To make a long story short, I got a crappy launch and this R32 just started pulling like crazy. It sounded great, sounded similar to a Srt-4 for some reason. Anyhow I hoped that I could start to catch up when I hit 3rd but it didn't look liek that was going to happen.

I asked him if he had mods, he said his main mod was just a chip. I have intake and exhaust on my m3. I don't feel any shame in saying that I got beat by the R32. Does anyone have any idea how much a Chip could help that car?

For an R32, a chip usually will add about 10-12 horsepower at the crank.

R32's are great, you can take off a vac line and the exhaust becomes more open or free. Fast cars.

the r32, e36 m3s natural enemy

Chances are if you raced another few times you would have got him sooner or later. I think they are both very equal cars in terms of power.

oh well... next time get a better launch

If the R32 owner can launch, you will have a hard time catching him in a stock-ish E36 M3. Launching them is actually pretty difficult with their part time AWD system and sticky tires.

I would say they are pretty close cars, straight line performanec wise, with the edge going to the R32 because of their launch.

If the R32 owner can launch, you will have a hard time catching him in a stock-ish E36 M3. Launching them is actually pretty difficult with their part time AWD system and sticky tires.

I would say they are pretty close cars, straight line performanec wise, with the edge going to the R32 because of their launch.

I dont know why most 2wd people think its so hard to launch an AWD car. Quite simple...rev to 5k, and quickly engage clutch (dont drop it)

I've driven several R32's and they're quite easy to launch quickly.

Steve

I dont know why most 2wd people think its so hard to launch an AWD car.
I kinda found this amusing....:lol

god, i tried to post on this earlier today, then site wnet down.

R32's are nice cars. Even power, but a bit heavier due to AWD. But they definately have the advantage on launch. It is definately a drivers race, with the winner going to whoever messes up, if you go from a roll. From a dig, they pretty much have ya. :(

Anyone know what their 1/4 time is?

14 flat at best. Stock for stock e36 should win

usually low 14 second cars stock @ 97-99mph. Some times, we get a few better times like one guy on vortex a couple days ago that ran a 13.96 @ 98.62 in his completely stock r32. A chip and intake + exhaust modification is good for about 20hp increase. Though 20hp increase sounds little, they seem to run on average .5-.75seconds faster in the quarter mile with just these modifications.

they are very close in performance, drivers race imo.

how much slower are sedans? i ran 2 a few days ago and both times from a roll i completely annihilated. Maybe auto and sedan? whats that, 15 second car?

sedan e36's are exact same weight as coupe e36s.

only thing that would've changed the outcome is auto. :)

sedan e36's are exact same weight as coupe e36s.

only thing that would've changed the outcome is auto. :)

mustve been autos then. ;)

They have alot of torque but lack the power needed to be really strong at the mid to top end. They weigh in at about 3450 lbs if not a bit more. I have met up with one on the highway but can't say it was pretty for him. Yeah I am modded:alright

check out www.car-videos.com for all info about 1/4 miles and such.

They have alot of torque but lack the power needed to be really strong at the mid to top end. They weigh in at about 3450 lbs if not a bit more. I have met up with one on the highway but can't say it was pretty for him. Yeah I am modded:alright


actually, they weight closer to 3330lbs and they have just as good up top power as down low (power isnt robbed from the awd system). What were you expecting? an r32 to beat up on a modded sti????

actually, they weight closer to 3330lbs and they have just as good up top power as down low (power isnt robbed from the awd system). What were you expecting? an r32 to beat up on a modded sti????
yeah, they have the haldex (that is right name right?) awd system, which is the fastest reacting AWD system. It is primarily FWD, pretty much 90% fwd, 10% on the rear wheels, but if it detects slippage it engages more power to the rear wheels, then as it doesn't need it, it lowers the power down to the rear wheels. So up top, it isn't robbed near as bad as many AWD vehicles.

the r32, e36 m3s natural enemy

HAHA lol a car made 7 years later is not the natural enemy of the E36 M3. :)

HAHA lol a car made 7 years later is not the natural enemy of the E36 M3. :)


A friend and I are inclined to think that this guy was Bs'ing about just having a chip. I seriously seriously doubt just a chip would grant him so much power. But hey I could be wrong.

Bottom line is, I got smoked and now I am mod thirsty. Hopefully the next time I come across a R32, the outcome will be a little different. :)

He probably had a chip + intake. He may have had the free xhaust modification which is just opening a flap that restricts noise under 3500rpms. Other than that, mods become pricey. A VF supercharger is $5k and a turbo kit is $7K.

As i said, there have been guys that have hit 13.2-13.5's with just a chip and intake. For the most part, its closer to 13.4 and up. Don't forget the r32 is awd and can hit 1.8- seconds to 60ft, an M3 will not and for this reason can take you off the line a car or two with ease. The m3 is still just as fast, but if you wanna race an r32 next time, do it from a roll, the results will be closer (unless hes modded and ur not or vise versa).

peter

yeah, they have the haldex (that is right name right?) awd system, which is the fastest reacting AWD system. It is primarily FWD, pretty much 90% fwd, 10% on the rear wheels, but if it detects slippage it engages more power to the rear wheels, then as it doesn't need it, it lowers the power down to the rear wheels. So up top, it isn't robbed near as bad as many AWD vehicles.
HAHAHA... you are joking... right?

Even if you have a drivetrain on the R32 made of unobtainium allowing zero friction/rotational loss, the STOCK STi would still cream the R32. Have you driven both of these cars? The R32 has 240hp... the STOCK STi is underrated at 300.

Quick reacting or not, dump the clutch on an STi at 5-6k and try to see if you feel how long it takes to react :stickoutt

Starter of this thread... don't feel bad. He got the launch on you, don't eat yourself up over it. I'd be curious as to who would have one had you stuck the launch as well as he. I think it would be a close, good race.

HAHAHA... you are joking... right?

Even if you have a drivetrain on the R32 made of unobtainium allowing zero friction/rotational loss, the STOCK STi would still cream the R32. Have you driven both of these cars? The R32 has 240hp... the STOCK STi is underrated at 300.

Quick reacting or not, dump the clutch on an STi at 5-6k and try to see if you feel how long it takes to react :stickoutt

Starter of this thread... don't feel bad. He got the launch on you, don't eat yourself up over it. I'd be curious as to who would have one had you stuck the launch as well as he. I think it would be a close, good race.
When did I ever say the r32 would beat an STi? I was simply talking about the AWD systems in them.

I do believe the whole time I talked about how close the compeititon was between the e36 m3 vs the r32. When did I mention either of those being tied with a stock STi? :confused

Please, brush up on your reading comprehension. :rolleyes

When did I ever say the r32 would beat an STi? I was simply talking about the AWD systems in them.


Haldex is used because of how the engine is mounted (transeverly for both the TT and R32). A transeverly mounted engine favor front wheel drive, so Haldex favors the front until slippage is detected in which case it transfers power to the rear. The right system for the engine combination at hand.

However, the Torsen-based Quattro system is entirely mechanical and actually prevents slip from occuring in the first place by transferring power appropriately before the slip even happens.

Haldex is used because of how the engine is mounted (transeverly for both the TT and R32). A transeverly mounted engine favor front wheel drive, so Haldex favors the front until slippage is detected in which case it transfers power to the rear. The right system for the engine combination at hand.

However, the Torsen-based Quattro system is entirely mechanical and actually prevents slip from occuring in the first place by transferring power appropriately before the slip even happens.
ahh nice, thanks for the info. I knew a bit about the Haldex due to a friend who has an R32 and works at a VW dealership. She told me a few tid bits. Thanks. :buttrock

A chip and intake + exhaust modification is good for about 20hp increase. Though 20hp increase sounds little, they seem to run on average .5-.75seconds faster in the quarter mile with just these modifications.


HUH? 20 horsepower (assuming at the wheels) drops 5-7 tenths? Thats amazing.

HUH? 20 horsepower (assuming at the wheels) drops 5-7 tenths? Thats amazing.

isnt it? i dont know... there is a huge spectrum. some with these mods have run 13.2 while others cant hit lower than 13.8 while others are stuck at 13.5!

well im pretty sure im nowhere near the 13's with my mods, torn up clutch, and shitty launch. this is great feedback and info. thanks guys

http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=205093