Just ordered my dinan supercharger!!!

How much $$ did that run you.

12 K but i also ordered the throttle bodies and the Exhaust

Congratulations. Your car will be a beast.
For those that are willing to pay the price, there is no substitute for Dinan... :)

Where are you getting it installed? Be sure to post pics.

at a place called autosport works in denver. but im just waiting to get it know its going to take while.once i get i will posts some picks!!

www.autosportworks.com

damn nice!
Please post your thoughts after the install, a supercharger is definitely on my "to do list". Things such as power curve, sound, butt dyno, etc.!
Congrats on pulling the trigger

damn nice!
Please post your thoughts after the install, a supercharger is definitely on my "to do list". Things such as power curve, sound, butt dyno, etc.!
Congrats on pulling the trigger

Lol screw what hes going to think of it, I'm sure he will only have praise for it. I'm more interested in some dyno graphs ;)

Lol screw what hes going to think of it, I'm sure he will only have praise for it. I'm more interested in some dyno graphs ;)

Did you ask for a dyno graph before you bought your car? J/K ;)

Congrats dude! Can't wait to hear about the results and see some dyno's.

Did you ask for a dyno graph before you bought your car? J/K ;)

No but I certainly did a good job researching other people's graphs before :stickoutt

Does Vortech sell the kit themselves? If so does their make more than 4.6psi of boost?

Does Vortech sell the kit themselves? If so does their make more than 4.6psi of boost?


You can turn the bost up on the dinan vortech supercharger if you want but it just voids the warranty. i dont know how much you can turn it up?

http://www.vf-engineering.com/

They say theirs is 6.0lbs for the stage 1 and its $9000. The stage 2 hasnt been released yet.

Lol screw what hes going to think of it, I'm sure he will only have praise for it. I'm more interested in some dyno graphs ;)

haha, yes, dynos would be nice too. Though with Dinan I am sure that the gains will be close, probably a little under their claims. Gains are gains though, and with Dinan the gains will be "gentler" on the engine and internals.
With Dinan, is the stock red line the same? 7900 k?
If I got Active's 7.5 psi kit, I would probably rarely redline the car, in fact I would probably shift at 6900k instead... just to consider reliability, and engine longevity. Has anyone thought of this? Isn't 90% of engine wear done near or at red line?
With the Dinan stage 1 kit I would 7.9 the sucker each time though haha :evil2 , since I'm sure Dinan has played it safe.
Which is better, lowered red line, but still more power, or less power but more "reliable" ( my term "reliable" is only relative and is only emotional with no actual factual backing)

I have trouble redlining the damn car now and it's stock.
After 6K rpm's it really feels like the engine is going to go kaboom.
Can't imagine what the supercharged rush must feel like...

It would take me quite some time to comfortably redline a supercharged car.
But the fact that it's Dinan would be a little more reassuring.
Z8 fiasco aside, they do their homework.

Getting dyno pulls is usually not convenient for people. I know it would be a pain for me to do it. The closest dynos for me are 30 miles away at least, and aren't very euro friendly.
He probably should go on eBay and get one of the $30 Gtechs and do some baselines if nothing else. It has proved to be an valuable tool for me as I mod things, even though the trap speed is usually off by a couple MPH.

Getting dyno pulls is usually not convenient for people. I know it would be a pain for me to do it. The closest dynos for me are 30 miles away at least, and aren't very euro friendly.
He probably should go on eBay and get one of the $30 Gtechs and do some baselines if nothing else. It has proved to be an valuable tool for me as I mod things, even though the trap speed is usually off by a couple MPH.

So if you spent $12k on a blower setup, then a 30 mile drive and taking a few hours off of work is too much trouble? I guess when you are busy you are busy :stickoutt

I'd never put somthing like that kit on my car without getting a dyno run or 2 done shortly after installing it. Its always a good idea to make sure the A/F ratio is safe and everythings working like it should. I know you all would trust Dinan with your lives ;) , but it certainly wouldnt hurt to get it checked out.

So if you spent $12k on a blower setup, then a 30 mile drive and taking a few hours off of work is too much trouble? I guess when you are busy you are busy :stickoutt

Oh man you have no idea how busy...

Remember I'm supposed to be putting my Evosport headers in, right? I'm on vacation, figured I'd have time to do it, but it just isn't happening. I've spent most of my time chasing down parts for the new motor going in my truck, organizing space for the parts in the garage, and dealing with the insurance from the destruction of my home in July. Oh yeah, not to mention several hours spent over the past two days on another Dakota R/T I'm buying tomorrow.
So I've got these headers sitting in my living room because I don't have time to put them in, and I sure don't have room in the garage to keep them down there. Wait till you see the pics from the motor buildup, you'll see what I mean.

BTW: when I say 30 miles to the nearest dyno, that doesn't mean a 30 minute drive at 60mph. Ever been to Tampa? The only time you can make that kind of time is about 3am-5am. The rest of the time you're probably lucky to see 40mph. The dyno is in the middle of Brandon too, which is the epicenter of all vehicular traffic in the county.

You're totally right about the AFR though. If he's going so far as to put in a supercharger, he should definitely make the effort to get that checked out.

Ah gotcha. Expect to free up an entire weekend for putting on your own headers. Took me at least 8 solid hours of work to put the euro headers on my e36, but maybe e46 m3's are less of a pain (3 bolts per exhaust port vs. 4 on the e36, and maybe there is more room under there).

at a place called autosport works in denver. but im just waiting to get it know its going to take while.once i get i will posts some picks!!

www.autosportworks.com

I thought Auto sport werks is in broomfield. btw can I get a ride after you installe the SC :D

...maybe e46 m3's are less of a pain (3 bolts per exhaust port vs. 4 on the e36, and maybe there is more room under there).


BWAAAA HAAAA HAAA HAAAAA! :rofl


Dear Lord its horrible... The first time took me about 14 hours. The most recent install I think I had it down to 8. Now that I really know what I'm doing I expect I'll be able to do it in 6 or less. Big plus is that I'm not changing the 1st section this time, and I don't have to worry about the cat wiring.

screw dyno, i wana see some .25 mile times

I thought Auto sport werks is in broomfield. btw can I get a ride after you installe the SC :D
Ya it is broomfield i think they are the closet dinan dealer around me they seem like they do good job. but i will give you a ride for sure

Ya it is broomfield i think they are the closet dinan dealer around me they seem like they do good job. but i will give you a ride for sure

Thanks it would be nice to make a some comparisons between an almost stock and a SC Dinan M3. :)

Thanks it would be nice to make a some comparisons between an almost stock and a SC Dinan M3. :)
How far do you live from stapleton in denver

haha, yes, dynos would be nice too. Though with Dinan I am sure that the gains will be close, probably a little under their claims. Gains are gains though, and with Dinan the gains will be "gentler" on the engine and internals.
With Dinan, is the stock red line the same? 7900 k?
If I got Active's 7.5 psi kit, I would probably rarely redline the car, in fact I would probably shift at 6900k instead... just to consider reliability, and engine longevity. Has anyone thought of this? Isn't 90% of engine wear done near or at red line?
With the Dinan stage 1 kit I would 7.9 the sucker each time though haha :evil2 , since I'm sure Dinan has played it safe.
Which is better, lowered red line, but still more power, or less power but more "reliable" ( my term "reliable" is only relative and is only emotional with no actual factual backing)

Dinan actually raises the redline....the S2 kit im having installed brings redline up to 8150rpm.

Dinan actually raises the redline....the S2 kit im having installed brings redline up to 8150rpm.

Ya i think it still revs out 8rpm in the bimmer article it says that Dinan supercharger revs out nice to the stock revline and the power is through out.

How far do you live from stapleton in denver

Not sure where is the stapleton :( , but I live close to the flatiron mall.

I just moved here i dont Know were a lot stuff is at live close to Qeubec street .

I just moved here i dont Know were a lot stuff is at live close to Qeubec street .

Qeubec st is very far from where I live. I'm about 2 miles from auto sport werks I assume you know where is that :D . BTW there is a bimmer racing shop called bimmerhaus . com they are also in the broomfield area very close to ASW. They have great prices for intsllation etc.

How would the dinan S/C compare to the Active Autoworks S/C....Is it more reliable, more power?

has to be better. the aa blower blows excuse the pun. you get like 40-50whp and they make the ridculous claims of 440 blistering hp and you end up with like 320 to the wheels.

their claims r outrageous

How would the dinan S/C compare to the Active Autoworks S/C....Is it more reliable, more power?
Dinan:
Peak Horsepower: 423 @ 7900 rpm
Peak Torque: 313 lb/ft @ 5500 rpm
Price arround $12000
Boost Leve: 4.6


No intercooler
Supercharger System Features:
Vortech Gear-Driven Supercharger (4.6 psi Boost Pressure)
CNC Aluminum and Steel Mounting Brackets
High Flow Cold Air Intake
Larger Capacity Fuel Injectors
Automatic Belt Tensioner
Racing-Style Aluminum Radiator (35% capacity increase)
Comprehensive Engine Management System Calibration
Matching New Car Warranty Coverage (up to 4 years/50,000 miles) or 2 years/Unlimited Mileage




Active Stage I:
Power: 440 BHP @ 7600 rpm
Torque: 340 ft/lbs @ 5250 rpm
0 - 60 mph: 4.5 sec
1/4 mile: 12.8 @ 113 mph
Boost Level: 5.5psi
price arround $9400



BMW E46 M3 Supercharger Kit Components: Level I (5.5psi)
Rotrex C38-71 Trim Supercharger
Active Autowerke Cast Intake Manifold
Front Mounted air to air Intercooler
Active Autowerke By-Pass Valve
Larger Injectors and Spark Plugs
Active Autowerke Mass Air Meter Housing
Supercharger Oil Cooler
80m Pulley
K&N Air Filter
All mounting Hardware, Plumbing, Hoses and Clamps
Generation 2 AA Custom Software
*The kit comes complete along with an illustrated directional manual for installation.
*2 Year Warranty with Free Tech Support
w/intercooler

dont be fooled by AA they use a high conversion rate when calculating bhp i think its 1.31 they use when they should be goin by 1.17.

thus the reason your 440 blistering hp. is only showing up as 340 at the wheels

dont be fooled by AA they use a high conversion rate when calculating bhp i think its 1.31 they use when they should be goin by 1.17.
thus the reason your 440 blistering hp. is only showing up as 340 at the wheels

dyno of AA stage II
http://www.m3forum.net/m3forum/showthread.php?t=87473

Video of AA stage II vs 911TT X50
http://www.racingflix.com/getvideo.asp?v=1185

Most of the dynos of AA stage I are between 360whp-400whp depending if you have a full exhaust or not, which is not bad imo. In term of reliability, I have not heard of any issues yet since the offered the kit last year.

dont be fooled by AA they use a high conversion rate when calculating bhp i think its 1.31 they use when they should be goin by 1.17.
thus the reason your 440 blistering hp. is only showing up as 340 at the wheels

The whp numbers totally depend on what kind of dyno they are using, theres no way you could accurately compare the 2 kits simply by looking at numbers.

The new updated intake manifold from AA is looking mighty fine too :)
I'm still waiting to see how the 2nd stage Dinan SC will be like however.

The whp numbers totally depend on what kind of dyno they are using, theres no way you could accurately compare the 2 kits simply by looking at numbers.


Don't forget Steve Dinan is mighty proud of his "wind tunnel" rated dyno fan. After the debacle over the horsepower he claimed on the M5 kits he made a point of describing the differences between dynos with the fan running and without. I imagine that if AA ran their tests on Dinan's dyno setup they'd show even more power.

AA is showing results from the 440hp crank hp stage 1 kit.

they got 345rwhp out of it. A 100 hp drivetrain loss!!!!!! whereas a stock M3 only loses about 60hp.


All of these people with the stage 2 AAs think they have 460rwhp though.

***440crank hp dynoed at 345rwhp
500crank is only 50 more crank hp but good for an additional 100rwhp?????

DO NOT THINK SO!!!!!! AA purchasers are misguided or just have no clue.

Corvettes and mustangs lose only 30-40hp from the crank to the wheel....

german and japanese lose ALOT more than that.


So the AA kit costs 10k for 345rwhp.

But you could spend about 3-4k for about 300-310rwhp through full exhaust,intake,tune. 10k + cost of install is worth it for an extra 20rwhp??????


i dont see why people look to spend 20k to supercharge a car that will only run maybe a second quicker than stock. best times ive seen from big money spenders like jmweb and a few others was 12.2-12.4.....thats comical for a 15k+ investment.
you would get your ass handed to you by a bone stock Z06 running high 11s or low 12s

the M3 is NOT a drag car and NEVER will be.....why look to make it a high hp car when it doesnt show through with the speed factor??

AA is showing results from the 440hp crank hp stage 1 kit.
they got 345rwhp out of it. A 100 hp drivetrain loss!!!!!! whereas a stock M3 only loses about 60hp.

The most recent stock dyno I've seen shows 289rwhp, so if thats consistent throughout all M3's, give or take a few, thats 43 hp, not 60, or about a 13 percent loss.

All of these people with the stage 2 AAs think they have 460rwhp though.
***440crank hp dynoed at 345rwhp
500crank is only 50 more crank hp but good for an additional 100rwhp?????
DO NOT THINK SO!!!!!!

I'm not sure what you're trying to say.

AA purchasers are misguided or just have no clue.
Corvettes and mustangs lose only 30-40hp from the crank to the wheel....
german and japanese lose ALOT more than that.

Thats simply not true. You can't make a generalization like that. Most of the Japanese cars are FWD which eliminates the driveshaft distance, improving horsepower to the ground. A lot of German cars have auto transmissions that are designed for comfort, with lots of slip built in. Most BMW's owned by enthusiasts however, are manual transmissions. Figure on 15 percent drivetrain loss at most, not 30. Figure your garden variety C5 Vette is about 350hp, right? You're saying they lose 30-40hp, so they have an average 10 percent drivetrain loss and they hit the dyno around 320hp? I don't think so. The good ones do about 300hp to the ground, or about 15 percent loss, right around an M3.

So the AA kit costs 10k for 345rwhp.
But you could spend about 3-4k for about 300-310rwhp through full exhaust,intake,tune. 10k + cost of install is worth it for an extra 20rwhp??????

I don't know where the 345hp figure is coming from.

i dont see why people look to spend 20k to supercharge a car that will only run maybe a second quicker than stock. best times ive seen from big money spenders like jmweb and a few others was 12.2-12.4.....thats comical for a 15k+ investment.

A better question would be to ask why all the people who have done the AA SC so far have SMG. Lack of clutch control contributes to a higher ET. Their trap speeds tell you the power is there, but their 60 foot times suck because of the lack of control. Thats why I got rid of my 02 SMG and I drive a standard shift 05 now.

you would get your ass handed to you by a bone stock Z06 running high 11s or low 12s
the M3 is NOT a drag car and NEVER will be.....why look to make it a high hp car when it doesnt show through with the speed factor??

ANY car is a drag car. There are Neon SRT4's running 11's now. You'd hardly consider a 4 cylinder commuter box like that to be a drag car now, but it is. You just have to figure on the right combination of parts to get it there. Technique is the other half of the equation.

I drag race my 05 every week. Its fun, and it gets the job done. BTW: I have yet to see a "bone stock Z06" run 11's. In the 12's yeah, but not 11's.

Hey, have you been drinking tonight or what? I'm used to you making a lot more sense than this. :stickoutt

But you could spend about 3-4k for about 300-310rwhp through full exhaust,intake,tune. 10k + cost of install is worth it for an extra 20rwhp??????

http://www.e46psi.com/videos.php

look at the 3rd video SuperCharged BMW E46 M3 vs Built NA BMW E46 M3. The NA M3 has mods worth $17000 this is way faster than a stock M3, but again the SC M3 stage I or II with same or less money is faster than the NA modded one.

http://www.e46psi.com/videos.php
look at the 3rd video SuperCharged BMW E46 M3 vs Built NA BMW E46 M3. The NA M3 has mods worth $17000 the is way faster than a stock M3, but again the SC M3 stage I with same or less money is faster than the NA modded one.

That is a classic, awesome video. The age old battle between going NA or going SC :stickoutt

Chuck:

The 345rwhp figure comes from the dyno graph of AA s/c stage 1.


Most M3 dynos i have seen are between 268-275rwhp (stock)


Corvettes do lose about 10% as do camaros and My cobra!

My buddy's supercharged Z06 when Bone stock (405hp) made 362rwhp.

My 04 Cobra....(rated a 390hp stock) made 372rwhp. ALOT of american muscle cars are underrated from the factory.


the point i was trying to make about the 500hp crank AA kits are that people are saying that they are making 460rwhp with them....whereas the 440hp kit only yeilds around 340rwhp. so at most i would safely say the 500hp kit is only making around 400-410rwhp and thus why 1/4 mile times arent consistent with a 500hp car only running low 12's.



search the net.....there are plenty of bone stock Z06's that have broken into the high 11s. just like people here found videos of the M3 running mid 12s stock with certain drivers......the Z06 has ALOT more potential when powershifted!!

they are rated at around 12.2-12.4 in most places anyhow. I have seen times of 11.8xx @ 116-118mph many times. search....they exist.


+ think about it......My buddy spent about 50k for the 2003 Z06 + 5k for the supercharger + another 5k in misc parts and puts down ~580rwhp and runs low 11s high 10's on the standard goodyear supercar street tires.

he spent 10k for an additional 180-200rwhp and an extra 1.5 seconds off his ET. 2-2.5 seconds quicker with drag radials.


people are spending 12k+ (+ better clutches and rearends) on the M3 for 100hp more? and only maybe a second quicker ETs????

AA is showing results from the 440hp crank hp stage 1 kit.
they got 345rwhp out of it. A 100 hp drivetrain loss!!!!!! whereas a stock M3 only loses about 60hp.
All of these people with the stage 2 AAs think they have 460rwhp though.
***440crank hp dynoed at 345rwhp
500crank is only 50 more crank hp but good for an additional 100rwhp?????
DO NOT THINK SO!!!!!! AA purchasers are misguided or just have no clue.
Corvettes and mustangs lose only 30-40hp from the crank to the wheel....
german and japanese lose ALOT more than that.
So the AA kit costs 10k for 345rwhp.
But you could spend about 3-4k for about 300-310rwhp through full exhaust,intake,tune. 10k + cost of install is worth it for an extra 20rwhp??????
i dont see why people look to spend 20k to supercharge a car that will only run maybe a second quicker than stock. best times ive seen from big money spenders like jmweb and a few others was 12.2-12.4.....thats comical for a 15k+ investment.
you would get your ass handed to you by a bone stock Z06 running high 11s or low 12s
the M3 is NOT a drag car and NEVER will be.....why look to make it a high hp car when it doesnt show through with the speed factor??

u sir have just stated all of my points, AA = full of crap and guilty of fudging numbers...

Lol screw what hes going to think of it, I'm sure he will only have praise for it. I'm more interested in some dyno graphs ;)
screw dyno , 1/4 mile please..........;)

screw dyno , 1/4 mile please..........;)


YES!!! thats exactly what matters here.

HP is useless if you cant use it.

I dont care if all of these AA S/C M3's have 400-450rwhp when they are only running mid 12's @ 116mph. Big WHOOP!!!!

My 04 Cobra ran a 12.81x @ 115mph when BONE STOCK @ 370rwhp!!! and its good for a low 11 @ well over 120mph with its current stance at ~480rwhp. but a similar rwhp M3 isnt even breaking into the high 11's. or at least no one around here is with all the money sunk into everyones M3.

10k + install for not even a full second better in the 1/4 over stock....??? waste of time and money and reliability of the engine.

Stock e46 M3 = 13.1-13.3 1/4 mile time

AA stage 2 M3 = 12.4-12.5 1/4 mile time....WASTE (esp with horrible 60' times)


the car isnt designed for big power and impressive 1/4 mile times.

yet all these idiots will continue to pay AA's as well as others outrageous prices for not much in return

YES!!! thats exactly what matters here.
HP is useless if you cant use it.
I dont care if all of these AA S/C M3's have 400-450rwhp when they are only running mid 12's @ 116mph. Big WHOOP!!!!
My 04 Cobra ran a 12.81x @ 115mph when BONE STOCK @ 370rwhp!!! and its good for a low 11 @ well over 120mph with its current stance at ~480rwhp. but a similar rwhp M3 isnt even breaking into the high 11's. or at least no one around here is with all the money sunk into everyones M3.
10k + install for not even a full second better in the 1/4 over stock....??? waste of time and money and reliability of the engine.
Stock e46 M3 = 13.1-13.3 1/4 mile time
AA stage 2 M3 = 12.4-12.5 1/4 mile time....WASTE (esp with horrible 60' times)
the car isnt designed for big power and impressive 1/4 mile times.

Aren't you the guy who's putting down $12k+ for a Dinan blower? :confused

Anyways, anyone can screw up a 1/4 mile run, and some people will never ever be good at it. It's a poor measure of a car's power output, especially compared to an accurate dyno. I personally dont give a $hit about anyone's 1/4 mile time, spend a few grand on a sport bike if you want to go fast.

yet all these idiots will continue to pay AA's as well as others outrageous prices for not much in return

Outrageous to you is chump change to someone else. It's all relative, and if AA and Dinan can sell enough to turn a large profit, good for them. At least it gives them more resources to develope new products, and who knows, one of those products might even be considered worth buying, even by you.

i dont think anyone would hardly consider 12k chump change and i dont think many people will though. if they made something nice at a reasonable price, your right i would buy it but no bmw vendor does thats why i quit modifying my bimmer.

if i want to ever mod a car again i would go japanese or american made. the prices would be half of what we pay with twice the gains... if not 3 times

Aren't you the guy who's putting down $12k+ for a Dinan blower? :confused
Anyways, anyone can screw up a 1/4 mile run, and some people will never ever be good at it. It's a poor measure of a car's power output, especially compared to an accurate dyno. I personally dont give a $hit about anyone's 1/4 mile time, spend a few grand on a sport bike if you want to go fast.


No.

I am spending (spent) about 13k for the Dinan signature stage 2 package....all bolt-ons and suspension work + new rims/tires. The reason I did it was to get a better overall performing car that is reliable as stock.

the only reason i spent that money was because its about 6k less than the average person would have to pay. To you or someone else...the S2 kit is 10k + installation + the other 5-6k for the rims and tires combo.

I only paid 13,750 for everything...installed. Good friends with the dealership owner!!!! so it was definitely worth it to me. it cost me about 8k for the exhaust,intake,TB's, 3.93, suspension work, software, etc.

I wouldnt spend 15k + install (+ cost of new clutch and losing reliability of a high compression motor) for a measly 40 more hp than what i got with the S2 kit.

And 12k is the price of the Dinan blower ALONE!....doesnt include the other work in the signature package such as exhaust, new throttle bodies, 3.93 rear, suspension etc. + install, so then you are talking well over 20k. which i didnt do.

I just wanted a better performing and sounding M3. Im not looking to race vettes and ferraris with it.
*thats what i got my Cobra for!!

Ya, know that i have looked into it i think im going to back out of the supercharger just not worth it not putting out the numbers. I agree its not a drag car keep it on the track thats were the m3 is at home not on the drag strip.

back out, i thought you already ordered it??

I bet they will try to hit with some sort of fee especially since you said you ordered it about 3 weeks ago.

If you can, I would. I figured that the S2 was the perfect package without going overboard with things that wont matter, the only thing i will be doing outside of the S2 package is the headers.

12k for the supercharger alone means another grand for install + all of the goodies you need to make it work properly.

I looked into the S3 kit, but it was around 25k installed + tax ( i could have gotten it for about 19 installed including tax but not including the rims/tires)

So i went with the S2 package + rims and tires for almost 14k (a difference of about 10k and im only 40hp short of it but I have 5k new rims/tires instead.)

Ya, know that i have looked into it i think im going to back out of the supercharger just not worth it not putting out the numbers. I agree its not a drag car keep it on the track thats were the m3 is at home not on the drag strip.
fyi, you lose about 50-60hp if you live in denver, The best 1/4 I got with the stock m3 is 14.2 at 99.7 ( 5800ft bandimere speedway). the SC will solve this problem. :D