Basically, he beat me by about 2 car lengths from a dig...

From what I could see/hear, he had an exhaust, bov, and pillar mounted gauges. This was one of the older ones, non sti, with the bug eye headlights. I should also mention it was extremely wet. I think we went up to about 90..and I was catching up to him very slowly, but maybe he wasnt trying anymore??

Anyways, do you think because he was AWD and it was raining he beat me by alot, or would it not matter anways..

he should have beaten you worse...especially in the rain.

Did he rev up and launch off the line??? he should have killed you off the line and just kept pulling on you from there.

your gearing and top end wont come into effect until around 120-130mph when they start to lose steam.

When I had my 04WRX 2 years ago...I could DESTROY 325s and 328s anything below 100mph.

he is lighter and has more power...especially if he is modded.

he should have beaten you worse...especially in the rain.

Did he rev up and launch off the line??? he should have killed you off the line and just kept pulling on you from there.

your gearing and top end wont come into effect until around 120-130mph when they start to lose steam.

When I had my 04WRX 2 years ago...I could DESTROY 325s and 328s anything below 100mph.

he is lighter and has more power...especially if he is modded.

What he said. Next time try from a high speed roll when its dry and see how you do.

I think he would have beat u by alot regardless if it was raining....and wat are u doing racing on the street in the rain? thats prolly one of the worst times to race man, b4 it rains hard, during, and after. Street racing is dangerous let alone in the rain, ur crazy man...u can lose control easy, but either way i think he should have won

My friends gotta subbie wrx with intake bov and we raced from a roll 45 mph uphill (long bridge) and in wet conditions, he had me by 1.5 car lenghs and if i had another quarter mile or so of no traffic i would have passed him at around 120mph. I havent raced him from a dig on dry flat pavement yet, im sure he'll win but not by much at all.

My friends gotta subbie wrx with intake bov and we raced from a roll 45 mph uphill (long bridge) and in wet conditions, he had me by 1.5 car lenghs and if i had another quarter mile or so of no traffic i would have passed him at around 120mph. I havent raced him from a dig on dry flat pavement yet, im sure he'll win but not by much at all.


does your friend have an auto or 5-speed WRX???

your race with him sounds too close for a near stock 328...all you have is a stromung exhaust...mostly noise.

i agree you should catchup to him eventually and pass him around 120-130...but then even you will be running out of steam with just a 328.....if it was a 330ci...thats a different story.

but something seems wrong if you think that even from a dig on dry pavement he will "barely" beat you....a 230hp WRX with AWD should rape your heavier,less hp,rwd 328...especially at anything under 100mph.

yea its a 5 speed, 230hp but its only about 170hp to the wheels. Those cars are not THAT fast. its in the 328's range and with the right mods the 328 can definitely beat it. In my case theres a chance it was only a car and half length because of a bad driver in the wrx.

yea its a 5 speed, 230hp but its only about 170hp to the wheels. Those cars are not THAT fast. its in the 328's range and with the right mods the 328 can definitely beat it. In my case theres a chance it was only a car and half length because of a bad driver in the wrx.


well...its fast enough to run 0-60 in 5.4 seconds and through the 1/4 mile at 14.0 - 14.1 seconds.

last time I checked the 328 runs 0-60 in about 7 seconds (6.8-6.9) and does a high 14 (14.8-15.0) 1/4 mile.

and please explain the mods a 328 can receive to beat a WRX???? let alone a WRX with simple-bolt ons ...ie: intake,turboback,ECU reflash (adding about 40-50hp)and turning it into a solid mid 13 car.

the 328 isnt in the same league of the WRX...dont kid yourself.

the WRX is with the e36 M3 and SRT-4 and 350z

yeah thats what i thot too, i mean its a turbo car..perfect platform for go fast goodies

Good run! I never got the chance to race one myself. I always wanted to see how I would do.

well...its fast enough to run 0-60 in 5.4 seconds and through the 1/4 mile at 14.0 - 14.1 seconds.

last time I checked the 328 runs 0-60 in about 7 seconds (6.8-6.9) and does a high 14 (14.8-15.0) 1/4 mile.

and please explain the mods a 328 can receive to beat a WRX???? let alone a WRX with simple-bolt ons ...ie: intake,turboback,ECU reflash (adding about 40-50hp)and turning it into a solid mid 13 car.

the 328 isnt in the same league of the WRX...dont kid yourself.

the WRX is with the e36 M3 and SRT-4 and 350z



ARE U KIDDING ME? its a wrx not an sti. 328's run 0-60 in 6.6 seconds in a 5 speed. tell me where u got the statitistics that the wrx run's 14.1. Thats funny because my friend with the wrx has a brother with an srt 4 (WHICH RUNS A 14.1) and the srt-4 smokes him.

I dont think you have any idea what your talking about, dont kid yourself.

....and wat are u doing racing on the street in the rain? thats prolly one of the worst times to race man, b4 it rains hard, during, and after. Street racing is dangerous let alone in the rain, ur crazy man...u can lose control easy...

I concur.

ARE U KIDDING ME? its a wrx not an sti. 328's run 0-60 in 6.6 seconds in a 5 speed. tell me where u got the statitistics that the wrx run's 14.1. Thats funny because my friend with the wrx has a brother with an srt 4 (WHICH RUNS A 14.1) and the srt-4 smokes him.

I dont think you have any idea what your talking about, dont kid yourself.


ummmm...hahahahahahahahah

ARE U KIDDING ME? its a wrx not an sti. 328's run 0-60 in 6.6 seconds in a 5 speed. tell me where u got the statitistics that the wrx run's 14.1. Thats funny because my friend with the wrx has a brother with an srt 4 (WHICH RUNS A 14.1) and the srt-4 smokes him.

I dont think you have any idea what your talking about, dont kid yourself.


somebody please help me straighten this guy out!!!!

im not bsing you....a WRX runs a 14.0-14.1 all day long...i know its not the STi.

thats why the STi runs a low 13!!!!!!!

do some research...obviously no one in your circle of friends knows anything about cars or how to drive them.

I think i have a better clue than you...i used to own a WRX and i currently own an m3, cobra, bike, etc....

my truck is faster than your 328 for crying out loud!...LOL

my truck is faster than your 328 for crying out loud!...LOL

good one...

good one...


haha..the funny thing is...I bet it is faster....my truck should run a mid 14 1/4 mile with it mods.. (HEMI,intake,catback,headers,programmer)

thats gotta be embarassing....and if you win....i got 4 other vehicles that could hurt ya pretty badly.



***Please find me a link where your claims are backed up though.....im waiting. You are sooo sure a WRX isnt a 14 second car.....prove it!

im waiting and I bet half the board will be waiting to once they see this nonsense.

haha my truck would smoke u guys. i just got the new Jeep Srt-8 .. fucking fast as hell, and no mods.
0-60 just about 5.9 - 6 sec.

haha my truck would smoke u guys. i just got the new Jeep Srt-8 .. fucking fast as hell, and no mods.
0-60 just about 5.9 - 6 sec.


LOL.....i bet it would....(but i can still tow 9000lbs!!! with my truck)

The WRX is a fast car, and with a few light mods, it would spank even a e36 m3 easily... exhaust, downpipe, and a tune can gain 40+ horsepower easily, with a bov and light turbo upgrades with the right tune map you can get 80+ no problem

true true.. i actually hit that thing to about 5.4 0-60.
supposedly the dealer told me faster then that but i havent tried yet, i think 5.4 is pretty darn fast.

***Please find me a link where your claims are backed up though.....im waiting. You are sooo sure a WRX isnt a 14 second car.....prove it!

im waiting and I bet half the board will be waiting to once they see this nonsense.


I asked you first where did you get your stats that it DOES run a 14.1. I have no stats, just from what i've seen, srt-4 vs wrx. As a matter of fact, that srt-4 was in the same race as me and the wrx, and he blew past us, with a handicap start.

The WRX is a fast car, and with a few light mods, it would spank even a e36 m3 easily... exhaust, downpipe, and a tune can gain 40+ horsepower easily, with a bov and light turbo upgrades with the right tune map you can get 80+ no problem


thank you!

I asked you first where did you get your stats that it DOES run a 14.1. I have no stats, just from what i've seen, srt-4 vs wrx. As a matter of fact, that srt-4 was in the same race as me and the wrx, and he blew past us, with a handicap start.


well...i ran my 04 WRX with just an intake at the time to a 14.18 @ 97mph at ATCO.

EVERY SINGLE magazine (i hate to bench race but there is a consistency)....qoutes the WRX to a 5.4-5.8 0-60 time and a 14.0-14.3 1/4 mile depending on where you look.

You must be confusing the WRX and STi....the WRX is not slow at all...the STi is just VERY fast for what it is....the STi runs a 13.1-13.4 depending and has 300/300.

the WRX is a half second slower at 14 because its only 230/235.

the SRT-4 are about the same as a WRX. but stock vs. stock....the srt-4 does not SMOKE the WRX....it supposedly .1-.2 second quicker!...thats it.


but the WRX should KILL a 328...manual or not.....the best times i have seen for a 1999 328i was 0-60 in 6.5 and 1/4 in 14.8-14.9

I asked you first where did you get your stats that it DOES run a 14.1. I have no stats, just from what i've seen, srt-4 vs wrx. As a matter of fact, that srt-4 was in the same race as me and the wrx, and he blew past us, with a handicap start.



i am with you on this one, the 2 wrxs i have raced wherent that fast, i have a 328 with just an intake and i kept up with one of the from a roll and lost to the other one by 1 cl from a dig. and i dont think they can do 1/4 mile in 14.1
probly mid 14th with a good launch.

HOLY SHIT!!!! do all you people with slow as shit cars get together and figure out how you will BS all over the boards?????

LOL

WRXs are competitors to e36 M3s and SRT-4s and 350zs....NOT 328s!!!!!!

i owned a WRX STi with my F-1 Audi R8. 0-60 3.0 sec!

just playin with you people, just trying to lighten up the conflicts

whatever...ive had enough....

your egos are WAAY to big for your cars abilities....go to a track and learn this....you have a 4-door grocery getter....thats all.

328 kill stories...ahhh nothing makes me laugh louder

HOLY SHIT!!!! do all you people with slow as shit cars get together and figure out how you will BS all over the boards?????

LOL

WRXs are competitors to e36 M3s and SRT-4s and 350zs....NOT 328s!!!!!!


I hope your ok over there, i dont want to be the cause of your stroke. unfortunately this thread was not organized by us people who have slow as shit cars and like to bullshit.

relax and when did I say I beat it...

Nobody ever said the 328 can beat a wrx. I said with the right mods it can.

there is no way 328 with nearly stock can compete with WRS, simple as that.

and my friend's wrx with some bolt on runs about 5 second from 0-60

my friend has a 02 WRX, he has a HKS BOV and straight pipe. I have cosmos intake, M3 catback exhaust, and LSD. We started in 2nd from a 40 mph roll, we were dead even 'til 120, where we both stepped on the brakes. I'll have my M3 cams installed with software, we'll run again and i'll update with you guys.

ok...

the latest....a 96 328 that runs a stock 15.2 1/4 mile and well over 7 second 0-60 time....


I forgot how much my WRX SUCKED from a 40mph roll.


it must be the M3 catback that is helping so much...:rolleyes

not for nothing...but when the WRX came out in 2002....the closest competitor in 0-60 and 1/4 mile was the BMW 330ci with 225hp....

not the 4-door 328...ive NEVER seen the 328 listed in a performance car magazine....why? because it doesnt compete with even entry level sports cars of today.

ok...

the latest....a 96 328 that runs a stock 15.2 1/4 mile and well over 7 second 0-60 time....


I forgot how much my WRX SUCKED from a 40mph roll.


it must be the M3 catback that is helping so much...:rolleyes


you're hilarious, you should come to San Jose and run my hatch back with your M3 and your truck combined. I'll give you a head start, i promise.

This is rediculous, how in the world can you deny that a stock WRX will run 14.1? Do an internet search, it'll open your eyes.

My last track event, there were two stock WRX's running consistant 14.3@95mph, granted we are roughly 3,500ft above sea level also. I ran against one with my old car, I still have the time slip. He scored a nice 1.94 60 ft to my 2.09 60ft. He ran 14.283@94.49mph to my 14.736@95.06mph.

you're hilarious, you should come to San Jose and run my hatch back with your M3 and your truck combined. I'll give you a head start, i promise.


my M3 and truck are just the beginning....

what does you little hatchback run?

I have an 04 cobra with some goodies and a low 10 second bike for ya too!

This is rediculous, how in the world can you deny that a stock WRX will run 14.1? Do an internet search, it'll open your eyes.

My last track event, there were two stock WRX's running consistant 14.3@95mph, granted we are roughly 3,500ft above sea level also. I ran against one with my old car, I still have the time slip. He scored a nice 1.94 60 ft to my 2.09 60ft. He ran 14.283@94.49mph to my 14.736@95.06mph.


Thank you....someone else with some common sense.

Its funny how many BMW guys are soo far out of the loop....thats bad considering the WRX has been around for 4 years now.

my M3 and truck are just the beginning....

what does you little hatchback run?

I have an 04 cobra with some goodies and a low 10 second bike for ya too!

i simply posted what happend when i raced my friend's WRX. I've never stated the the WRX is not faster than a 328. Just come down to San Jose, and you'll know what my hatch can do and please do bring your bike.

ok...i'll be in san jose tomorrow......wait for me!

you're a joke.

. Just come down to San Jose, and you'll know what my hatch can do and please do bring your bike.

New York to San Jose is a little bit of a trek, Id say.
In all fairness, WRX 0-60 times and quarter mile ET's are partially based on the great AWD launch. For roll racing, we'd need to look at trap speeds, which for a WRX are usually inn the upper mid 90's, while M3s, SRT-4 and 350Z's trap closer to 100mph.
I get a good laugh from many of the 328i kills here as well, but from a highway roll, I dont think a WRX would blow out a 328i unless it had some mods (which are easy enough to do). I imagine the nod would go the the WRX, but no by a lot.

I think a part of the reason why WRX's don't trap high for their ET's is because they have to do a 3-4upshift right before they cross the finish line. Correct me if I'm wrong.

well ive read through these two pages of bickering, and im gonna give my 2 cents.

the wrx IS a 14.1 second car, and consistent when driven properly. the only factor that leads me to believe a 328is can keep up, from a roll, are the trap speeds.

328is runs high 14s at around 95.

wrx runs 14 flat at 95-96, some are higher, but this is the average ive seen.

thus, if these two cars, in complete stock form, ran from a roll, i can understand a good, even, race to the cars top ends.

once modded, the turbod wrx is no joke, and is out of the stock 328/m3 league.

well ive read through these two pages of bickering, and im gonna give my 2 cents.

the wrx IS a 14.1 second car, and consistent when driven properly. the only factor that leads me to believe a 328is can keep up, from a roll, are the trap speeds.

328is runs high 14s at around 95.

wrx runs 14 flat at 95-96, some are higher, but this is the average ive seen.

thus, if these two cars, in complete stock form, ran from a roll, i can understand a good, even, race to the cars top ends.

once modded, the turbod wrx is no joke, and is out of the stock 328/m3 league.

you are right on the money.

hwl328, I commend you for actually reading through all teh crap. I made it about halfway down the page (50 posts per page) and decided to skip to the end. ;)

First, imola, since when does owning a bunch of fast cars make you knowledgeable? I'm not saying you don't know what you're talking about, but bringing up what vehicles you own, doesn't say a damn thing. I've seen quite a few times where people have a fast ass car, and have no clue really what they have.

Also, WRX is not all that fast. Sure it can get 0-60 pretty quickly and have pretty good trap speeds, but it is ALL WHEEL DRIVE. To compare a RWD vehicles to an AWD vehicles, you look at the trap speeds. Trap speeds is a sign of power. E/T is a sign of launch capability. I would put WRX and 328 in the same class. Stock for stock, it is a good race. But since Imola wants to toss mods in there, then that kind of makes the whole conversation null, because then you get into completely different discussions. Then it is a whole conversation based on what ifs.

Hell what if during the race, the WRX is pushing 600awhp, and the 328 only has intake and exhaust, but halfway down the strip the WRX blows his right front tire, causing him to lose control, hit the railing, and the 328 has a better E/T and Trap speed than the WRX? :rolleyes

1/4 trap speed is not a good indicator of top-end performance. Your delta (how many mph you gain in the last 1/8) will show how much top-end your car has.

well...i ran my 04 WRX with just an intake at the time to a 14.18 @ 97mph at ATCO.

EVERY SINGLE magazine (i hate to bench race but there is a consistency)....qoutes the WRX to a 5.4-5.8 0-60 time and a 14.0-14.3 1/4 mile depending on where you look.

You must be confusing the WRX and STi....the WRX is not slow at all...the STi is just VERY fast for what it is....the STi runs a 13.1-13.4 depending and has 300/300.

the WRX is a half second slower at 14 because its only 230/235.

the SRT-4 are about the same as a WRX. but stock vs. stock....the srt-4 does not SMOKE the WRX....it supposedly .1-.2 second quicker!...thats it.


but the WRX should KILL a 328...manual or not.....the best times i have seen for a 1999 328i was 0-60 in 6.5 and 1/4 in 14.8-14.9


Keep researching....ran a 14.6 in my 328is stock. No weight reduction, no drag radials...and with the radio on jammin' out all the way down the track. By the way that was in Lubbock,Tx....Alt 3000ft:rolleyes

Keep researching....ran a 14.6 in my 328is stock. No weight reduction, no drag radials...and with the radio on jammin' out all the way down the track. By the way that was in Lubbock,Tx....Alt 3000ft:rolleyes

Alot of tracks use a standard correction for elevation. That's a great time, what was your trap speed?

ARE U KIDDING ME? its a wrx not an sti. 328's run 0-60 in 6.6 seconds in a 5 speed. tell me where u got the statitistics that the wrx run's 14.1. Thats funny because my friend with the wrx has a brother with an srt 4 (WHICH RUNS A 14.1) and the srt-4 smokes him.

I dont think you have any idea what your talking about, dont kid yourself.

Your brother has no idea how to launch his car, doesn't put 93 octane or you live in the Colorodo Mountains. He should be getting very close to 14.1, post up any timeslips if you got them.

The reason the wrx's 0-60 times are pretty low is b/c of the grip it can get from AWD and stock 02 wrx's should run low 14's stock and with a tbe exhaust + reflash mid 13's.

The gearing, and parastic awd power loss are what give the bimmer the advantage from a roll but from a dig the AWD subbie should prevail. The stock turbo on the wrx is the real limiting factor and I think an ace driver with good drag experience should be able to get solid 60 ft times from the rwd bimmer keeping the race close.

:cool Your brother has no idea how to launch his car, doesn't put 93 octane or you live in the Colorodo Mountains. He should be getting very close to 14.1, post up any timeslips if you got them.

The reason the wrx's 0-60 times are pretty low is b/c of the grip it can get from AWD and stock 02 wrx's should run low 14's stock and with a tbe exhaust + reflash mid 13's.

The gearing, and parastic awd power loss are what give the bimmer the advantage from a roll but from a dig the AWD subbie should prevail. The stock turbo on the wrx is the real limiting factor and I think an ace driver with good drag experience should be able to get solid 60 ft times from the rwd bimmer keeping the race close.

A Subie runs no faster than a Type-R. Car and driver did the comparison way back when this thing came out both in the 14.4-.5 range. It was supposed to de-throne the Type R...didn't do it. It is Well within striking distance of a properly driven 328is.

A little quicker in the quarter that's all. Of course I mean stock!!!!!!!! With mods anyone can beat anybody with the right setup, so everyone just chillout.

Which edition did they do a WRX Vs. Type-R? I have Car and Driver magazines dating way back to 1989, I don't recall any issue with that comparision test.

Which edition did they do a WRX Vs. Type-R? I have Car and Driver magazines dating way back to 1989, I don't recall any issue with that comparision test.


I don't remember. I just remember reading that this was supposed to be the new king of the compact imports. It was supposed to be the alternative to the Type R. I had a '99 Civic Si and then got a GSR in '01. It was around that time when I read that article if that helps.

In any rate the Subie was not that fast. DEFINATELY not a 14 flat car!!!! I think it was rated at 5.7-.9 to 60 and then it just fell off from there (AWD). I think it was a mid to high 14 sec car. Hell it only had 227hp for crying out loud. Where a stock WRX (older ones) came up with a 14 flat is ridiculous. With a 227hp awd platform....please. What does it have besides a launch?

A 330ci has 225hp and 217 torque. Almost identical numbers. AWD is not going to account for that huge descrepancy in 1/4 times. Stock that car is nothing to write home about. Again with mods different story..cool, ok cool.

How come you're only looking at one test and not looking at other test? They did have a comparision test between the 330Xi, S4, and Subie WRX. IIRC the subie did 0-60 on 5.6seconds and a 14.1 1/4 ET. The S4 did 0-60 in 5.4seconds and 14.0 ET while the 330Xi did 5.8 seconds 0-60 and a 14.5 ET (these are off the top of my head btw).

A Subie weighs about 3,000lbs. Have you ever see an AWD vehicle launch? Its not just the launch, its the fact that after the launch its right in its powerband because you can do a high-rpm launch. You do realise that the first 60ft and 100ft in any drag race has a huge effect on overall 1/4 ET right?

Open your mind and search around the internet. You'll find that 14 flat WRX, its been done years ago, and its still being done now. If you post a 14 second 1/4mile on a WRX board, you'll probably get someone yawning at you. I'm still in utter confusion as to why you're denying that a WRX can do 14.1. Its almost like me saying that I've only seen a 328is run 15.2 1/4mile in a magazine and calling your time of 14.6 B.S. because its "not in a magazine"

The reason the wrx's 0-60 times are pretty low is b/c of the grip it can get from AWD and stock 02 wrx's should run low 14's stock and with a tbe exhaust + reflash mid 13's.

The gearing, and parastic awd power loss are what give the bimmer the advantage from a roll but from a dig the AWD subbie should prevail. The stock turbo on the wrx is the real limiting factor and I think an ace driver with good drag experience should be able to get solid 60 ft times from the rwd bimmer keeping the race close.

Sounds dead on. After looking over stock WRX times on http://www.dragtimes.com you'll see everything from low 14's to low 15's.. So when it comes to a vehicle like this you really have to look at the driver as well.
I've driven a few stock WRX's/9s-X's and you really need to launch hard and keep it above 5000 rpms to really move. So I don't see a WRX just destroying a stock 328 that is driven well. Modded on the other hand is a different story all together.

-Les

Also, since you used an SRT-4 as a comparision from a "street race" you must also realise that a street race is NOT valid as to how fast car A is compared to car B. Just because car A ran 14.1 seconds and won against car B does not mean that car B is slower. There are many factors that come into play, specifically reaction time. A 14.1 second car can get beat by a 14.3 second car on the street or even in a drag race down the 1/4mile.

Lets say car A ran 14.1 seconds with a .500 reaction

Car B ran 14.3 seconds with a .100 reaction.

Theoretically, car B will be 2 car lengths ahead at the finish line, despite having a slower overall time. FYI...

Lets say car A ran 14.1 seconds with a .500 reaction

Car B ran 14.3 seconds with a .100 reaction.

Theoretically, car B will be 2 car lengths ahead at the finish line, despite having a slower overall time. FYI...


Car B redlighted (unless we are running our street cars on a pro tree) :stickoutt

Car B redlighted (unless we are running our street cars on a pro tree) :stickoutt

I think most tracks have adopted the NHRA new rules :D A perfect reaction now is .000

I'm gonna have to get used that then, I haven't been in almost a year.

An '02 WRX 0-60 is like 5.5-5.7 (slightly slower than an e36 M3) and 1/4 of about 14.4. An '06 could run a little quicker like 14.0. That's just talking stock though. A WRX gets huge gains out of very little because of the turbo. My roomate has an '02 WRX, just put on engine management and bumps it up 30 hp at the crank. Get an up-pipe, downpipe, and mid-pipe, reprogram the engine management and you get to about 285 crank hp. Also, BOV are hurting the WRX with anything less than a huge turbo. The stock recirculating BOV is the best thing for that engine. Just look on nasioc.com and you'll find all the WRX enthusiasts there.

Is that what causes the hesitant feeling when you shift quickly at redline? The first time I drove a 92-X hard it felt similar to when you have ASC turned on in an M3 and try to make the 1-2 to shift quickly.

fyI. In 1998, Car & Driver magazine reported the 328is (0-60) at 6.2 seconds

An '02 WRX 0-60 is like 5.5-5.7 (slightly slower than an e36 M3) and 1/4 of about 14.4. An '06 could run a little quicker like 14.0. That's just talking stock though. A WRX gets huge gains out of very little because of the turbo. My roomate has an '02 WRX, just put on engine management and bumps it up 30 hp at the crank. Get an up-pipe, downpipe, and mid-pipe, reprogram the engine management and you get to about 285 crank hp. Also, BOV are hurting the WRX with anything less than a huge turbo. The stock recirculating BOV is the best thing for that engine. Just look on nasioc.com and you'll find all the WRX enthusiasts there.

Stock 06 wrx ran a 13.8 recently so it has the potential. That was with an average 0-60 ft time of 1.9 seconds, however if he got down into the 1.7 or 1.6 range, which is very possible b/c of AWD, his timeslip would look a lot more impressive (http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=925630)

N/A ITR's are the suck b/c FWD is the suck and once you go FI things will start to snap right off once you make good power (500+ whp). N/A honda's can dip well into the 12s and lower with the right mod list and a good driver so be weary. ITR's are great platforms for real track junkies (I mean the track with turns).

fyI. In 1998, Car & Driver magazine reported the 328is (0-60) at 6.2 seconds

Not as near as important as trap speed b/c that number is what gives a cars true potential.

:cool

A Subie runs no faster than a Type-R. Car and driver did the comparison way back when this thing came out both in the 14.4-.5 range. It was supposed to de-throne the Type R...didn't do it. It is Well within striking distance of a properly driven 328is.

A little quicker in the quarter that's all. Of course I mean stock!!!!!!!! With mods anyone can beat anybody with the right setup, so everyone just chillout.

I had one (wrx) make the mistake of lining up with me at 40 mph _ 2nd gear sweet spot. I pulled 2+ cl's by mid 3rd at which point I shut it down, he then did the expected ricer fly by :lol
STI is a different story

How come you're only looking at one test and not looking at other test? They did have a comparision test between the 330Xi, S4, and Subie WRX. IIRC the subie did 0-60 on 5.6seconds and a 14.1 1/4 ET. The S4 did 0-60 in 5.4seconds and 14.0 ET while the 330Xi did 5.8 seconds 0-60 and a 14.5 ET (these are off the top of my head btw).

A Subie weighs about 3,000lbs. Have you ever see an AWD vehicle launch? Its not just the launch, its the fact that after the launch its right in its powerband because you can do a high-rpm launch. You do realise that the first 60ft and 100ft in any drag race has a huge effect on overall 1/4 ET right?

Open your mind and search around the internet. You'll find that 14 flat WRX, its been done years ago, and its still being done now. If you post a 14 second 1/4mile on a WRX board, you'll probably get someone yawning at you. I'm still in utter confusion as to why you're denying that a WRX can do 14.1. Its almost like me saying that I've only seen a 328is run 15.2 1/4mile in a magazine and calling your time of 14.6 B.S. because its "not in a magazine"

I have raced a few WRX's in my racing days (over for now), and according to those times I should get beat by at least 4-5 cars. That never happened. I am talking about the old Subies 227hp. That thing just dies after the launch. I have seen too many Subies take 1st and 2nd gear and then after that it is hanging on by a thread.

Every mag I have read puts it at 14.6 or higher. Now I will give you real world times and say maybe 14.4 at best. Of course all this is stock. There isn't a car I know of that only has 227hp and damn near pulling 13's...

I'll keep an open mind though....I guess

So something with 37 more horsepower and weighs the same as an E36 328is and has superior traction won't run quicker times than an E36 328is?

Since you are familiar with the race track, you should know that alot of slower cars can make up the difference with reaction times.

Im still in utter confusion as to why you're denying that a stock WRX can run low 14's? I mean, go to any WRX board and look through time slips, there are plenty and that's proof enough. Is it because you've never seen one yourself?

So something with 37 more horsepower and weighs the same as an E36 328is and has superior traction won't run quicker times than an E36 328is?

Since you are familiar with the race track, you should know that alot of slower cars can make up the difference with reaction times.
We were saying that from a roll, the 328 could hang with/beat the wrx. I cna't remember all the retardedness that went into this stupid ass thread.

But I know i was saying that even though it gets lower E/T's the trap speeds are right about the same, so therefore, FROM A ROLL the 328 has a damn good shot, especially since it is only RWD.

Maybe it was just my car, but it dynoed at right about 200hp (crank). That is a little off from what they state they come with from the factory (193)

So with that being said, the Subie has a 227hp difference but putting it dwon to 4whls. He would definately have the launch but it will bite him in the a$$ at the end of the track.

Is the 328is underrated. Probably. It was a lot stronger than suggested. BMW does hold the torque quite nicely throughout the powerband. It is a drivers race at best stock for stock. However 1 or 2 mods on a Subie makes a hell of a more difference than 1 or 2 on a Bimmer.

We were saying that from a roll, the 328 could hang with/beat the wrx. I cna't remember all the retardedness that went into this stupid ass thread.

But I know i was saying that even though it gets lower E/T's the trap speeds are right about the same, so therefore, FROM A ROLL the 328 has a damn good shot, especially since it is only RWD.


I wasn't arguing that a 328 can't hang from a roll, I was just finding out why its so hard to believe a WRX can run 14.1 :confused

I wasn't arguing that a 328 can't hang from a roll, I was just finding out why its so hard to believe a WRX can run 14.1 :confused

Whatever makes 3 series owners go to sleep at night :D

328s are the fastest cars in the world! lol...

328s are the fastest cars in the world! lol...

Noone said that...but ok. I better get an '02 WRX so I can run 13.8's stock. Too bad no mag or even Subie for that matter claims 14 flat.:rolleyes

The unusual horizontally opposed cylinder configuration makes for a unique sound, a little bit Porsche 911, a little bit VW Beetle (both cars employ boxer engines of their own). Rev it up, drop the clutch and the Impreza responds with a bit of a whimper, as noticeable turbo lag prevents the blown motor from unleashing the 200-plus ponies from under its aluminum hood. Only after the tachometer has swung past 3,500 rpm does all 14.2 lbs. of boost chime in to propel the four-door from zero to 60 in 6.3 seconds on its way to a 14.9 second quarter-mile time at 90 mph.

-Edmunds

At least the car's performance held up over its stay. When we performed final testing at 40,000 miles, the 60-mph sprint equaled the car's time when it was new (5.9 seconds). All other acceleration numbers were within a 10th or two of a second. Top speed fell 6 mph to 139, and the worn Bridgestone tires could only manage 0.79 g on the skidpad, a 0.02 drop from the maiden test.

-car and driver

2002 SUBARU IMPREZA WRX

Vehicle type: front-engine, 4-wheel-drive, 5-passenger, 4-door sedan
Price as tested: $24,520 (base price: $24,520)
Engine type: turbocharged and intercooled DOHC 16-valve flat-4, aluminum block and heads, Subaru engine-control system with port fuel injection
Displacement 122 cu in, 1994cc
Power (SAE net) 227 bhp @ 6000 rpm
Torque (SAE net) 217 lb-ft @ 4000 rpm
Transmission 5-speed manual
Wheelbase 99.4 in
Length 173.4 in
Curb weight 3150 lb
Performance: new 40,000
Zero to 60 mph 5.9 sec 5.9 sec
Zero to 100 mph 17.5 sec 17.3 sec
Street start, 5-60 mph 7.4 sec 7.5 sec
Standing 1/4-mile 14.6 sec @ 93 mph 14.5 sec @ 93 mph
Braking, 70-0 mph 188 ft 194 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad 0.81 g 0.79 g
Top speed (drag limited) 145 mph 139 mph
EPA fuel economy, city driving 20 mpg
C/D-observed fuel economy 23 mpg
Unscheduled oil additions 0 qt
Service and repair stops:
Scheduled 6

-car and driver

nice car


0 - 60 (sec): 6.5
1/4 Mile (sec @ mph): 15.0 @ 92.2
60 - 0 (ft): 121
Slalom (mph): 63.0

-edmunds

that is for a 328ci which is not as quick as the e36 328is same engine heavier car...

Ok you're still overlooking time slips from the WRX boards. Also, you're overlooking times from other articles which show quicker times than the example you provided. How come we're going in circles? Its almost like you don't want to accept it.

Ok you're still overlooking time slips from the WRX boards. Also, you're overlooking times from other articles which show quicker times than the example you provided. How come we're going in circles? Its almost like you don't want to accept it.

Lets agree to disagree. I have only seen them in mid 14's stock...you've seen better. I agree to disagree no big deal to me.

The question is can we all agree that from a roll of about 40mph the 328 vs WRX is a very good race?

i accept the fact that it has better 1/4 times then a 328 stock for stock, but drivers do make a difference in a race like that.

and i still think the WRX and the 328 is in the same league.

no. modded WRX vs 328, no way.

In what car does 1st gear go up to 40mph? in a 328 its about 30mph id say

no. modded WRX vs 328, no way.

He means a 40 roll

Alot of tracks use a standard correction for elevation. That's a great time, what was your trap speed?

Sorry buddy didn't see that...97.3 mph

I have raced a few wrx's and I agree that they can do low 14 second 1/4, I have only beaten one. I was driving my dads 1969 mustang mach 1 with a 428 big block and I owned him we only went to about 80mph though. Keep in mind the mach 1 is making 507 hp at the wheels. I am looking to get a wrx and I love there performance a stock 328 is no match.

ok, you guys suck.. my mini van pwns all you guys.
'04 Honda Odessey!! hell yeah.. i fucking race that thing every day, and that V-Tec, man im telling you thats some good shit.
jk (i do race my van though)

I have raced a few wrx's and I agree that they can do low 14 second 1/4, I have only beaten one. I was driving my dads 1969 mustang mach 1 with a 428 big block and I owned him we only went to about 80mph though. Keep in mind the mach 1 is making 507 hp at the wheels. I am looking to get a wrx and I love there performance a stock 328 is no match.

yeah ok

This guy needs to be banned. Where the hell are you getting your info a 328i is slightly lighter than the 3,100 lbs WRX and the WHP is very close to being the same since the WRX has massive drivetrain loss due to AWD... And your crap about a 328i not being able to kill a WRX is complete BS. My car can take even the new 2.5 liter WRX's and I have killed older WRX's. Of course the WRX is a better tuner car but 328i can get pretty fast as well even just with NA bolt ons...

does your friend have an auto or 5-speed WRX???

your race with him sounds too close for a near stock 328...all you have is a stromung exhaust...mostly noise.

i agree you should catchup to him eventually and pass him around 120-130...but then even you will be running out of steam with just a 328.....if it was a 330ci...thats a different story.

but something seems wrong if you think that even from a dig on dry pavement he will "barely" beat you....a 230hp WRX with AWD should rape your heavier,less hp,rwd 328...especially at anything under 100mph.

Again, the magic 328....

Again, the magic 328....

:lol

ok, you guys suck.. my mini van pwns all you guys.
'04 Honda Odessey!! hell yeah.. i fucking race that thing every day, and that V-Tec, man im telling you thats some good shit.
jk (i do race my van though)


My money would go to the Van if you were racing my car :help

Did you read the part of my sig that says 224whp, I guess not... That comes out to a clocked 0-60 of 5.3 and a quarter in 14 flat, which means that unless your car is modded I'd walk on you.
Again, the magic 328....

Anyway, just to add my two cents here, I have raced a moded [actually all I could see was a really big exhaust] WRX...both from a roll and a dig.

Outcome...roll...stayed the same until hit 4th gear, then I really started to leave him...from a dig, he got a little over a car on me at the start...brought him in about 1/2 cl by the top of third and finished the race and we ended right there...one win to him and one to me :)

Did you read the part of my sig that says 224whp, I guess not... That comes out to a clocked 0-60 of 5.3 and a quarter in 14 flat, which means that unless your car is modded I'd walk on you.

But it is modded so, you won't :moon

ps. Just out of curiosity, how much torque are you putting down to go with that?

lets put this to rest. any local va 328's want to race a ecu/exhaust wrx?

lets put this to rest. any local va 328's want to race a ecu/exhaust wrx?

I'll race you for pinks. :eek:

I'll race you for pinks. :eek:
mcoupe is no challenge.

hahaha u guys are funny and still arguin..esp that magic 328i that Jordanst2 said...but seriously theres no more need for arguing. All of you have said your points and its juss repeating on and on. Theres no more need for repetition, some maybe be right, some maybe wrong but just get over it. Theres no need to cause more drama and tension within the best forum ever haha. Both cars are good and we are all car enthusiats here, if someone wins congratulations, if they lose it should be more motivation to mod it and drive better.

:buttrock WERD

you guys need to lay off of the 328's. When did this place become a 328 bash party. M3mobbin is putting 224 horses to the wheels. That tops lightly modded e36 m3's. All those who want to still bash on the 328, post your dyno slips!!!!!!!!!! OR SHUT THE F...K UP!

I am not there yet, so I'll be the first one to shut my mouth. However, I guarantee that the m3 guys that top 224 whp (I know its not hard for you guys) are the ones NOT TALKING CRAP to begin with.

It's cool to disagree, raise the BS flag, or talk crap for fun. But you dont have to be putting your fellow forum members down maliciously. There's no point.

The unusual horizontally opposed cylinder configuration makes for a unique sound, a little bit Porsche 911, a little bit VW Beetle (both cars employ boxer engines of their own). Rev it up, drop the clutch and the Impreza responds with a bit of a whimper, as noticeable turbo lag prevents the blown motor from unleashing the 200-plus ponies from under its aluminum hood. Only after the tachometer has swung past 3,500 rpm does all 14.2 lbs. of boost chime in to propel the four-door from zero to 60 in 6.3 seconds on its way to a 14.9 second quarter-mile time at 90 mph.

-Edmunds

At least the car's performance held up over its stay. When we performed final testing at 40,000 miles, the 60-mph sprint equaled the car's time when it was new (5.9 seconds). All other acceleration numbers were within a 10th or two of a second. Top speed fell 6 mph to 139, and the worn Bridgestone tires could only manage 0.79 g on the skidpad, a 0.02 drop from the maiden test.

-car and driver

2002 SUBARU IMPREZA WRX

Vehicle type: front-engine, 4-wheel-drive, 5-passenger, 4-door sedan
Price as tested: $24,520 (base price: $24,520)
Engine type: turbocharged and intercooled DOHC 16-valve flat-4, aluminum block and heads, Subaru engine-control system with port fuel injection
Displacement 122 cu in, 1994cc
Power (SAE net) 227 bhp @ 6000 rpm
Torque (SAE net) 217 lb-ft @ 4000 rpm
Transmission 5-speed manual
Wheelbase 99.4 in
Length 173.4 in
Curb weight 3150 lb
Performance: new 40,000
Zero to 60 mph 5.9 sec 5.9 sec
Zero to 100 mph 17.5 sec 17.3 sec
Street start, 5-60 mph 7.4 sec 7.5 sec
Standing 1/4-mile 14.6 sec @ 93 mph 14.5 sec @ 93 mph
Braking, 70-0 mph 188 ft 194 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad 0.81 g 0.79 g
Top speed (drag limited) 145 mph 139 mph
EPA fuel economy, city driving 20 mpg
C/D-observed fuel economy 23 mpg
Unscheduled oil additions 0 qt
Service and repair stops:
Scheduled 6

-car and driver

nice car


0 - 60 (sec): 6.5
1/4 Mile (sec @ mph): 15.0 @ 92.2
60 - 0 (ft): 121
Slalom (mph): 63.0

-edmunds

that is for a 328ci which is not as quick as the e36 328is same engine heavier car...
Edmund's has the slowest test driver ever. They are consistently slower than any other car tester. Do they even have a professional driver or just find whatever granny they see walking down the street and strap her in?

Did you read the part of my sig that says 224whp, I guess not... That comes out to a clocked 0-60 of 5.3 and a quarter in 14 flat, which means that unless your car is modded I'd walk on you.
You have the flatest torque curve I have ever seen... simply awesome.

you guys need to lay off of the 328's. When did this place become a 328 bash party. M3mobbin is putting 224 horses to the wheels. That tops lightly modded e36 m3's. All those who want to still bash on the 328, post your dyno slips!!!!!!!!!! OR SHUT THE F...K UP!

I am not there yet, so I'll be the first one to shut my mouth. However, I guarantee that the m3 guys that top 224 whp (I know its not hard for you guys) are the ones NOT TALKING CRAP to begin with.

It's cool to disagree, raise the BS flag, or talk crap for fun. But you dont have to be putting your fellow forum members down maliciously. There's no point.
It's not bashing 328's. They are respectable in their own right... 224 whp is great. However... I'd bet that even m3mobbin's 328 couldn't even touch a Cobb Stage 1 WRX from a dig. Get a Stage 2 with some decent tuning it'll be pushing 300 crank hp... that would put away any N/A from the E36 world.

It's not bashing 328's. They are respectable in their own right... 224 whp is great. However... I'd bet that even m3mobbin's 328 couldn't even touch a Cobb Stage 1 WRX from a dig. Get a Stage 2 with some decent tuning it'll be pushing 300 crank hp... that would put away any N/A from the E36 world.


make it a game of what if's and anything can happen. what about an AA turbo e36 stage 1 or stage 2. What about if the WRX had rocket boosters. What if the BWM had a 200 shot of nitrous. What about a....the list goes on and on.

The fact of the matter is a STOCK WRX is not going to demolish a STOCK 328is. All this if sh** is irrelevant. I have race TOOO many to know better.

Edmund's has the slowest test driver ever. They are consistently slower than any other car tester. Do they even have a professional driver or just find whatever granny they see walking down the street and strap her in?


Try the car and driver times if that makes you feel better. Do you drive a bimmer? Why are you so hell bent in taking up for the poor little WRX?

Try the car and driver times if that makes you feel better. Do you drive a bimmer? Why are you so hell bent in taking up for the poor little WRX?
I'm not trying to suck anyone's d... I'm just pointing out simple facts. My roomate has a stage I '02 wrx that would probably beat most 328s. I'm not hating 328s... I wish I had one (or an M for that matter)... it's just a matter of fact.

I'm not trying to suck anyone's d... I'm just pointing out simple facts. My roomate has a stage I '02 wrx that would probably beat most 328s. I'm not hating 328s... I wish I had one (or an M for that matter)... it's just a matter of fact.

You are talking about a stage 1 WRX which is a tuned car. I was stating that a STOCK WRX and a STOCK 328is (2dr 5spd) are about the same. On a freeway the nod would probably go to the bimmer. Of course a stage 1 will outrun a stock e36 328is. But we weren't talking stage 1 or stage 2 cars.

You are talking about a stage 1 WRX which is a tuned car. I was stating that a STOCK WRX and a STOCK 328is (2dr 5spd) are about the same. On a freeway the nod would probably go to the bimmer. Of course a stage 1 will outrun a stock e36 328is. But we weren't talking stage 1 or stage 2 cars.
I suppose... but who has proof? It'd be a good race to find out.

You are talking about a stage 1 WRX which is a tuned car. I was stating that a STOCK WRX and a STOCK 328is (2dr 5spd) are about the same. On a freeway the nod would probably go to the bimmer. Of course a stage 1 will outrun a stock e36 328is. But we weren't talking stage 1 or stage 2 cars.

Unless the 328 owner can launch his car pretty well than a stock wrx will beat him from a dig.

man...5 pages of people saying the same things :shifty

fact is, wrx obviously gets teh 328is outta the hole, 328is plays catch up and eventually does around 100 where rex suffers from short gearing and boost drop off.

Well if you look in magazines or on websites and find the 1/4 mile times, these times are done with professional drivers. An average joe schmo cudnt run those times. Also, these hp numbers are crank measurements, not wheel. Im not doubting a WRX beating a 328, but lets be realistic here.....

I'm not trying to suck anyone's d... I'm just pointing out simple facts. My roomate has a stage I '02 wrx that would probably beat most 328s. I'm not hating 328s... I wish I had one (or an M for that matter)... it's just a matter of fact.


we are comparing STOCK VS STOCK, not moded stage I WRX. If you put it that way, i want to see your roomate Stage I WRX race Cardcounter's 328. :buttrock

we are comparing STOCK VS STOCK, not moded stage I WRX. If you put it that way, i want to see your roomate Stage I WRX race Cardcounter's 328. :buttrock
Right I got that... I was trying to say that his stage I could probably even take most modded 328's (aside from those rare few putting down awesome numbers). However, those heavily modded 328's probably have put a lot more $ than what it takes to get stage I. I would like to see one of those 328's (or probably an M3) against a stage II....

how much does a stage II WRX makes anyways? I'd doubt that it would make more power than CC's 328, that would a a good race Stage II WRX vs CC's 328 :devillook

*sigh* can this crap be locked now? This is the third pass at the exact same ponits. Talk about repetitive drivel. Also there has been a ton of cussing, by members who have 9 posts, and like to toss in replies about totally idiotic crap that further throws this thread off track, which is hard to do in this case.

Also, please, stop with the what ifs. That crap gets old. You can get your What if Stage 2 WRX and i'll get my What if LS1 Swapped e36 m3, and see who wins. :rolleyes

I didnt know so many 328 owners think their cars are fast, lol. It doesnt even have 200bhp.

Though I have never raced a WRX from a dig, I don't think I could kill it with my stock E30 M3. I have raced 328s (E36 and E46 w/5speeds) with good results. If I can kill the almighty 328, are you guys saying I could take a stock WRX? I doubt it.

Guys I have had both my car now and a very very highly modified wrx. I have raced and raced against quite a few rex's in the past few years. A WRX would be a huge handful for a 328 in any straight line venue. I don't even see a STOCK FOR STOCK race of a 5spd 328 and a stock 02-05 MUCH LESS an 06 being anything but a win for the WRX if the guy can drive. They are actually very hard cars to get out of the hole. Its not a rev and dump kind of thing like most think. I mean hell if you wanna buy rear diffs and trannies from wheelhop and shock loading then sure you can bounce off the limiter and sidestep the clutch. But, thats not the best way to make the best 60ft anyways. So, both drivers knowing and being able to drive their cars to same level.... WRX gets the win for sure over a 328.

You can get your What if Stage 2 WRX and i'll get my What if LS1 Swapped e36 m3, and see who wins. :rolleyes


That I would like to see.....while your at it slap twin turbo's on that LS1 and really make it interesting. Worlds fastest M3.

*sigh* can this crap be locked now? This is the third pass at the exact same ponits. Talk about repetitive drivel. Also there has been a ton of cussing, by members who have 9 posts, and like to toss in replies about totally idiotic crap that further throws this thread off track, which is hard to do in this case.

Also, please, stop with the what ifs. That crap gets old. You can get your What if Stage 2 WRX and i'll get my What if LS1 Swapped e36 m3, and see who wins. :rolleyes


seriously, someone just lock this already

I had fun reading it over and over.. and now I'll boost my post count ;)

{edit} PAGE 5 YEAGH! hahaha

As I understand it the wrixxers have axle shaft issues or something so no such thing as dump-and-go. If you can force some fool to do a clutch drop at even 4k in a wrx then you win. If his car holds together then that just means it'll likely fall apart tomorrow... they're not like the GMC Typhoon 3G launch-o-rama AWDs. The final stage of modififications I hear is to disconnect the front wheels from the driveline. huh.

Face one on the roadcourse and you're in deep doo-doo. Try it in the rain and you feel like puttin your car up for sale haha.. that looks like TOO much fun (no, I'll never do it.. my eventual target is a lotus elise)

AAAnyway, the wrx is pretty lethal especially from a roll with minor tweaking and theres no real way to tell from the outside. The braking is pretty darn good too. Good thing I know how to USE mine. ;)

Street racing is stupid BTW. A little zero-to-sixty with no one around is one thing but sheeit..there are other people to consider try to remember that huh?

I didnt know so many 328 owners think their cars are fast, lol. It doesnt even have 200bhp.


HAHAHA..at least someone said it...

thats right...all this arguing and kill posting for a car with less than 200hp!!! lol

I vote for the KILLS section to be including ONLY cars with some balls...lets say over 300hp.

Im SOOO bored of seeing 328 vs. Honda prelude and e30 vs. whatever threads...i remember seeing a thread with a race against a sentra....cmon....it takes you people like a minute to hit 100!

328's are BMW's and this is a BMW forum.
therefore any BMW can post a kill story whether you like it or not, your not callin the shots on bimmerforums, as much as you think you are.

WHOA....sorry...thanks for letting me know who is boss!!!


hahahahahaaha.....i didnt mean your 328 is slow dude...i bet your euro plates added about 50hp!

enough already :)

You knock on 328's you knock on my euro plates. Your making entertainment for yourself outa this, you must hate life. The euro plates on my car represent heritage if you dont like it idc. it means something to me thats all that counts, and its something i've been wanting to do since i was a little kid.

why dont you stop making degrading remarks about peoples cars and hang out on the mustang forum where you fit in.

what the hell is everyone's problem? Especially the pricks driving m3's (ONLY THE PRICKS bashing us little guys). You dont give the built guys crap, but any of the 328 guys without 220whp-230whp in their sig, gotta hear your crap like

"you know 328s are slow right".

Yeah, very good dick. You do know that we share the same m52 transplant right?.. yours is just tuned by BMW motorsport.

And you do know that it is a valid argument that the e36 m3 is not a real m3, the e30 and e46 guys can back me up on this. (The evidence is the aforementioned m52 bored stroked and tuned equaling your s52).

And you do know that the new rsx type s is a faster car 1/4 mile (built vs built na, go ahead and read their time slips on their forums)

And you do know you are a prick. So before you look down on us from your pedistol, make sure you take your dad off your lap so you can see me giving you the finger.

Us e36 guys that arent m3's are not talking crap when we build our motors and get faster than you? So why must you consistently put us down? Busting our balls is fine, but dont hate... fag. All you are really doing is saying "hey, lets pick on them while they are slow, while we still can without looking dumb". There is no love in this forum.

Moderators, please park this thread and rename to the following: the crap you will take if you dont drive an m3 and the forum members that hate us

Kills Forum ftw.
Gotta love it!

I feel hate coming on 328i owners. Didn't read all 5 pages but read most of it. Anyways to throw in my 2 cents I've raced a four wrx's all with fartcan exhaust one had a bov and they've all been close races all from a roll. One was with an svt focus which happend to be faster than the wrx but I still pulled on both of them. The only wrx that was faster than me was racing an evo at the same time, so I'm guessing that he also had the mods as well as the balls to play with an evo. By the way my car is a 4dr 5spd completely stock.

what the hell is everyone's problem? Especially the pricks driving m3's (ONLY THE PRICKS bashing us little guys). You dont give the built guys crap, but any of the 328 guys without 220whp-230whp in their sig, gotta hear your crap like

"you know 328s are slow right".

Yeah, very good dick. You do know that we share the same m52 transplant right?.. yours is just tuned by BMW motorsport.

And you do know that it is a valid argument that the e36 m3 is not a real m3, the e30 and e46 guys can back me up on this. (The evidence is the aforementioned m52 bored stroked and tuned equaling your s52).

And you do know that the new rsx type s is a faster car 1/4 mile (built vs built na, go ahead and read their time slips on their forums)

And you do know you are a prick. So before you look down on us from your pedistol, make sure you take your dad off your lap so you can see me giving you the finger.

Us e36 guys that arent m3's are not talking crap when we build our motors and get faster than you? So why must you consistently put us down? Busting our balls is fine, but dont hate... fag. All you are really doing is saying "hey, lets pick on them while they are slow, while we still can without looking dumb". There is no love in this forum.

Moderators, please park this thread and rename to the following: the crap you will take if you dont drive an m3 and the forum members that hate us
very well put. ive always hated that too...but afraid of saying the wrong thing. i applaud you.

what the hell is everyone's problem? Especially the pricks driving m3's (ONLY THE PRICKS bashing us little guys). You dont give the built guys crap, but any of the 328 guys without 220whp-230whp in their sig, gotta hear your crap like

"you know 328s are slow right".

Yeah, very good dick. You do know that we share the same m52 transplant right?.. yours is just tuned by BMW motorsport.

And you do know that it is a valid argument that the e36 m3 is not a real m3, the e30 and e46 guys can back me up on this. (The evidence is the aforementioned m52 bored stroked and tuned equaling your s52).

And you do know that the new rsx type s is a faster car 1/4 mile (built vs built na, go ahead and read their time slips on their forums)

And you do know you are a prick. So before you look down on us from your pedistol, make sure you take your dad off your lap so you can see me giving you the finger.

Us e36 guys that arent m3's are not talking crap when we build our motors and get faster than you? So why must you consistently put us down? Busting our balls is fine, but dont hate... fag. All you are really doing is saying "hey, lets pick on them while they are slow, while we still can without looking dumb". There is no love in this forum.

Moderators, please park this thread and rename to the following: the crap you will take if you dont drive an m3 and the forum members that hate us

Earth to mikos- your car is not your penis. No on is talking about how inadequate it (your car) is, so please calm down. Why are you getting so upset? I mean really, if you like your 328IS! and it appears that you do then who cares what thse mean m3 owers say. You have a 328IS! 2.8 Liters of Bavarian FURY! If the engine was bored, stroked and retuned it would practically be an m3. I think you should take solace in that. No one is claiming that the 328IS! isnt' fast. There are just different interpreations of what "fast" is, you have yours and they their own. Don't take any crap! Fight for the cause! and please put your finger away, after all, we're here for the love of bmw's alone

I see so many nonsense stories about 328kills it's rediculous. WRX beats 328 any day, any time, anywhere, any condition,.... 328s cant even keep up with integra typeRs(please dont argue on this as i've seen it many times) therefore, wont come near WRX.

It's funny how there are hardly any M3kill WRX stories but so many 328kill mustang, WRX, EVO, Ferrari, etc fairytails. lol

I see so many nonsense stories about 328kills it's rediculous. WRX beats 328 any day, any time, anywhere, any condition,.... 328s cant even keep up with integra typeRs(please dont argue on this as i've seen it many times) therefore, wont come near WRX.

It's funny how there are hardly any M3kill WRX stories but so many 328kill mustang, WRX, EVO, Ferrari, etc fairytails. lol

ive seen just as many, if not more, nonsense kills with e36 m3s.

people seem to argue endlessly when it involves the 328, yet nobody seems to question ridiculous kills that involve the e36 m3.

I see so many nonsense stories about 328kills it's rediculous. WRX beats 328 any day, any time, anywhere, any condition,.... 328s cant even keep up with integra typeRs(please dont argue on this as i've seen it many times) therefore, wont come near WRX.

It's funny how there are hardly any M3kill WRX stories but so many 328kill mustang, WRX, EVO, Ferrari, etc fairytails. lol

You're funny. A fast stock WRX on the freeway. HAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!

Ate up a few of those (stock) WRX's on the freeway. Can you say dead aft 90mph. So that nullifies anytime and anywhere.

As for Type R's...quick little boogers. Not all that. And I don't think my 328is was fast. Just quicker than some. By the way, did anyone say that 328's were fast? Go read some of my fairytale post.

Stock Wrx is sh***

Sti is a whole new world.

I see so many nonsense stories about 328kills it's rediculous. WRX beats 328 any day, any time, anywhere, any condition,.... 328s cant even keep up with integra typeRs(please dont argue on this as i've seen it many times) therefore, wont come near WRX.

you have no idea what you're talking about. The tiny little stock turbo on a WRX runs out of breath right around 80-90mph. I've raced my friend's 'O2 WRX with a HKS BOV and straight pipe, from 40mph to 120 , we were DEAD EVEN.

NNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!

I cant take it anymore. Somebody please!!!! lock it. I cant be arsed to prove facts, my hand will start hurting from all the typing.

NNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!

I cant take it anymore. Somebody please!!!! lock it. I cant be arsed to prove facts, my hand will start hurting from all the typing.

Neither can I. Everything I stated happened. I don't really care what you think is "supposed" to happen.

wow my thread is still going

im sooo popular!!

wow my thread is still going

im sooo popular!!


hahaha, becuz u drive the almighty 328 haha jk...but seriously this needs to be locked. Samething over and over

Lock It Up

I set up a nice race... My buddy's lightly modded 06 WRX (just had it dyno'd a few days back) vs. me. Should happen next week...

M3Mobbin thats one of the hottest 328's i've ever seen.... my new wallpaper.

Ate up a few of those (stock) WRX's on the freeway. Can you say dead aft 90mph. So that nullifies anytime and anywhere.
True

WRX 14.2-14.4 1/4 mile with good driver/launch

P.S. everyone knows a deuschbag, and whenever you see or hear that person you say god that, the persons name, is such a deuschbag.

thats what I say whenever 02ImolaM3 posts

My truck is faster than ur car, my crotch rocket is reeely fast tooo. superman more like supergay.

True

WRX 14.2-14.4 1/4 mile with good driver/launch

P.S. everyone knows a deuschbag, and whenever you see or hear that person you say god that, the persons name, is such a deuschbag.

thats what I say whenever 02ImolaM3 posts

My truck is faster than ur car, my crotch rocket is reeely fast tooo. superman more like supergay.

i totally agreed with you on 02ImolaM3 part.

I've haven't ready this whole thread, but a heads up about WRX mods.

A BOV and intake on an untuned wrx actually can loose power. For all the people who raced wrx's with only intake and BOV the chances are the owners don't know shit about their cars and probably can't drive very well.

Still good kill man.

Low end WRX, high end 32*.

What u on about man, You accelerated first and u still lost. u got destroyed! That wasnt a good race. How often do u race? if both accelerated at the same time he would have made about twice that distance.

why race a WRX anyway in a 328? Do you take on Ferraris and Lambos aswell. Here comes the new ricer generation aka. 328 lol

You need to STFU... I'm getting sick of your newb BS. Just because your 328 with loud noise mods is a pig doesn't mean that they all are.
why race a WRX anyway in a 328? Do you take on Ferraris and Lambos aswell. Here comes the new ricer generation aka. 328 lol

why race a WRX anyway in a 328? Do you take on Ferraris and Lambos aswell. Here comes the new ricer generation aka. 328 lol
and you have room to talk with your whole 15 posts...NOOB!!!

i really hate it when people just join the forum and think they know everything on here...and i just rewatched it...that was actually the 1st gear roll race. and we both jumped on the his 3rd honk..i dont know where u got me jumping first. its video...its proof.

Proof that u got destroyed! and a 1st gear roll race just shows how much u know about racing/cars.

The amount of posts doesnt mean anything. WeissCoupeE36 (weiss du ueberhaut was WEISS bedeutet?). I get my info elsewhere, NOOB doesnt mean not knowing anything.

M3mobbin', like the pic of ur car man. Where was it taken? Brokeback Mountain area?

Proof that u got destroyed! and a 1st gear roll race just shows how much u know about racing/cars.

The amount of posts doesnt mean anything. WeissCoupeE36 (weiss du ueberhaut was WEISS bedeutet?). I get my info elsewhere, NOOB doesnt mean not knowing anything.

M3mobbin', like the pic of ur car man. Where was it taken? Brokeback Mountain area?
i never denyed that i got destroyed. and i also said that my clutch gave in the next week. and who cares if in your eyes i dont know much about street racing...im not much of one anywayz. i keep my stuff on the track. i autocross....it takes more than just full throttle and shifting the gears.

the whole point of the video was to give a lil insight on how 328's are against slightly modded wrx's. why u are trolling around in here buggin me about posting a video of me losing is stupid. im not wasting my time in here anymore. there are more important things than endlessly arguing with someone over something irrelevant.

You take ur 328 on tracks????? loooooooooooooooool.......

I hardly consider a parking lot full of bollards a track. Get some balls and go to Willow.

this is exciting!

why did you delete your post?

I would like to know the same??

the SRT-4 are about the same as a WRX. but stock vs. stock....the srt-4 does not SMOKE the WRX....it supposedly .1-.2 second quicker!...thats it.

you're magazine racing. the only reason the WRX is even in the same league (in most minds) as the SRT-4 is because of AWD. After launch, the SRT-4 is much, much faster. I am nearly stock and can't remember one WRX (even a modded one) being close. I have also taken a stock STi from a roll.

Let's not lose our heads here, fourside. SRT-4's are decent performers, but STI's are out of your league.

I've haven't ready this whole thread, but a heads up about WRX mods.

A BOV and intake on an untuned wrx actually can loose power. For all the people who raced wrx's with only intake and BOV the chances are the owners don't know shit about their cars and probably can't drive very well.

Still good kill man.

Low end WRX, high end 32*.
+1 to that

Finally someone else who knows more about a WRX than the fact that it's AWD. There's so much more that factors in. The stock BOV in the WRX is reciruclating. This actually helps the turbo spool up quicker after shifts. If it's switched to an external BOV, the turbo is losing all the work it already did, thus making it less efficient and producing less power.

Let's not lose our heads here, fourside. SRT-4's are decent performers, but STI's are out of your league.

i wouldnt say fourside is losing his head. sti's are good for traps at 102-103 and wrxs do suffer from lower boost in the higher gears. as far as i know an srt-4 will trap around 100-102. an srt-4 is known more for its power from a roll than a dig, and i can definately see a stock srt-4 walking an sti on the highway.

+1 to that

Finally someone else who knows more about a WRX than the fact that it's AWD. There's so much more that factors in. The stock BOV in the WRX is reciruclating. This actually helps the turbo spool up quicker after shifts. If it's switched to an external BOV, the turbo is losing all the work it already did, thus making it less efficient and producing less power.

"the turbo is losing all the work it already did, thus making it less efficient and producing less power????" Bah, you're crazy....-1 to you.

A recirculating BOV's main function is to prevent the release of air that's already been metered throught the MAF to atmosphere...(makes it run rich after a shift if it doesn't recirculate and bypass the MAF.) The fact that it's recirculated doesn't have crap to do with spool time. Any BOV that prevents air from surging back into the compressor during shifts will help a turbo's spool, but whether or not it's recirculated has ZERO effect.:alright

why did you delete your post?
i deleted it because i dont feel like dealing with people on here that do nothing but flame on others. its just turns into pointless arguing on here and i try to stay away from it. not starting another argument...i just dont like to deal with it. deleting posts and unsubscribing is the easiest way to get away from it.

"the turbo is losing all the work it already did, thus making it less efficient and producing less power????" Bah, you're crazy....-1 to you.

A recirculating BOV's main function is to prevent the release of air that's already been metered throught the MAF to atmosphere...(makes it run rich after a shift if it doesn't recirculate and bypass the MAF.) The fact that it's recirculated doesn't have crap to do with spool time. Any BOV that prevents air from surging back into the compressor during shifts will help a turbo's spool, but whether or not it's recirculated has ZERO effect.:alright
Ehh.. you learn something new every day. Guilty as charged... I posted like I knew what I was talking about, when I really didn't. Either way... the WRX is designed for a recirc BOV. Changing that when you have less than say... 350-400 hp, you're hurting your power.

Let's not lose our heads here, fourside. SRT-4's are decent performers, but STI's are out of your league.

Saying that stock vs stock an SRT-4 is faster from a roll than an STi is not losing my head. I never said I could outrun one from a dig.

you need a couple mods to keep with a WRX otherwise they will leave you in dust from a stop

Could a '95 M3 with a couple of mods beat a subey? What about in the twisties....all wheel drive...????

I'm an astronaut. I have a rocketship. Rocketship ftw.

Could a '95 M3 with a couple of mods beat a subey? What about in the twisties....all wheel drive...????
depends. Stock WRX? a 95 m3 probably could, the rex would get the hole shot, and then soon return to it's sluggish self, and th em3 would proceed to pass it. I heard the subbies aren't real great around the track. I dont have any hard info though.

I'm an astronaut. I have a rocketship. Rocketship ftw.

Well my rocketship is bigger, and its russian- with geman engineering. Thusly, I am better than you:stickoutt

Well my rocketship is bigger, and its russian- with geman engineering. Thusly, I am better than you:stickoutt


You? No. Your rocketship? Maybe, but i doubt it. Mine has vinyl :alright

Hecho en Mexico.

this is perfect for me this , as i have a 328i and getting a subaru wrx import on wednesday lol i heard the imports have 260-70 bhp been looking at some reviews and 1 or 2 of them said the import does 0-60 in 4.9 hard to believe but i am going off wot a review said i know nothing about the different models of wrx , sti and others lol i know the uk specs aint as gud as the imports unless they tune them . :D

people just seem to loooooove their 328's. it's like a cult.

i saw posts where people were hunting to find a better magazine time for a 0-60. come on, who cares. 328's weren't made for racing, and they aren't fast. 6.2 vs. 6.5. are you really going to care what your 0-60 is in the middle of a race?

a wrx is faster. personally, i've seen stock examples anywhere from 14.0-14.6. some drivers and machines are stronger than others, but a low 14 second 1/4mi is very possible.

srt-4's are def. quick esp. for the money. unfortunatley, dodge doesn't make them anymore. the only drawback is the fwd, and the army douchebags driving them. i'm not saying that all srt4 owners are like this, but almost all i have met are complete morons. i will never be able to truly respect the car knowing that some teenage/college boy, who thinks its the fastest car around, is driving it.

Saying that stock vs stock an SRT-4 is faster from a roll than an STi is not losing my head. I never said I could outrun one from a dig.

i'll find you a bunch of videos in which a stock sti pulls on an srt-4...ON THE HIGHWAY:eek:

http://videos.streetfire.net/search/sti/0/A2D4EF0E-666C-42ED-AD3B-DF5D9D15F4C6.htm
here is one a modded sti and a modded srt4. guess who wins? the srt4 is clearly well tuned too, so i don't see you giving the unfair advantage to the subaru.

i have a few mates like that lol what eva car they are driving they think is the fastest car going. one has a standard import honda crx 160 bhp v-tech i have neva known someone to go on thinkin that their car is the fastest, he thinks he raced a supra twin turbo nd beat it hmmmz that one just showed how much he bs's. as his car limits out at 120mph nd does not go over that..
that sort of thing bores me lol

Im not reading this whole post. wrx's can me made very fast with a few bolt ons. Brother had a wrx and ran low 12's all day. Used to spin all four wheels in the burnout box. He had room to improve also. Only reason why it didnt is because he went threw 4 trannys before calling it quits. He refuses to get another one because of the tranny problems they all have, unless hes converting it to rear wheel drive.

After riding in this car many times, with his mods. I have no doubt it will have problems smoking 325 or 328 until 100-110.

I walk E46 330s all the time with my 3.0 X and WRX walks me. Thus WRX should run away from 328s no problem. Do note my X is AWD like the WRX. Now AWDs take a lot of getting used to launch properly. But it is great in less than optimum road conditions.

*sticks head in* I tried reading much of this...you all seem to know so much. Could you enlighten me briefly with your knowledge. What exactly is a trap speed? I can only gather it is the speed at which a car loses its power? Is that correct? Thanks

Also...what would one of you say the trap speed is in an e39? Just for curiosities sake.

depends. Stock WRX? a 95 m3 probably could, the rex would get the hole shot, and then soon return to it's sluggish self, and th em3 would proceed to pass it. I heard the subbies aren't real great around the track. I dont have any hard info though.
awd understeer FTL :( depends on the driver... and how agressive they are.. but that applies to any car vs car in the twisties..

*sticks head in* I tried reading much of this...you all seem to know so much. Could you enlighten me briefly with your knowledge. What exactly is a trap speed? I can only gather it is the speed at which a car loses its power? Is that correct? Thanks

Also...what would one of you say the trap speed is in an e39? Just for curiosities sake.

trap speed is how fast (mph) a car drives through at the end of a 1/4 mile.

i know this is about a wrx, but i came up to a supra last night, and it made me so irritated that i could do absolutely nothing about attempting to match anything he had. that car is in a class of its own. He was reving his shit like he wanted me to try.. i didnt even want to embarass myself.

i never knew there were so many dumb people in here who race in the RAIN with RWD!

i never knew there were so many dumb people in here who race in the RAIN with RWD!
OT: Are those real spoon rims? O_O I want an s2k.. but don't have the funds :(