97m3john
01-06-2006, 05:07 PM
Just did some searching in the summitracing catalog and came across the cryogenics co2 aftercooler for 189$ plus 389 for the installation kit part#dei080110 and the installation kit is dei080102,I don't think I need the installation kit cause I have a nitrous kitlaying around someplace.
Pauly and dinanm3 I'd like to hear your feadback on this kit..
97m3john
01-07-2006, 01:25 AM
darn 64 views and not one response!!
dinans3m3
01-07-2006, 02:42 AM
Dont know how it can hold up under boost. The cooling chamber in the center of the tube looks as if it would restrict air flow. This would have to take place of the discharge tube. In order to get this to work properly you would have to weld a nipple for the ICV hose connection if dealing with a vortech or powerdyne. This may be useful on a powerdyne setup but will the restricted chamber compensate for the optimal air cooling? Another consideration is the price for refilling the CO2 and how long it will last? In the long run might as well spend the extra bucks and get the aftercooler setup in my opinion thats been proven and currently used by many.
paul e
01-07-2006, 12:03 PM
In the future, youll get more responses if you include the link to the product youre asking about....I think dinans3m3 raises the issues which occurred to me as I looked it up.. That obstruction in the center fo the tube looks like a deal killer to me. Hell.. I dont even like the way the RMS bypass hose elbow sticks down into the thermoplastic intake tube for the full length of its threads, so you know This is going to bother me! ;) Besides, does it say anywhere how wide the airflow chamber is? The copy says its 4" long, but I didnt see the width.. If its not at least 3.5" in diameter, that would kill it all by itself..
As for the cooling, they claim 35% cooling, which stacks up pretty well against traditional aftercoolers.. Take the rms unit... Take an 80 degree day.. Cruise IATs w/o cooling would run 180 degrees. The aftercooler will give you an iat of about 115 degrees. To compare, take 180 degrees and multiply by 65% (representing 35% cooling), and you get 117 degrees, so thats a tradeoff in effectiveness, if the specs were accurate.
I couldnt tell, but is this system triggered with a hobbs type switch like Water injection, or, is the cooling running all the time, like with an aftercooler?
And, like angelo said, how often do you need to refil.. If its run off a hobbs switch, and needs alot of refilling, it doesnt sound much better than a WI system .. Plus, teh WI system has other advantages this doesnt have.
So, it might be an idea that sounds better on paper than in practice.
97m3john
01-07-2006, 05:54 PM
thanks,your right I hate filling bottles or I would of gone with nitrous,I think it's 4' in diameter.
Considering one lap around roadamerica is 4 miles mostly at full throttle I would need ten bottles for 25min. session
paul e
01-07-2006, 06:02 PM
I think it's 4' in diameter.
You do? Look again.. It says 4" in length.. I dont know bout you, but in the pic, to me, it sure looks longer than it does wide, doesnt it?
Ok.. here it is:
"CO2 Cooling Air Intake, Air Intake Tube, 3 in. O.D., Kit "
So, Id think thats a problem also.. OD is 3"; ID must be about 2.75".. Plus youve got that big restriction in the middle of it. That kind of kills it for our 3.5" Diameter setups.
Brian@POG
01-07-2006, 07:57 PM
We are a DEI Dealer and I use it in my Z06. The air chamber is a tube with a jet engine shaped buld that the air goes over. This system should be used with the fuel chiller and then vented onto a IC or radiator element. It is really not as effective as an aftercooler, more along the lines of a supplement. 3" is 3" and 2.5" is 2.5 etc...
Brian
Check out the link to the video on the bottom of the page (http://www.icsperformance.com/icsz062.htm)
BimmerBoyZ3
01-07-2006, 08:07 PM
Brian, did you notice any gains from this?
Also, I assume that the flow of gasses leaving the car is from this product?