Custom Lightweight Billet Stroker Crank... for 3.45L S52 engine
3.800" Stroke
Weight approximately 20lbs less than stock crank

Custom Titanium Lightweight Rods for Stroker Crank... for 3.45L S52 engine
ONLY 372 grams each according to the card. 5.400" length. MUCH LIGHTER than stock!

Crank & Rods available as package deal only! $6500.00 OBO

Custom JE 12:1 pistons for 3.45L S52 engine. $750.00 OBO

Fresh S52 Mod Race Head
New Valves, Springs, Retainers, Guides & Keepers.
Extrude Hone Ported & Polished
$2500.00 OBO

Sunbelt S52 SportCams - Prototype version (require degreeing in)
Less than 2 hours use
$1200.00 OBO



Complete 3.45L S52 Engine with all parts listed above (less headers):
Including Solid Lifters
Custom Aluminum Intake w/Large Throttle Body
Custom Fuel Rail with Adjustable Pressure Regulator & High-Flow Injectors
AEM Engine Management System OR OBDI Bosch OEM Harness, Intake & Computer
New Motorsports Timing Chain
BMP Cutting Ring Headgasket
Oversize Head Stud Kit
$16,000.00 OBO


Euro 3.2L Dual-Pickup Oil Pan w/Oil Pump $1050.00 OBO Reduced Price *** END OIL STARVING NOW! ***

VAC Oil Cooler/Remote Oil Filter adapter plate $500.00 obo

Lightened/Balanced 3.2L S52 crank (10lbs < stock) $1095.00 OBO Reduced Price. *** If you think a lightened flywheel is nice... wait 'til you try this one! ***

US 3.2L Tubular Exhaust Manifolds $200.00 OBO

Red Powder Coated E36M3 Front calipers $400.00 pair
Accusump - New in the box - $275.00

S52 Head...Needs Valve work SOLD THE FIRST ONE... THIS IS ANOTHER ONE $450.00 obo

All priced PLUS FREIGHT from Alcoa, TN 37701

LOTS of new and used go-fast goodies available for S52 now that I have switched to S50B32 in my CMod racecar.

what kind of radiator is it?

Wow thats some some very nice parts:eek:

who made the crank and rods? 3.8" whoa that is LONG!!!


Custom Lightweight Billet Stroker Crank... for 3.45L S52 engine
3.800" Stroke
Weight approximately 20lbs less than stock crank

Custom Titanium Lightweight Rods for Stroker Crank... for 3.45L S52 engine
Weight approximately 150grams each less than stock rods
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what kind of radiator is it?

It is a Behr core that has had Aluminum tanks welded on rather than the plastic stock tanks. I was planning to install it (still new), but I got a factory Euro radiator (another row) when I got the S50B32 engine.

who made the crank and rods? 3.8" whoa that is LONG!!!

Crower.
They quoted 5-6 weeks originally. Then changed to 16 weeks upon receipt of the order. They finally shipped the parts 27 MONTHS after receipt of the order (recently) after I had already put the S50B32 purchase in the works.
The parts are VERY nice. Only issue whatsoever is the fact that the crank will require the use of SAE bolts for the flywheel rather than metric OEM bolts.
Amazing how light they are considering how much longer stroke.
The pistons were designed for the longer stroke to increase dwell time at TDC.
Engineers say this is really trick setup.

pm'd you about the radiator mike.

sounds familiar for custom parts....

Crower.
They quoted 5-6 weeks originally. Then changed to 16 weeks upon receipt of the order. They finally shipped the parts 27 MONTHS after receipt of the order (recently) after I had already put the S50B32 purchase in the works.
The parts are VERY nice. Only issue whatsoever is the fact that the crank will require the use of SAE bolts for the flywheel rather than metric OEM bolts.
Amazing how light they are considering how much longer stroke.
The pistons were designed for the longer stroke to increase dwell time at TDC.
Engineers say this is really trick setup.

sounds familiar for custom parts....

The reps at the PRI show told me no problem. They do custom race work every day. Every phone call for 2 YEARS it will most likely ship next week or the next week for sure. Sort of like Free Beer Tomorrow signs at the local watering hole.
At least when they finally got here they were everything we hoped they would be. Really nice parts.

Marco romani had similar problems building his motor. Pistons and Rods took forever and they always sent the wrong part the first time.


The reps at the PRI show told me no problem. They do custom race work every day. Every phone call for 2 YEARS it will most likely ship next week or the next week for sure. Sort of like Free Beer Tomorrow signs at the local watering hole.
At least when they finally got here they were everything we hoped they would be. Really nice parts.

Was this built for a US spec engine? Any pictures? The reason I ask is because PTG uses a 94 or 96mm crank in the engines they built, but it was my understanding that it won't fit in a US Spec engine. On an S52, the rod big ends come pretty close to the block wall, maybe 3mm. With this crank being +6mm, I am pretty sure it would hit without doing some extensive work. So with that said, I am assuming its for a Euro engine?

With the engine complete, $20,000, how many hours was this ran? Is the price negotiable? Engine built, or is the price assuming it needs to be built? If its going to be built, who is the builder?

Last but not least, the Ti rods? Do you know the manufacture? or did Crower do them? I was quoted I think $980/rod from Crower or Pauter, not sure. I have another source that I can get 300gram Ti rods from, so my question is would it be possible if the engine hasn't been built to substitute those in if I were to ship them? What are the specs on the rods, length, design, exact grams, journals? 150grams less than stock is about 450grams, which isn't to light for a Ti rod, so thats why I am wordering all of these questions.

If you don't know, thats fine...I understand completely, just questions someone who is about to drop $20,000 on an engine would like to know!

Thanks,

Wes

Was this built for a US spec engine? Any pictures? The reason I ask is because PTG uses a 94 or 96mm crank in the engines they built, but it was my understanding that it won't fit in a US Spec engine. On an S52, the rod big ends come pretty close to the block wall, maybe 3mm. With this crank being +6mm, I am pretty sure it would hit without doing some extensive work. So with that said, I am assuming its for a Euro engine?
With the engine complete, $20,000, how many hours was this ran? Is the price negotiable? Engine built, or is the price assuming it needs to be built? If its going to be built, who is the builder?
Last but not least, the Ti rods? Do you know the manufacture? or did Crower do them? I was quoted I think $980/rod from Crower or Pauter, not sure. I have another source that I can get 300gram Ti rods from, so my question is would it be possible if the engine hasn't been built to substitute those in if I were to ship them? What are the specs on the rods, length, design, exact grams, journals? 150grams less than stock is about 450grams, which isn't to light for a Ti rod, so thats why I am wordering all of these questions.
If you don't know, thats fine...I understand completely, just questions someone who is about to drop $20,000 on an engine would like to know!
Thanks,
Wes

Originally a US Spec engine.

Very minor additional machining to block required. I can provide more details privately with deposit.

No pictures at present time.

Engine has not been assembled.
Pro NHRA Engine Builder/Crew Chief for Matt Hartford/SUMMIT Racing Mr. Mylon Keasler / Hitch Race Engines is planned engine builder.
I have also discussed the assembly with Sunbelt Engines for additional $$$$.
Parts could be shipped to builder of your choice at reduced price.

They are Crower rods. 372 grams each according to the card. 5.400" length.
The journal sizes are not typical BMW sizes by design. We chose another size with a wide variety of bearing choices including special (alloy? hardness?) race bearings available in tighter increments than BMW bearing sizes. I can provide details concerning these sizes privately with deposit.

I said lighter than stock by mistake, but I meant lighter than some Pauter rods.

Thanks, passing the info on! ETA on build time? I know several builders in the states are a couple months past due.

Wes

Thanks, passing the info on! ETA on build time? I know several builders in the states are a couple months past due.
Wes

I have taken the pressure off now that I'm situated with my S50B32, but I can get the project back on the front burner when someone is serious. For now, it makes more sense for me to see if it will be parted-out or sell as a complete engine or somewhere in between.

Just curious, what kind of power does something like this put out. Also do you have a dyno sheet?

Just curious, what kind of power does something like this put out. Also do you have a dyno sheet?

The engine has not been built yet.

The custom tuned Aluminum intake & throttlebody, and AEM were used on an 11:1 3.2L US engine with solid lifters and smaller cams in 2004 that produced in excess of 300 rwhp for an incredibly wide rpm range up to 8500rpm.

At 12:1, with the additional displacement, greatly reduced rotating mass, tricked-out head, Sunbelt cams, and some dyno tuning to dial it all in, this engine should make serious power!

Wow. Bump for some awesome parts. Someone needs to buy this.

Wow. Bump for some awesome parts. Someone needs to buy this.

These are absolute top quality custom goodies priced right as completely assembled engine, complete list readly for assembly, or individually. My wife says these goodies have to go to a new home soon now that I've made the switch to euro engine format.

These are absolute top quality custom goodies priced right as completely assembled engine, complete list readly for assembly, or individually. My wife says these goodies have to go to a new home soon now that I've made the switch to euro engine format.Hello, a fellow S50 B32 owner here. :)

Why did you switch??

With so many members here constantly stating that there's no point in spending the $ on a euro motor since there are so many power options for the US motor, I'm interested to know why you switched.

Hello, a fellow S50 B32 owner here. :)
Why did you switch??
With so many members here constantly stating that there's no point in spending the $ on a euro motor since there are so many power options for the US motor, I'm interested to know why you switched.

Probably because of the knowledge now known on the S50B32s and the type of power levels which can be achieved without spending a fortune. I believe Mike is running a similar setup to Alex Lipowich and is making some great power. It seemed like it at the Glen atleast..

Probably because of the knowledge now known on the S50B32s and the type of power levels which can be achieved without spending a fortune. I believe Mike is running a similar setup to Alex Lipowich and is making some great power. It seemed like it at the Glen atleast..Alex gave me the low-down on his setup over a year ago. Amazing results but, unfortunately for me, far from a street setup. :(

OT - Did you see my thread about the LTW carpet, Jared? If not, do you know if the LTW carpet is any different (ie. lighter) than regular production carpet?

Hello, a fellow S50 B32 owner here. :)
Why did you switch??
With so many members here constantly stating that there's no point in spending the $ on a euro motor since there are so many power options for the US motor, I'm interested to know why you switched.

Proven reliability and reasonable price for performance level. My S50B32 is stock from a breakyard imported by ABL ORIGINAL PARTS (Alex Lipowich) with Schrick cams (installed by Al Valenzo at Patrick BMW in Chicago, IL), carbon airbox, and some custom tuning with the OEM Siemens engine management system (both VANOS still active). It doesn't have the bottom-end grunt that the monster race engine I'm selling should have, but it is ready to go racing right now without having to wait. I've missed too many races and this just seemed like the best bang for the buck to be competitive again.

Probably because of the knowledge now known on the S50B32s and the type of power levels which can be achieved without spending a fortune. I believe Mike is running a similar setup to Alex Lipowich and is making some great power. It seemed like it at the Glen atleast..

Alex hooked me up big-time! He's the man to call if you want the S50B32 goodies. The engine seemed to pull right with the big boys at WGI. Anxious to see what it will do at some tracks I've driven a lot more. Maybe I can keep Watts, Bassen, and David Daniel in sight for a change!

can i see the Red Powder Coated E36M3 Front calipers $400.00 pair

Proven reliability and reasonable price for performance level. My S50B32 is stock from a breakyard imported by ABL ORIGINAL PARTS (Alex Lipowich) with Schrick cams (installed by Al Valenzo at Patrick BMW in Chicago, IL), carbon airbox, and some custom tuning with the OEM Siemens engine management system (both VANOS still active). It doesn't have the bottom-end grunt that the monster race engine I'm selling should have, but it is ready to go racing right now without having to wait. I've missed too many races and this just seemed like the best bang for the buck to be competitive again.Alex is a great guy. He's extremely generous with his tips/info about these motors.

Do you mind telling me where you acquired the custom software for the Schrick cams? I've been searching for someone who can tune the MSS50 for over a year. :(

can i see the Red Powder Coated E36M3 Front calipers $400.00 pair

I don't have photos. They are stock M calipers. Perfectly clean. Now bright red with fresh rebuild. My set is in the display case at Treehouse Racing, so I can't get photos of them with ease.

Alex is a great guy. He's extremely generous with his tips/info about these motors.
Do you mind telling me where you acquired the custom software for the Schrick cams? I've been searching for someone who can tune the MSS50 for over a year. :(

ABL ORIGINAL PARTS!
Alex Lipowich made it happen.

Custom Lightweight Billet Stroker Crank... for 3.45L S52 engine
3.800" Stroke
Weight approximately 20lbs less than stock crank

Custom Titanium Lightweight Rods for Stroker Crank... for 3.45L S52 engine
Weight approximately 150grams each less than stock rods

Crank & Rods available as package deal only! $6500.00 OBO

Custom JE 12:1 pistons for 3.45L S52 engine. $1000.00 OBO

Fresh S52 Mod Race Head
New Valves, Springs, Retainers, Guides & Keepers.
Extrude Hone Ported & Polished
$2500.00 OBO

Sunbelt S52 SportCams - Prototype version (require degreeing in)
Less than 2 hours use
$1200.00 OBO

Euro Headers $1000.00 OBO

Complete 3.45L S52 Engine with all parts listed above (less headers):
Including Solid Lifters
Custom Aluminum Intake w/Large Throttle Body
Custom Fuel Rail with Adjustable Pressure Regulator & High-Flow Injectors
AEM Engine Management System OR OBDI Bosch OEM Harness, Intake & Computer
VAC Oil-Cooler adapter plate
New Motorsports Timing Chain
BMP Cutting Ring Headgasket
Oversize Head Stud Kit
$20,000.00 OBO


Euro 3.2L Dual-Pickup Oil Pan w/Oil Pump $1100.00 OBO
US 3.2L Tubular Exhaust Manifolds $200.00 OBO
Lightweight E36 M3 Two-Piece Rotors (8lbs < stock) $400.00 pair
Red Powder Coated E36M3 Front calipers $400.00 pair
Accusump - New in the box - $275.00
All Aluminum E36M3 Radiator (no plastic) NEW IN BOX $380.00
Lightened/Balanced 3.2L S52 crank (10lbs < stock) $1425.00 OBO
S52 Head...Needs Valve work $400.00 OBO

All priced PLUS FREIGHT from Alcoa, TN 37701

LOTS of new and used go-fast goodies available for S52 now that I have switched to S50B32 in my CMod racecar.


The Boss says they've gotta go! I just lowered the prices on several of the items. I can deliver to NHIS next weekend!

I pm'd you about the s52 head.

whats the dealio-yo?

-Addis

I pm'd you about the s52 head.
whats the dealio-yo?
-Addis

I'm sorry for the delay while I was travelling to and from NHIS BMW CCA Club Race.

The stock head has been sold and shipped (list now edited).

The tricked-out head is still available, however I have been receiving some interest in the entire engine package in the $15-17k range (asking $20k obo). If you are interested in that head, it will have to wait to see what happens with the complete engine.

Still some great parts available!

Used e36 Advanced Design Double Adjustable shocks available soon!

Do you have the stock S52 Cams sitting around?

Do you have the stock S52 Cams sitting around?

I have a set or two around here somewhere. I know I have one set in my convertible for the right price I'll keep the Sunbelts and sell them!

Well I am looking for same S52 Cams with very little to no scoring.

that is a great list of parts man, i cant imagine how that thing screams....
good luck with the sale

that is a great list of parts man, i cant imagine how that thing screams....
good luck with the sale

The parts listed are not in use with my racecar. These are spares from when I was using an S52 powerplant instead of the S50B32 engine I'm using now. But, you are right...it is a great list of parts to build a screamer!

So do you have a set of S52 cams laying around?

[QUOTE=bimmerboy328i]So do you have a set of S52 cams laying around?[/QUOTE

I'll do some checking at the shop tomorrow and speak with my local mechanic about putting the Sunbelt cams in my convertible if I don't find a set already removed. I should know more on Tuesday.

I pm'd you about the race head

Mike pm'd you about the radiator -- and would be interested in the ADD's.

I pm'd you about the race head

There is no pm from you in my box???

i just shot you another PM.

I'm sorry for the delay while I was travelling to and from NHIS BMW CCA Club Race.

The stock head has been sold and shipped (list now edited).

The tricked-out head is still available, however I have been receiving some interest in the entire engine package in the $15-17k range (asking $20k obo). If you are interested in that head, it will have to wait to see what happens with the complete engine.

Still some great parts available!

Used e36 Advanced Design Double Adjustable shocks available soon!

Some activity on the crank and rods for 3.4L, but no money yet. 3 folks asking questions about the race head. I do have a set of S52 cams. LOTS of interest in the used e36 AD DA shocks coming soon! Rad has had some nibbles. I need to move these goodies soon!

Some activity on the crank and rods for 3.4L, but no money yet. 3 folks asking questions about the race head. I do have a set of S52 cams. LOTS of interest in the used e36 AD DA shocks coming soon! Rad has had some nibbles. I need to move these goodies soon!

Race head heating up.
Stock head is gone.
Still have the rad.

These parts need a new home for the off-season.
Can deliver to Roebling

Custom Lightweight Billet Stroker Crank... for 3.45L S52 engine
3.800" Stroke
Weight approximately 20lbs less than stock crank

Custom Titanium Lightweight Rods for Stroker Crank... for 3.45L S52 engine
372 grams each according to the card. 5.400" length. LONGER and MUCH LIGHTER than stock!

Crank & Rods available as package deal only! $6500.00 OBO

Custom JE 12:1 pistons for 3.45L S52 engine. $1000.00 OBO

Fresh S52 Mod Race Head
New Valves, Springs, Retainers, Guides & Keepers.
Extrude Hone Ported & Polished
$2500.00 OBO

Sunbelt S52 SportCams - Prototype version (require degreeing in)
Less than 2 hours use
$1200.00 OBO

Euro Headers $1000.00 OBO


Complete 3.45L S52 Engine with all parts listed above (less headers):
Including Solid Lifters
Custom Aluminum Intake w/Large Throttle Body
Custom Fuel Rail with Adjustable Pressure Regulator & High-Flow Injectors
AEM Engine Management System OR OBDI Bosch OEM Harness, Intake & Computer
New Motorsports Timing Chain
BMP Cutting Ring Headgasket
Oversize Head Stud Kit
$17,000.00 OBO


Euro 3.2L Dual-Pickup Oil Pan w/Oil Pump $1050.00 OBO Reduced Price *** END OIL STARVING NOW! ***

VAC Oil Cooler/Remote Oil Filter adapter plate $500.00 obo

US 3.2L Tubular Exhaust Manifolds $200.00 OBO
Lightweight E36 M3 Two-Piece Rotors (8lbs < stock EACH!) $400.00 pair ***AWESOME UPGRADE ***
Red Powder Coated E36M3 Front calipers $400.00 pair
Accusump - New in the box - $275.00
All Aluminum E36M3 Radiator (no plastic) NEW IN BOX $380.00 *** Don't RISK blowing a plastic tank at the track ***
Lightened/Balanced 3.2L S52 crank (10lbs < stock) $1095.00 OBO Reduced Price. *** If you think a lightened flywheel is nice... wait 'til you try this one! ***
S52 Head...Needs Valve work ANOTHER ONE $450.00 obo

All priced PLUS FREIGHT from Alcoa, TN 37701

LOTS of new and used go-fast goodies available for S52 now that I have switched to S50B32 in my CMod racecar.


Dug up another stock S52 head needing valve work.
Garage clean-up continues...
(4) Mini Cooper stock wheels.... $500.00
Used Lexan e30 (non-M3) windshield...with some scratches $300.00
Custom Billet Aluminum e30 Rear Subframe Bushings... New $200.00
Spare e30 widebody rear quarter panels (2.5" wider than stock M3)... New $275.00 each.
New 4' x 8' Alumalite(R) 1/4" Corrigated Aluminum Sheeting $250.00 each

Custom Lightweight Billet Stroker Crank... for 3.45L S52 engine
3.800" Stroke
Weight approximately 20lbs less than stock crank

Custom Titanium Lightweight Rods for Stroker Crank... for 3.45L S52 engine
372 grams each according to the card. 5.400" length. LONGER and MUCH LIGHTER than stock!

Crank & Rods available as package deal only! $6500.00 OBO .... NOW $5800.00

Custom JE 12:1 pistons for 3.45L S52 engine. $1000.00 now $875.00

Fresh S52 Mod Race Head
New Valves, Springs, Retainers, Guides & Keepers.
Extrude Hone Ported & Polished
$2500.00 OBO now $2300.00

Sunbelt S52 SportCams - Prototype version (require degreeing in)
Less than 2 hours use
$1200.00 OBO now $1150.00

Euro Headers *** SOLD ***


Complete 3.45L S52 Engine with all parts listed above (less headers):
Including Solid Lifters
Custom Aluminum Intake w/Large Throttle Body
Custom Fuel Rail with Adjustable Pressure Regulator & High-Flow Injectors
AEM Engine Management System OR OBDI Bosch OEM Harness, Intake & Computer
New Motorsports Timing Chain
BMP Cutting Ring Headgasket
Oversize Head Stud Kit
$17,000.00 OBO now $15,500.00


Euro 3.2L Dual-Pickup Oil Pan w/Oil Pump $1050.00 OBO Reduced Price *** END OIL STARVING NOW! ***

VAC Oil Cooler/Remote Oil Filter adapter plate $500.00 obo

US 3.2L Tubular Exhaust Manifolds $200.00 OBO
Lightweight E36 M3 Two-Piece Rotors (8lbs < stock EACH!) $400.00 pair ***AWESOME UPGRADE ***
Red Powder Coated E36M3 Front calipers $400.00 pair
Accusump - New in the box - $275.00
All Aluminum E36M3 Radiator (no plastic) NEW IN BOX $380.00 *** Don't RISK blowing a plastic tank at the track ***

Lightened/Balanced 3.2L S52 crank (10lbs < stock) $1095.00 OBO Reduced Price. *** If you think a lightened flywheel is nice... wait 'til you try this one! ***

S52 Head...Needs Valve work ANOTHER ONE $450.00 obo

All priced PLUS FREIGHT from Alcoa, TN 37701

LOTS of new and used go-fast goodies available for S52 now that I have switched to S50B32 in my CMod racecar.

The prices have been updated for the Holidays.

pm sent

pm sent

Waiting on you! :)

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how much for the solid lifters

from what company you purchase the cylinder head and is the spring dual, one more thing if the cylinder head is from VACmotorsports what stage is, thanks

from what company you purchase the cylinder head and is the spring dual, one more thing if the cylinder head is from VACmotorsports what stage is, thanks

Purchased from a BMW salvage yard in low mileage stock form.
Single, aftermarket high-performance valve springs.
Custom work done by a highly successful local Pro race shop.

Will that dual pickup oil pump and oil pan fit the S50 Block?

Will that dual pickup oil pump and oil pan fit the S50 Block?

Yes. It is the same pump that was included in the trunk on the Lightweight.

The 2 piece rotors are sold.

Just received them and wow, very very impressive - I can't wait to install them this weekend.

Thanks a ton!!

Custom Lightweight Billet Stroker Crank... for 3.45L S52 engine
3.800" Stroke
Weight approximately 20lbs less than stock crank

Custom Titanium Lightweight Rods for Stroker Crank... for 3.45L S52 engine
ONLY 372 grams each according to the card. 5.400" length. LONGER and MUCH LIGHTER than stock!

Crank & Rods available as package deal only! $6500.00 OBO

Custom JE 12:1 pistons for 3.45L S52 engine. $750.00 OBO

Fresh S52 Mod Race Head
New Valves, Springs, Retainers, Guides & Keepers.
Extrude Hone Ported & Polished
$2500.00 OBO

Sunbelt S52 SportCams - Prototype version (require degreeing in)
Less than 2 hours use
$1200.00 OBO

Euro Headers $1000.00 OBO


Complete 3.45L S52 Engine with all parts listed above (less headers):
Including Solid Lifters
Custom Aluminum Intake w/Large Throttle Body
Custom Fuel Rail with Adjustable Pressure Regulator & High-Flow Injectors
AEM Engine Management System OR OBDI Bosch OEM Harness, Intake & Computer
New Motorsports Timing Chain
BMP Cutting Ring Headgasket
Oversize Head Stud Kit
$17,000.00 OBO


Euro 3.2L Dual-Pickup Oil Pan w/Oil Pump $1050.00 OBO Reduced Price *** END OIL STARVING NOW! ***

VAC Oil Cooler/Remote Oil Filter adapter plate $500.00 obo

Lightened/Balanced 3.2L S52 crank (10lbs < stock) $1095.00 OBO Reduced Price. *** If you think a lightened flywheel is nice... wait 'til you try this one! ***

US 3.2L Tubular Exhaust Manifolds $200.00 OBO
*** SOLD *** Lightweight E36 M3 Two-Piece Rotors (8lbs < stock EACH!) *** SOLD ***
Red Powder Coated E36M3 Front calipers $400.00 pair
Accusump - New in the box - $275.00
All Aluminum E36M3 Radiator (no plastic) NEW IN BOX $380.00 *** Don't RISK blowing a plastic tank at the track ***

S52 Head...Needs Valve work SOLD THE FIRST ONE... THIS IS ANOTHER ONE $450.00 obo

All priced PLUS FREIGHT from Alcoa, TN 37701

LOTS of new and used go-fast goodies available for S52 now that I have switched to S50B32 in my CMod racecar.

Updated the list again today. Top quality stuff. Awesome deals!:)

Custom Lightweight Billet Stroker Crank... for 3.45L S52 engine
3.800" Stroke
Weight approximately 20lbs less than stock crank

Custom Titanium Lightweight Rods for Stroker Crank... for 3.45L S52 engine
ONLY 372 grams each according to the card. 5.400" length. LONGER and MUCH LIGHTER than stock!

Crank & Rods available as package deal only! $6500.00 OBO

Custom JE 12:1 pistons for 3.45L S52 engine. $750.00 OBO

Fresh S52 Mod Race Head
New Valves, Springs, Retainers, Guides & Keepers.
Extrude Hone Ported & Polished
$2500.00 OBO

Sunbelt S52 SportCams - Prototype version (require degreeing in)
Less than 2 hours use
$1200.00 OBO

Euro Headers $1000.00 OBO


Complete 3.45L S52 Engine with all parts listed above (less headers):
Including Solid Lifters
Custom Aluminum Intake w/Large Throttle Body
Custom Fuel Rail with Adjustable Pressure Regulator & High-Flow Injectors
AEM Engine Management System OR OBDI Bosch OEM Harness, Intake & Computer
New Motorsports Timing Chain
BMP Cutting Ring Headgasket
Oversize Head Stud Kit
$17,000.00 OBO


Euro 3.2L Dual-Pickup Oil Pan w/Oil Pump $1050.00 OBO Reduced Price *** END OIL STARVING NOW! ***

VAC Oil Cooler/Remote Oil Filter adapter plate $500.00 obo

Lightened/Balanced 3.2L S52 crank (10lbs < stock) $1095.00 OBO Reduced Price. *** If you think a lightened flywheel is nice... wait 'til you try this one! ***

US 3.2L Tubular Exhaust Manifolds $200.00 OBO
*** SOLD *** Lightweight E36 M3 Two-Piece Rotors (8lbs < stock EACH!) *** SOLD ***
Red Powder Coated E36M3 Front calipers $400.00 pair
Accusump - New in the box - $275.00
All Aluminum E36M3 Radiator (no plastic) NEW IN BOX $380.00 *** Don't RISK blowing a plastic tank at the track ***

S52 Head...Needs Valve work SOLD THE FIRST ONE... THIS IS ANOTHER ONE $450.00 obo

All priced PLUS FREIGHT from Alcoa, TN 37701

LOTS of new and used go-fast goodies available for S52 now that I have switched to S50B32 in my CMod racecar.


GR8 Deals!:)

Custom Lightweight Billet Stroker Crank... for 3.45L S52 engine
3.800" Stroke
Weight approximately 20lbs less than stock crank

Custom Titanium Lightweight Rods for Stroker Crank... for 3.45L S52 engine
ONLY 372 grams each according to the card. 5.400" length. LONGER and MUCH LIGHTER than stock!

Crank & Rods available as package deal only! $6500.00 OBO

Custom JE 12:1 pistons for 3.45L S52 engine. $750.00 OBO

Fresh S52 Mod Race Head
New Valves, Springs, Retainers, Guides & Keepers.
Extrude Hone Ported & Polished
$2500.00 OBO

Sunbelt S52 SportCams - Prototype version (require degreeing in)
Less than 2 hours use
$1200.00 OBO

Euro Headers $1000.00 OBO


Complete 3.45L S52 Engine with all parts listed above (less headers):
Including Solid Lifters
Custom Aluminum Intake w/Large Throttle Body
Custom Fuel Rail with Adjustable Pressure Regulator & High-Flow Injectors
AEM Engine Management System OR OBDI Bosch OEM Harness, Intake & Computer
New Motorsports Timing Chain
BMP Cutting Ring Headgasket
Oversize Head Stud Kit
$17,000.00 OBO


Euro 3.2L Dual-Pickup Oil Pan w/Oil Pump $1050.00 OBO Reduced Price *** END OIL STARVING NOW! ***

VAC Oil Cooler/Remote Oil Filter adapter plate $500.00 obo

Lightened/Balanced 3.2L S52 crank (10lbs < stock) $1095.00 OBO Reduced Price. *** If you think a lightened flywheel is nice... wait 'til you try this one! ***

US 3.2L Tubular Exhaust Manifolds $200.00 OBO
*** SOLD *** Lightweight E36 M3 Two-Piece Rotors (8lbs < stock EACH!) *** SOLD ***
Red Powder Coated E36M3 Front calipers $400.00 pair
Accusump - New in the box - $275.00
All Aluminum E36M3 Radiator (no plastic) NEW IN BOX $380.00 *** Don't RISK blowing a plastic tank at the track ***

S52 Head...Needs Valve work SOLD THE FIRST ONE... THIS IS ANOTHER ONE $450.00 obo

All priced PLUS FREIGHT from Alcoa, TN 37701

LOTS of new and used go-fast goodies available for S52 now that I have switched to S50B32 in my CMod racecar.


Bump

Can you email (benjiheran AT gmail DOT com) or just post a pic here of the euro 3.2L oil pan and pump?

What brand radioator is this? I am doing a cooling system overhaul and have been thinking about doing the radiator while there. How about $380 shipped to Memphis??

What brand radioator is this? I am doing a cooling system overhaul and have been thinking about doing the radiator while there. How about $380 shipped to Memphis??

You just missed it.
rmm3 bought it shipped today.
Sorry.

Custom Lightweight Billet Stroker Crank... for 3.45L S52 engine
3.800" Stroke
Weight approximately 20lbs less than stock crank

Custom Titanium Lightweight Rods for Stroker Crank... for 3.45L S52 engine
ONLY 372 grams each according to the card. 5.400" length. LONGER and MUCH LIGHTER than stock!

Crank & Rods available as package deal only! $6500.00 OBO

Custom JE 12:1 pistons for 3.45L S52 engine. $750.00 OBO

Fresh S52 Mod Race Head
New Valves, Springs, Retainers, Guides & Keepers.
Extrude Hone Ported & Polished
$2500.00 OBO

Sunbelt S52 SportCams - Prototype version (require degreeing in)
Less than 2 hours use
$1200.00 OBO

Euro Headers $1000.00 OBO


Complete 3.45L S52 Engine with all parts listed above (less headers):
Including Solid Lifters
Custom Aluminum Intake w/Large Throttle Body
Custom Fuel Rail with Adjustable Pressure Regulator & High-Flow Injectors
AEM Engine Management System OR OBDI Bosch OEM Harness, Intake & Computer
New Motorsports Timing Chain
BMP Cutting Ring Headgasket
Oversize Head Stud Kit
$17,000.00 OBO


Euro 3.2L Dual-Pickup Oil Pan w/Oil Pump $1050.00 OBO Reduced Price *** END OIL STARVING NOW! ***

VAC Oil Cooler/Remote Oil Filter adapter plate $500.00 obo

Lightened/Balanced 3.2L S52 crank (10lbs < stock) $1095.00 OBO Reduced Price. *** If you think a lightened flywheel is nice... wait 'til you try this one! ***

US 3.2L Tubular Exhaust Manifolds $200.00 OBO
*** SOLD *** Lightweight E36 M3 Two-Piece Rotors (8lbs < stock EACH!) *** SOLD ***
Red Powder Coated E36M3 Front calipers $400.00 pair
Accusump - New in the box - $275.00
All Aluminum E36M3 Radiator (no plastic) NEW IN BOX *** SOLD ***

S52 Head...Needs Valve work SOLD THE FIRST ONE... THIS IS ANOTHER ONE $450.00 obo

All priced PLUS FREIGHT from Alcoa, TN 37701

LOTS of new and used go-fast goodies available for S52 now that I have switched to S50B32 in my CMod racecar.


Radiator Sold Updated List

Hey thanks anyway,

Hate to have missed it.

Hey thanks anyway,

Hate to have missed it.

Still some gr8 pricing on top quality stuff!

I'm interested in the S52 head, if you still have it. What does it need?

I'm interested in the S52 head, if you still have it. What does it need?

The full race head needs nothing, but is still on "hold" for interested parties buying the entire engine. Willing to consider selling if I don't get a deposit within next few days.

Stock head needs valve job and replacing of some bent exhaust valves. No damage to head. Has not been machined previously, so it can still be used in Prepared class cars since it can stay within factory rebuild spec limits.

The full race head needs nothing, but is still on "hold" for interested parties buying the entire engine. Willing to consider selling if I don't get a deposit within next few days.

Stock head needs valve job and replacing of some bent exhaust valves. No damage to head. Has not been machined previously, so it can still be used in Prepared class cars since it can stay within factory rebuild spec limits.


Everything is now open for individual sale!

I'll take the stock S52 head, PM'd you.

would the s52 lightend crank be able to just be put in a s52 motor or would there be more that would have to be done? can it be run with a supercharger , lightweight flywheel, and underdrive pulleys? i have all. and about how much does a stock crank way? will this make a real big difference? thanks Brian

I might be interested in the crank and rods, but have some questions regarding the sanity of what I'm thinking of doing. I want to build a monster sleeper street car/daily driver (91 octane, stock exhaust). I'm quite comfortable installing bolt-ons, but I haven't worked with internals since I was a teenager (20+ years ago), so excuse me if I show a bit of ignorance.

I was thinking of using the crank and rod set (since I need to have some bottom-end work done anyway) mostly for the increase in displacement and the decrease in weight. Will the rods attach to readily available aftermarket pistons? -- Pistons that will get my compression ratio down enough for pump gas and a supercharger (~8psi)?

Also, assuming proper maintenance, would you expect the crank and rod set to have at least reasonable longevity (100K miles) in this kind of application?

I was thinking of using the crank and rod set (since I need to have some bottom-end work done anyway) mostly for the increase in displacement and the decrease in weight. Will the rods attach to readily available aftermarket pistons? -- Pistons that will get my compression ratio down enough for pump gas and a supercharger (~8psi)?

Also, assuming proper maintenance, would you expect the crank and rod set to have at least reasonable longevity (100K miles) in this kind of application?

Yes. JE and others will supply what you need.
Yes. Lighter and stronger than stock should result in long life assuming proper assembly, use, maintenance, etc.
There is no better setup available for US engines!

OK, as you will see from the above, that was my first post. How do I PM you, or better yet, use the good old phone to call you?

OK, as you will see from the above, that was my first post. How do I PM you, or better yet, use the good old phone to call you?

I don't remember how many posts before you are able to do PMs on this forum.
I live in eastern time zone, so it's getting late, but I'll do my best to respond in a timely manner.

Custom Lightweight Billet Stroker Crank... for 3.45L S52 engine
3.800" Stroke
Weight approximately 20lbs less than stock crank

Custom Titanium Lightweight Rods for Stroker Crank... for 3.45L S52 engine
ONLY 372 grams each according to the card. 5.400" length. MUCH LIGHTER than stock!

Crank & Rods available as package deal only! $6500.00 OBO

Custom JE 12:1 pistons for 3.45L S52 engine. $750.00 OBO

Fresh S52 Mod Race Head
New Valves, Springs, Retainers, Guides & Keepers.
Extrude Hone Ported & Polished
$2500.00 OBO

Sunbelt S52 SportCams - Prototype version (require degreeing in)
Less than 2 hours use
$1200.00 OBO

Euro Headers $1000.00 OBO


Complete 3.45L S52 Engine with all parts listed above (less headers):
Including Solid Lifters
Custom Aluminum Intake w/Large Throttle Body
Custom Fuel Rail with Adjustable Pressure Regulator & High-Flow Injectors
AEM Engine Management System OR OBDI Bosch OEM Harness, Intake & Computer
New Motorsports Timing Chain
BMP Cutting Ring Headgasket
Oversize Head Stud Kit
$17,000.00 OBO


Euro 3.2L Dual-Pickup Oil Pan w/Oil Pump $1050.00 OBO Reduced Price *** END OIL STARVING NOW! ***

VAC Oil Cooler/Remote Oil Filter adapter plate $500.00 obo

Lightened/Balanced 3.2L S52 crank (10lbs < stock) $1095.00 OBO Reduced Price. *** If you think a lightened flywheel is nice... wait 'til you try this one! ***

US 3.2L Tubular Exhaust Manifolds $200.00 OBO
*** SOLD *** Lightweight E36 M3 Two-Piece Rotors (8lbs < stock EACH!) *** SOLD ***
Red Powder Coated E36M3 Front calipers $400.00 pair
Accusump - New in the box - $275.00
All Aluminum E36M3 Radiator (no plastic) NEW IN BOX *** SOLD ***

S52 Head...Needs Valve work SOLD THE FIRST ONE... THIS IS ANOTHER ONE $450.00 obo

All priced PLUS FREIGHT from Alcoa, TN 37701

LOTS of new and used go-fast goodies available for S52 now that I have switched to S50B32 in my CMod racecar.


The JE pistons listed may be capable of being machined for lower compression applications.

Custom Lightweight Billet Stroker Crank... for 3.45L S52 engine
3.800" Stroke
Weight approximately 20lbs less than stock crank

Custom Titanium Lightweight Rods for Stroker Crank... for 3.45L S52 engine
ONLY 372 grams each according to the card. 5.400" length. MUCH LIGHTER than stock!

Crank & Rods available as package deal only! $6500.00 OBO

Custom JE 12:1 pistons for 3.45L S52 engine. $750.00 OBO

Fresh S52 Mod Race Head
New Valves, Springs, Retainers, Guides & Keepers.
Extrude Hone Ported & Polished
$2500.00 OBO

Sunbelt S52 SportCams - Prototype version (require degreeing in)
Less than 2 hours use
$1200.00 OBO



Complete 3.45L S52 Engine with all parts listed above (less headers):
Including Solid Lifters
Custom Aluminum Intake w/Large Throttle Body
Custom Fuel Rail with Adjustable Pressure Regulator & High-Flow Injectors
AEM Engine Management System OR OBDI Bosch OEM Harness, Intake & Computer
New Motorsports Timing Chain
BMP Cutting Ring Headgasket
Oversize Head Stud Kit
$16,000.00 OBO


Euro 3.2L Dual-Pickup Oil Pan w/Oil Pump $1050.00 OBO Reduced Price *** END OIL STARVING NOW! ***

VAC Oil Cooler/Remote Oil Filter adapter plate $500.00 obo

Lightened/Balanced 3.2L S52 crank (10lbs < stock) $1095.00 OBO Reduced Price. *** If you think a lightened flywheel is nice... wait 'til you try this one! ***

US 3.2L Tubular Exhaust Manifolds $200.00 OBO

Red Powder Coated E36M3 Front calipers $400.00 pair
Accusump - New in the box - $275.00

S52 Head...Needs Valve work SOLD THE FIRST ONE... THIS IS ANOTHER ONE $450.00 obo

All priced PLUS FREIGHT from Alcoa, TN 37701

LOTS of new and used go-fast goodies available for S52 now that I have switched to S50B32 in my CMod racecar.

1999 K1200RS Pit Bike with 15,xxx miles
Two Brothers Racing full exhaust
RhineWest Chip
Verholen Short shifter
GR8 Bike!

New toys arriving daily... GOTTA MAKE ROOM! :)

Let me know when the 50% off sale starts ;-)
frre bump

Let me know when the 50% off sale starts ;-)
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Sorry, but pricing is as good as its gonna get already. The folks that get them... be it sooner or later... will be happy!

Head and cams still avail?

please email

bisancorp@aol.com

sorry i can't pm yet
thanks

Head and cams still avail?

please email

bisancorp@aol.com

sorry i can't pm yet
thanks

Yes, they are still here!

Do you have any Extra S50 Blocks around... I'm local and would love to pick one up around here.....

Do you have any Extra S50 Blocks around... I'm local and would love to pick one up around here.....

Sorry, no spare blocks.

Sorry, no spare blocks.

Many of these parts are still available. Many more have been added.
Moving the 2004 Escalade (see separate listing) too!
The Mini S Convertible has found a new home in MS!

So are there any aftermarket cams for sale?

So are there any aftermarket cams for sale?

There are Sunbelt Racing Prototypes listed. Less than 2 hours on them.

There are Sunbelt Racing Prototypes listed. Less than 2 hours on them.

2004 Escalade... dark Bluechip Metallic w/slate leather interior. AWD 18k miles LOADED. $41K OBO

2004 Escalade EXT... Black Raven w/slate leather interior SUPERCHARGED 38k miles. LOADED. $49,950.00 OBO

Both are good tow vehicles, but the SC EXT is mindblowing quick too!:)

Can you please email me pics and details on the head... I would love to buy them off you but I would like to have these details please.

Thank you.

Can you please email me pics and details on the head... I would love to buy them off you but I would like to have these details please.

Thank you.

Photos available soon!

Do you have any Extra S50 Blocks around... I'm local and would love to pick one up around here.....

I now have a block available.

what is max rpm with that long of a stroke??

and will the euro oil pan fit an s52 e30??? im assuming yes from your sig but im not sure how since the stock s52 pan wont fit

what is max rpm with that long of a stroke??

and will the euro oil pan fit an s52 e30??? im assuming yes from your sig but im not sure how since the stock s52 pan wont fit

In testing, we were twisting it 8500 rpm with a vastly improved valvetrain, intake, and head porting. Those lightweight Ti rods and lightweight pistons enable some significant rpm improvements when properly balanced.

No, the euro pan will not fit to put the S50B32 into an e30. We had to use the pan and pickup from an 525. Bolts right on and because it is front sump rather than rear sump (like the e36) it does not require any special baffles to prevent oil starvation issues.

wow quick reply... 8500 rpm in an 3.4L is tempting but like you i was thinking of ditching the us e36 motor in my e30 for the euro counterpart

any more pics of your car?? looks great in your sig

wow quick reply... 8500 rpm in an 3.4L is tempting but like you i was thinking of ditching the us e36 motor in my e30 for the euro counterpart

any more pics of your car?? looks great in your sig


Just happened to be on-line when I saw your post.
It was pretty sweet power too. The main reason I switched to euro will show up soon. I wanted to de-stroke the euro to go racing in DM at similar power to what I've been seeing from most folks in CM. I'm building another lighterweight e30 chassis right now for use with my new 2974cc dual VANOS euro motor variant that should be in the car in time for O'fest (knock on wood).


May issue of Roundel shows the car pre-widebody kit.
Thanks!

Does the stock S50B30 (Euro 3.0L) crank have sufficient rod journal material to offset grind to a shorter stroke? Or do you need to get a custom crank?

I've noticed that the rod journal on the S50B30 is very "beefy" at 50mm diameter compared to 49mm of the S50B32 and S54. "Regular" BMW 6 cylinders have 45mm rod journal diameters.

Seems like there is plenty of material to do the offset grind, but I don't know about special surface treatings or coatings that might need to be done.


Just happened to be on-line when I saw your post.
It was pretty sweet power too. The main reason I switched to euro will show up soon. I wanted to de-stroke the euro to go racing in DM at similar power to what I've been seeing from most folks in CM. I'm building another lighterweight e30 chassis right now for use with my new 2974cc dual VANOS euro motor variant that should be in the car in time for O'fest (knock on wood).


May issue of Roundel shows the car pre-widebody kit.
Thanks!

Does the stock S50B30 (Euro 3.0L) crank have sufficient rod journal material to offset grind to a shorter stroke? Or do you need to get a custom crank?

I've noticed that the rod journal on the S50B30 is very "beefy" at 50mm diameter compared to 49mm of the S50B32 and S54. "Regular" BMW 6 cylinders have 45mm rod journal diameters.

Seems like there is plenty of material to do the offset grind, but I don't know about special surface treatings or coatings that might need to be done.

Yes, mine has been offset ground to meet the very minimal requirement to get below the Zilinsky rule 2980cc. Very simple machine work. Still using OEM bearing set (smaller size now of course). Anxious to see how she does.

Yes, mine has been offset ground to meet the very minimal requirement to get below the Zilinsky rule 2980cc. Very simple machine work. Still using OEM bearing set (smaller size now of course). Anxious to see how she does.

Are you using the Euro 3.0 rod undersize bearings? they come in 49.5mm, and 49.75mm (IIRC) or did you move to euro 3.2L bearing, 49.0mm, 48.75mm or 48.5mm?

What did you chose for rods?

I had this destroke idea for awhile, good to see somebody is doing it. I figure even if you just use stock cams, and stock compression and use stock programming you should be able to make 255-260 rwhp quite easily, which is right up there with a lot of good S14s and have more reliablity and torque and all you need is an offset grind and some custom pistons

And of course, change the cams, raise the compression use a bigger plenum, custom programming and bingo you can have a 380 - 400 hp engine.

Are you using the Euro 3.0 rod undersize bearings? they come in 49.5mm, and 49.75mm (IIRC) or did you move to euro 3.2L bearing, 49.0mm, 48.75mm or 48.5mm?

What did you chose for rods?

I had this destroke idea for awhile, good to see somebody is doing it. I figure even if you just use stock cams, and stock compression and use stock programming you should be able to make 255-260 rwhp quite easily, which is right up there with a lot of good S14s and have more reliablity and torque and all you need is an offset grind and some custom pistons

And of course, change the cams, raise the compression use a bigger plenum, custom programming and bingo you can have a 380 - 400 hp engine.

ABL Original Parts...Alex...is providing the engine for me. I'm sure Al Valenzo at Patrick BMW can get the job done on the assembly. It has higher compression, coated, lightweight pistons, some good rods, I don't know which rod bearing size, Schrick cams, Carbon plenum, dual VANOS, and custom tuning. Should make a few ponies in DM. We'll soon see. :)

ABL Original Parts...Alex...is providing the engine for me. I'm sure Al Valenzo at Patrick BMW can get the job done on the assembly. It has higher compression, coated, lightweight pistons, some good rods, I don't know which rod bearing size, Schrick cams, Carbon plenum, dual VANOS, and custom tuning. Should make a few ponies in DM. We'll soon see. :)


FWIW: using the BMW GrpA Cams, big air plenum, special Bosch HFM (that is NLA, but looks like Jack Money has one), stock ecu, but with different software for engine and VANOS....the 3.0L produced around 380 hp. I think with alpha N you could see 400hp out of the 3.0L.

FWIW: using the BMW GrpA Cams, big air plenum, special Bosch HFM (that is NLA, but looks like Jack Money has one), stock ecu, but with different software for engine and VANOS....the 3.0L produced around 380 hp. I think with alpha N you could see 400hp out of the 3.0L.

That would be really nice! :) :) :)

That would be really nice! :) :) :)

If you made that kinda power, the issues will start becoming, close ratio gearing. The GrpA cars used Hollinger boxes, and of course the bottom end issue we're seeing could become an issue, but with a shorter stroke might be ok.

BTW if you go with single vanos and the stock ecus, I have the GrpA code for the ECU and the VANOS, that could help you "baseline" the mapping.

If you made that kinda power, the issues will start becoming, close ratio gearing. The GrpA cars used Hollinger boxes, and of course the bottom end issue we're seeing could become an issue, but with a shorter stroke might be ok.

BTW if you go with single vanos and the stock ecus, I have the GrpA code for the ECU and the VANOS, that could help you "baseline" the mapping.

Thanks, but we're planning to use the dual VANOS head from my current CM engine with all its goodies and custom tuning of the Siemens ECU. However, I'm also planning a rebuild of the bottom-end of my CM engine with install of the single VANOS head with all its goodies, a Carbon plenum, some hot cams, etc for a solid back-up engine should I need to go playing around in CM anytime soon. Valenzo tells me that I have virtually everything I need to duplicate the setup that Larry Wright used (then Jack Money's car) in the past in the spare parts bin...so we thought that might be worth doing. He says he still has access to chip(s) etc to make it good to go in short order. Who knows, I might just slap it in a sleeper 318ti and go picking on kids around town. Many of them don't yet know to BEWARE anytime a grand dad wants to race their rice rocket!

sounds like a good plan...use dual vanos on the smaller engine where torque is going to be more of an issue than on the big motor.

how about putting the big motor in a E34 wagon for a real sleeper.

Thanks, but we're planning to use the dual VANOS head from my current CM engine with all its goodies and custom tuning of the Siemens ECU. However, I'm also planning a rebuild of the bottom-end of my CM engine with install of the single VANOS head with all its goodies, a Carbon plenum, some hot cams, etc for a solid back-up engine should I need to go playing around in CM anytime soon. Valenzo tells me that I have virtually everything I need to duplicate the setup that Larry Wright used (then Jack Money's car) in the past in the spare parts bin...so we thought that might be worth doing. He says he still has access to chip(s) etc to make it good to go in short order. Who knows, I might just slap it in a sleeper 318ti and go picking on kids around town. Many of them don't yet know to BEWARE anytime a grand dad wants to race their rice rocket!