance. And unless a 328 has the M50 manifold or cams it isnt going to be a huge amount faster than a 325.

was his car auto or manual??

Ive raced 328s with similar mods to me and been dead even or beat them. I agree totally that once you get into more mods the 328 definitly has an advantage, but at a simple intake/exhaust/chip stage, I have been dead even with the 2.8, and I'm sure my car isnt a freak.

5speed, stock for a stock, a 328 would have no problem with a 325. Given equal variables of course. If you put intake/exhuaust/chip on a 325, sure that will bump it up and make it about even. Their numbers aren't THAT far off. But stock for a stock, a 328 is much quicker than a 325.