i'll be there. sec 142 row 32 seat 7, stop by and say hi if u guys are there!!

GO STEELERS!!!!!

I'll be at Buffalo Wild Wing's watching the game and praying Maddox kicks ass!






GO STEELER'S!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:buttrock

:rolleyes

It makes me physically ill to say this, but I think the Steelers are going to win 17-10.

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Hopefully I'm wrong and Maddox gets embarassed.

I didn't know Ward was the Steelers punter... :confused

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That was freakin funny!!! When it initially happened....I was like WTF!!!:eek:

What a bad game.....yet exciting towards the end.

I think it is time for Chester Taylor to run the ball more than Jamal.

Fvck the Ratbirds; and I mean that.:mad

Oh, and Fvck Cowher too, that piece of sh*t.

I was there, I was in the Whiting & Turner box seats. Was a big letdown for me and a few people in the box. Damn you Maddox you piece of shit! You probably sucked at selling insurance too!

Fvck Cowher too, that piece of sh*t.

:confused.

:confused.

That's how Maddux looked throughout the whole game yesterday.:D

That game was awesome!

That being said....my god both teams played some of the worst football I've ever seen. I'm honestly shocked it didn't end in a tie.

It's funny how many people say a game sucked when two really good defenses play well. The Steelers have been winning games by runnng the bus, and having a ground control offense, yet the Ravens blew them up all day. The Ravens secondary had them covered so Maddox had nowhere to go. The Ravens offense just sucks. (pretty much always has) Boller will never be anything other than a backup, unless they get a new right side of the offensive line to help protect him. I have never seen as many OLE blocks on the right side. Those guys shouldn't wear pads, but should have a suit of lights and a cape.

I really think it's going to take Jamal a full year to rehab that ankle. But the Raven are never going to say so.

It's funny how many people say a game sucked when two really good defenses play well. The Steelers have been winning games by runnng the bus, and having a ground control offense, yet the Ravens blew them up all day. The Ravens secondary had them covered so Maddox had nowhere to go. The Ravens offense just sucks. (pretty much always has) Boller will never be anything other than a backup, unless they get a new right side of the offensive line to help protect him. I have never seen as many OLE blocks on the right side. Those guys shouldn't wear pads, but should have a suit of lights and a cape.

I really think it's going to take Jamal a full year to rehab that ankle. But the Raven are never going to say so.


The steelers were really backed into a corner with roethlisberger & batch out. It's not hard to stop the run when you know it's coming ... and with ineffective maddox in the game, there's no real danger in setting the run defense run pretty much the entire game. :dunno.

It's funny how many people say a game sucked when two really good defenses play well. The Steelers have been winning games by runnng the bus, and having a ground control offense, yet the Ravens blew them up all day.

You know what, you are totally right. I am just frustrated to see Jamal get the ball only to get it back to the line of scrimmage, or take a loss. This is independent of what team we play. However, you are right. It was a good game in terms of defensive play.

The steelers were really backed into a corner with roethlisberger & batch out. It's not hard to stop the run when you know it's coming ... and with ineffective maddox in the game, there's no real danger in setting the run defense run pretty much the entire game. :dunno.

That is exactly what the Ravens have been facing all year. They all know Boller can't beat them with his arm. Too bad not everybody can have Peyton as QB. That would be interesting...

The steelers were really backed into a corner with roethlisberger & batch out. It's not hard to stop the run when you know it's coming ... and with ineffective maddox in the game, there's no real danger in setting the run defense run pretty much the entire game. :dunno.

I'm a BIG Steelers fan, and I respectfully disagree. Pitt didn't run enough. For whatever reason, Pitt tends to get away from the run later in the season and against good defensive teams - thinking teams are stacking the line of scrimmage and therefore the pass SHOULD be open.

This is BS. Pitt is a running team. Period. Their best win percentage is when they throw 20 or fewer passes per game (which equates with 40+ rushing attempts). Against the Ravens they threw it 31 times! They did the SAME thing when they BARELY eeked-out a win against the Ravens a few weeks ago. They also had this "pass-first" mentality when they had that horrible season with Maddox at the helm a few years ago.

They tried to rely on Maddox to pass their way down the field. Meanwhile, Willie Parker averaged 4 yards a carry (14 carries for 63 yards). While not great, more than good enough to stick with and establish the run. He should have gotten the ball AT LEAST another 10 times, which would have translated into roughly a 100 yard day for him . . . and a win for the Steelers.

I love Bill Cohwer to death and think he's a great coach (his record speaks for itself), but he lacks what is needed to get that team to the next level, much like Andy Reid in Philly.

If Pitt tries to get into a passing shoot-out with Indy on MNF, they will get truly embarassed. If they go back to a grind-it-out smash-mouth type of running attack with 40+ carries, they've got a shot . . .

Sorry for the length . . . had to vent.:D

Hard to run when the opposint team stacks 10 in the box. that's not what Baltimore did exactly, but they should of; tommy still couldn't complete a pass.

I blame Cowher more than anything; everyone know Tommy sucks. He should have pulled him at halftime. Period. Maddox is mentally out of it. He's done. Cowher is pig headed and would rather lose his way, than win.

We win Monday night with Ben, if he plays.

We win Monday night with Ben, if he plays.
I respectfully disagree, the Colts are a juggernaut this year IMO, and I don't think that Ben has shown that much yet.

I blame Cowher more than anything; everyone know Tommy sucks. He should have pulled him at halftime. Period. Maddox is mentally out of it. He's done. Cowher is pig headed and would rather lose his way, than win.


Pulled him and played who? Roethlisberger and batch are both injured...
:confused

I respectfully disagree, the Colts are a juggernaut this year IMO, and I don't think that Ben has shown that much yet.


Yeah... started his career with 15 straight wins, had the highest QB rating in the league until he went in for surgery, and was the last remaing starting QB to throw a pick this year.. not that much at all.
:stickoutt

Yeah... started his career with 15 straight wins, had the highest QB rating in the league until he went in for surgery, and was the last remaing starting QB to throw a pick this year.. not that much at all.
:stickoutt
Look at the rest of the young starters in the league. None of them have near the team that Ben has surrounding them, and they all throw the ball a bit more then 15-20 times a game. When you have a good defense, and running game, any QB can win. Didn't the Ravens prove that a few years back with Dildo?

I'm not saying he is not a good QB, I just do not think he can lead this team alone as many great QB's have had to do in the past to prove their greatness.

Heck my Giants are 7-3 as well, with much less of a defense then the Steelers. Does that men that Eli is the next best thing next to sliced bread already, no. Just my opinion, I'm no Shannon Sharpe or anything:confused

Look at the rest of the young starters in the league. None of them have near the team that Ben has surrounding them, and they all throw the ball a bit more then 15-20 times a game. When you have a good defense, and running game, any QB can win. Didn't the Ravens prove that a few years back with Dildo?

I'm not saying he is not a good QB, I just do not think he can lead this team alone as many great QB's have had to do in the past to prove their greatness.

Heck my Giants are 7-3 as well, with much less of a defense then the Steelers. Does that men that Eli is the next best thing next to sliced bread already, no. Just my opinion, I'm no Shannon Sharpe or anything:confused


Why would he throw the ball more than 20 times per game? He's only lost 3 games since he's been in the NFL.. :dunno.
If it aint broke, don't fix it.

Why would he throw the ball more than 20 times per game? He's only lost 3 games since he's been in the NFL.. :dunno.
If it aint broke, don't fix it.
{Playing devils advocate}

He could be undefeated if he had :dunno

{Playing devils advocate}

He could be undefeated if he had :dunno


... you are shannon sharpe! :eek:

... you are shannon sharpe! :eek:
no, I could never speak that well :stickoutt

... you are shannon sharpe! :eek:

They would not allow this type of commentary.:nono

Look at the rest of the young dooooouches in the league. None of them have near the team that dooooouche Ben has surrounding them, and they all throw the ball a bit more then 15-20 times a game. When you have a good defense, and running game, any fahkin QB can win. Didn't the Ravens prove that a few years back with Dildo?

I'm not saying he is not a good fahkin QB, I just do not think he can lead this fahkin team alone as many great QB's have had to do in the past to prove their greatness.

Heck my Giants are 7-3 as well, with much less of a fahkin defense then the Steelers. Does that mean that dooouche Eli is the next best thing next to sliced bread already, no. Just my opinion, I'm no fahkin Shannon Sharpe or anything:confused

Hard to run when the opposint team stacks 10 in the box.

Apparently not, if a back is averaging 4 yds a carry and on pace for a 100 yard game.

Even if they stack 11 in the box, you keep running it down their throats until the other team proves they can stop it. Coming out and tossing incomplete passes on first down just sets you up for 3rd and long (when they KNOW you have to pass) . . . and a very long day with Maddox at the controls.

I'm not saying he is not a good QB, I just do not think he can lead this team alone as many great QB's have had to do in the past to prove their greatness.


Agreed. Ben was "great" as a rookie because he did not LOSE games ( at least no until the playoffs). But Ben did not WIN games either, and has not really proven that he can do that . . . nor has he really been asked to. He's been blessed with a team that asks less from its QB than any other team in the league. All he has to do is "manage" the offense efficiently, which he does very well.

Anybody notice how Plaxico Buress is now the #1 receiver in the league (stats-wise), with the Giants (and their 2nd year QB)? :devillook

I think Ben will develop into one of the top 5 QB's at some point, but right now he's not there, regardless of his passer rating.

Agreed. Ben was "great" as a rookie because he did not LOSE games ( at least no until the playoffs). But Ben did not WIN games either, and has not really proven that he can do that . . . nor has he really been asked to. He's been blessed with a team that asks less from its QB than any other team in the league. All he has to do is "manage" the offense efficiently, which he does very well.

Anybody notice how Plaxico Buress is now the #1 receiver in the league (stats-wise), with the Giants (and their 2nd year QB)? :devillook

I think Ben will develop into one of the top 5 QB's at some point, but right now he's not there, regardless of his passer rating.
That was exactly my point, thanks Garrett:buttrock

Now if Plaxico would stop dropping balls, maybe Eli's passer rating would be higher. Sorry, us NY fans are NEVER satisfied:mad

Pulled him and played who? Roethlisberger and batch are both injured...
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Randel El. he practiced all week with the first team offense; he would have been better than Maddox.

Agreed. Ben was "great" as a rookie because he did not LOSE games ( at least no until the playoffs). But Ben did not WIN games either, and has not really proven that he can do that . . . nor has he really been asked to. He's been blessed with a team that asks less from its QB than any other team in the league. All he has to do is "manage" the offense efficiently, which he does very well.

Anybody notice how Plaxico Buress is now the #1 receiver in the league (stats-wise), with the Giants (and their 2nd year QB)? :devillook

I think Ben will develop into one of the top 5 QB's at some point, but right now he's not there, regardless of his passer rating.
Understand Ben is a threat to the vertical game, with that, we are able to run the ball, and play "Steelers smashmouth football". Without that, our running game suffers; ie- with Maddox.

So the more out passing game suffers, the more we have to throw. Vicious cycle.

Randel El. he practiced all week with the first team offense; he would have been better than Maddox.

yikes. busting on the chin, then saying you'd rather see a direct snap option offense?

turn in your steeler fan club card.

seriously, if you think maddox looked bad out there, you'd be amazed how bad it would have been with a trick play option guy out there against a defense built for running sideline to sideline.

I don't think he could have even run single read plays out there, let alone multiple read long developing plays.

Understand Ben is a threat to the vertical game, with that, we are able to run the ball, and play "Steelers smashmouth football". Without that, our running game suffers; ie- with Maddox.

So the more out passing game suffers, the more we have to throw. Vicious cycle.

Nah. You have it backwards, I think. The Steelers run REAL REAL well, which sets-up a nice little SHORT passing attack with a lot of "run after the catch" (which is why Ben's completion % is so high and his INT's so low). Not vice versa.

I say again: Willie Parker averaged 4 yds a carry and was on his way to a 100+ yard game had they just fed him the football (4 yds x 3 = first down). So Maddox's inability to complete a pass, and the Raven's stacking the line of scrimmage did not stop the Pitt run game. For some stupid reason, Pitt stopped the Pitt run game.

Randel El. he practiced all week with the first team offense; he would have been better than Maddox.

Randel El can throw the ball in the flea flicker b/c the defense is on the other side of the field chasing the back.. WIth any pressure he'd be no better than maddox.

Understand Ben is a threat to the vertical game, with that, we are able to run the ball, and play "Steelers smashmouth football". Without that, our running game suffers; ie- with Maddox.

So the more out passing game suffers, the more we have to throw. Vicious cycle.


Exactly. With Ben they are a double threat -- without him the passing game beats itself so the defense can concentrate solely on stopping the run.

yikes. busting on the chin, then saying you'd rather see a direct snap option offense?

turn in your steeler fan club card.

seriously, if you think maddox looked bad out there, you'd be amazed how bad it would have been with a trick play option guy out there against a defense built for running sideline to sideline.

I don't think he could have even run single read plays out there, let alone multiple read long developing plays.
did you ever see him play in college? He was more than just a "trick play"guy.

I'm a BIG Steelers fan, and I respectfully disagree. Pitt didn't run enough. For whatever reason, Pitt tends to get away from the run later in the season and against good defensive teams - thinking teams are stacking the line of scrimmage and therefore the pass SHOULD be open.

This is BS. Pitt is a running team. Period. Their best win percentage is when they throw 20 or fewer passes per game (which equates with 40+ rushing attempts). Against the Ravens they threw it 31 times! They did the SAME thing when they BARELY eeked-out a win against the Ravens a few weeks ago. They also had this "pass-first" mentality when they had that horrible season with Maddox at the helm a few years ago.

They tried to rely on Maddox to pass their way down the field. Meanwhile, Willie Parker averaged 4 yards a carry (14 carries for 63 yards). While not great, more than good enough to stick with and establish the run. He should have gotten the ball AT LEAST another 10 times, which would have translated into roughly a 100 yard day for him . . . and a win for the Steelers.

I love Bill Cohwer to death and think he's a great coach (his record speaks for itself), but he lacks what is needed to get that team to the next level, much like Andy Reid in Philly.

If Pitt tries to get into a passing shoot-out with Indy on MNF, they will get truly embarassed. If they go back to a grind-it-out smash-mouth type of running attack with 40+ carries, they've got a shot . . .

Sorry for the length . . . had to vent.:D
I agree 100%

did you ever see him play in college? He was more than just a "trick play"guy.


college and the nfl are two diffeent worlds.

Bottom line: the Steelers should be able to beat the Ravens with ME behind the wheel! Hand it to Willie. Hand it to da Bus. Hand it to Duce. Shuffle pass to Randle el and let him run for 15. Throw a 4 yard pass to Hines and let him run for 25 more. Rinse and repeat. Every once in a while throw in a trick play, bomb, or reverse to keep the defense honest. If Ben is really "feelin-it", let him throw a few 15-20 yard passes . . .

Its just THAT easy. If you look at the games that Pitt wins by a decent margin - that's all they do. Over and over and over . . . They run 70% of the time and Ben throws a few 5 to 15 yard passes and the receivers run after the catch because the defense is stacked on the line of scrimmage.

Its old-fashioned football with a modern twist of a minimal short passing game. Coupled with good defense - it works. But its the run that sets up the short passing. With 2nd and 6, or 3rd and 2, if the defense stacks the line, the short passes are high percentage plays that move the chains and possibly break for big gains. 3rd and 8 requires a REAL pass when the defense is expecting it. Ben MIGHT deliver under those circumstances against a defense like the Ravens'. Maddox likely will not. They converted less than a third of their 3rd downs against the Ravens . . . That will almost always = loss.

You guys are still missing the point. The Ravens defenseive line BLEW UP the Steelers line all day long. I don't really care if Ben had played or not. They got BLOWED UP. :)

You guys are still missing the point. The Ravens defenseive line BLEW UP the Steelers line all day long. I don't really care if Ben had played or not. They got BLOWED UP. :)

And i'll say it again: Willie Parker averaged 4 yds a carry and was on pace to do 100+ had he gotten the ball 25 times like usual. That's far from gettin' BLOWN-UP. To the contrary, that's a good rushing day.

And i'll say it again: Willie Parker averaged 4 yds a carry and was on pace to do 100+ had he gotten the ball 25 times like usual. That's far from gettin' BLOWN-UP. To the contrary, that's a good rushing day.

they made plenty of yards running at suggs, as usual. he's so aggressive, he's 10 feet past the play and ends up chasing the back from behind almost all of the time.

they had a decent rushing day, as usual, but their line was getting abused. It happens. the ravens did it a lot last year too. our offensive line hasn't been good since the year after the superbowl.

as for the delusion that randal el could have just swept in and run the offense at maddox's level, forget it. If he could, he'd be a backup/starter on another team. period. with his athleticism, if he could play a lick of quarterback, he'd be "the future" of a crappy franchise.

Sorry, but I don't think that 18 rushes for 59 yds (3.3 avg, long of 14) for Parker, 2 rushes for the Bus for 0 yds, or 25 rushes for 70 yds for the game as a team, is a good rushing day. The Ravens did to the Steelers what everybody does to the Ravens. Pack the box and dare the qb to beat them.

You guys are still missing the point. The Ravens defenseive line BLEW UP the Steelers line all day long. I don't really care if Ben had played or not. They got BLOWED UP. :)
We had a rookie make his first start ever at left tackle; and our center, Hartings sucked ass.

Sorry, but I don't think that 18 rushes for 59 yds (3.3 avg, long of 14) for Parker, 2 rushes for the Bus for 0 yds, or 25 rushes for 70 yds for the game as a team, is a good rushing day. The Ravens did to the Steelers what everybody does to the Ravens. Pack the box and dare the qb to beat them.

I was looking at the box score from the first game.:rolleyes My bad.:D

But for a tream that usually runs the ball 35-40 times a game, they were still on pace to break 100 yards rushing for the day.

Pitt ran only 21 rushing plays compared to the Raven's 32 rushes (i'm not including QB scrambles). Yet Pitt's average yards per rush was actually BETTER than the Raven's. Pitt threw it 38 times. That's the exact opposite of Pitt's recipe for success.

We're getting whored with all of these penalties. :rolleyes.