Let's start off and say that i thought this was gonna be MUCH closer than it was.

I was leaving walmart and came up behind this VR6. When the light turned green we both turned left, and he went into the right lane and i went into the left. I was just slowly passing him and when his hood got to my rear bumper he downshifted and took off. Ended up both of us got stopped lined up at a stop light. He kept inching forward. Light turned green, and i was off. 1 car length...2, 3 and when i was about 10 car lengths ahead, i let off and slowed down. The jetta again creeps up, and lines up. Now goin about 45-50, i was in third gear, i was gonna let him jump first, he does. I leave him again, prolly putting a car and a half on him, shut down towards the end of 4th gear. As i am slowing down, he pulls a ricer fly by and just keeps goin.

lol..are those jettas fast? good kill but i dont think they're anything next to an e36 m

they are decent, not to shaby, but stock for stock the e36 m3 is gonna take it

I have a question... My friend has a Golf R32, what do you think would win between that and a e36 m? He's got some good high end pull, but loses alot of his accleration after 80. I'm buyin my m3 on friday and just wondring what you guys think will win.

those R32s are 14 second machines....should be close...

they have AWD though..so he should get ya off the line.

those R32s are 14 second machines....should be close...

they have AWD though..so he should get ya off the line.
Not quite - Same HP (240chp) + Quattro (retarded drivetrain loss) = M3 FOR THE WIN BOOOOY. J/K

R32s handle like their on rails (in fact I know three guys that own one [used to have a chipped 02 Passat] and they all tell me that they can't stand driving it with the traction control on), but again it loses a LOT of HP through that Haltex Quattro driveline. Not only that but the curb weight is +/- 200lbs more than an M3. Gotta admit they look good, and sound pretty bad-ass with that muffler-less exhaust. :thumbup:

lol..are those jettas fast? good kill but i dont think they're anything next to an e36 m
They're only about 207chp IIRC. Fast little buggers... but VWs always weigh sooo much for their size (Jetta about 3200lbs; GTI about 3000lbs). :dunno :thumbdown

they do indeed. Lol my friends brother just recently got a 12-pointer for "engaging in a speed contest". Wasn't really racing even just a little game of cat and mouse with some old school malibu. Got 6 points dropped and has communitiy service after he went to court. Since then they've invested in an escort radar detector!

I have a question... My friend has a Golf R32, what do you think would win between that and a e36 m? He's got some good high end pull, but loses alot of his accleration after 80. I'm buyin my m3 on friday and just wondring what you guys think will win.

R32 advantage is the AWD launch
M3 advantage is less drive train losses RWD
Race him from a roll and you will take him

those R32s are 14 second machines....should be close...

they have AWD though..so he should get ya off the line.
HIGH 14 sec times... M3 has Low 14sec times stock IIRC.. and higher trap speeds.

Per European Car when they tested the R32:

"The quarter mile, conducted with mild, drivetrain-protecting launches, was run in an average of 14.8 sec. at 94 mph."

http://www.europeancarweb.com/firstlook/0305ec_r32/

R32 advantage is the AWD launch
M3 advantage is less drive train losses RWD
Race him from a roll and you will take him

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R32 advantage is the AWD launch
M3 advantage is less drive train losses RWD
Race him from a roll and you will take him
That, or if you do race him from a stop make sure you race him to about 100. A roll will show your worth however :D

HIGH 14 sec times... M3 has Mid 14sec times stock IIRC.. and higher trap speeds.

Per European Car when they tested the R32:

"The quarter mile, conducted with mild, drivetrain-protecting launches, was run in an average of 14.8 sec. at 94 mph."

http://www.europeancarweb.com/firstlook/0305ec_r32/


NAH!!!! take that with a grain of salt....they arent THAT slow.

I raced one when I had my 04 WRX...at the time with simple bolt-ons...intake,turbo-back exhaust...so i was running about 240-245hp (227 stock) and my car was good for a high 13 second 1/4 (13.8-13.9)

...I raced the R32 from a light to about 110mph and when we shut down i was only 1.5 carlengths ahead.

and he was stock....so they are a low 14 second car.

Meh...I raced on in my SRT-4 from roll and put bus lengths on him, literally. He flicked me off at the end of the race too! :mad

NAH!!!! take that with a grain of salt....they arent THAT slow.

I raced one when I had my 04 WRX...at the time with simple bolt-ons...intake,turbo-back exhaust...so i was running about 240-245hp (227 stock) and my car was good for a high 13 second 1/4 (13.8-13.9)

...I raced the R32 from a light to about 110mph and when we shut down i was only 1.5 carlengths ahead.

and he was stock....so they are a low 14 second car.
They may make good quarter mile times, possibly low 14 seconds, but so does an M3 AND it will trap higher speeds. You can't argue with a whp difference of almost 40whp and a weight difference of almost 200lbs. Once an M3 gets up to speed it'll take an R32 without a doubt. Even from a dead stop the R32 may get a jump on an M3, but after they get into 4th gear the M3 is going to pull on him. OBDII E36 M3 (have more torque than OBDI) will run low 14s and trap 99-100mph - an R32 may run low 14s but it'll only trap about 95mph. That shows that the M3 has greater acceleration than the R32. AWD sucks, IMHO (unless you are an LM car putting down 800ft/lbs of torque :D).

wow soo much misinformation, the r32 does not have Haldex quattro AWD with (retarded drivetrain loss):rolleyes, they have the haldex awd system, which is the fastest reacting AWD system. It is primarily FWD, pretty much 90% fwd, 10% on the rear wheels, but if it detects slippage it engages more power to the rear wheels, then as it doesn't need it, it lowers the power down to the rear wheels. So up top, it isn't robbed near as bad as many AWD vehicles.
usually low 14 second cars stock @ 97-99mph. Some times, we get a few better times like one guy on vortex a couple days ago that ran a 13.96 @ 98.62 in his completely stock r32. A chip and intake + exhaust modification is good for about 20hp increase. Though 20hp increase sounds little, they seem to run on average .5-.75seconds faster in the quarter mile with just these modifications.

they are very close in performance, drivers race imo.

wow soo much misinformation, the r32 does not have Haldex quattro AWD with (retarded drivetrain loss):rolleyes, they have the haldex awd system, which is the fastest reacting AWD system. It is primarily FWD, pretty much 90% fwd, 10% on the rear wheels, but if it detects slippage it engages more power to the rear wheels, then as it doesn't need it, it lowers the power down to the rear wheels. So up top, it isn't robbed near as bad as many AWD vehicles.
usually low 14 second cars stock @ 97-99mph. Some times, we get a few better times like one guy on vortex a couple days ago that ran a 13.96 @ 98.62 in his completely stock r32. A chip and intake + exhaust modification is good for about 20hp increase. Though 20hp increase sounds little, they seem to run on average .5-.75seconds faster in the quarter mile with just these modifications.

they are very close in performance, drivers race imo.
I put Quattro because it is the same system Quattro has been using in some of their other cars, and the "4Motion" that VW uses is just Quattro design with VW re-badging.

Even when it is pushing most of the power to the front, it has parasitic drag from moving components throughout both differentials. Being that both cars have nearly identical bhp numbers, the R32 weighs more, and it has more driveline loss, the M3 is a faster car. Now of course, faster is always relative. Whether it'd be quarter mile, rolling race, twisties...

Now, you saying that it's a driver's race is of course, relative. EVERY race is a driver's race :D. IMO if the same driver drove both cars and was proficient and familiar with both cars, the M3 would nudge the R32 in the 1320 and it would beat the R32 on a highway roll.

I agree though that both cars are very close in performance, both of them having specific advantages; however being that 99% of most driver's are such novice anyways in this case it has no bearing - said hypothetical race could go either way. :thumbup: :biglaughb

EDIT: Consequently, I didn't really consider the DSG transmission... considering of course that the DSG is almost solely responsible for the huge weight difference between the M3 and the R32, it does provide a very nice shifting advantage because it can shift 3-5/10s of a second faster than a manual. That would definitely make it a closer race... although the design of the cars is so different too, one being an Autobahn cruiser and the other being a Rally-based battler. :D

Should I go on? :biglaughb

yea actually the quattro system is torsen based not haldex. also as i stated in my last post alot of guys are running 97-99 stock, i dont see a stock e36m3 trapping more then 100mph.

A lot of talk about the R32. Neat cars, but the fact of the matter is they are too heavy at 34xx lbs. The VR6 you raced is slow. E36 M3's are very quick, those are just not. You see a lot of VR6 kill stories, not so many 1.8T stories...less fame for the engine.

yea actually the quattro system is torsen based not haldex. also as i stated in my last post alot of guys are running 97-99 stock, i dont see a stock e36m3 trapping more then 100mph.
I know it is/has used torsen. Quattro GmbH doesn't MAKE Torsen or Haldex. They just USE them. Quattro has designed systems for VW and Audi based on both Haldex AND Torsen. The R32 is the first VW to use the Haldex; IIRC the Toureg uses it also. I don't believe that they have an Audi with Haldex yet in the States...Quattro GmbH just designs the systems - Audi and VW just put the labels on the back of the rides. :thumbup:

To say Quattro hasn't made a Haldex system in untrue - it sits in the R32 as we speak. Quattro designed that system for VW/Audi. :D

A lot of talk about the R32. Neat cars, but the fact of the matter is they are too heavy at 34xx lbs. The VR6 you raced is slow. E36 M3's are very quick, those are just not. You see a lot of VR6 kill stories, not so many 1.8T stories...less fame for the engine.
I love GTIs with big ass FMICs.

What have you trapped? ET?

I know it is/has used torsen. Quattro GmbH doesn't MAKE Torsen or Haldex. They just USE them. Quattro has designed systems for VW and Audi based on both Haldex AND Torsen. The R32 is the first VW to use the Haldex; IIRC the Toureg uses it also. I don't believe that they have an Audi with Haldex yet in the States...Quattro GmbH just designs the systems - Audi and VW just put the labels on the back of the rides. :thumbup:

To say Quattro hasn't made a Haldex system in untrue - it sits in the R32 as we speak. Quattro designed that system for VW/Audi. :D

I was just clearing up that the "Quattro" system in the r32 is not the same power robbing system as in MOST audis, EX: all the current audi models besides the TT which uses the same haldex system as the r32

okay, Mracer said alot i was going to. Say it had the haldex system, which is quickest. 90/10 etc.

From a dig, the R32 has the advantage due to being able to launch at such a high rpm. From a roll, the m3 has a slight advantage due to less weight, and less (not much) parasitic loss.

In the 1/8, I'd give the win to the r32 no problem. In the 1/4 I;d say it is a drivers race. The R32 has the advantage, but if the m3 driver can launch good and shift fairly quick he could probably take it.

As for the VR6, they are pathetic little things. They are in the lower tier of street racers, they are pretty quick, but not in our bracket.

I was just clearing up that the "Quattro" system in the r32 is not the same power robbing system as in MOST audis, EX: all the current audi models besides the TT which uses the same haldex system as the r32
Gotchya. ;) Haldex does rock :buttrock

If you like that sort of thing... :rolleyes ;)

EEEEeeee36:
I trapped 35mph my first time at the track with it. lol I broke my axles at 7000 rpm in 2nd. The bad news is, that is the only track around and it is closing for 3 months. I have no chance to test out the new Raxles and the Azenis RT-615's. That is an amazing tire by the way. I have about 75 miles on them, and they grip like hell even with 300fwhp.

EEEEeeee36:
I trapped 35mph my first time at the track with it. lol I broke my axles at 7000 rpm in 2nd. The bad news is, that is the only track around and it is closing for 3 months. I have no chance to test out the new Raxles and the Azenis RT-615's. That is an amazing tire by the way. I have about 75 miles on them, and they grip like hell even with 300fwhp.
Nice trap speed!! :buttrock

Azenis? Never heard of them - who makes 'em? Do they have a very low wear rating? (like 180 AA A)?

R32's trap wight around the same as the M3's, mainly high 90's MPH. Id say a driver's race.
On an aside, I have seen two on the road courses around here. One at Thunderhill and one at Infineon. Now, it may have just been drivers, but both those cars were kicking some serious ass on those courses. Leaving behind many a Bimmer on the way.

Meh...I raced on in my SRT-4 from roll and put bus lengths on him, literally. He flicked me off at the end of the race too! :mad

if you're both stock, you're full of fresh horse dumped feces, unless some grandma was driving. i know they're heavy and a bit slower than M3 but you will not put bus lengths on it with your neon. record the race with an able driver in the R32 and prove me wrong please

if you're both stock, you're full of shit, unless some grandma was driving. i know they're heavy and a bit slower than M3 but you will not put bus lengths on it with your neon. record the race with an able driver in the R32 and prove me wrong please
edit your profanity, otherwise the thread may be locked. Expand your vocabulary, use words like poo, fesces, crap, fecal matter...you know a more wholesome family word.

But a stock SRT-4 should not put bus lengths on a stock R32.

edit your profanity, otherwise the thread may be locked. Expand your vocabulary, use words like poo, fesces, crap, fecal matter...you know a more wholesome family word.

But a stock SRT-4 should not put bus lengths on a stock R32.

edited my thread...sorry i got mad at a neon putting down an R32

A lot of talk about the R32. Neat cars, but the fact of the matter is they are too heavy at 34xx lbs. The VR6 you raced is slow. E36 M3's are very quick, those are just not. You see a lot of VR6 kill stories, not so many 1.8T stories...less fame for the engine.

Hmm. I like both the r32, and the e36 M3 its up to you which one may be a funner car. I would think its the M3...its a terrific car and fast.

As for making the R32 fast, there is a kid who has supercharged this.
Thats really what u need to take it up a few notches..

I have heard that the 1.8 liter turbo(I have an 03 GTI), with big garrett 28rs turbo, revo chip, FMIC and other mods will put out more power than the r32.
#300 HP is possible and the r32 and e36 M3 would loose.
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b297/jjgbmw323/awesomegti.jpg
The 1.8 turbo is the engine that most people like, and even just with
a revo chip and stock turbo they can give the r32 and e36 cars a run for their money.

Nice trap speed!! :buttrock

Azenis? Never heard of them - who makes 'em? Do they have a very low wear rating? (like 180 AA A)?

Falken tires makes them, ull see alot of Honda heads usually having those tires

Hmm. I like both the r32, and the e36 M3 its up to you which one may be a funner car. I would think its the M3...its a terrific car and fast.

As for making the R32 fast, there is a kid who has supercharged this.
Thats really what u need to take it up a few notches..

I have heard that the 1.8 liter turbo(I have an 03 GTI), with big garrett 28rs turbo, revo chip, FMIC and other mods will put out more power than the r32.
#300 HP is possible and the r32 and e36 M3 would loose.
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b297/jjgbmw323/awesomegti.jpg
The 1.8 turbo is the engine that most people like, and even just with
a revo chip and stock turbo they can give the r32 and e36 cars a run for their money.


that is a beautiful GTI!!

I've seen that picture many times now, and I love it. Yes, Falken makes the Azenis, and it's a darn good tire. The 1.8T can make tons of power with little effort. On my setup, I am able to reach about 350whp with the right tuning and fuel, or about 300whp on 91 octane and a conservative tune. The R32 is lethal when supercharged, but I would not know...I do not race in the family.:)

As for the VR6, they are pathetic little things. They are in the lower tier of street racers, they are pretty quick, but not in our bracket.



Hi


http://www.we-todd-did-racing.com/wetoddimage.wtdr/wMTE5MDE0NjZzNDEzZGZkMzF5NTQx.jpg

Hi


http://www.we-todd-did-racing.com/wetoddimage.wtdr/wMTE5MDE0NjZzNDEzZGZkMzF5NTQx.jpg

I knew this was coming! He's talking about stock. Anything can be made fast.

I knew this was coming! He's talking about stock. Anything can be made fast.



Calling it pathetic is slightly ignorant.

Calling it pathetic is slightly ignorant.

He said they were pretty quick. But in their class they were on the lower tier. Compared to even other Jettas/Golfs, they just don't match up. It's kinda like the Civic SI, alright car, but it's the lowest "sport" car in the Honda line up.

Calling it pathetic is slightly ignorant.

dont be one of those gay owners please....anyone can throw a turbo on a car and make it fast, specially in a little car. Im more for getting the most out of it, by good driving :) as is like running 13.9 in a stock m3 :) how bout them apples... or even yet 11.4 in a turbo 328 > http://bmwturbo328.com/11.4.wmv

the newer ones are pretty quick but not worth racing inless its an R32 they sound good as shit but from a roll are an easy kill even in a stock m3...

The older gtis and vr6s i dont like at all... to cheap looking. How ever i do like the corrados and was considering getting one as a project car but didnt like the idea of front wheel drive. I like having my rear slide out when i tap the gas not keep going straight and understeering lol :)

He said they were pretty quick. But in their class they were on the lower tier. Compared to even other Jettas/Golfs, they just don't match up. It's kinda like the Civic SI, alright car, but it's the lowest "sport" car in the Honda line up.



If we're talking stock-for-stock, like everyone here apparently is, the vr6 is the fastest of the available models, despite what the 1.8t kids think.

If we're talking stock-for-stock, like everyone here apparently is, the vr6 is the fastest of the available models, despite what the 1.8t kids think.

Faster than an R32?

Faster than an R32?



The R32 has a vr6.

The R32 has a vr6.

Yeah, but the 3.2L Dohc version isn't the one in question. Most of us will admit that's a good engine. We're talking about the 2.8 SOHC.

Yeah, but the 3.2L Dohc version isn't the one in question. Most of us will admit that's a good engine. We're talking about the 2.8 SOHC.


Yes, because that's clearly mentioned in the original post. Itr could very easily have been the DOHC version if it was in a newer Jetta. In any case, it's obvious that the vr6 isn't up to your standards, and that's what makes having a faster "inferior" car so much fun. :boink

Yes, because that's clearly mentioned in the original post. Itr could very easily have been the DOHC version if it was in a newer Jetta. In any case, it's obvious that the vr6 isn't up to your standards, and that's what makes having a faster "inferior" car so much fun. :boink

DOHC, SOHC it's still the 2.8 making right at 200bhp or less. And don't even talk about standards. I came from an accord, a 240 and a civic. I about bought the VR6 when i totaled my SI, but i found the M right after i test drove the VR6. And i know all about making an inferior car faster. There's a guy around here who has a 78 Corolla running 11s, you should see the faces of people at the track!. But just remember, you posted with your cocky "HI, i have a turbo VR6, so how dare you call stock VR6s pathetic!"

DOHC, SOHC it's still the 2.8 making right at 200bhp or less. And don't even talk about standards. I came from an accord, a 240 and a civic. I about bought the VR6 when i totaled my SI, but i found the M right after i test drove the VR6. And i know all about making an inferior car faster. There's a guy around here who has a 78 Corolla running 11s, you should see the faces of people at the track!. But just remember, you posted with your cocky "HI, i have a turbo VR6, so how dare you call stock VR6s pathetic!"


I never said anything about my car. You drew that conclusion. I corrected inaccuracies you guys posted that's it.

*sigh* I'm glad some people weren't so uptight to realize what i mean. I know very well what the vr6's are capable of. I know they are not utterly useless. Bone stock, they are pathetic little things. Except in their tier, which they are quite capable, halfway decent little cars. I thought about getting one for awhile.

The 1.8t kids think their vehicles are better, because of the mod capability. But if yhou put the money into the vr6, I think it is a better vehicle all around. But in the end, it is a vehicle I would not want. A FWD lower tier "sports" car. I'm not saying my car is all powerful, I know it's not. It is a RWD mid-upper tier "sports" car from yesterday. If I was going to get a VW it would be the r32, which I like alot. Great car. A friend of mine has one, and she has taught me a decent amount about VWs and the r32.

Now just posting a picture of your vr6 with a big front mount saying "Hi" doesn't mean crap, except that you are a bit egotistical it seems. I'm sure you call Geo Metro's crap cars right? What about the guys that have gutted them, engine swapped them, and F/Ied them and would spank your vr6 up and down the strip? :rolleyes

I never said anything about my car. You drew that conclusion. I corrected inaccuracies you guys posted that's it.

So you posted that since someone can make a turbo VR6, that's correcting an inaccuracy that a stock VR6 is pathetic? I never said that a stock VR6 is pathetic. I'm just tired of someone getting offended when someone says that a stock car is slow. So they have to post a pic, or tell about some car that is heavily modified. Lot's of cars have potential. I mean i've heard M3s called pathetic by people like V8 owners. Doesn't bother me, and i don't take offense.

And so if you aren't talking about your car, and that's not your car in the pic, then what is done to your car to make it faster?!

I have to disagree. I think the VR6 VW's are nice cars, both SOHC and DOHC. I recently had a chance to beat around a 2000 Jetta GLX 5 speed SOHC, and I find them a really pleasant car with a significantly more roomy interior than the E36 (important to me,maybe not so much to some others).
They have great seats (definitely better than E36 M3), better steering feedback and feel just as strong as a 328i. They are a bit nose heavy when pushed, but I hardly consider them pathetic.

i have a jetta also so wehen im in my bimmer i pay attention to other jetta's aswell.usually they think im grilling them couse i wanna run so i end up racing alot of them.there noting special at all i leave them with the ease.its funny then when i go to the volkswagon meets with my jetta i see them and ask them hey did ya ever get smoked by a e36 to see if they wil lie or not.

Now just posting a picture of your vr6 with a big front mount saying "Hi" doesn't mean crap, except that you are a bit egotistical it seems. I'm sure you call Geo Metro's crap cars right? What about the guys that have gutted them, engine swapped them, and F/Ied them and would spank your vr6 up and down the strip? :rolleyes



I'm not cocky or ignorant enough to call any car crap. They all serve a purpose.

So you posted that since someone can make a turbo VR6, that's correcting an inaccuracy that a stock VR6 is pathetic? I never said that a stock VR6 is pathetic. I'm just tired of someone getting offended when someone says that a stock car is slow. So they have to post a pic, or tell about some car that is heavily modified. Lot's of cars have potential. I mean i've heard M3s called pathetic by people like V8 owners. Doesn't bother me, and i don't take offense.

And so if you aren't talking about your car, and that's not your car in the pic, then what is done to your car to make it faster?!


Pathetic and slow aren't the same thing. My pic was to serve as a reality check. Again, I'm not cocky or ignorant enough to call anything pathetic.

My car is as close to maxed out as a vr6 can get, but again, I never used it as a reason to talk down about other cars. :)

i have a jetta also so wehen im in my bimmer i pay attention to other jetta's aswell.usually they think im grilling them couse i wanna run so i end up racing alot of them.there noting special at all i leave them with the ease.its funny then when i go to the volkswagon meets with my jetta i see them and ask them hey did ya ever get smoked by a e36 to see if they wil lie or not.
:lol that is great right there. :lol3

I'm not cocky or ignorant enough to call any car crap. They all serve a purpose.
Well I wouldn't consider myself cocky, ignorant at times. But I'll still call things crap. It is just a word I use. Sometimes it comes off the wrong way, others it comes off exactly how I want it to. But meh. whatever. I'll call a geo metro crap. Even if it does spank my car down a strip or on a track. Because in my eyes, it is still a piece of crap. but somebody probably loves it, just not me.

But I'll take back the pathetic, it shoudln't have been used. The car has potential, and is capable in it's tier. But as I said, I wouldn't want it, and in stock form, although decently quick, it is slow in my eyes.

i have a bimmer and a jetta. ok someone come over and get in one of my cars ill drive the other ane we will settle this lol.but for real sice i own both im alowed to talk trash.witch i actualy havent yet but plain and simple... will my e36 smoke a jetta? definitly, i have done it many times.

i have a bimmer and a jetta. ok someone come over and get in one of my cars ill drive the other ane we will settle this lol.but for real sice i own both im alowed to talk trash.witch i actualy havent yet but plain and simple... will my e36 smoke a jetta? definitly, i have done it many times.


What? Nobody was ever debating which one is faster stock. Wrong thread.

ok well since thats teh case my bimmer and jetta are both not at all stock.and i never ran a stock vr6 they were all very modded but so is my bimmer so were talking in circles.anyway...

I love VW, but vr6's sound fast and they aren't.....the 1.8t is a creation.....

I just want to add to the arguements.....my old jetta.....2.0t.....faster then my m3.....but lots of money went into it, if I put that money into the ///M, no match, same with a VR6....I say cars are cars, you make of it what you want, but this fighting makes me want to lose respect...no-offense.....end
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I saw an E30 325is keeping up with an R32 at the track...not passing, but not falling behind in the curves...but then again, the track had only 2 straightaways, and the E30 had a DAMN good driver. Made his E30 look like a Miata (not in a gay way). The R32 driver may have sucked, as well.

Oh btw, this is in response to a post a while back that I forgot to quote about R32's dominating the track.


So nobody gets all pissy, my point was that drivers are more important on the track...

Don't worry about the fact the you are posting a point. Most of the posts here, including mine, have absolutely no point. BTW, I love the pic of the GTI VR6 Turbo. I have seen those at the track, and they are very nice. Yea some cars are modded and some cars are not. A race is a race and what you have done to your car is your own business. You either win or you lose, period. In this case, the VR6 lost. In killerbee's case, he most likely almost never loses, and neither do I. :) You bimmer guys go out there and mod your cars, and then come and talk to us. Until then, stop whining.

Let's start off and say that i thought this was gonna be MUCH closer than it was.

I was leaving walmart and came up behind this VR6. When the light turned green we both turned left, and he went into the right lane and i went into the left. I was just slowly passing him and when his hood got to my rear bumper he downshifted and took off. Ended up both of us got stopped lined up at a stop light. He kept inching forward. Light turned green, and i was off. 1 car length...2, 3 and when i was about 10 car lengths ahead, i let off and slowed down. The jetta again creeps up, and lines up. Now goin about 45-50, i was in third gear, i was gonna let him jump first, he does. I leave him again, prolly putting a car and a half on him, shut down towards the end of 4th gear. As i am slowing down, he pulls a ricer fly by and just keeps goin.

Depending on what year that Vr6 jetta was, because 2004 are like 200hp & 02s are only like 173hp lol, so if you did blow him away that bad it was probably a 2002 vr6 jetta because when my 328i was stock i beat my friends 2002 jetta vr6 by like a car or so.

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wow, that thing is friggin crazy
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You bimmer guys go out there and mod your cars, and then come and talk to us. Until then, stop whining.

Who's whining? The only point i was trying to get past is that a modified VR6 does not makes up for the fact that the stock VR6 is pathetic. Leave it stock it's pathetic. Yes you can mod it, yes i've seen what they can do. Killerbee is trying to show that you can mod it to make it fast. I believe him, you can mod ANYTHING. No whining is goin on. There will always be something faster, especially if someone has put enough time and money in to it.

I love VW, but vr6's sound fast and they aren't.....the 1.8t is a creation.....

couldn't have said it better myself. i've had two mk3 vr6 jettas, they make a lot of noise but they don't do much with all that grunting and growling.