if i dont want to wait for online product(i cant wait) and my stuff is all back at my parents house in chi-town. i need new stuff.:buttrock

it sounds like everyone is is impressed with this product

For me when im on a budget i use Meguier's Gold. Its not anything close to the best, but its not that expensive either. Great when i just need to get the job done with nothing else to worry bout.

wes

cool budget is a keyword i forgot about in the inital post

Well, if budget is an issue, and p21s is what you want...then go down to your local Harley Davidson dealer, and pick up a container of S100. S100 is P21S marketed to Motorcycle owners. IT IS THE EXACT SAME THING as P21S, and it sells for $10 less per container!!!! No Joke!

Furthermore, P21S, in case you haven't tried it, is hands down the best and easiest to use carnauba wax I have ever tried. The shine is second to none. Blows away Zymol...which is a bitch to use also!

Also try Meguiar's #26 Hi-tech Yellow wax in the liquid or paste form. Great stuff and reasonable at about $11 per bottle!

If you want P21S I would order it from A and M Motor Sport. They are in Ohio it will probably take them 1 or 2 days to Chicago then you know you are using good stuff and not off the shelf .
www.aandmmotorsport.com or call them at 419-297-6548. I usually call and make sure everything I need is in inventory and I get it the next day.

Originally posted by Madman
If you want P21S I would order it from A and M Motor Sport. They are in Ohio it will probably take them 1 or 2 days to Chicago then you know you are using good stuff and not off the shelf .
www.aandmmotorsport.com or call them at 419-297-6548. I usually call and make sure everything I need is in inventory and I get it the next day.

Ummm, ok...:confused: And the wax might not have been sitting on their shelves for a long time? :az:

Take my advice, get S100 from a harley dealer. Call P21S and they'll verify what I'm telling you, in case you doubt me... One application of S100, and you'll be loving life!

Maybe I was not clear, what I was trying to say that off the self products were the store bought products like Zymol and Mothers and the others. If he wants P21S and he has to order it then try the web sites. I did not try to imply that it was fresh or new.

Ok as you suggested I just contacted P21S by e-mail at P21SBroimp. and I will Type you their answer:
"Dear Sir,
We do not make any products especially for Harley- Davidson. There are some similarities between our S100 products and our P21S Products, but most of the formulations are different on each line. Still many of the S100 items can be used on automobiles. Hope this answers your questions.
Kind regards
P21S Customer Service."
This will be a matter of choice I myself will stick with P21S. I am conservative by nature and hate to take chances when it comes to my 01 Imola Red M3

Originally posted by Madman
Ok as you suggested I just contacted P21S by e-mail at P21SBroimp. and I will Type you their answer:
"Dear Sir,
We do not make any products especially for Harley- Davidson. There are some similarities between our S100 products and our P21S Products, but most of the formulations are different on each line. Still many of the S100 items can be used on automobiles. Hope this answers your questions.
Kind regards
P21S Customer Service."
This will be a matter of choice I myself will stick with P21S. I am conservative by nature and hate to take chances when it comes to my 01 Imola Red M3

Well then P21S has finally wised up a bit and realized they were losing sales to car owners who were a little slicker than they thought. I know for a FACT it is the exact same thing...and I have numerous friends and serious detailers to vouch for that... But hey, if you wanna blow 10 extra b/c you're conservative...that's cool. Or perhaps your imola 01 deserves better than my cosmos 98 M3. :rolleyes:

Better yet, if you wanna waste the 10 bones, just send me the money.... I'll drop you my address! :clap:

Now isn't this curious madman...and whoever else is interested.... I just emailed P21S myself and asked if the two waxes are the same, and if not, what is the difference exactly?

and here was the reply....
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P21SBroimp@aol.com
09/03/2002 04:40 PM
To: Chris
cc:
Subject: Re: Carnauba's

Dear Chris,
At present, the two waxes are the same formulation.
Kind regards,
P21S Customer Service
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So, as I said initially, the two waxes are identical... Save yourself $10 and buy S100.... Unless you have money to burn!

Well you got one answer and I got another. Now how much is the S100. for the wax ? is it the same size container as the P21S. By the way did not mean to say that I care about my car more than you do I just want to get the best product at the best price.
I pay about 23.80 for the wax

While I am not sold yet on the S100 and the $10.00 is worth still spending I am checking the Carnuba content. I have just been told by Car care Specialities that there is a carnuba content difference and that one is made to ressist gas. I do not know if it is a line of s---, but I will have the answers tomorrow . I will get the MSDS for both products. MSDS (Material Safety Data Sheet).
I will hold my judgement until tomorrow.

Originally posted by Madman
Well you got one answer and I got another. Now how much is the S100. for the wax ? is it the same size container as the P21S. By the way did not mean to say that I care about my car more than you do I just want to get the best product at the best price.
I pay about 23.80 for the wax

While I am not sold yet on the S100 and the $10.00 is worth still spending I am checking the Carnuba content. I have just been told by Car care Specialities that there is a carnuba content difference and that one is made to ressist gas. I do not know if it is a line of s---, but I will have the answers tomorrow . I will get the MSDS for both products. MSDS (Material Safety Data Sheet).
I will hold my judgement until tomorrow.


Of course $10 isn't much...but when you add it up over time, it's pretty significant...and with as much as someone like me spends on detailing supplies, every little bit counts...

I think the difference is how the question was asked... it seems that you asked about S100 products vs. P21S products...hence the answer you got....

"There are some similarities between our S100 products and our P21S Products, but most of the formulations are different on each line. Still many of the S100 items can be used on automobiles"

Notice he says "Most of the formulations are different"...leaving open the idea that some of the formulations are the same....

What I asked SPECIFICALLY was "Is P21S carnauba wax the same as S100 wax?".... The response I got was...

"At present, the two waxes are the same formulation."

Doesn't leave a whole lot of room for interpretation, b/c there is none. It's plain and simple, they ARE the SAME EXACT WAX marketed to different consumers!!!

But again, if you're more comfortable with paying more for the P21S name, you go right ahead.... But that is ALL you are paying more for...is a sticker on the side that says P21S!

:dunno

You still have not shared with us the cost of the S100 am I to assume that because you imply I might save 10 on the wax is that the 6.2oz container of S100 is only 13.80 If that is correct I would love to try it on my daily driver and see. Please let me know what the price of S100 is and thanks for the above info it seems I may have been vague asking the question. You are also saying that the info I got from Car care specialities is nothing but sales BS. Maybe!!!!!

I know you want to know the best store bought wax, BUT, wait and get yourself some blitz wax. That is THE best carnuba wax on the market. It is the most durable and it's shine is only second to pinnacle. BTW, pinnacle will only last 2 weeks, blitz will last 3 months.

Blitz is definately a very good wax. 3 months however is some wishful thinking I think... I used to do my uncle's 911 with blitz about every 2 months and that seemed to be about right (certainly not a big deal). One thing with blitz wax though is that its not the easiest wax to remove, but it goes on quite easily. Personally, I've never tried p21s wax so I can't compare the two, but its definately on my to do list!

The new thing is to apply a synthetic wax/sealant/polish. Such as Klasse, Blackfire, or Zaino, which will all last a very long time. Then to "top" it off with a Carnuba.

This is really big with the pople who like Klasse and they refeer to it as a "topper" almost like toppings on a pizza.

The rationale is the synthetic is going to last you well over half a year. The carnuba will last a long time in of itself. If you forget to reapply after your carnuba is well and gone... So what... If you want a very high gloss then pile on the carnuba, either way win win.

Most people with synthetic waxes will actually apply MUCH more frequently than they need to because it is just a form of mental masturbation... Basically it makes them feel good even if they know the synthetic is on there and it will last much much much much much longer than the time in between their last application. The Carnuba gives them something to do in the free time, and gives the car a little extra luster in between when you should be applying synthetics.

I heard that my Klasse bottle will last me 8 years! Ye God.... I thought it was a wax not a marriage...

So it is more than safe to say if you want a Carnuba and you want a great shine pair up a synthetic with a carnuba and you can't go wrong.

Originally posted by Madman
You still have not shared with us the cost of the S100 am I to assume that because you imply I might save 10 on the wax is that the 6.2oz container of S100 is only 13.80 If that is correct I would love to try it on my daily driver and see. Please let me know what the price of S100 is and thanks for the above info it seems I may have been vague asking the question.


You never really asked.... :dunno

I've purchased it for $14.00 in the past, but have seen it for a little less online!

Another vote for Meguiar's #26, paste or liquid, carnuba wax...

Only downside to Meguiars is their classic chalky build up. Other than that they have nice products.

/// M3ryderNY. You are right. I have just double checked even the MSDS does not show a difference between S100 Carnuba and P21S Carnuba, and so goes for the cleanser. Other items on both product lines seem to differ a bit, but again not the wheel cleaner others do. So I contacted my favorite supplier A and M Motor Sport and they will start carrying it soon.I will order it from them. They informed me that they found a source and you are right it will probably be under 14.00
Thanks for the info and will let you know next week of the results. I am told A and M may have it on their web site as early as tomorrow.check it out www.aandmmotorsport.com . I hope that they will carry the whole line.

What is MSDS?

And you have included the I into your link to A&M Motorsports. (just thought I would warn you)

MSDS is the material safety data sheet. Every chemical product sold in the US must have an MSDS it tells you what is in the product, it also tells you if there is any toxions etc. and you are right I included the I by mistake the address is http://www.aandmmotorsport.com and I see that they have already included the S100 products in . I beleive they must have had them but did not include them on their site before. They claim they have had a lot of requests for it and Klasse

The MSDS would have ingredients listed, but I doubt it would have the exact chemical makeup! With waxes (especially from the same company) they might all contain similar or the exact same ingredients, but I think even the slightest chemical change or the proportions may vastly change the final result.

Either way thank you very much for the information on MSDS. And also fo the information on S100. I am going to look into picking up some (damn I already have over $250 spent on car products alone) at the local chopper shop.... Just got to find one...:biglaughb


Oh ya... Its http://www.aandmmotorsport.com last time you left a period in it.... lol, man who would have thought lightning striking twice...:biglaughb

Thanks for pointing that out . In addition to the MSDS I did check with P21S again asking them specifically about the P21S Carnuba wax and the S100 and the answer was that the are one of the same . The cleaner is slightly different and the rest of the products have some difference in the formulations. But I have placed my order in for the wax and the Detail and wax aerosol. I have also purchased Klasse kit to try that I have heard a bunch about Polymers. I guess I will try it on my wife's ML and see. I will let you know.

Originally posted by Madman
Thanks for pointing that out . In addition to the MSDS I did check with P21S again asking them specifically about the P21S Carnuba wax and the S100 and the answer was that the are one of the same . The cleaner is slightly different and the rest of the products have some difference in the formulations. But I have placed my order in for the wax and the Detail and wax aerosol. I have also purchased Klasse kit to try that I have heard a bunch about Polymers. I guess I will try it on my wife's ML and see. I will let you know.

great follow-up madman, I'm glad to see my information was confirmed! :alright Post here how you like the Detail spray they sell, I haven't tried that yet, primarily b/c I LOOOOOOVE griot's Speed Shine. But I'm game to try something different. If it's P21S/S100 it's gotta be good. On the same note...try out their paint cleanser...makes the carnauba work even better. Preps the surface nicely for waxing!

You'll love the ease with which S100 goes on and off...it's amazing. NOTHING comes off easier, honestly. Also, it does NOT in the slightest stain moldings....just wipe it right off! Good luck!

I do use P21S and I am a user of the cleanser. I just ran out and was about to buy a new set when we got into this info sharing. Now I have ordered the cleanser and the wax plus to satisfy the polymer guys that I am open to new things I will try Klasse on my wife's car.
I have used P21S for a long time now and on several of my cars. I guess now It is S100. Thanks again and will let you know tomorrow about the detail and wax aerosol.and Klasse. I am on vacation so I get to wax and test.I guess the prices at A and M are very resonable. I got the wax for 13.65 and the cleaner for 8.50 and the detail and wax areosol for 8.10 . Are those pretty good prices ???

I will also need help from you in telling me how I can post pictures of my finished product. I have a Sony Cybershot 2.1 and will unload my pictures tomorrow on my hard drive. That is all I know form that point forward I will need help. any guidence would be greatl

///M3ryderNY. The stuff came in at 9 this morning and I have had a chance to test the Detail +Wax on the 740 Ti silver well I have to say that it is the best detailer I have used. The 7 was waxed with P21S 4 weeks ago Sunday and this stuff just made it shine all over like I had just finished waxing it. It is easy to put on and buff.
As for S100 I have just finished the hood and the two front fenders on The M3 and I can't tell a difference between it and P21S ( Maybe because they are one of the same) The car looks great. I have to go to the dentist now and when I return I will finish it and start the Klasse on my wife's car.
Will let you all know the results and if someone can tell me how to post pictures I will get some out on the M3 whem I am done.

Madman, great to hear the news. I'll have to get some of that to try out soon.

To post pictures, be sure to hit the red "post reply" button in the bottom right hand corner to reply... Below the text box a few rows, you'll notice a "browse" button and off to the left it says "Attach File" in bold print. Click the browse button and this will open a box which says "choose file". This box will allow you to search your PC's hard drive and locate the file you would like to attach. Only ONE file can be attached at a time.

That's it in a nutshell!

good luck with the rest of your detailing!

Hey Madman, good job.

I love to see you follow though like this very timely and helpful.

Just a quick question though what product are you talking about in this sentence. I did not think it was the P21S so I figure it was either the cleaner, or the S100, but I just want maker sure.

I have had a chance to test the Detail +Wax on the 740 Ti silver well I have to say that it is the best detailer I have used.

As for Klasse, did you get the All in One? I have the AIO and the Sealant Glaze. It is good stuff, but the sealant glaze is a little hard to buff off if applied too thick. The best part about All In One though is its many uses. You can apply it to pretty much everything. From boats, to fiberglass, plastic, airplanes, even to CD's! My advice though is (even though they say nickle size drop on the applicator pad) apply the AIO across the entire surface of the applicator pad. Just do it very thinly in a zig sag pattern across the surface. Do not use more than you would expect to if you had just applied a nickle size drop to the applicator pad, but by having it cover more area it will be easier to apply.

Originally posted by Hyperion


Just a quick question though what product are you talking about in this sentence. I did not think it was the P21S so I figure it was either the cleaner, or the S100, but I just want maker sure.


Hype,

He's referring to S100's Quick Detail Spray... The equivalent's of griot's Speed Shine, or Meg's Final Inspection. That type of thing! I'm gonna grab some, it sounds like it's good stuff!

EDIT: http://www.aandmmotorsport.com/product_detail.cfm?productid=379

Ok back form the dentist and finished the M3 I just took some pictures at the park behind the house. Hopefully they will look ok So here we go

OK now I got to figure out how to resize and start working on the Klasse. As for the question by Hyperion I got the Klasse Concours package which includes the Cleaner/protector and the high gloss sealent plus 2 applicators and an instruction booklet that is very informative for $ 41.00 at A and M. I did check a couple of other sites to compare prices and they were the lowest. I will start the ML now and tell you the results, but guys I am telling you this S100 Detail + wax is worth every penny. I will order some more and put one in each car.

Madman: Sweet car man! It's looking shiiiiiiiiny :cool:

What size bottles came in the kit you bought?

Ohhh you ordered the BIG package... Watch out people big spender...:eek:

I should have done that... I was cheep so I just felt like buying the AIO, but stupid me ended up checking the wrong box on the order form so I got Sealant Glaze instead (it was my fault). So then I had to go and order the All In One seperately....

With the fact I got raped on shipping and I got a free MF applicator, most like the same booklet you got, and a microfiber towel I think I spent just a little more than you did, maybe $7 more.

Hype, the Complete Concours Kit on Klassedirect.com is a different kit than the Concours Kit on A and M.... The one from Klassedirect.com has all sorts of stuff and its about 100 bucks, the one he got is just the AIO and SG... 40 bucks

Ok just finished the ML and it is starting to get cloudy. Looks like rain, pictures will have to wait till tomorrow.But I did learn something new. First The Klasse is nice but not as shiny as the P21S/S100 but I did one extra thing that got my shine level to where I want it. I sprayed the finished product with the S100 Detail+wax it took 5 minuts this stuff is addictive man the car looks like it has a deep luster that I have never seen before. I like both products. Klasse does very well on the Dark Blue ML but it looks 50% better with the S100 Detail+Wax on top.

One thing I did before using either product is washed the cars with P21S Total wash. The stuff just strips all the old wax off and gave me a nice clean base to work with. On regular washes I use the P21S shampoo I like that it is mild yet very effective.

To answer the question about the size of the KLASSE containers, it says they are 16.9 oz each. Try www.aandmmotorsport.com They have a good selection and excellent prices and service.

I am worn out I think I need to go chill out and work on the 7 series tomorrow it is a 97 with lots of miles on it but looks new. I will do a complete detail tomorrow .

Monday I drive it to Purchase NY to find out where my next assignment is I have been pushing for a domestic assignment. The overseas stuff is exciting and pays well but I need time at home.

madman... i'm 20 minutes from purchase... Funny coincidence!

Then you know what comapny I am visiting

I just ordered up a Concours Kit from A and M too... 52 bucks total for what costs 50 on klassedirect.com without shipping :clap:

KYLE K.
Good deal I hope you like it. I am going to a car show tomorrow that A and M is hosting I will make sure to tell Mike( the owner ) to get your stuff out asap.
They have just purchased a MINI and are putting all the HAMANN stuff on it. I think it is and S, I will take some pictures and post them tomorrow.

MadMan, thanks for the help.

Please do post pictures of the MCS... I'm hoping that it's not dark silver... while a really nice color, its SO done with the Hamann stuff...

They are having a preview show of the new cars at the park behind my house. If you are on for the next 20 minutes I will tell you what colors I will just walk on over there.

Sounds good to me... I'm always on :devillook

oh look... I broke 1000... cool :buttrock

Ok just walked back there and looked. It is a blue Mike the owner of A and M says it is an electric blue with the Black roof. It is an S. It looked great Tomorrow they will show some detailing procedures on the car. I told Mike about your order and he called their network It is not in yet but as soon as it gets in they will ship it probably on Monday. I would suggest you follow up with a phone call to them usually when you do that they throw in a gift.
Call them Monday their # is on their web it is 419-297-6548. They are very nice people and Mike is top notch. talk to him and tell him madman sent you and you are sure to get a hat or a shirt.
I will take pictures tomorrow and post.

Cool... Electric blue looks sweet with a color matched roof or black roof... with the white roof its pretty ugly though.

Thanks for the advice and the #. Anything specific I should ask for/say when I call? (sorry... I'm dumb :az: )

Ask for Mike and tell him Madman sent you and tell him what you think of their web site and if there is anything you would like to see them carry . He is very nice .You'll be ok.

The roof is Black and I will spend the time taking some pictures this afternoon.

I picked up a 10.5 ounce tin of 3M Perfect-It Show Car Wax for $18.47. Car Care Online highly recommends this wax. I was shocked when I opened the tin: inside was a solid disc of wax. Evidently they are serious about providing "pure" carnuba as there are little to no solvents in this can.

The proper way to apply such a hard wax, according to carcareonline.com is to literally use your bare hand, as the body heat will soften the hardened wax.

I haven't used the wax yet, since its rained every day here since I bought my car last weekend, but I'll get some pics up when I finish it.

Originally posted by ///M3ryder NY
Well, if budget is an issue, and p21s is what you want...then go down to your local Harley Davidson dealer, and pick up a container of S100. S100 is P21S marketed to Motorcycle owners. IT IS THE EXACT SAME THING as P21S, and it sells for $10 less per container!!!! No Joke!

Furthermore, P21S, in case you haven't tried it, is hands down the best and easiest to use carnauba wax I have ever tried. The shine is second to none. Blows away Zymol...which is a bitch to use also!

Also try Meguiar's #26 Hi-tech Yellow wax in the liquid or paste form. Great stuff and reasonable at about $11 per bottle!

How does p21s compare to Blitz? Have you Zaino'ed yet?

:dunno

Originally posted by Madman

One thing I did before using either product is washed the cars with P21S Total wash. The stuff just strips all the old wax off and gave me a nice clean base to work with. On regular washes I use the P21S shampoo I like that it is mild yet very effective.



Madman: did you need to clay the car bf putting the Klasse on?

Is that part of the directions?

Cheers,
Drew:dunno

I am about to drive out but thought I should answer the two above questions. As for Ziano a lot of people say it is great. I have seen an M3 IMOLA RED with Ziano and we parked next to one another at the show. I like the shine and the owner of the other M3 admitted that the P21S shine was a lot deeper than his. Ziano is a polymer so it will not shine like a Carnuba, On the other hand P21S is German and made by the people who work with BMW on their finishes, so for the past 19 years they have worked with BMW and MERCEDES and others.
Ziano may be great I do not know I just like to stick to names like P21S and KLASSE they are German and have worked with the manufacturers for years.

As for the second question I used P21S TOTAL AUTO WASH before the KLASSE and after applying the 2 systems of KlASEE I added the S100 DETAILER+WAX spray to give it a deeper luster which it does.
I hope this answers your questions. I got to drive to my meeting and will be back tomorrow and will post some pictures from the show that I went to Saturday.
GOOD LUCK

Sweet... I just called Mike at A & M and he told me that by the end of next month they should have some new MINI products on the website. Then he told me that he threw in a hat and some other little things into my order :buttrock

Then, he told me some washing and detailing tips, and we talked about the MINI for a minute.... he's a really nice guy and I'd definately recommend A and M.... good stuff :alright

Just got back . I am glad to hear you spoke to Mike. I am sure he will send you some nice stuff.
I will post some pictures tomorrow. I gave my camera to Mike so that he can download some pictures of the show and I will pick it up tomorrow.
Hope all was well. I will get back on later.

Madman

Slowly but surely, I've taken my cars finish to being better and better. When I first got my car the paint was in pretty good shape overall, but nothing great.

I started out by using clay and it picked up most of the microvolcanoes or miniscule "pits", then used meguires swirl remover once, went to zymol cleaner wax (the $12 Target stuff made in Chicago that smells like bananas from Chicago) I used this probably 3 times at intervals of about 1 month apart. I'd wash my car about 2 times a week, and used my share of stuff like Meguires Quick Detailer, Quick wax, and then Meguires Gold. The finish was now majorly upscale of what it used to be, and all in all, pretty presentable.

After reading this post, I realized that I was just kidding myself with the thought of actually purchasing a product like Zaino or Zymol. I used to love Blue Coral Paste Wax that came in a shoe polish size tin, but that was a long time ago, and I remember it was always a difficult, so I was up for the S100 tip.

I went to my local Harley Dealer and bought it for $14.95. I washed my car today, and got the hood and trunk lid done on my lunch hour, waited for my girlfriend to get home and in another half hour got the roof and mirrors done. Waiting for her at the pet shop I finished the front fenders, and 2 door panels, went over to her house and while she was feeding her birds and getting ready, finished the rest of the car. I probably spent 2 hours total getting the most phenomonal shine on any car I've ever owned. It looks totally great...show quality! I'm impressed at how easy it applies and espesially how easy it buffs off with no "wax-dust-flakes" at all. Pretty sure I'll stick with this product for a long time, only problem is I have a nagging urge to get a tattoo now how can that be...

Thanks for the tip guys!,

Hank

Well great I am glad you got the S100. I got mine from A and M Motor sport and then some short time later they took it off their site. From what I understand P21S people do not want car guys using S100 although the wax is identical and the pre wax is somewhat similar the rest of the line has different formulation. But for now If you are only using the cleaner or wax you are doing OK. GOOD LUCK

We should get an extra can or so and keep it in the refridgerator before the wax police find out! What are their other products like the cleaner, and do the have a quick detailer spray or something like that..I think someone mentioned their web site. I'll have to check it out!
Thanks,

Hank

From what I understand is that the wax is identical the cleaner is formulated slightly different but gets almost the same results. One has more expensive stuff in it ( P21S). The wheel cleaners , the shampoo and the total wash are different formulation and I have tested both and you can tell a difference. Then P21S carries more products directed to the car detailer that S100 does not have any because they are focused on bikes. Check out www.aandmmotorsport.com for a complete line of P21S and by the way they are the lowest priced supplier of P21S

Originally posted by ///M3ryder NY
Well, if budget is an issue, and p21s is what you want...then go down to your local Harley Davidson dealer, and pick up a container of S100. S100 is P21S marketed to Motorcycle owners. IT IS THE EXACT SAME THING as P21S, and it sells for $10 less per container!!!! No Joke!

Furthermore, P21S, in case you haven't tried it, is hands down the best and easiest to use carnauba wax I have ever tried. The shine is second to none. Blows away Zymol...which is a bitch to use also!

I just wanted to chime in and tell you guys THANKS!! As the owner of far too many cans/bottles of used-it-once-and-tried- something-else-next-time waxes, I am always skeptical when it comes to buying something I didn't select myself because of the marketing hype on the beatifully designed box on the shelf in front of me:az: And, since I wanted to wax my car this weekend, and because I needed to run an errand on Saturday that took me right by the Harley dealer..well, within 2 miles :) ... I stopped in a got a jar of S100 ($14.59+tax). I am absolutely amazed with this stuff, especially it's ability to totally ignore the rubber moulding and gaskets. I am really impressed, too, that I waxed the entire car in 30 minutes in failing sunlight. I fully expected to find some un-buffed areas, some streaks on the black trim, etc....but found nothing but a beautiful shine. Again, THANKS...it's a pleasure to find something like this after all of these years. And guess what goes into the garbage can tonight.??...all of those other cans and bottles:clap:

Originally posted by 98///M-DROPTOP

I just wanted to chime in and tell you guys THANKS!! As the owner of far too many cans/bottles of used-it-once-and-tried- something-else-next-time waxes, I am always skeptical when it comes to buying something I didn't select myself because of the marketing hype on the beatifully designed box on the shelf in front of me:az: And, since I wanted to wax my car this weekend, and because I needed to run an errand on Saturday that took me right by the Harley dealer..well, within 2 miles :) ... I stopped in a got a jar of S100 ($14.59+tax). I am absolutely amazed with this stuff, especially it's ability to totally ignore the rubber moulding and gaskets. I am really impressed, too, that I waxed the entire car in 30 minutes in failing sunlight. I fully expected to find some un-buffed areas, some streaks on the black trim, etc....but found nothing but a beautiful shine. Again, THANKS...it's a pleasure to find something like this after all of these years. And guess what goes into the garbage can tonight.??...all of those other cans and bottles:clap:


Beautiful...I love hearing about successfully recruiting people over to S100. I too have countless numbers of bottles of stuff used once, twice, etc... And stuff that wasn't very good at all. I've since seen the light with S100, and LOVE it's ease of use, and the results are second to NONE!!! :alright

On a downer note, however, to all you S100 lovers....Apparently P21S has gotten tired of people buying S100 for their cars, over it's twin P21S and has decided to discontinue the S100. This news comes from a pretty reliable source of mine.

Don't fret though, P21S is still available and always will be, just at 10 more per can. I know, it sucks, but it's still a decent price for such a great product!!! I'll continue to buy it.

I'm also planning a trip to my harley dealer to buy an extra can or two of S100. Might as well stock up.

CORRECTION:

I just emailed P21S, and they said they ARE NOT discontinuing S100 carnauba. So, either my source was wrong, or they're not telling just yet. I'd just keep an eye on the situation. I'm still planning to buy an extra can even though I still have 1/2 a can left.

Well your source may be right I have just received the same story form friends who last week herd it from a bike dealer in the area who sells S 100 and I just tried to reconfirm it with A and M who will only say that the P21S has a new policy on S100 but will not elaborate.

Originally posted by Madman
Well your source may be right I have just received the same story form friends who last week herd it from a bike dealer in the area who sells S 100 and I just tried to reconfirm it with A and M who will only say that the P21S has a new policy on S100 but will not elaborate.

Damn! I had a feeling the P21S rep. could be trying to pull on over on me....since it's "not public info" just yet... Oh well, what will be will be. I'm going to buy an extra can or two tomorrow.... I'll just throw it in the fridge for safe keeping. Oh well, so much for cheap P21S... :complain

I'm all for the Klasse.... I finally got around to putting it on this weekend and its great. Easy as heck to put on and take off, and the shine is really sweet after 2 coats of the sealant glaze. And the best part is, if you want the P21 shine you can top it off with that, but the klasse will chill there and protect the paint for 6 months - 1 year!

On a sadder note, my bottle of Klasse All in One came to a sad end right after I finished my car the other day. I'm parked in the middle of our very long driveway blocking the loop at the end (I needed the shade of the tree there). I was keeping the bottle of AIO on the side of the driveway right next to my car. My cousin pulls up behind me and honks as if she needs to get out as if its some big hurry, so I move my car into the gravel off to the side of where I was, and she drives RIGHT OVER my bottle of AIO with her gigundo damn Jeep. Splat, AIO everywhere. I mean, comon, its a big RED bottle on the side of the driveway. There is almost room for 2 cars to drive by and she decides to hug so closely to the one side that she hits my damn bottle of AIO. I really hate it when crap like that happens... but at least I got it on my car first. :)

Sorry for rambling... I'm bored :D

Kyle
Sorry to hear about your loss but at least it is on there.Tell me did A and M send you the free gifts.I got a hat with A and M on it in the mail did you get one? I guess they just sent them out to the customers.Mike told me he will also send you a freebe did he?

Post some pictures here so we can see what your baby looks like.
We traded the ML that is why I did not post pictures of it, but my wife got on 03 E 320 insted that I did with Klasse and a coat of P21S Carnuba on top and it looks great .

Yes, A and M sent me some good stuff. I got a free hat and a free jar of Mothers Billet Metal Polish. On the jar it says "look no further! this product is unconditionally guaranteed to be the best metal polish you have ever used..." and this stuff is seriously amazing. I don't have anything on my car that I can polish with it, but it sure keeps my other stuff shiny as hell :D

You can find pictures of my car at http://www.cardomain.com/id/kylek11

They aren't new but the car hasn't changed too much since I got it.

Well I am glad you liked them because I do not usually like to recommend anyone unless I am 100% sure they will live up to what they say, and A and M does so I am glad. Enjoy your MINI I bet it is tons of fun.