97 E36 M3 vs Ferrari Modena 360 [Archive] - Bimmerforums

bimmermechanic1

10-07-2005, 08:08 PM

I was on the 405 driving north at about 12 am last weekend and this guy in a red Modena 360 came up behind me and tried to pass. I punched it and he could not gain ground. Then we hit the twisties and it was a KO! The Modena was sliding everywhere and we all know the M3 is the best handling car in the world! Well it showed - he was dust!

The best part is not only was he killed, but the 97 body style looks so nice versus these newer cars - especially the Modena!

Long live the best handling best looking car ever made - the 97 M3 baby!:buttrock :buttrock

manonskisjr

10-07-2005, 08:13 PM

Nice job! Must feel great to beat a car worth about 10x more than yours. Haha.

giterdone

10-07-2005, 08:14 PM

silver3er

10-07-2005, 08:16 PM

Great kill! Ferrari"s are beautiful cars, but M3's are the Ultimate Driving Machine.

giterdone

10-07-2005, 08:17 PM

Great kill! Ferrari"s are beautiful cars, but M3's are the Ultimate Driving Machine.
For some reason I'm urged to disagree with you. That may be our motto, but I'd put the German or Italian horsies above ours.

bimmermechanic1

10-07-2005, 08:24 PM

Brad D.

10-07-2005, 08:27 PM

dennisjai

10-07-2005, 08:29 PM

HOOJ

10-07-2005, 08:30 PM

I'd put the German or Italian horsies above ours.

FYI: BMW is German, buddy. :confused

ugaroadster

10-07-2005, 08:31 PM

This is the same jack*** that was saying the E36 M3 sucks blah, blah, blah.. Time for the instaban.

gateguardian

10-07-2005, 08:33 PM

Dont have any mods - like to keep it pure. The E36 is just so fast - nothing can compete. The twisties are where we can take any car in the world. Remember everyone - Car and Driver said we have the best handling car!! I always feel so cool cruising the 405 as everyone knows I am in a Ferrari Killer!

BMW #1:buttrock :buttrock :buttrock :buttrock :buttrock :buttrock :buttrock :buttrock :buttrock :buttrock
you're an idiot. The modena will outhandle, out accellerate, outbrake(sp?), any close to stock M3 (be it E30/E36/E46). Your car is not the best handling car. The 360 is 10x your car(handling wise), the Elise is 100x your car(handling wise).
Oh, and even the E36 looks awesome, don't even dare to compare it w/ the looks of a 360 Modena.

Brad D.

10-07-2005, 08:33 PM

This is the same jack*** that was saying the E36 M3 sucks blah, blah, blah.. Time for the instaban.

Yeah this guy is just trying to start stuff. Ban.

giterdone

10-07-2005, 08:34 PM

FYI: BMW is German, buddy. :confused
Ummm.... yeah, I never said it wasn't. I said the German PONY. P-Car for you slow ones in the crowd. Also, if you still dont understand, P-Car = Porsche, you know Carerra type bodystyle with a Pony embedded on a shield that is placed on the hood of the car?

Also the Italian Pony is a Ferrari, emblem is similar to the Porsche but slightly changed.

:rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes

Also, this thread is retarded, the guy should be banned and this thread should be locked. :ban:

neoman

10-07-2005, 09:27 PM

He is talking bs. But I would take exeption with the modena out handling the e46 M3. I have seen the best motoring video of both of bthese in a track race and the bmw skinned the modena. I know it could be the pilots involved but still made interesting viewing. I downloaded it off a file share programme like areslite or something.

Mr.M

10-07-2005, 09:32 PM

This thread is sarcasm, guys. Do you really think an M3 could outhandle/accelerate a Modena?

bbelt88

10-07-2005, 09:44 PM

Dont have any mods - like to keep it pure. The E36 is just so fast - nothing can compete. The twisties are where we can take any car in the world. Remember everyone - Car and Driver said we have the best handling car!! I always feel so cool cruising the 405 as everyone knows I am in a Ferrari Killer!

BMW #1:buttrock :buttrock :buttrock :buttrock :buttrock :buttrock :buttrock :buttrock :buttrock :buttrock

I have stats...... The E36 M3 did 0 - 62 in 5.5 and ran the quarter in 14.1 @97..... the Modena which you claimed to woop runs 0 -62 @ 4.2 seconds and runs through the quarter at 12.7 @ 112.5. Also if you beat him in the twisties which you might have... he would not have been sliding like you said he was. Modena's turn fairly nicely.....

frosty3777

10-07-2005, 09:51 PM

I think this guy went from driving pinto's to a bimmer. Common man, your car is fast, but it is definitely not a ferrari killer. Maybe you were racing one of those pontiac fiero's with the ferrari kit LOL

bimmermechanic1

10-07-2005, 10:13 PM

Trust me - my car is not a fiero! I raced one of them in the desert early this year and it was seriously modded out. The guy claimed it had nitros! I started to fall behind from 30-50 MPH, but when we got to the twisties it was all over. The driver clearly did not know that Car and Driver has M3 as the best handling car ever. I have to give him some props since they are really good looking cars - not quite the beauty of my 97 M3, but very classy.:nono :nono :nono :nono :nono :nono :nono :nono :nono :nono :nono :nono

Mess with the best and die like the rest!

Signed,

Fiero Killer

OrestP

10-07-2005, 10:49 PM

this is ridiculous. :ban:

ridebmw

10-07-2005, 10:54 PM

giterdone

10-07-2005, 11:20 PM

yea wow i cant believe you guys took 5 posts to pick up on this clever fella. :rolleyes

O and get the hell of our boards obviously you have no car that is worth talking about or you wouldnt put down others. Get a life stop trolling. :mad
no, it took 2 replies. I tried to be the first, but somebody beat me too it.

Also, stop spouting the crap out about being the best handling car. That article was written in 1997!!! Cars have changed alot since then. Hell I bet the Evo's even outhandle our cars now.

ridebmw

10-07-2005, 11:23 PM

no, it took 2 replies. I tried to be the first, but somebody beat me too it.

Also, stop spouting the crap out about being the best handling car. That article was written in 1997!!! Cars have changed alot since then. Hell I bet the Evo's even outhandle our cars now.
ur usually so fast to lol
and Evos def outhandle our cars.

LeMansGTS

10-07-2005, 11:24 PM

seriously, instaban

i bet the original poster drives a honda accord sedan EX DX R Special Edition with a fartcan and nos stickers

jtgm3

10-07-2005, 11:34 PM

I've raced a modena before too. He was test driving the car with a salesperson. I'm sure the sales guy told him to punch it. I was turning left in front of him. Once I turned, he tried to switch lanes and pass me. We were going around 135mph. He was creeping slowly but he wasn't able to pass me. It was a good race and he gave me a thumbs up. I think back then I had intake and OBD II manifold and AA exhaust as performance mods.

91notchback

10-07-2005, 11:47 PM

typical thread. nothing new

yeuchau

10-07-2005, 11:55 PM

hmmm.......can we say fishy?

e36 m3 was best handling car back in 97. Modena has come along ways. I also think the modena looks ALOT better than our car. Don't get me wrong, I think our car is timeless, but I'd drop it in a heart beat for a modena.

What are your mods? It seems like you beat the driver really, I'm sure a capable person in a modena, would be able to hand 95% of us our asses in a race.
agree

and i don't think that the modena is trying to race you, there is no way that a stock e36 m3 can compete with modena in anyway..
and i love the body style in modena way more than the e36 m3

TooHot

10-08-2005, 11:10 AM

Trepan

10-08-2005, 11:18 AM

:handclap Good show my man

kc0433

10-08-2005, 01:13 PM

I wonder why I even visit this part of the forum sometimes?. :dunno

giterdone

10-08-2005, 01:25 PM

I wonder why I even visit this part of the forum sometimes?. :dunno
then go back to e36 3 series.

stingraysvc270

10-08-2005, 01:48 PM

I love my E36 M3, but the Modena is on a different level. It does not matter if it is a striaght line race or twisties, the M will lose. There is nothing wrong with that. Our cars a great for their day. THe car and driver you refer to was a great write up. If you go back and read it though, our car was not the fastest, it was the easist to drive fast. It is a very predictable car therefor it is easy to drive fast. The lap times however did show that some of the other cars were all out faster.

hnoppenberger

10-08-2005, 01:53 PM

FYI: BMW is German, buddy. :confused

hes talking about porsche...

Ruiner

10-08-2005, 02:16 PM

Great Kill!! All kills are great, but nothing beats killing a "supercar." This is where the stealthy effect of the M3 really comes into play. They think they are going up against some ordinary coupe or sedan then BAM, they are hit with //M Power! Then it's all over before they even know what hit them. I think the 360 may be able to pull on the M3 a bit on the straights but it can easily make up the ground through the twisties. C&D needs to have another "best handling car at any price" test. I honestly think you could throw the E36 M3 into the mix and it would more than hold it's own against the big boys. I think the 360 is a pretty hot looking car but the M3 has much more of a timeless look to it. I think in about 15 years if you put the two next to each other most people would choose the looks of the M3, it's just a classic. I've had it out with a few high end sports cars, won some and lost some. I honestly think the ones I lost were due to the fact that I didn't have my driving gloves and shoes on, they kind of caught me off guard when I was just running some errands. Once again great kill, the only thing that would have made it better was if you got it on video! :buttrock

I've driven both. The E36 isn't even in the same league as the 360 Modena both in the straights (where it will EASILY kill an E36 M3) and in the turns (where the 360 Modena's handling is incredible as well). It's a nice car, but come on... The 360M is still above and beyond the E46 M3. The only M3 that is truly in that class (straight line and turn speed) is the E46 M3 CSL. My car, a 911 turbo (996 gen) has its hands full with the 360 Modena. I have never, however, had any problems with either an E36 or an E46 M3, though. The guy that started this thread is a troll. It needs to be locked.

-ruiner
'01 Porsche 911 turbo (996 gen)

awahl63

10-08-2005, 02:17 PM

you guys are retarded

Red Herring

10-08-2005, 02:34 PM

Last posts by bimmermechanic1 just in case anyone would like to see how reatarded he has acted before

http://bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=419900

Oh, that thread got locked too, just lock this one now and be done with it.

dave is cool

10-08-2005, 02:36 PM

BMW is a POS compared to Ferrari.

TooHot

10-08-2005, 02:57 PM

giterdone

10-08-2005, 03:18 PM

From what I've seen and read the 360 is much nicer than a 911 turbo, much more of a driver's car. Tiff on fifth gear said he much prefers it.
he didn't talk about which ones were nicer. Ruiner was stating about racing them. Which vehicles would win. Saying he has no problem with any m3, and he has his handsfull with a Modena.

TooHot

10-08-2005, 03:25 PM

NHbmw325I

10-08-2005, 03:45 PM

can't really compare the 2 cars anyway. I would put them in a completely different class.

Ruiner

10-08-2005, 03:46 PM

From what I've seen and read the 360 is much nicer than a 911 turbo, much more of a driver's car. Tiff on fifth gear said he much prefers it.

Actually, Jeremy prefers the 360M and I believe that Tiff prefers the 911 turbo. Yes, the 360M is more of a driver's car, but the lack of torque and other issues kept me from buying one.

ridebmw

10-08-2005, 04:49 PM

Yeah I know, just saying what I heard about the cars. It would be great to see the 360, 911 Turbo and M3 really go at it. With the right driver //M power might prevail. Would probably depend on the course.
Are you joking. im sorry but so many people on here just proved they dont read threads they just post and they have no knowledge about cars what so ever. The M3 is no way better then a Modena in any way other then gas mileage. If you think you raced someone in a Modena and beat him with your manifold and exhuast your are so sorely mistaken its not even funny. Im not ever reading this thread again because of the worthless stuff that was just used to respond.

Red Herring

10-08-2005, 05:17 PM

The M3 is no where better then a Modena in any way other then gas mileage.
I agree, the only way an M3 is beating a modena is if you have an invalid behind the wheel of the ferrari.

ugaroadster

10-08-2005, 05:34 PM

thegman1234

10-08-2005, 05:46 PM

i can see this story being true, with the circumstance that the ferarri driver had no clue how to drive the car. Plus he probably wasn't even racing, he probably just happened to follow this guy, and maybe took the turns too fast for his own ability to handle, i cant see the the e36 m3 actually beating a good driver in a modena.

five3five

10-08-2005, 05:50 PM

BMW is a POS compared to Ferrari.
I'll chop off my left nut for a modena as a matter of fact and I'll take a leak afterwards on MY OWN E36 M3...didnt know the 405 extends to Reno either.
hamada

giterdone

10-08-2005, 06:03 PM

I'll chop off my left nut for a modena as a matter of fact and I'll take a leak afterwards on MY OWN E36 M3
:lol omg, that statement jsut cracked me up.:lol3

m0ng0

10-08-2005, 06:08 PM

guys, it's very clear he's just messing around. he's bored :)

i'm sure he's getting a few laughs out of this though.

giterdone

10-08-2005, 06:12 PM

guys, it's very clear he's just messing around. he's bored :)

i'm sure he's getting a few laughs out of this though.
no, it is clear he is just a troll. That is what he has been since he joined. He needs to be banned, and the thread needs to be locked.

Ruiner

10-08-2005, 06:55 PM

BMW is a POS compared to Ferrari.

I disagree with this statement on many levels...

German Engineering > Italian Engineering

theyouthahead

10-08-2005, 07:01 PM

definetly a bad statement to say a e36 m3 looks nicer than a modena...ya gotta be crazy to say somethin like that im sorry but its a ferrari and unless ur car is FA you really shouldnt stand a chance in any way

KnightRider/AMG

10-08-2005, 07:02 PM

the other day I took out an enzo by about 3 carlengths up to 195mph. I was in my stock 94 325is.

Red Herring

10-08-2005, 07:06 PM

I disagree with this statement on many levels...

German Engineering > Italian Engineering
That makes no sense. I mean, I can see where you're going but comparing engineers is too broad. German engineers made VW but I wouldn't compare a VW rabbit to an enzo.

Ruiner

10-08-2005, 07:21 PM

That makes no sense. I mean, I can see where you're going but comparing engineers is too broad. German engineers made VW but I wouldn't compare a VW rabbit to an enzo.

Italians also make Alfa Romeo, Ferrari, Fiat, Lancia & Maserati.

My point is that a BMW M is constructed better than a Ferrar 360 Modena (and most other Ferraris). Drive a Ferrari and you will see that the "build" quality will not impress you at all.

thegman1234

10-08-2005, 07:25 PM

the other day I took out an enzo by about 3 carlengths up to 195mph. I was in my stock 94 325is.
how the f*** did you do that? and how were u positive it was 195, our speedos only go up to 160

thegman1234

10-08-2005, 07:26 PM

I disagree with this statement on many levels...

German Engineering > Italian Engineering
i hate to double post but i'd have to agree with you on that, italian cars are nice, on the outside they're gorgeous, but they're nothing really special to me, but thats just my opinion.

ugaroadster

10-08-2005, 07:28 PM

how the f*** did you do that? and how were u positive it was 195, our speedos only go up to 160

Wow man, just wow. The lack of ability to comprehend sarcasm..

atlantisvip

10-08-2005, 07:41 PM

I dont know.. Modenas gave me good runs in my 00 M5.... Don't know if he was learning how to drive or felt bad for you.. :cool

thegman1234

10-08-2005, 07:43 PM

Wow man, just wow. The lack of ability to comprehend sarcasm..
lmao, that fact that he may have been sarcastic comepletely slipped my mind, i myself am not a sarcastic person, so i dont really catch sarcasm well, unless its said in a sarcastic voice. I'm also very gullable, someone told me gullable was written on the ceiling and i looked up lol.:)

Ruiner

10-08-2005, 07:45 PM

I dont know.. Modenas gave me good runs in my 00 M5.... Don't know if he was learning how to drive or felt bad for you.. :cool

Basically, it didn't happen. My guess is that this thread was 100% bullshit.

Ruiner

10-08-2005, 07:47 PM

i hate to double post but i'd have to agree with you on that, italian cars are nice, on the outside they're gorgeous, but they're nothing really special to me, but thats just my opinion.

We have a saying in my group of friends:

"If you want form (art), buy a Ferrari. If you want function, buy a Porsche."

Red Herring

10-08-2005, 07:58 PM

My point is that a BMW M is constructed better than a Ferrar 360 Modena (and most other Ferraris). Drive a Ferrari and you will see that the "build" quality will not impress you at all.
that makes more sense, haha, although I've never driven a ferrari so I can't comment on it's build quality

thegman1234

10-08-2005, 07:58 PM

We have a saying in my group of friends:

"If you want form (art), buy a Ferrari. If you want function, buy a Porsche."
what year is your porsche, cuz i love the 911

RedNosePit

10-08-2005, 09:25 PM

Basically, it didn't happen. My guess is that this thread was 100% bullshit.

+1

Oh yea, i was cruising down the road and I smoked Mert's 1000HP M3 by 20 car lengths while I was in reverse smoking a bong. :buttrock

slickav

10-08-2005, 10:57 PM

Guess people dont know sarcasm when they see it, GEEZ!

taseal

10-08-2005, 11:23 PM

haha, i cant believe u guys actually fell for him....

did u really think an e36 m3 was gunna outdrive a fricking 360? lol

Ruiner

10-09-2005, 12:58 AM

what year is your porsche, cuz i love the 911

'01 Porsche 911 turbo (996 gen)

herragge

10-09-2005, 01:02 AM

360 modena < stock e36???? WTF?!

It just doesn't work out.

Try again; i'm surprised this thread wasn't locked...

Mike

bimmermechanic1

10-09-2005, 01:09 AM

we all know its more about the driver than the car. i killed the 360M because the driver was clearly a punk. not saying that my car is faster - just that when i put the gloves on and shoes and get ready for a race, I can take on the best. he was dusted in the twisties - that should not surprise anyone that has driven an M3. C&D totally agreed. professional in an M3 destroys punk in 360M anyday .

quit ripping the looks of the e36 - it is a timeless classic. wait a few more years and everyone will agree its vintage look - not to mention 4 door sedans look way cooler.:nono :nono :nono :nono :nono :nono :nono :nono :nono :nono :nono :nono :nono

herragge

10-09-2005, 01:18 AM

professional in an M3 destroys punk in 360M anyday .

How are you a qualified professional?

lecchilo

10-09-2005, 01:20 AM

i would say something but from the look of this guy's posts, it seems like he's sitting at his comp with a racing outfit on, poor M3 in his garage, and a rifle in his hands waiting for someone to make fun of his HUGE obsession with the M3.

SO, i'll agree and add to the thread that the other day I raced a 09 M7(quad turbo, 13 cylinder engine putting down 12000hp, 15000tq, 0-60 in .432 sec and 1/4 mile in 2 secs) when we started off the line, he took me by about 100 CLs but i caught up at around 150 mph and by the time we reached 300mph i had him by 20 CLs, from a roll it's a different story though, he had no chance whatsoever. oh, i have the staggered doublespoke setup that's good for about 3000hp, angeleyes which add about 5000 per side, and an alpine CD player that's good for another 10000hp and 6000tq. :redspot :redspot

:lol :lol sorry to add on to the sarcasm but this is just ridiculous, maybe the guy was pushing his modena down the highway, just my $.02

Schneller Bayer

10-09-2005, 05:50 AM

Can anyone say lock this thread.http://www.jaxstreetscene.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/locked.gif

I think somebody is just trying to tool bmw owners/fans, made up an account in the hopes of posting this thread elsewhere. A name like bimmermechanic or whatever doesn't automatically make someone a smart bmw owner. FYI, we bimmerphiles tend to be much more open to the possibility of being beat by faster cars (i.e. reality) than most forums, which frequently claim that their g35 beat an m roady, or their teg gsr took a 540 on the freeway.

get a life.

oh, how much merthp are you puttin down?

Schneller Bayer

10-09-2005, 06:08 AM

That makes no sense. I mean, I can see where you're going but comparing engineers is too broad. German engineers made VW but I wouldn't compare a VW rabbit to an enzo.

Not as a driving machine, but compare the build quality of a new golf (or a mkIV) to a ferraris, and well-whadaya-know, the vw IS starting to look good.

bimmermechanic1

10-09-2005, 08:56 AM

i have been teaching people who buy nice cars and would like to know how to really drive them how to race effectively for 20+ years. I also have been building and repairing cars for 20+ years. given it is what i do for a living, i would say that makes me a professional. :devillook :devillook :devillook :devillook :devillook

Brad D.

10-09-2005, 09:54 AM

boggs wade

10-09-2005, 10:20 AM

"For some reason I'm urged to disagree with you. That may be our motto, but I'd put the German or Italian horsies above ours."

Who makes the BMW "horsies"?

Comfort

10-09-2005, 11:06 AM

Are you joking. im sorry but so many people on here just proved they dont read threads they just post and they have no knowledge about cars what so ever. The M3 is no way better then a Modena in any way other then gas mileage. If you think you raced someone in a Modena and beat him with your manifold and exhuast your are so sorely mistaken its not even funny. Im not ever reading this thread again because of the worthless stuff that was just used to respond.

Amazing how badly most of you got played by bimmermechanic1 and Toohot...pathetic indeed.

Comfort

10-09-2005, 11:09 AM

We have a saying in my group of friends:

"If you want form (art), buy a Ferrari. If you want function, buy a Porsche."

That's because you and your friends are morons.

jjgbmw323

10-09-2005, 11:32 AM

I've driven both. The E36 isn't even in the same league as the 360 Modena both in the straights (where it will EASILY kill an E36 M3) and in the turns (where the 360 Modena's handling is incredible as well). It's a nice car, but come on... The 360M is still above and beyond the E46 M3. The only M3 that is truly in that class (straight line and turn speed) is the E46 M3 CSL. My car, a 911 turbo (996 gen) has its hands full with the 360 Modena. I have never, however, had any problems with either an E36 or an E46 M3, though. The guy that started this thread is a troll. It needs to be locked.

-ruiner
'01 Porsche 911 turbo (996 gen)

The m3s are very nice machines. But so now are the evos and STIs.
A highly modifed 1.8 20v turbo, an Evo or a Sti that are mods can deliver as much or more HP and handling than a e36m3. You would have your hands full taking out a 1.8 20v turbo Audi with garrett 28rs turbo, FMIC and HR coil overs. So too would it be difficult to take out a modified evo.

My 323i with stroker engine should be able to keep up with an e36 M3, but I dont claim to be taking out evos, or STIs, or Stage III APR GTIs...come on bro.

And the 360 Modena is an Italian Masterpiece!

this is thread ridiculous. :ban:

I am for having this thread closed. Lock or :ban:

Lee Sung

10-09-2005, 11:37 AM

e36 M3 is the best car ever made~~~~~!!!!!!!
hahahaha

ugaroadster

10-09-2005, 12:09 PM

atlantisvip

10-09-2005, 01:36 PM

Im unsubscribing from this meaningless thread..

TooHot

10-09-2005, 01:53 PM

Man I can't believe what a sarcastic turn this thread has taken. The fact of the matter is that it IS entirely possible to take out a 360 in an E36 M3. There's a lot more to it than just the stats. Sure if you sit down and crunch the numbers a 360 should win, but things are just not that simple. It's the same with any sport, there are always upsets, just look at the NFL. AS they say, that's why they play the games. A lot of times the drivers of these cars just don't have any balls. They know one little mistake could cost them more than the total value of an M3. I recently got into a little tussle with a Ford GT. Yeah I know the GT has a few more HPs and pulls a tiny bit more on the skid pad. This guy just didn't have the balls to the wall, win at all cost attitude that I have. He also probably underestimated the performance of the stealthy M3. The combination of those two things led to a pretty close race, as you would expect he was able to pull a bit on the straights but I had the edge through the twisties. It just confirmed my belief that the E36 M3 can hold it's own against anything on the road.