what would you rather have...a N/A E36 M3 with about 240 rwhp; stripped down; caged; suspension - kw v3's, UUC sways+trans mounts/common engine bolt ons all done already - no cams; 26,000 miles on the car but it spent 10 years in Japan. Car has been looked over by a great BMW tech and for the most part is trouble free, clean of rust; rolling on black powdercoated factory LTW's; had the right side repainted but the body panels appear to be original so whatever happend wasn't that bad, keyed maybe.

OR

1989 E30 M3; S52 swap with AA S/C est. bhp around 350 - 26,000 miles on motor, Schrick cams, AA aluminum flywheel, Sachs performance clutch, AA trackpipe and dtm exhaust, Bmp strut tower brace, Suspension Technique lower front and rear sway bars, Aluminum control arms w/urethene bushings and sub frame bushings, Brembo BBK 13" rotors w/4 piston calipers, Stainless steel lines, M coupe diff 3.23 and cover, Momo wheel w/sparco torino seats, dinan carbonfiber valvecover from S50, Evo3 C/F front and the evo3 rear spoiler; 18x8.5 front and 18x9.5 siemans wheels, H/R springs and bilstein sport shocks. Don't know how many miles on the body/chassis but it looks clean as can be. Honestly this thing looks super clean. It also has the motorsport cloth interior with the M colors in the seats and door panels...which I think is total sickness!!:buttrock

Thoughts on what both cars should sell for and which one you'd pick please. I will be using the car for both track/cca events and as a daily, but I do have a backup/winter beater. Ride quality means nothing to me and I can do without any amenities. Thanks.

If you are going to daily drive a car you MUST take the one WITHOUT the cage unless you are going to wear your helmet on the street.

So I would take the E30 strickly from a safety standpoint.

Jordan

If you are going to daily drive a car you MUST take the one WITHOUT the cage unless you are going to wear your helmet on the street.

6-point, true.

4-point is not a concern, bars are not near the driver's head. Does wonders for the chassis stiffness.

But pretty much no rear-seat occupants either way.

- Rob

You are clueless as to what you want. Save your bullshit hypotheticals for another forum.

:cheers:

Well Rob it does say caged that is the reson for my response. Yours is correct if it is a 4 point bar. As you said, no rear pasengers with a 4 point too.

My M3 has a 4 point....

Jordan

Well Rob it does say caged that is the reson for my response.

I'm with you on that, the only reason for my clarification was that some people's idea of "caged" is different than others. Hoping to clarify and help the original poster get complete information on the concepts.

- Rob

That's a good question! I think I would prefer the E36 as I don't like FI on a track. The unfortunate part is its use as a DD and that it has a cage.

The E30 is really sweet, but to put that on the track and risk losing an E30 M3 is too much to bear.

If you are going to daily drive a car you MUST take the one WITHOUT the cage unless you are going to wear your helmet on the street.

So I would take the E30 strickly from a safety standpoint.

Jordan

I might point out that this is not a full cage. It's an autopower cage with all options, but no front portion. So it ends behind the front seats.

That's a good question! I think I would prefer the E36 as I don't like FI on a track. The unfortunate part is its use as a DD and that it has a cage.
The E30 is really sweet, but to put that on the track and risk losing an E30 M3 is too much to bear.


The rear seat and cage issue on the street really doesn't matter to me. If the E30 seats weren't so sweet with the M cloth, I'd probably just ditch it to lose the weight. And I hear ya...I'm a little worried about taking something like that E30 to the track. I'm prepared to except the worse if it happens though.

You are clueless as to what you want. Save your bullshit hypotheticals for another forum.
:cheers:


How about you save your bullshit posts for another forum. Thanks for the bump choof.

*bimmersnobs...I can't stand them.*

How about you save your bullshit posts for another forum. Thanks for the bump choof.
*bimmersnobs...I can't stand them.*
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Less post; more lurk.

Thanks, but I track the only race car Motorsport 100% built.
Less post; more lurk.


then why didn't you just say you'd pick the E30 instead of making a rude ass sny comment? This is a forum for people to express their opinions and to gather information from informative people. I need some good advice/opinions and have turned to people (like you I might add) that might know more about the topic at hand and could help me make a wise decision. There was no need to come off the way you did. But luckily, you didn't give me an opinion so my mind won't be fluttered with a wiseass's garbage. If you don't have something positive to contribute, stop wasting space in my inbox.

Thanks, but I track the only race car Motorsport 100% built.
Less post; more lurk.
You havent even had your car a month and the "purist" babble has begun...

Not sure if you have something against the author or not, but if you dont, your comments are unappreciated.


SewickleyBMW, if it were me I would go for the E30 in a heartbeat. Sounds like a really nice car, and as a previous owner of a S/C'd E36 M3, you are going to love how linear the power delivery is. I cant imagine a better setup. On the flip side, be prepared to be antagonized and belittled by the "S14 purists". I just bought my first E30 M3 last month and after divulging my plans of dropping my S50 out of my E30 track rat into the car over on S14.net, lets just say I didnt get a warm welcome. :rolleyes

You havent even had your car a month and the "purist" babble has begun...
Not sure if you have something against the author or not, but if you dont, your comments are unappreciated.
SewickleyBMW, if it were me I would go for the E30 in a heartbeat. Sounds like a really nice car, and as a previous owner of a S/C'd E36 M3, you are going to love how linear the power delivery is. I cant imagine a better setup. On the flip side, be prepared to be antagonized and belittled by the "S14 purists". I just bought my first E30 M3 last month and after divulging my plans of dropping my S50 out of my E30 track rat into the car over on S14.net, lets just say I didnt get a warm welcome. :rolleyes


The S14 is a great motor, hands down. But to get the same power as a s/c s50/52 the cost would at least double. They can say all they want, but they'll be talking to my tail lights.

The S14 is a great motor, hands down. But to get the same power as a s/c s50/52 the cost would at least double. They can say all they want, but they'll be talking to my tail lights.
Amen brother, I want to go this route maybe next year.

You havent even had your car a month and the "purist" babble has begun...
Not sure if you have something against the author or not, but if you dont, your comments are unappreciated.
SewickleyBMW, if it were me I would go for the E30 in a heartbeat. Sounds like a really nice car, and as a previous owner of a S/C'd E36 M3, you are going to love how linear the power delivery is. I cant imagine a better setup. On the flip side, be prepared to be antagonized and belittled by the "S14 purists". I just bought my first E30 M3 last month and after divulging my plans of dropping my S50 out of my E30 track rat into the car over on S14.net, lets just say I didnt get a warm welcome. :rolleyes
Do a search on some of my posts - I've been spitting purist babble for years on this forum.

The S14 is great but it's far too expensive to get to 300bhp+. I'd much rather focus on the car's weight and stoppers.

If I want a true race car rush, I'll go jump in a Rotax or shifter.

well everyone, although the general feeling seems to be go with the E30, I'm leaning toward the E36. The main driving point behind this is that I plan to eventually start racing bmwcca prepared class. I believe the engine swap + s/c on the E30 would push me into modified, which I really don't want to run right off the bat. Also, the E36 is ready to go with the cage and all, so that's a big plus. I would surely pick the E30 if I didn't have plans to track it pretty hard. I don't know what I'd do with myself if I wrecked one of the few remaining legends after doing something stupid on the track. I've got a day or two to decide, so please chime in if my thinking is off here.

the combination of an e30 with a nice inline six is beutiful, its so light, and has so much power at the same time, the combination is a beast, i would pick the e30 also, i was looking at e36 m3's and when i drove my car, it was just perfect, and having a cage just in the back seat, does make the back seats useless, but why would you want people to way down your car anyway

well everyone, although the general feeling seems to be go with the E30, I'm leaning toward the E36. The main driving point behind this is that I plan to eventually start racing bmwcca prepared class. I believe the engine swap + s/c on the E30 would push me into modified, which I really don't want to run right off the bat. Also, the E36 is ready to go with the cage and all, so that's a big plus. I would surely pick the E30 if I didn't have plans to track it pretty hard. I don't know what I'd do with myself if I wrecked one of the few remaining legends after doing something stupid on the track. I've got a day or two to decide, so please chime in if my thinking is off here.
Sounds to me like you don't have any track time yet you are buying a dedicated track car.

Big mistake if you want to properly learn how to drive.

Sounds to me like you don't have any track time yet you are buying a dedicated track car.
Big mistake if you want to properly learn how to drive.


Although I don't have much competitive track time, I have spent many hours at DE and open track days. I'm looking to get more serious about it, thus the need for a track car.

Good luck. :)

Good luck. :)


Thanks! :D

Buying the dedicated car for the track is the way to go if that is what you want to do. Easier all around to just have one car to do that and not worry about driving it to the track etc.
BTW, if you pass on the E30, let me know. :-)

Hey, where are you in Sewickley, I use that dealership all the time and work in Moon.

Buying the dedicated car for the track is the way to go if that is what you want to do. Easier all around to just have one car to do that and not worry about driving it to the track etc.
BTW, if you pass on the E30, let me know. :-)
Hey, where are you in Sewickley, I use that dealership all the time and work in Moon.

I'm buying the E36 M3 today. :D I work in sales at Sewickley BMW. If you're interested in the E30 let me know and I'll find the link info for you.

Wow, I was in there yesterday picking up some parts from Maudy(sp?). I was talking with Mike, who is in sales as well, for a while. And I clearly don't need to give you any advice on BMW buying being that you work there!! Let me know when you have the E36 at the dealership and I will shoot over. And let me have that link to the E30 if you don't mind.

Thanks,

Dan

E36 cause FI is so un-bmw

E36 cause FI is so un-bmw

E36 cause FI is so un-bmw

and because FI bumps you into a very competitive, and expensive class.;)