Ok long story short. Guy in town has a modded EVO VIII. 312 WHP. Intake, Ex, ECU, BOV and susp. He had 2 friends w/ him, I was alone and low on Fuel. From 60 MPH roll we were even on throttle, I pulled on him as he shifted, he pulled on me as I shifted. From 75 MPH roll, I pulled a bit, then he caught me between gears, then I caught him between gears. We were almnost dead even up to almost 140. He blames it on the 2 guys in his car, Im sure it helped, but he's supposedly making about 85 WHP more than me so I was happy :cool
~Phil

Mods in Sig + Stromung exhaust

:clap

How do you fare against e36 m3's?

Raced a few lightly modded e36 M cars nose to nose basically. Intake, exuast s/w cars. I have never raced a bone stock M.
~Phil

Nice, for some reason I don't think that guy has 312whp.

Have you dynoed your car, or are you guessing at your whp #?

But 2 people in teh guys car wouldn't make that big of a difference, since it was a roll race. Either he is lying about his numbers, or the guy can't drive for crap.

two guys can make a hell of a difference on a turbo charged 4cyl. They could have easily added 350-400 lbs to that car. sure the engine as 300hp, but to the wheel on an awd drive the WHP isn't much different.

Raced a few lightly modded e36 M cars nose to nose basically. Intake, exuast s/w cars. I have never raced a bone stock M.
~Phil
I too have raced one modded M3 only and was like you said nose to nose, no gains on either end except when i shifted...He was a slow shifter and that was pre-install of 3.23 LSD.

I too have raced one modded M3 only and was like you said nose to nose, no gains on either end except when i shifted...He was a slow shifter and that was pre-install of 3.23 LSD.


That is a hot lip... what kind is it?

two guys can make a hell of a difference on a turbo charged 4cyl. They could have easily added 350-400 lbs to that car. sure the engine as 300hp, but to the wheel on an awd drive the WHP isn't much different.
except for the fact that the evo driver was claimign to have 312all WHEEL horsepower.

Also from a roll weight doesn't have as big of a factor.

Also, when I was stock except for rims, I raced a stock Evo (well guessing stock, since the guy went so far to get a vanity plate of an Evo MR which his wasn't). He had 3 other passengers with him, and he was smoking me from 30mph till he botched up his 3rd gear shift, and then we were neck and neck through 3rd and 4th. So passengers don't effect the cars THAT much.

except for the fact that the evo driver was claimign to have 312all WHEEL horsepower.

Also from a roll weight doesn't have as big of a factor.

Also, when I was stock except for rims, I raced a stock Evo (well guessing stock, since the guy went so far to get a vanity plate of an Evo MR which his wasn't). He had 3 other passengers with him, and he was smoking me from 30mph till he botched up his 3rd gear shift, and then we were neck and neck through 3rd and 4th. So passengers don't effect the cars THAT much.
Those 2 passengers are the difference between a 328i and 528i. are you still sticking with your statement that weight doesnt affect cars?

i think weight played a big factor, or maybe hes just a shitty driver

Thanks for all the feedback guys, there were some good points made. I aprecciate the comments and the fact that no1 was rude. :redspot
~Phil

anyway,

can you post some side profile pics of your 328. I love the ltw low spoiler. Thanks Phil

That is a hot lip... what kind is it?
Rieger Cup Spoiler in ABS Plastic

good show... we dont have evo's here in canada so i dont get to beat them.... rep the lil 328's that could...:buttrock

were u from in canada?

Those 2 passengers are the difference between a 328i and 528i. are you still sticking with your statement that weight doesnt affect cars?

Weight certainly has an effect, but he was saying from a roll it has less of an effect...which is absolutely true.

the weight must have had a huge effect..or as was mentioned above he might have been a crappy driver...i have had a modded e36 m3 as well as a evo (stock) and even with 3 ppl in my evo i still think it would have smoked my m3....on a side note i gotta add that you have a realllly nice lookin 328

Nice looking 328 and nice kill. I think his 312whp claim was bogus though. You never know though. Some of these tuner shops falsify their numbers with goofy dyno calibrations to gain attention. In reality dynos should be used as a baseline and nothing more. With a full TBE, EcuTek flash and dyno-tune I put down about 250whp/260wtq on the Gruppe-S Mustang dyno out here in Hayward, CA. If I really wanted to brag about numbers I could have taken it to another shop and put down close to 290whp on a dynapack dyno. It's not important to me.

Nice looking 328 and nice kill. I think his 312whp claim was bogus though. You never know though. Some of these tuner shops falsify their numbers with goofy dyno calibrations to gain attention. In reality dynos should be used as a baseline and nothing more. With a full TBE, EcuTek flash and dyno-tune I put down about 250whp/260wtq on the Gruppe-S Mustang dyno out here in Hayward, CA. If I really wanted to brag about numbers I could have taken it to another shop and put down close to 290whp on a dynapack dyno. It's not important to me.
Thnaks for that info. I beat that guys is making 312 Crank and he's was trying to be badass:nono , now he just looks like an idiot :redspot

http://members.myactv.net/%7Ephilscars/Spoilered_s.jpg

http://members.myactv.net/~philscars/Spoilered_s2.jpg

~Phil

where'd u get that spoiler? is this one that you can put on without drilling? it looks really good!

http://members.myactv.net/~philscars/Spoilered_s2.jpg

~Phil

Post a warning for things like that. I have to change my underwear. :shifty

:lol

haha yea its very clean though man

weight plays a huge factor, i killed a saleen s281 extreme, which has like a 1 and a half more power then i put down, but the wieght factor was over a thousand pounds, but thats a lot bigger difference then a e36 vs evo, but you cant say that wieght doesnt play a factor

Passengers added weight can affect a race alot. I ran a BONE STOCK SRT4 with 4 people in my car and only got about 1.5 cars on him. Take those people out and it would've been a totally different outcome. This was with the mods in my sig, but smaller cams.

Good kill man, but like someone else said, his two passengers could've added 300-400 lbs to his car and you were by yourself and practically on empty which would help as well. Many things can happen on the street and if he was cocky enough to race you with a bunch of people in his car then he deserves to be embarrassed.:)

Your car looks nice.:buttrock

Hot car man!

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Good kill man, but like someone else said, his two passengers could've added 300-400 lbs to his car and you were by yourself and practically on empty which would help as well. Many things can happen on the street and if he was cocky enough to race you with a bunch of people in his car then he deserves to be embarrassed.:)

Your car looks nice.:buttrock
Thanks a bunch guys, everyone has made me feel a little bit better about owning a now 10 yr old car. I was beginning to loose ineterest in my car. Since I am getting soo much +++ feedback, I will continute to mod and customize my car, thanks!!! :redspot :b_red :b_mirror :thanks: :shine :b_blue :drummer :cashwalle :cashwalle :cashwalle :cashwalle :cashwalle
~Phil

yeah definitely stay with it..i went away from bmw's temporarily and it was a huge mistake i cant wait to get another one!! on a side note..i didnt realize how many ppl on this forum have or had evo's!

yes slocar, I will still stick to my statement. I said also from a roll weight doesn't have as big of a factor.
So....yes, I will stick to that statement. From a dig it is much larger.

Also the couple hundreds of pounds isn't all that seperates a 328 from a 528, you might also want to look at gearing, I'm not sure, but I do think I remember hearing something about that contributing a good deal to an outcome of a race. :rolleyes

But like I said, I'm guessing the guy was making a fake claim about his horsepower.

yes slocar, I will still stick to my statement. I said
So....yes, I will stick to that statement. From a dig it is much larger.

Also the couple hundreds of pounds isn't all that seperates a 328 from a 528, you might also want to look at gearing, I'm not sure, but I do think I remember hearing something about that contributing a good deal to an outcome of a race. :rolleyes

But like I said, I'm guessing the guy was making a fake claim about his horsepower.

I guess with all my mods I can barely pull away from a stock SRT-4. I had 4 people in my car. It makes a difference.:confused

yeah definitely stay with it..i went away from bmw's temporarily and it was a huge mistake i cant wait to get another one!! on a side note..i didnt realize how many ppl on this forum have or had evo's!
So wait. This isn't an Evo forum? I just figured we had a lot of BMW owners on here. Now I'm pissed. :comp:

I know this thread is a couple weeks old but I feel I have to chime in. I have a chipped 95 M3, and about a month ago I ran into what appeared to be a stock EvoMR. We started at 70ish a couple of times and he didn't even downshift and he absolutely stomped me each and every time, it was not even close. I'm talking at least 5 lengths by the time I hit 120 every time, I didn't have a prayer. I don't think two people can make that much of difference, but hey that's just my opinion.

Matt

if weight doesnt matter then i guess there is no point in people always asking if the e46 m3 you raced was a vert or not..... how bout a 332ti from a roll....a k20 swapped civic.... weight doesnt make a huge difference but it makes a significant difference in a race even from a roll especially if we are talking about 300-500lbs.

I know this thread is a couple weeks old but I feel I have to chime in. I have a chipped 95 M3, and about a month ago I ran into what appeared to be a stock EvoMR. We started at 70ish a couple of times and he didn't even downshift and he absolutely stomped me each and every time, it was not even close. I'm talking at least 5 lengths by the time I hit 120 every time, I didn't have a prayer. I don't think two people can make that much of difference, but hey that's just my opinion.

Matt

I had a run with a E36 M3 two summers ago before I had my cams and custom tune. It was VERY ugly for him right from the beginning. He said it was a Euro version that was imprted here, but I dont really know.

if weight doesnt matter then i guess there is no point in people always asking if the e46 m3 you raced was a vert or not..... how bout a 332ti from a roll....a k20 swapped civic.... weight doesnt make a huge difference but it makes a significant difference in a race even from a roll especially if we are talking about 300-500lbs.


werd....:)

except for the fact that the evo driver was claimign to have 312all WHEEL horsepower.

Also from a roll weight doesn't have as big of a factor.

So passengers don't effect the cars THAT much.Dawg I know your kidding right? I can't flame you on this one because i know you're good people and some folks actually believe what you're saying to be tru.!;)
EXHIBIT A
1.2 cars
2.same whp going 80mph
3. one passenger in car A
4.three (200) lb passengers in car B=600 extra lbs
5.Both A&B punch in the same gear at the same speed at the same time
6.Who wins?

Same thing with a 160 bhp motorcycle and a 160bhp car.Who wins?:D Your still my Boy!:cool

I have played with Evo's and STi's before and got worked by both every time. I don't think 2 passengers will make that big of a difference. What kind of 1/4 mile times are you running?

That's what I'm saying, I got beat up by an STI with 2 passengers like a year ago now that I think of it. And LazyUSN has had the same thing happen to him and he would run me b/c of his mods. Maybe the EVO's passengers were Fat Albert like or something j/k. I'm just trying to figure this whole thing out.

Matt

Stranger things have happened. A few weeks back I pulled pretty hard on a supercharged 350Z track edition. The owner dates a girl who lives in the apartments across the street from me so I've talked to him before. He showed me the dyno charts...complete with AFR and boost plots...before and after the tune. It said he was putting down 386whp and it was a nice flat torque curve from about 1.8k RPM's through 7.2k RPM's. I showed him my Evo's latest chart which has me at about 245whp/260wtq with a TBE, MR BOV and EcuTek flash. The main difference is that I put down those numbers on a certain Bay Area tuner's Mustang dyno known for being uber conservative.

Dawg I know your kidding right? I can't flame you on this one because i know you're good people and some folks actually believe what you're saying to be tru.!;)
EXHIBIT A
1.2 cars
2.same whp going 80mph
3. one passenger in car A
4.three (200) lb passengers in car B=600 extra lbs
5.Both A&B punch in the same gear at the same speed at the same time
6.Who wins?

Same thing with a 160 bhp motorcycle and a 160bhp car.Who wins?:D Your still my Boy!:cool
Carl, I know that. But the vehicles in this story didn't have same WHP. But also I was merely saying, passenger don't make as big of a difference from a roll as from a dig. That was my point from the get go. Probably after repeating over and over, that may have become blurred a bit.

But in the original story, it said a 312 AWHP evo with a few passengers, was dead even with a lightly modded 328. The passengers in that vehicle wouldn't make that big of a deal unless they weighed like 350lbs each.

But I swear, it seemed during this thread, people would read part of posts, and make up their own argument with somebody, that really was off on it's own tangent.

Also carl, I did not take offense to you going against me. I would hope some people believe what i say. I've hung around this section to know the basics of racing. :)

Evos are beasts with the turbos. the fact that you keeped up was a comforting feeling

nice man... 328's are easy to mod to m3 territory. LSD and cams is pretty much the difference.

OT: Luvmy328is- How do you like the M50 manifold? is the gains worth the money? thx

Ok long story short. Guy in town has a modded EVO VIII. 312 WHP. Intake, Ex, ECU, BOV and susp. He had 2 friends w/ him, I was alone and low on Fuel. From 60 MPH roll we were even on throttle, I pulled on him as he shifted, he pulled on me as I shifted. From 75 MPH roll, I pulled a bit, then he caught me between gears, then I caught him between gears. We were almnost dead even up to almost 140. He blames it on the 2 guys in his car, Im sure it helped, but he's supposedly making about 85 WHP more than me so I was happy :cool
~Phil

Mods in Sig + Stromung exhaust

Evo: 25% drivetrain loss. You: 15% drivetrain loss.

So, he has roughly 234 rwhp and you have roughly 192 rwhp. That cuts the difference down to 42 rwhp. Add the two guys in his car and your empty tank and it's sounds about right.

Yeah two guys makes a hell of a difference, but none the less nice run:)

Evo: 25% drivetrain loss. You: 15% drivetrain loss.

So, he has roughly 234 rwhp and you have roughly 192 rwhp. That cuts the difference down to 42 rwhp. Add the two guys in his car and your empty tank and it's sounds about right.

Reading comprehension my man.

The guy said he had 312AWHP.

That's to the wheels. Drivetrain loss is already accounted for.

This story is totally believable...:shifty

I love it how people think that they can justify a sketchy story w/the awd power loss argument. haha, awd hp figures already account for the loss, and the car doesn't lose more and more power as it accelerates on the highway.

312awd hp versus low 200 range rwd hp. come on dude.

328's are NOT fast cars. I don't mean to be a dick, but i'll soon read stories about how a lightly modded 328 beats an e55. I can hear the arguments now: "But the supercharger gets heat soak...it totally makes sense that the 328 won" "The e55 had two guys with him...plus the car weighs a lot in general...def. makes sense the 328 won"

Evo: 25% drivetrain loss. You: 15% drivetrain loss.

So, he has roughly 234 rwhp and you have roughly 192 rwhp. That cuts the difference down to 42 rwhp. Add the two guys in his car and your empty tank and it's sounds about right.
*sighs* Why did this thread get revived. Full of idiocy. Jesus, I knew it, the surge of joiners during the Sep-Oct 05 period was going to screw things up. I saw it from the beginning.

312 ALL WHEEL HORSEPOWER, keyword being wheel, means drivetrain loss has been accounted for. 312hp, 312bhp, 312chp are all ways to show horsepower before the drivetrain loss has been accounted for and is not at the wheels yet.

Now lets figure it up with that new bit of knowledge. Now we have a alleged 112whp difference, toss in the two passengers, factor in the bimmers empty tank, then put in the unmentioned four flat tires on the Evo, and it sounds about right. :rolleyes