DONT RACE IN THE RAIN!! I knew this, yet i was in a jubilant mood, and was feeling a little bit frisky lol. Destination taco bell, plan, make a kill on the way there. It's been very rainy weekend in new york, and tonight was very misty on the island, leaving the roads damp. I was on my way to taco bell with my buddy and his girl in the car, when an old firebird came up from behind me. I stomped on it to 60 and jumped ahead of him, then we met at a light, and i launched, wheels slipping, rear end sliding, the asc light came on, not too smart on my part, but im young hehe. This guy new it was on, we met at the next light, and he "grilled" me with this look like ur going down. I begged to differ, still with an auto tranny, i dropped it into 3 (sport tranny) and waited. Green light, i stomp on it, but because of the slippage had to ease up, i didnt get a steady slipless progress till about 30 mph, but i had about 1/2 a car on him. Speeds increase, my lead increases, and by 70 i had passed the taco bell entrance (s**t) had taken a full car on him, and had to slow down drastically to make the turn to get into the back entrance of taco bell (i was not missing this place i wanted the new nachos bell grande with steak, now!) So i had taken the kill, but almost killed myself. I hit the brakes, and something which is very rare for me to do, i tripped the anti lock, so now im like gliding thru this 90 degree turn at like 30 on wet roads cuz the car wont slow down fast enough thanks to the abs (though if i had initiated a perfect threshold, i probably woulda lost control of the car due to the wet roads), so im like oh f***. I take it wide, thankfully there was room to do that, and perfectly positioned myself in the road, then made a quick right into taco bell, and got my celebration food lol. Meanwhile my buddy tells me this dude smiled at me, he probably thought i copped out, uhuh i just wanted my taco bell lol. This car handles so much better than i ever woulda thought. And the taste of success is mm beefy lol.

Don't mean to be harsh but.......you sound like a huge knuckle-head :nono for about wrecking your car because you were too lazy to slow it down properly and make a U turn. Cars don't run too well wrapped around a pole.....people don't either.

RWD + Rain = teh mega drift :wow

RWD + Rain = teh mega drift :wow

Oh sh!t man - that's a beauty of an RX7

Gracias...she's going to a new owner next week, and a 96 328i will replace her for the time being, till I save up enough to snag another one and keep the 328i as a DD.

ok enough thread-jacking...back to crazy sideways rain stories!

i need a limited slip...bad, i love to drift into my work, but it snaps back so hard because once im sideways it spins up the inside tire, which takes power from the outside and ends my little drift rather violently...dammit

Don't mean to be harsh but.......you sound like a huge knuckle-head :nono for about wrecking your car because you were too lazy to slow it down properly and make a U turn. Cars don't run too well wrapped around a pole.....people don't either.
You totally misread my post, and to clear up the whole knuckle head thing, dead wrong, one of the smartest kids in my school, and very high common sense level, if you read properly, i tried to slow down properly, but accidentally hit my brakes too hard (which is rare for me) and the anitlock kickd in, preventing me from being able to slow down properly, then i had to take a wide turn, i didnt drift at all. And i didnt wreck my car either. She's sitting in the garage in the exact condition she was before the race, just a little more wet. And now you may say, well why didnt you take ur foot off the brake and try to rebrake. Two answers, at first i thought i wus slipping from the road (i didnt even take the extra second to think hey there's no skid sounds, and it wasn't till after when i realized the abs was activated). And two, there simply wasn't enough time, i was worried about keeping the car on the road, especially with two passengers. So not to be harsh, but the whole wide turn, was very unexpected. Plus it would seem like i did a good job of handling the car due to the conditions, so i dont believe that makes me a knuckle head does it. Come on just read the post before you repost thats all i ask, because ur entire post is innaccurate. There was no laziness involved, i tried to properly slow down the car, for some reason the abs kicked in, i wasnt trying to make a u turn, i was trying to make a regular turn and i didnt wreck my car. So now that i've basically completely reposted my opening post, hopefully i've set a couple of things straight

Don't mean to rant, i just dont want anyone to be confused, plus i dont like mistaken for doing something that i didnt.

By the way, is it possible that i braked properly and there was a small slip so the car kicked in the abs automatically?

You should've just pulled a U turn.

You should've just pulled a U turn.
couldnt lol. Anyone that knows the taco bell on north ocean ave on long island knows the exact area i'm talking about. Plus isnt it easier to make a normal 90 degree turn than a 180 degree u turn? Physics tells me yes. This has gone from a kill story to a rain traction story.

his whole point is that you should have passed Taco Bell and slowed down in a safe responsible manner that would not even merit the ABS to actuate. Especially because there were others in your car. Next, after you've slowed turn around at the next convenient spot and go back safely.

You totally misread my post, and to clear up the whole knuckle head thing, dead wrong, one of the smartest kids in my school, and very high common sense level, if you read properly, i tried to slow down properly, but accidentally hit my brakes too hard (which is rare for me) and the anitlock kickd in, preventing me from being able to slow down properly, then i had to take a wide turn, i didnt drift at all.

You're one of the smartest in your school and yet you are utterly lacking in grammar skills. The part about common sense is comedic. The fact you are trying to race a rwd car in the rain with two passengers displays a total failure of judgement. Besides that, ABS will slow you down faster than if you were to not hit the brakes as hard and be below the threshold. ABS does not cause slipping, it prevents it and means that you are braking to the maximum of your cars ability.
Plus it would seem like i did a good job of handling the car due to the conditions, so i dont believe that makes me a knuckle head does it.

Saving it does not make you one, the other things do.
for some reason the abs kicked in
I feel like putting this in all caps, but it's because otherwise you would have began skidding, which is bad.

You're one of the smartest in your school and yet you are utterly lacking in grammar skills. The part about common sense is comedic. The fact you are trying to race a rwd car in the rain with two passengers displays a total failure of judgement. Besides that, ABS will slow you down faster than if you were to not hit the brakes as hard and be below the threshold. ABS does not cause slipping, it prevents it and means that you are braking to the maximum of your cars ability.

Saving it does not make you one, the other things do.

I feel like putting this in all caps, but it's because otherwise you would have began skidding, which is bad.
i kno what abs is, and about the grammar skills, i dont take the time to use completely perfect grammar on the internet, its pointless, when i type on the internet, i type to get things done, not to perfectly spell or use commas. You dont know me, the whole common sense thing made you laugh? It was a childish mistake, we all learn from out mistakes, therefore i will never race in the rain again. Now granted the abs had not kicked in and i had threshold braked, then i may have skid out, may not, the road wasnt soaking wet, it was damp from a mist (sorry if i didn't make that point clear). Now the whole thing about not wanting to pass taco bell, was a combination of a lot of things. I didn't want to use more gas, i didn;t want to take extra time, and it was semi-poor judgement, and the abs did cause part of the problem. One thing i guess i didnt describe is that i had ample stopping time to make this turn, even in the rain. Now when i had begun to brake, i wasn;t sure if i had kicked in the abs, or if i was slipping, i was too distracted with making sure i had made the turn and protected myself and my passengers.
Bottom line, the story isn't really as bad as it sounds, especially now that i think of it, it just seemed drastic at the moment a little after. I'm 17 years old guys, so i'm going to make some childish mistakes, as i'm sure all of you have when you were my age. This was the first time i had ever done anything like this, and for the outcome, i think i faired pretty well, being as noone got hurt. I learned my lesson and i'll never race in the rain again. We learn from our mistakes. Can you guys stop bashing me now? I feel like i'm on iden insider (flaming is common and aloud on that forum). I'm sorry if there wasn't much clarity to the circumstance in my first post, it was a childish mistake, does that make me a knucklehead cuz i made a mistake? If i had known i was gonna get ripped like this i woulda just posted the kill, i added the rest of the story so you guys could laugh at something stupid and kinda funny, not to get shredded to bits.

And one last thing, don't judge someone that you don't know.

I feel like putting this in all caps, but it's because otherwise you would have began skidding, which is bad.
and btw, i never knew that the car would kick in the abs if it felt itself skidding, i was only aware that the car would do it if i hit the brakes improperly, that's what i had learned in drivers ed, so that's all i knew.

i kno what abs is, and about the grammar skills, i dont take the time to use completely perfect grammar on the internet, its pointless, when i type on the internet, i type to get things done, not to perfectly spell or use commas. You dont know me, the whole common sense thing made you laugh? It was a childish mistake, we all learn from out mistakes, therefore i will never race in the rain again. Now granted the abs had not kicked in and i had threshold braked, then i may have skid out, may not, the road wasnt soaking wet, it was damp from a mist (sorry if i didn't make that point clear). Now the whole thing about not wanting to pass taco bell, was a combination of a lot of things. I didn't want to use more gas, i didn;t want to take extra time, and it was semi-poor judgement, and the abs did cause part of the problem. One thing i guess i didnt describe is that i had ample stopping time to make this turn, even in the rain. Now when i had begun to brake, i wasn;t sure if i had kicked in the abs, or if i was slipping, i was too distracted with making sure i had made the turn and protected myself and my passengers.
Bottom line, the story isn't really as bad as it sounds, especially now that i think of it, it just seemed drastic at the moment a little after. I'm 17 years old guys, so i'm going to make some childish mistakes, as i'm sure all of you have when you were my age. This was the first time i had ever done anything like this, and for the outcome, i think i faired pretty well, being as noone got hurt. I learned my lesson and i'll never race in the rain again. We learn from our mistakes. Can you guys stop bashing me now? I feel like i'm on iden insider (flaming is common and aloud on that forum). I'm sorry if there wasn't much clarity to the circumstance in my first post, it was a childish mistake, does that make me a knucklehead cuz i made a mistake? If i had known i was gonna get ripped like this i woulda just posted the kill, i added the rest of the story so you guys could laugh at something stupid and kinda funny, not to get shredded to bits.

And one last thing, don't judge someone that you don't know.
Look, I don't even think about proper grammar when I'm posting, but yet I pull it off anyways for the most part. It really shouldn't take extra mental power. If anything, you should type using good grammar so that your thoughts are coherent to your audience. I'm not sure if you know what common sense means. I understand you made a mistake and will learn from it. But, if you had common sense, you would have not made in the first place. Oh well, you and your passengers are alive, good, and you've learned, good.

Yes, you are 17, and you will make mistakes, I'm only four years your senior so I understand. But, don't post here and expect people will not make a comment about something they feel was wrong or reckless. I know people who've had friends die from doing things comparable to this post, so it's not like I am out to get you. Good luck and get some thicker skin.

and btw, i never knew that the car would kick in the abs if it felt itself skidding, i was only aware that the car would do it if i hit the brakes improperly, that's what i had learned in drivers ed, so that's all i knew.
ABS comes on whenever the tires begin to lose traction under braking. It rapidly pulses the brakes so that the majority of the stopping power comes as a result of static friction rather than kinetic (the type during a slide) friction. The coefficient of static friction is almost always higher than kinetic so it is very effective. It pulses them much faster than you'd ever do manually. The only reason you could say ABS came on if you were braking "improperly" is if it wasn't an emergency situation. In your case, it was an emergency and it worked properly. That's actually a little scary that driver's ed told you that.

Yeah i know i made a mistake, i just didnt expect it to take over the whole conversation. The whole thing about the grammar, im on aim, a lot, ive been on aim for a very long time, so unless im typing an essay, it's just second nature for me to use a shorthand form of typing. But thanks for understanding, and yeah i will never make that mistake again, but honestly, the whole common sense thing, i do have a lot of common sense, i was just in the mood to race, and what i did was stupid, and i knew it would be, i just totally disregarded everything that i knew could and probably would happen, but hey i'm a teenager we're invincible right? hehe. someone please close this thread its become off topic and is really wasting space.

and for everyone that has posted in this thread. I'VE LEARNED MY LESSON AND IT WILL NOT HAPPEN AGAIN!! A little tough love from the bimmer community lol.

ABS comes on whenever the tires begin to lose traction under braking. It rapidly pulses the brakes so that the majority of the stopping power comes as a result of static friction rather than kinetic (the type during a slide) friction. The coefficient of static friction is almost always higher than kinetic so it is very effective. It pulses them much faster than you'd ever do manually. The only reason you could say ABS came on if you were braking "improperly" is if it wasn't an emergency situation. In your case, it was an emergency and it worked properly. That's actually a little scary that driver's ed told you that.
No i think we've got another misunderstanding lol (oh god another one). I kno exactly what abs does because i've tested mine before (safely not stupidly lol). I was just under the impression that the only way to activate the abs was to hit the brakes too hard (which i don't believe i did, but i'm not 100% sure it happened so fast it's not even clear to me), causing the brakes to lock if you didnt have abs. (that's what they taught at drivers ed, my teacher said that slamming on the brakes locked them or activated the abs). This would then pulse the brakes in a pumping matter, but of course faster than the human foot can pump. The end product is a longer stop, but prevention of the tires skidding. It also allows you to turn, so that you may avoid any danger. However, i was unaware that the abs would kick in if skidding was sensed. Now i know. We learn something every day.

Lets all be friends, lol.:) And i promise i won't ever do this again.

The stopping distance SHOULD be shorter with ABS. One goal is to keep you in control of the car as you mentioned, the other is to stop you more quickly than you would in a slide. I don't like using the phrase braking "too hard". It implies an error, which isn't always the case with ABS. And yea, the only reason ABS acts is if the car senses imminent or current skidding. You don't need to promise anyone anything, it's your life and car.

thanks for the info, and im promising myself never to do that again lol:)

Okay, now to toss my $.03 in.

1. Your original story did not imply you used any sense, and implied total recklessness.

2. I don't care. I'm just about ot turn 21, when I was 17/18 with my first real car, it was a Prelude, adn I did amazingly stupid things. I'm surprised me and some of my passengers are still alive today. No amount of scolding will make you change your driving style, it is something that you will have to change yourself.

3. ABS helps people stop quicker and safer than non ABS.

4. You didn't want to waste the gas by missing the turn, yet you just raced. (shows lack of common sense).

5. Racing in the rain, meh, not smart, but I've done it.

6. Also, please, use proper grammar when posting on here. I started out in irc, we never used decent grammar there. I am always on Aim, but yet I can still post halfway coherent sentences. It isn't that hard, and makes you sound 100x more intelligent.

yeh the whole racing and gas thing, that was senseless, but the whole grammar thing, if you can't already tell, i use a lot of commas. So if that's what you guys are talking about whne you're telling me i use bad grammar then i'm sorry it's just a habbit. But actually i ususally do use proper grammar on here, it's just that sometimes when im angry i type wretchedly. But if you look at 99% of my other posts my grammar is generally correct. Trust me i intend to use proper grammar, sometimes i just don't because when it comes to typing i've created every shotcut possible (including quick correct in word processors) just to make my life easier. So if i have bad grammar on ocassion please forgive me its not on purpose, its just second nature for me to shorthand my typing.

And BTW, my original story was stupid, and lacked all of the detail describing the encounter, that's why I needed to use 3 posts to completely clear everything up, i just didn't wanna make a gigantic first post, so I kinda cut it short, sorry.

yeh the whole racing and gas thing, that was senseless, but the whole grammar thing, if you can't already tell, i use a lot of commas. So if that's what you guys are talking about whne you're telling me i use bad grammar then i'm sorry it's just a habbit. But actually i ususally do use proper grammar on here, it's just that sometimes when im angry i type wretchedly. But if you look at 99% of my other posts my grammar is generally correct. Trust me i intend to use proper grammar, sometimes i just don't because when it comes to typing i've created every shotcut possible (including quick correct in word processors) just to make my life easier. So if i have bad grammar on ocassion please forgive me its not on purpose, its just second nature for me to shorthand my typing.
And BTW, my original story was stupid, and lacked all of the detail describing the encounter, that's why I needed to use 3 posts to completely clear everything up, i just didn't wanna make a gigantic first post, so I kinda cut it short, sorry.
Yes, I do know this. Most of your posts are sensible, thought out, etc. Occassionally shows ignorance. Which isn't a bad thing. Not a stab at all. There is a difference between ignorance and stupidity. (unfortunately I display both :( )

But just to say, like you have come to realize, your first post seemed like you were trying to sound 'ub3r k3wl!11!!' with your drifting in the wet roads, while spanking some old redneck in domestic garbage. (nobody flame, I'm using cliches used on this board before). But as you slowly cleared it up, and all is put together, it was much better. Unfortunately all those posts were in defense, if they were stated from the beginning it would've been much better and not brought on the flaming of other users.

was this in suffolk county?

Yes, I do know this. Most of your posts are sensible, thought out, etc. Occassionally shows ignorance. Which isn't a bad thing. Not a stab at all. There is a difference between ignorance and stupidity. (unfortunately I display both :( )
But just to say, like you have come to realize, your first post seemed like you were trying to sound 'ub3r k3wl!11!!' with your drifting in the wet roads, while spanking some old redneck in domestic garbage. (nobody flame, I'm using cliches used on this board before). But as you slowly cleared it up, and all is put together, it was much better. Unfortunately all those posts were in defense, if they were stated from the beginning it would've been much better and not brought on the flaming of other users.yeah i know exactly what you're saying, but the original the actual intent of my first post was to tell you guys that i had beaten an old firebird (i believe an 89 or 90), and then in an attempt to stop, used bad judgement and accidentally either skidded out, or kicked in the abs. Like i said i'm still not a 100% sure because everything happened so fast. But i'm glad we cleared this up.