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BimmerDawg

11-28-2005, 08:24 AM

first thing is expectations were NOT high for Tech this year... as they were with the "dawgs" and another dissappointing season for a team that is "supposedly" so awesome...
and the "dawgs" ALMOST lost to tech... which would have been PATHETIC at best...

Are you kidding me? UGA was #15 preseason and picked to finish 3rd in the East. Obviously you have no idea what you're talking about and are simply trying to make excuses as to why Tech lost. IMO, UGA does have a superior team, especially at offense. Both defenses played amazingly, and like I said, it was the team that made the last mistake that lost.

yes i admit tech lost but at the end of the day... Tech has won a national title more recently than georgia....

Woo. 15 years ago. BFD. :rolleyes Oh yeah...I count those losses as losses. I'm sure UGA's had a few violations themselves.

Go Noles! :clap

Jean-Claude

11-28-2005, 08:37 AM

I won't argue with you over it. Until there is proof that every single school cheats it is a waste of time.;)

You're kidding, right?

http://www.google.com/search?q=ncaa+violations&hl=en&lr=&rls=GGLD,GGLD:2004-31,GGLD:en&start=10&sa=N

Just start scrolling though the hits...

The vast majority of NCAA violations are self-reporting...nothing like having the fox guard the henhouse. So, of course many schools choose not to report themselves. That would be the obvious result based on any type of cost/benefit analysis. :confused

M3Bill

11-28-2005, 12:14 PM

I won't argue with you over it. Until there is proof that every single school cheats it is a waste of time.;)

Good, I win! :wave

punknamedjimmy

11-28-2005, 12:17 PM

this weekend helped clemson vastly.

Jean-Claude

11-28-2005, 12:21 PM

Good, I win! :wave

You can think whatever helps you sleep better.;)

M3Bill

11-28-2005, 12:44 PM

You can think whatever helps you sleep better.;)

I typically do... :D

M3Alpine99

11-28-2005, 01:45 PM

Are you kidding me? UGA was #15 preseason and picked to finish 3rd in the East. Obviously you have no idea what you're talking about and are simply trying to make excuses as to why Tech lost. IMO, UGA does have a superior team, especially at offense. Both defenses played amazingly, and like I said, it was the team that made the last mistake that lost.

Woo. 15 years ago. BFD. :rolleyes Oh yeah...I count those losses as losses. I'm sure UGA's had a few violations themselves.

Go Noles! :clap

again... why dont you try and read? no excuse was made... and if you seriously dont think the "dawg" fans all year touting their team is so good... wheres our BCS berth etc then your crazy... just listening to the radio saturday before all the games... and 3 out 3 people said Georgia had a great chance to come out of the SEC when they were talking in the preseason...

and hey... sounds just like id assume you'd say...
woooo 15 years... BFD right... its better than 25 years!!! but that doesnt matter...

and just keep bringing up the noles.... i.... dont.... care.... its just a game... not a big deal but im sorry but any of the florida teams are ussually FAR better than georgia.... and just 6 years ago Florida state won and theyve been in the game with a chance like 3 out of the last 6... yes the last 3 seasons have been dissappointments... but atleast we dont have a drought...

Ron17

11-28-2005, 01:51 PM

Oh yeah...I count those losses as losses. I'm sure UGA's had a few violations themselves.

Someone with some sense about them.

And we know UGA had some violations, because Quincy was doing lines off the cheerleaders' a$$es at halftime.

Jean-Claude

11-28-2005, 01:56 PM

Someone with some sense about them.

And we know UGA had some violations, because Quincy was doing lines off the cheerleaders' a$$es at halftime.

Snorting the white stuff and not being smart enough to be able to play for a school are two different things in my book.

I wouldn't be surprised if every school has had violations in the past. But, I would not go as far as to say I know for a fact every single school has violations w/o actually knowing.

But, that's just me.
/shrug

Ron17

11-28-2005, 02:08 PM

Snorting the white stuff and not being smart enough to be able to play for a school are two different things in my book.

I wouldn't be surprised if every school has had violations in the past. But, I would not go as far as to say I know for a fact every single school has violations w/o actually knowing.

But, that's just me.
/shrug

I would contend that illegal narcotics are worse than just being stupid: Drugs are a choice; stupid is a birthright.

Jean-Claude

11-28-2005, 02:11 PM

I would contend that illegal narcotics are worse than just being stupid: Drugs are a choice; stupid is a birthright.

You are correct.
But, drugs that are non-performance enhancing have no effect on the outcome of games. Using players that don't deserve to be there do.

Either way, they are both bad.

M3Bill

11-28-2005, 02:19 PM

Snorting the white stuff and not being smart enough to be able to play for a school are two different things in my book.

I wouldn't be surprised if every school has had violations in the past. But, I would not go as far as to say I know for a fact every single school has violations w/o actually knowing.

But, that's just me.
/shrug

I never said "I know." I said that I "tend to think." That is expressing an opinion as opposed to a fact (an opinion, based in large part, on the historically large number of violations across the NCAA).

VANCE

11-28-2005, 02:25 PM

ill be at teh game

Ron17

11-28-2005, 02:28 PM

The loss?

VANCE

11-28-2005, 02:31 PM

The loss?
whichever
i'll be there:buttrock

M3Bill

11-28-2005, 02:42 PM

You are correct.
But, drugs that are non-performance enhancing have no effect on the outcome of games. Using players that don't deserve to be there do.

Either way, they are both bad.

Players that don't deserve to be there? That would be virtually all football players! For every football player that got a scholarship, I bet I could find 75 applicants who did not get accepted into a school who had far better academic credentials. I think it is safe to say that the concept of "student-athletes" is pretty much a joke.

Jean-Claude

11-28-2005, 03:07 PM

Players that don't deserve to be there? That would be virtually all football players! For every football player that got a scholarship, I bet I could find 75 applicants who did not get accepted into a school who had far better academic credentials. I think it is safe to say that the concept of "student-athletes" is pretty much a joke.

Deserve as in, meet the academic requirment. Not deserve as in there are smarter people out there.

Your prior statement:
so your opinion is based on just what you think and not a facts that state that every single college cheats to get students in ballgames. Sounds like an assumption to me, lol.

BruceWayne

11-28-2005, 04:35 PM

WTF? Check out Lenord Pope's website. I mean the guy is an eduction major and you can tell he's one beer away from being legally declared as a retard. m3bill, what does the law say? Seriously, UGA has so much of an advantage because the "admissions" are relativly lax PLUS UGA has bullshit majors. At Tech everybody is required to take calc- at UGA you don't - and calc/math scares of a lot of recruits. I believe in the Tech way -- these are student athletes and an education should be the focus. How can you be proud of your UGA degree when you have very very dumb people with the exact same piece of paper? Now you may say that Pope will be in the NFL earning millions. Yes you're right. But how many more are there like him at UGA? A lot.

As for probation: we were treated unfairly. The guy who used to be in charge of clearing student athletes was some old guy who did not keep up with the changing requirements. Granted it's a lack of insitutional control but there is somthing to be said for self reporting. Also, as for our in there was some cases of bullshit in that student athletes would be, for example, a bio major and take physics - which wouldn't count towards the degree and thereby making them Ineligible. WHich is a far way away from UGA tests having quetions like "how many points are a 3 pointer worth" on exams for your basketball players (which BTW you are still under probation for). In fact this is the first major NCAA infractions case for Tech in all it's history. Since 1970 you've averaged 1 every 5 YEARS!!!!

BimmerDawg

11-28-2005, 04:58 PM

Seriously, UGA has so much of an advantage because the "admissions" are relativly lax PLUS UGA has bullshit majors.

BS. Since Richt got here in 2001 and began recruiting better players, UGA has had at LEAST four-five top recruits not get accepted into the school because their academic standards weren't good enough. I know Wake has a WR and Arkansas' badass Freshman back were supposed to enroll at UGA but were denied and went to the respective schools.

UGA has bullshit majors? EVERY school does. What about Management at Tech? Don't paint this picture like every athlete at Tech is some genius and every one at UGA is dumb as a brick...I can assure you that there a lots of players at Tech who are complete idiots, just like at UGA. Just like there are a lot of guys taking real classes at UGA...I had a lot of players in my upper-level Marketing and Accounting classes when I was there.

Don't make excuses that UGA has better talent simply because it's easier to get into...that's pretty lame. Just accept the fact that you lost. I didn't make any excuses when we lost to Auburn...

How can you be proud of your UGA degree when you have very very dumb people with the exact same piece of paper? Now you may say that Pope will be in the NFL earning millions. Yes you're right. But how many more are there like him at UGA? A lot.

Jesus, you are so jaded. Please wake up...just because you spent your four years not enjoying life and we did, don't take it out on us. I am very proud of my degree because I know that I took much harder classes than most of the football players and busted my ass doing so, just like athletes at Tech didn't take a lot of the ME or AE classes like you did.

So please, step down from your high horse...

M3Bill

11-28-2005, 04:58 PM

...these are student athletes and an education should be the focus.

That is the bottom line.

These people (athletes) should be in college to get a substantive education. Athletic programs should merely exist as a tangential pastime. Instead, they have become a giant out-of-control animal.

Solution: remove college football and basketball from college and establish minor leagues where these folks can be payed for their entertainment value. That way we can skip the whole "going to class" charade.

For those students who also want to play sports, such programs should be made available but minus the whole "scholarship" aspect. Nobody should receive a free ride because they can sink a three-pointer or run a 4.3 40.

Ron17

11-28-2005, 05:28 PM

That is the bottom line.

These people (athletes) should be in college to get a substantive education. Athletic programs should merely exist as a tangential pastime. Instead, they have become a giant out-of-control animal.

Solution: remove college football and basketball from college and establish minor leagues where these folks can be payed for their entertainment value. That way we can skip the whole "going to class" charade.

For those students who also want to play sports, such programs should be made available but minus the whole "scholarship" aspect. Nobody should receive a free ride because they can sink a three-pointer or run a 4.3 40.

I've been onboard with most of what you've said thus far, but I don't agree with this at all. I don't think that mental prowess should be the only way to earn a ride to college. There is value on physical prowess that I think should be rewarded. These athletes can do things most of us cannot and I see no problem with providing a scholarship for that. College sports have afforded many people an opportunity to build a better life that they never would've otherwise had. Many student-athletes take this very seriously and earn a degree based on their hard work outside the class along with the hard work inside of it.

I see the problems that you refer to with the charade of student-athletes, but I think the problem is mostly isolated to the D-I level of football, basketball and baseball, where the lure of professional contracts and millions of dollars remove the motivation to actually attend classes. However, at the lower levels, most people realize they are not going to make the pros and they actually receive an education through scholarship.

I like the idea of college sports and I would lobby strongly for the continuation of them as they stand right now. To discontinue them in favor of minor leagues would be an absolute shame. Do I think more reform is in order? Yes. I really do believe more needs to be done to assure that these players truly are student-athletes, but to do away with them would be to remove a big part of the entire college experience.

And let's not fool ourselves... college is not JUST about book learning, though some would try to tell you it is. College is about social learning and broadening one's horizons, which is just as important (if not MORE important) than the actual classroom learnings.

BruceWayne

11-28-2005, 06:21 PM

BS. Since Richt got here in 2001 and began recruiting better players, UGA has had at LEAST four-five top recruits not get accepted into the school because their academic standards weren't good enough. I know Wake has a WR and Arkansas' badass Freshman back were supposed to enroll at UGA but were denied and went to the respective schools.
While I don't know exactly who you're talkin about and I don't keep up with GA recruiting I'm fairly certain on one thing: UGA (along with 95% of other NCAA D1 schools) have the NCAA regulated min. SAT (1000?) and GPA (2.0) scores allowable and Tech does not (unless its a special case ie. the program believes the person can succeed academically). I like Richt - he's a standup classy guy. I believe the recruits you were talking about had some other off-field problems that he wouldn't stand for or switched schools based on depth charts.

UGA has bullshit majors? EVERY school does. What about Management at Tech? Don't paint this picture like every athlete at Tech is some genius and every one at UGA is dumb as a brick...I can assure you that there a lots of players at Tech who are complete idiots, just like at UGA. Just like there are a lot of guys taking real classes at UGA...I had a lot of players in my upper-level Marketing and Accounting classes when I was there.

I'm not saying EVERY Tech player is smarter than EVERY UGA player. But on average Yes, it's true. Also I was more focusing on recruiting and yes it's harder to recruit at Tech because you need smarter athelets who have the grades in highschool and who show potential to cut it in a hard institution like Tech. See my note on calculus. And see UGA's Art, Linguistics, Music, Dance, and Drama majors among others: http://irhst40.irp.uga.edu/html/irp/irpk/student/Sirs/majors/index3.html

Anytime you have lax (academic) admission standards mixed with a Dance major you're giong to have a recruiting field day. Plus the girls help too.

Don't make excuses that UGA has better talent simply because it's easier to get into...that's pretty lame. Just accept the fact that you lost. I didn't make any excuses when we lost to Auburn...

Definately not making excuses. I could say somthing about how SEC refs called a GT pass completion back AFTER the play was over to review the previsous play or how they missed a key block in the back on a huge UGA punt return. But I wasn't and still am not going there. It's all part of the game in my opinion. It was an old school defensive game; both sides left it all on the field.

Jesus, you are so jaded. Please wake up...just because you spent your four years not enjoying life and we did, don't take it out on us. I am very proud of my degree because I know that I took much harder classes than most of the football players and busted my ass doing so, just like athletes at Tech didn't take a lot of the ME or AE classes like you did.

So please, step down from your high horse...

For the record I never went to Tech. I was an Emory grad (2003). And I had a blast while busting my ass every year I was there. Now go to my orginal post and see where I am saying that you have a recruiting advantage and how I feel about the whole student Athlete bit.

M3Bill

11-28-2005, 06:32 PM

I've been onboard with most of what you've said thus far, but I don't agree with this at all. I don't think that mental prowess should be the only way to earn a ride to college. There is value on physical prowess that I think should be rewarded. These athletes can do things most of us cannot and I see no problem with providing a scholarship for that. College sports have afforded many people an opportunity to build a better life that they never would've otherwise had. Many student-athletes take this very seriously and earn a degree based on their hard work outside the class along with the hard work inside of it.

I see the problems that you refer to with the charade of student-athletes, but I think the problem is mostly isolated to the D-I level of football, basketball and baseball, where the lure of professional contracts and millions of dollars remove the motivation to actually attend classes. However, at the lower levels, most people realize they are not going to make the pros and they actually receive an education through scholarship.

I like the idea of college sports and I would lobby strongly for the continuation of them as they stand right now. To discontinue them in favor of minor leagues would be an absolute shame. Do I think more reform is in order? Yes. I really do believe more needs to be done to assure that these players truly are student-athletes, but to do away with them would be to remove a big part of the entire college experience.

And let's not fool ourselves... college is not JUST about book learning, though some would try to tell you it is. College is about social learning and broadening one's horizons, which is just as important (if not MORE important) than the actual classroom learnings.

I actually think that we are in agreement. College is definitely about more than book learning. However, the educational classes should be the core, and everything else should be in addition to such classes. You simply don't see the student-athlete issue come up in sports like tennis, soccer, etc. Most of those athletes are darn good students, too, at least in my experience. But the commercialization of football and baseball have taken us down a path that has diluted the academic mission of colleges and universities.

I agree that my proposed suggestion was a bit off the wall. I was kidding, for the most part. However, if an individual's sole goal is to advance to the professional leagues, why not simply pay them to play sports in a minor league? If all they are doing is majoring in basket weaving anyway, what will be lost? Instead of getting a scholarship worth 60k or whatever, give them a salary and don't make them waste their time sitting in a classroom.

BruceWayne

11-28-2005, 06:36 PM

I actually think that we are in agreement. College is definitely about more than book learning. However, the educational classes should be the core, and everything else should be in addition to such classes. You simply don't see the student-athlete issue come up in sports like tennis, soccer, etc. Most of those athletes are darn good students, too, at least in my experience. But the commercialization of football and baseball have taken us down a path that has diluted the academic mission of colleges and universities.

I agree that my proposed suggestion was a bit off the wall. I was kidding, for the most part. However, if an individual's sole goal is to advance to the professional leagues, why not simpy pay them to play sports in a minor league? If all they are doing is majoring in basket weaving anyway, what will be lost? Instead of getting a scholarship worth 60k or whatever, give them a salary and don't make them waste their time sitting in a classroom.

you're 100% correct & that is what the NBA is moving towards. THis year i believe is hte 1st year that players cannot go straight into the draft from Highschool. What the NBA is trying to do is develope the NBDL (development league) into a minor league type-deal. Pretty smart on theirpart if you ask me. I guess colleges and the NBDL will have to compete for players and that's where we find out who's in it for the money and who's in it for the college experience & education

M3Bill

11-28-2005, 06:56 PM

you're 100% correct & that is what the NBA is moving towards. THis year i believe is hte 1st year that players cannot go straight into the draft from Highschool. What the NBA is trying to do is develope the NBDL (development league) into a minor league type-deal. Pretty smart on theirpart if you ask me. I guess colleges and the NBDL will have to compete for players and that's where we find out who's in it for the money and who's in it for the college experience & education

Well, there you have it... :)

Jean-Claude

11-28-2005, 06:56 PM

lol, I am glad I stepped out to pull a starter off my wifes car and get out of this drawn out conversation.

FL410

11-28-2005, 07:26 PM

I just couldn't resist chiming in to dethrone Bill the grammar/spelling king. In the second paragraph he used "payed" instead of paid. Remember, Bill, one "pays" out line on a ship and can then say he "payed" out the aforementioned line. Players would be "paid" for their entertainment value.

Ah, I feel better now.:redspot

That is the bottom line.

These people (athletes) should be in college to get a substantive education. Athletic programs should merely exist as a tangential pastime. Instead, they have become a giant out-of-control animal.

Solution: remove college football and basketball from college and establish minor leagues where these folks can be payed for their entertainment value. That way we can skip the whole "going to class" charade.

For those students who also want to play sports, such programs should be made available but minus the whole "scholarship" aspect. Nobody should receive a free ride because they can sink a three-pointer or run a 4.3 40.

M3Alpine99

11-28-2005, 07:44 PM

Jesus, you are so jaded. Please wake up...just because you spent your four years not enjoying life and we did, don't take it out on us. I am very proud of my degree because I know that I took much harder classes than most of the football players and busted my ass doing so, just like athletes at Tech didn't take a lot of the ME or AE classes like you did.

So please, step down from your high horse...

hahah thats the funniest thing i have read on the internet ever...

so i guess if u go to tech u cant have any fun...

my friend(redefinedm3 here on the board) pointed out one UGA fans that told me to stop whining...
he was wearing a shirt that said "nice rack" real classy... go dawgs...

M3Bill

11-28-2005, 07:51 PM

DaneA4

11-28-2005, 10:51 PM

so i guess if u go to tech u cant have any fun...

Sooooo not true. I know people that play as hard as they work, if that tells you anything. If you're not having fun, even at Tech, then you don't get it. As in the all-encompassing, life-confirming, proverbial IT.

AtlzDesiKhiladi

11-28-2005, 11:15 PM

14-7......that makes this 5 years

Calm down with the history lesson...noone asked you.

Ali

11-28-2005, 11:57 PM

Management is pretty tough at tech, not the easiest major ever. Plus physics which is a requirement (and physics 2) are the worst classes EVER. Thought i'd throw my 2 pesos in.

BimmerDawg

11-29-2005, 10:22 AM

my friend(redefinedm3 here on the board) pointed out one UGA fans that told me to stop whining...
he was wearing a shirt that said "nice rack" real classy... go dawgs...

Ouch, that one hurts. Please stop with the insults. :(

punknamedjimmy

11-29-2005, 11:36 AM

my friend(redefinedm3 here on the board) pointed out one UGA fans that told me to stop whining...
he was wearing a shirt that said "nice rack" real classy... go dawgs...

this is a good valid point because uga is the only school with fans that have shirts like that.

VANCE

11-29-2005, 11:47 AM

what about Free Shoes University?

Ron17

11-29-2005, 12:11 PM

Plus physics which is a requirement (and physics 2) are the worst classes EVER.

:rofl

Sorry to disagree, Ali, but they are not even close to the worst...

I can think of four classes off the top of my head (from various disciplines) that could reduce a very smart person back to thumb-sucking and diaper-wearing:

Organic Chem
EEmag I
Fluids
Thermo

Matt

11-29-2005, 12:43 PM

DaneA4

11-29-2005, 03:18 PM

Physics isn't a requirement for a MGT degree. Plus it's not that hard. Calc III is like torture compared to Physics I.

MGT is so easy. If you can't get all Bs or better, you should check your pulse, you might be dead.

Matt

That's why I gave up on taking math at Tech. And bio. I don't have the stamina beyond my regular courseload to do any of that. Unless someone were to hold my hand the WHOLE way through, I don't think I could do it. I'm sure it would help if I took pre-calc, but I'm not a math person to begin with.

If MGT were hard, they would have the athletes take something else.

M3Bill

11-29-2005, 04:20 PM

If MGT were hard, they would have the athletes take something else.

QFT!

FAST5

11-29-2005, 06:06 PM

Tech has trolleys. I love the trolleys. Yay for the trolleys. Come ride on the trolleys.

Ali

11-29-2005, 06:12 PM

:rofl

Sorry to disagree, Ali, but they are not even close to the worst...

I can think of four classes off the top of my head (from various disciplines) that could reduce a very smart person back to thumb-sucking and diaper-wearing:

Organic Chem
EEmag I
Fluids
Thermo

meh i'm in organic 2 right now and its not that bad, physics 1 and 2 were hard imo (although I did come out with good grades in them, I had to actually try :( ) i haven't taken thermo or fluids yet.

FAST5

11-29-2005, 06:14 PM

I love twolleys!

///M3Hellrot

11-29-2005, 06:47 PM

I usually don't get into online discussions (read arguments) like this but I thought I'd throw in a couple observations. One, every school has assholes and every school has nice guys. Every school has smart people, every school has dumbasses. I have been to away games at UT, Auburn, Alabama, Jacksonville, and Tech. At every school I have run into very cool, welcoming people and I have run into *ssholes who wanted to fight me because I looked at them.

People in this thread are making vast generalizations. I go to UGA, I like to party, I go out three times a week sometimes, I think I can handle my liquor. That being said, I know some people at Tech that could drink me under the table twice. You're going to find nerds at Tech, and you are going to find nerds at UGA.

The point of a FOOTBALL GAME is to compare FOOTBALL TEAMS. That is all it is a competition of. It isn't a comparison of who has better academics. If you want to see that, go to a debate competition. It isn't a comparison of intelligence or success in the business world. If you want to see that look at requirements to get in and earnings/reputation of graduates. UGA won, for the fifth straight time. We won, we have a better football team. That is what I wanted to see when I went to the game and that is all.

FAST5

11-30-2005, 01:56 AM

M3Alpine99

11-30-2005, 10:10 PM

All teams cheat and its just a matter of when you get caught...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A32362-2004Dec28.html

Excerpt

The Bulldogs, in the first of four years of NCAA probation for recruiting violations, academic fraud and other improprieties committed during former coach Jim Harrick's tenure, have only seven scholarship players, six fewer than the NCAA maximum of 13. Four of the scholarship players are freshmen; the other three are in their second seasons.

so if they do it for basketball then they do it for football... All teams do... some more than others...

DaneA4

11-30-2005, 11:00 PM

All teams cheat and its just a matter of when you get caught...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A32362-2004Dec28.html

Exert...

The Bulldogs, in the first of four years of NCAA probation for recruiting violations, academic fraud and other improprieties committed during former coach Jim Harrick's tenure, have only seven scholarship players, six fewer than the NCAA maximum of 13. Four of the scholarship players are freshmen; the other three are in their second seasons.

so if they do it for basketball then they do it for football... All teams do... some more than others...

"Excerpt" - the noun

"exert" is a verb

M3Alpine99

11-30-2005, 11:03 PM

"Excerpt" - the noun

"exert" is a verb

oh well

edited for official "internet" grammer check

adeelpowers

11-30-2005, 11:25 PM

oh well

edited for official "internet" grammer check
"grammer" is spelled "Grammar"

;)

EDIT - Unless you're talking about Grammer, IN. Speaking of Indiana, Indiana sucks.

M3Bill

11-30-2005, 11:29 PM

Wow...and I thought I was picky!

///M3Hellrot

12-01-2005, 02:04 AM

so if they do it for basketball then they do it for football... All teams do... some more than others...

I'm not saying recruiting isn't slightly tainted at all schools, but you are talking about Jim Harrick. He had a history of cheating at other schools like Rhode Island. There is a reason he doesn't have a job now. The problem was, he happened to win a national championship at UCLA. So we gave him a shot, obviously it didn't work out. I think Richt has a lot more class. Maybe he does some questionable things, maybe he looks the other way when things are going on, but I doubt it is as serious as it is at many other schools. Just b/c our basketball program is F-ed, doesn't mean our football coach is also.