I'm very new to this forum, i'm somewhat more on the dtmpower forum though, but anyways i have a 5spd Cosmo Schwarz E36 M3 Luxury Edition. i love how intercoolers look in the front but i really don't want to mess with a S/C or Turbo Kit so i can pro long my engine life. Is it possible to install an Intercooler on a N/A car and if so are there any benfits? I really don't know about FI very well, all i know is that if you are running a S/C or Turbo setup a Intercooler Kit is recommended. Tried searching but really didn't know what to look up. any help would be appreciated.

cannot functionally install an intercooler on an NA car. you could def mount one up there for looks. word to the wise, i would delete this post before some of the other forum members jump on you.

If you like the way it looks, just buy one off of e-bay and mount it. It doesn't have to do anything. Get an electric supercharger while your at it. Or you can buy a aluminum radiator and tell all your friends that its an intercooler.

If you like the way intercoolers look, you probably love the sound of a blowoff valve. Just record the sound and program an ipod to turn on when you deaccelerate. Why pay for performance when looks are enough?

like i said, i know nothing of FI but i know intercoolers are needed for them. just really wanted to know if there was a possibility of putting on an intercooler and maybe get some benefit from it. not trying to rice out my car in any way, it's a very clean car with tasteful mods(a total sleeper minus the euro clears).

its not a sleeper if the badge tells the truth

i forgot to add that i debadged my M3, i could be crazy and just rebadge my car... but with a 318is. would that be considered a sleeper or just to mess with other peoples minds?

If you look around, you can find an CAI (cold air intake) that looks like a FMIC ;) btw I am on dtm too, M50_328is

http://members.myactv.net/~philscars/frontmount.gif

~phil

I would debadge a 318s also if I owned one.

I'm thinking about putting an ///M318i badge on my car...oh yeah...my car has an I/C because it actually needs one...nobody respects a poseur...

I'm thinking about putting an ///M318i badge on my car...oh yeah...my car has an I/C because it actually needs one...nobody respects a poseur...
What if he drives around with the intercooler in the trunk? That would be a total sleeper. Just put a M5 badge on the car and be done with it. That way we all know the true power the car produces.

seriously i would expect a little bit more respect from you FI guys but i guess you're a bunch of cocky sarcastic people. when people ask for help or advice that's all they ask for not ridicule, it's not like i've even done it. Not everyone knows everything, they learn by asking right? Hey maybe one day i might convince myself to go FI but my only question was

#1. could i put an intercooler on a N/A M3?
#2. If so are there any benefits?
#3. If i can't install then please tell me why.

Moderators i think this is a simple request for answers, not trying to get myself flamed as there is no reason to.

well the intercooler is only there to cool down the air charge running through it.No a intercooler cant be used on a m3.no gains because your not running compressed air thorugh it.and putting it there for looks is kind of ricerish.but its all good.get one of those ebay interfoolers

well the intercooler is only there to cool down the air charge running through it.No a intercooler cant be used on a m3.no gains because your not running compressed air thorugh it.and putting it there for looks is kind of ricerish.but its all good.get one of those ebay interfoolers

well there's a decent answer to my question, looks like if i want to get an Intercooler i better go FI. no need to add any extra weight to front if there is no benefits. that's all i need to know.

I'm thinking about putting an ///M318i badge on my car...oh yeah...my car has an I/C because it actually needs one...nobody respects a poseur...

But then wouldn't you be a poseur? ;)

seriously i would expect a little bit more respect from you FI guys but i guess you're a bunch of cocky sarcastic people. when people ask for help or advice that's all they ask for not ridicule, it's not like i've even done it. Not everyone knows everything, they learn by asking right? Hey maybe one day i might convince myself to go FI but my only question was

#1. could i put an intercooler on a N/A M3?
#2. If so are there any benefits?
#3. If i can't install then please tell me why.

Moderators i think this is a simple request for answers, not trying to get myself flamed as there is no reason to.

Don't let the rotten apples put you off.

1. Yes you absolutely can put an intercooler on a naturally aspirated M3
2. There are huge benefits, mostly to your prowess as a lover and some side benefits in your ability to speak in a hip manner
3. See 1.

Don't let others put you down. You can't help being a complete knob ornament.

well there's a decent answer to my question, looks like if i want to get an Intercooler i better go FI. no need to add any extra weight to front if there is no benefits. that's all i need to know.

How about a wide band to go with that intercooler....the #'s flashing would impress your significant others. :)

yes you can fit a intercooler
it will have a negative affect on your throttle response and power output.
therefore you SHOULDN'T.

if you want a intercooler for the look, you wont look cool when you pop the hood - and there is no turbo.
two options that i can see.
1) Get a turbo and intercooler.
2) Get a big alloy radiator and pretend it is a fully done NA.

How bout adding a boost gauge to your A Pillar... You could change the scale, so that the 20" of vacuum you pull at idle reads 0 on the boost scale, and then every decrease in vacuum would appear as a boost increase! :D That would help lend credibility to your intercooler.. How bout stuffing an Aquamist water injection pump in there at the same time.. Dont need to have it connected to a water source either, or any electronics.. Just looks good sitting there. Why not stuff a nitrous bottle in the trunk too?! :)

WOW :help :eek:

WOW :help :eek:

I agree. I love when you guys are assholes and all but...


1. Yes you can add an IC
2. No it wont do a goddamn thing and people will laugh at you when you have no FI
3. See 2

If you like the way it looks, just buy one off of e-bay and mount it. It doesn't have to do anything. Get an electric supercharger while your at it. Or you can buy a aluminum radiator and tell all your friends that its an intercooler.

If you like the way intercoolers look, you probably love the sound of a blowoff valve. Just record the sound and program an ipod to turn on when you deaccelerate. Why pay for performance when looks are enough?
:lol :lol :lol

Well he asked for it.

leave promptly

But then wouldn't you be a poseur? ;)

Technically...yes...but a poseur with legit moves :stickoutt

Kenny's point is correct, an intercooler greatly enhances your abilities as a lover and to speak in a hip manner, such as "dat's mad tyte yooo!!!!!111!!!111oneone"

YO, INTERCOOLER IS DA SHIT. I PUT ONE ON MY 3.2 AND GOT 30 HP WITH NO TURBO, NOW ALL YOU NEED IS BOV. THEY GOT THIS TIGHT ONE THAT IS SUPER LOUD BC THE SPEAKER IS REAL BIG, THATS WHAT YOU NEED.

YO, INTERCOOLER IS DA SHIT. I PUT ONE ON MY 3.2 AND GOT 30 HP WITH NO TURBO, NOW ALL YOU NEED IS BOV. THEY GOT THIS TIGHT ONE THAT IS SUPER LOUD BC THE SPEAKER IS REAL BIG, THATS WHAT YOU NEED.
You goober :lol This poor guy was uneducated about the purpose of IC's and we go an flame him. :rolleyes Seriously, if anyone wants the "LOOK" of a front mount get that intake I showed in a previous post. ;)
~Phil

haha

Why pay for performance when looks are enough?

like i said, i know nothing of FI . not trying to rice out my car in any way, it's a very clean car with tasteful mods(a total sleeper minus the euro clears).
A fake intercooler is about as rice as you can get. As for a tastefull mod, without the rest of the hardware it will make you a looser. I'm surprised you don't want the MAD MAX fake blower hangin out of the hood. Spend your money on the Euro clears. ///J.T.///

u guys are doing him a favor. now he won't waste his $ nor will he be laughed at IN PERSON.

your post count is low so it's ok to register as a new user. we won't be any wiser.

I guess everyone on this forum was just born knowing everything. The guy or gal was just asking a question, I never thought anyone would think of such a thing but he was just asking. So here's somewhat of an answer as I know how to put it.

No, putting an intercooler on your N/A car will not yeild any gains whatsoever. It may look cool, but as you can see you would be made fun of much more than it would be worth. Just save a little more money and buy a 75 wet shot of nitrous and beat most of the people that flamed you on this forum. Just consult a knowledgable person, or several, before going on with any modifications to your car.
The reason people have intercoolers on FI cars is because when the turbo or supercharger sucks up air at say 80F if it is 80F outside, then the turbo compresses it and heats it up to say 120F. Then the charge flows through the intercooler that is being cooled by that outside air at 80F, say cooling it down to 100F. However, on an N/A car if you sucked up air at 80F then ran it through an intercooler that has 80F air blowing on it, no cooling will take place. You can't cool 80F air with 80F air. So it would not help at all.

looks like if i want to get an Intercooler i better go FI.

Makes sense to me. Most people go forced induction in order that they can get an intercooler :eyecrazy

Just too bad you have to add all that complicated and spendy incidental stuff, especially since most of it is hidden beneath the hood....

Neil

Just trying to show em how much they will be laughed at , seemed to work. :stickoutt ///J.T.///

haha that was mean...

yet, it's almost impossible not to laugh...

i think ViS makes a fake FMIC out of fiberglass or something...that way you can add the look you're striving for and not add too much weight to the front..

if you do go the FI route...and you dont want to add too much weight...Tube & Fin IC's are lighter than Bar & Plate...but Bar & Plate can be more efficient...there are trade off's

it's your car, do whatever makes you happy...but be aware, you will get crapped on...obviously you know, if you've read anything up to here

:rofl

im not usually one to flame people but seriously, clean it up

We did a water/ice to air intercooler on a pro gas flatbottom we were building motors for back in 1985. Any way on the dyno it picked up 12 HP when it was running 40 deg h2o in it. Now keep in mind that this is 500 cu in 15.6-1 and made 1009 hp with out and 1021 with. All it seemed to do was to allow me to go a little harder on the tuneup before detonation. the added weight of the unit in the boat offset any gain and the project was scrapped. So, yes you could add it, it will do nothing at all and probably slow the car down and god knows how the air speed would be affected with all that pipe.

If you like that look you can find an oil cooler that would look about the same and would help you out by keeping your oil temps down. Anything you can do to keep oil temps lower will help keep your engine happy.
At least you would get some functionality out of it too.

It is your car so do whatever you want to with it. Nothing wrong with bling as we all some some bling on our cars...

Woah, so many a-holes here. He asked IF THERE WERE ANY BENIFITS OF ADDING A INTERCOOLER. Not "what do you think of adding a non-fuctional intercooler for the looks." Why should he get flamed for that? 99% of people here has a spoiler for no other reason besides for looks. Guess that makes you all ricers too eh?


Serious would you flame someone for asking "on a stock engine, will adding bigger fuel injectors help any?" I really doubt it, but it is the same freaking question.

And shit, how do you know his intake isn't a shortram with no shield or rounted right next to the exhaust manifold, where a intercooler might actually help for his NA car?

and the "why not mount a wideband too"

actually a wideband isn't just for turbo, any n/a modded car can benifit from a wideband. Fine tuning a highly modded NA car will require one.

Woah, so many a-holes here. He asked IF THERE WERE ANY BENIFITS OF ADDING A INTERCOOLER. Not "what do you think of adding a non-fuctional intercooler for the looks." Why should he get flamed for that? 99% of people here has a spoiler for no other reason besides for looks. Guess that makes you all ricers too eh?


Serious would you flame someone for asking "on a stock engine, will adding bigger fuel injectors help any?" I really doubt it, but it is the same freaking question.

And shit, how do you know his intake isn't a shortram with no shield or rounted right next to the exhaust manifold, where a intercooler might actually help for his NA car?

and the "why not mount a wideband too"

actually a wideband isn't just for turbo, any n/a modded car can benifit from a wideband. Fine tuning a highly modded NA car will require one.
Knob Ornament II: The Obfuscation.

Some BMW's came with spoilers from the factory. They have been tested to work.

I'm very new to this forum, i'm somewhat more on the dtmpower forum though, .

This is where I stopped reading ...

Ive seen civics in my area driving around with fence like material in their air ducts. If you glance at it and look away really fast it looks like an intercooler :eyecrazy . This can be purchased at any local Home Depo for $0.99/square foot. :buttrock

This is where I stopped reading ...
Hey, whats wrong w/ us DTM guys. I was actually linked to Bf.c from a fellow DTM'er ;)
~Phil

old school dtm here

whats sad is that he has decided to go FI, just to get the intercooler look.

You mounting an intercooler that serves no purpose is like puting a big wing on a front wheel drive car.

If you like the way it looks, just buy one off of e-bay and mount it. It doesn't have to do anything. Get an electric supercharger while your at it. Or you can buy a aluminum radiator and tell all your friends that its an intercooler.

If you like the way intercoolers look, you probably love the sound of a blowoff valve. Just record the sound and program an ipod to turn on when you deaccelerate. Why pay for performance when looks are enough?LOL!!! :eyecrazy :lol

What if he drives around with the intercooler in the trunk? That would be a total sleeper. Just put a M5 badge on the car and be done with it. That way we all know the true power the car produces.You guys are killing me! :lol

Just save a little more money and buy a 75 wet shot of nitrous and beat most of the people that flamed you on this forum. Yea and then KABOOM!! :eek: :eyecrazy :nono :D

This is the reason why you use the search bottom prior to making a post....This forum is very resourceful as long as you know how to use it.

Yea and then KABOOM!! :eek: :eyecrazy :nono :D


Don't make a statement that you know nothing about. A 75 wet shot on a M3 engine will not hurt your motor any more than 75 extra horses via a supercharger. I had a 328 with a 75 shot and used it for about 50K miles sometimes a bottle in a week and sold my car with 150K still running great. Just because you see imports doing it doesn't mean that it is an unreliable source of power. I know I'm not the biggest fan of nitrous, I kinda feel it is cheating as well, but hop on the dyno and push the button see if it actually makes more power. It is actually quite fun pushing the button, kinda like hitting boost just a little more abrupt.

This is what they would call an Interfooler.

:rofl

So lame.

Woah, so many a-holes here. He asked IF THERE WERE ANY BENIFITS OF ADDING A INTERCOOLER. Not "what do you think of adding a non-fuctional intercooler for the looks." Why should he get flamed for that? 99% of people here has a spoiler for no other reason besides for looks. Guess that makes you all ricers too eh?


Serious would you flame someone for asking "on a stock engine, will adding bigger fuel injectors help any?" I really doubt it, but it is the same freaking question.

And shit, how do you know his intake isn't a shortram with no shield or rounted right next to the exhaust manifold, where a intercooler might actually help for his NA car?

and the "why not mount a wideband too"

actually a wideband isn't just for turbo, any n/a modded car can benifit from a wideband. Fine tuning a highly modded NA car will require one.



:lol

I agree 110%. There was no need to be an a$$ when someone is trying to learn something. This forum is changing for the worst. It is sad when one has to be cautious when asking a question on this forum. If you can't add something to someone's knowledge then maybe you should just keep the BS to yourself.

it doesnt take more than 30 seconds on google to find out there is no benifit. It is sad when you want to add something that you don't know what it does.

:lol

I agree 110%. There was no need to be an a$$ when someone is trying to learn something. This forum is changing for the worst. It is sad when one has to be cautious when asking a question on this forum. If you can't add something to someone's knowledge then maybe you should just keep the BS to yourself.
He already knew the answer to his question. Just wanted some support for his half-brained idea. You can't tell me that he didn't know what the result would be.

No, intercooler will not do anything more than a cold air intake.

I thought it was a legitimate question for a newbie?
If you all think about it, having 18” or 19” wheels yields the same result.
Heavier rims, more rotation mess, will mostly likely slow the car down.
Handling? Come on…how many guys with 19” have you seen at the track?
So is that rice? :confused

But I have to admit…having intercooler with no FI is…something new… :D

i noticed a lot of replies since i last read this topic. but honestly when i asked this question i really didn't know what the answer would be. searching for the topic wasn't helping because the search button led to all sort of different topics and how do you ask a question like this when you search? just wanna say thanks to the people who gave me some information and the "finger" for all the people trying to putting me down. i guess everyone is born knowing about FI... actually i take that back, i don't care who you are, you were all once noobs when it came to FI so i'm at the same spot where some of you people started... case closed.

I recieved a direct port nitrous kit for my big wheel when I was 4. I didn't get into f/i until I was about 8 or 9.

This thread RULES!! Momma, I want an interfooler! :lol

damn...you guys dont have to be that harsh...

i know a m3 is a na car and has nothing to do with FI but how did you get one without knowing what an intercooler is most, people who get m3s know cars hence why they bought a bmw, and a lot of people like myself dream of owning an m3 but since my daddy didnt buy me one like im guessing yours did, which is the reasonfor your complete lack of knowlege of anything except BLING . How did you learn what an intercooler was without knowing the purpose? Did you see one go by and said that looked cool but that leaves the question of how did you learn the name? have you never asked anyone who remotely knows cars about one, even a ricer?
seriously i try not to flamed anyone on this forum in fact i hate it but i have no respect for a 16 year old who had an m3 dropped in his lap and wants to make it look cooler, as fast as possible without reading at all, and is actually contemplating going fi for the intercooler, makes a kid like myself who busts his bawls to buy a 325is because i couldnt afford an m3 really appreciate my knowlegde because though i may not be a rich boy but i dont sound like a total jackass.

I recieved a direct port nitrous kit for my big wheel when I was 4. I didn't get into f/i until I was about 8 or 9.

I have you beat...My Little Tykes Cozy Coupe I had when I was 2 was juiced...Mostly apple, but cranberry if I had a cold.

i know a m3 is a na car and has nothing to do with FI but how did you get one without knowing what an intercooler is most, people who get m3s know cars hence why they bought a bmw, and a lot of people like myself dream of owning an m3 but since my daddy didnt buy me one like im guessing yours did, which is the reasonfor your complete lack of knowlege of anything except BLING . How did you learn what an intercooler was without knowing the purpose? Did you see one go by and said that looked cool but that leaves the question of how did you learn the name? have you never asked anyone who remotely knows cars about one, even a ricer?
seriously i try not to flamed anyone on this forum in fact i hate it but i have no respect for a 16 year old who had an m3 dropped in his lap and wants to make it look cooler, as fast as possible without reading at all, and is actually contemplating going fi for the intercooler, makes a kid like myself who busts his bawls to buy a 325is because i couldnt afford an m3 really appreciate my knowlegde because though i may not be a rich boy but i dont sound like a total jackass.


just to let you know an E36 M3 was always my dream car, my first car that i bought was a 1995 318isA, and just a few months ago i bought an E36 M3. i'm not a little kid, i'm 22 already so please grow up with your insults, i can afford to buy my own rides thank you very much. so F*** off please! :buttrock

if i have to pull up the rules i will:

You can have differing opinions and perspectives, and discuss them like adults without it getting heated, without flames, name-calling, threats, excessive profanity, or personal attacks, digs, or jabs, and have it be an informative debate. I know you can, cuz I've seen it done here before.

DO NOT RESPOND IN KIND AND SERVE TO FURTHER FAN THE FLAMES-- that makes you as guilty as the instigator, and you will all have action taken against your accounts, as a result. Be a big man and walk away, or at the very least be an intelligent man and don't allow yourself to be sucked in or baited into a pissing match, because all involved will suffer the consequences (it takes 2 to tango, so if you feel the need to defend yourself, your position, or a friend, make sure you do so without stooping the level of the unacceptable behavior described above).

It's called RESPECT and MATURITY. And any further demonstration showing a lack of either of those, will result in action being taken against the offender(s) account(s) here.


i'll admit i'm a noob to any sort of tuning, but at least i own an E36 M3 and will go out asking questions, even if they seem a little weird or dumb just to learn something new so i don't make mistakes or look like a bigger fool in the future. the first few flames are ok, but it's made it's point. so please Admins close or delete this topic, it's obvious that people in the FI section are #1 insensitive, #2 unhelpful, and #3 Not Mature enough to end this flaming on topic.

uhhhhhh....... :shifty

This has to be the worst thread this forum has ever seen. entertaining though :) .

bump for a funny topic

just make sure you buy an intercooler designed for the northern hemisphere, otherwise the airflow will go backwards, and that would suck

whoa hoo bimmerforums is totally awesome...look at all these idiots argueing like bitches ahaha

shut up david. ur not a 325 owner anymore. change your cars you dirty pirate hooker

I agree just as much as the next guy that it is a stupid idea, but damn. You guys are bruital! hehe, will serve him well tho, he would caught all this in person had he done it.

I reckon you get some benefit from running the air intake into the intercooler, and then into the manifold. Better than ram-induction. Better than cutting air vents into the bonnet for the same purpose. Plus you would have some of the equipment when you do FI

If you going to do all that plumbing, might as well get FI!!!

I saw a civic with a intercooler hung by wire coat hangers at a local car meet. It wasn't hooked to anything and could see the opening in the end tanks on both sides. Wow, we laghed pretty hard that night.

I think the question remains though, how does somone who has seen and knows what an intercooler is called, not know anything about its function? How can you talk to someone about one with grasping why its there?

I too was a newb at one point, but I spent most of my time reading, watching and learning so I didn't make mistakes like this.

oh, and yes I ahve 18" in wheels instead of tthe factory 17", because they are indeed lighter, wider, and have less roatational inertia than that stockers, therefore INCREASING oerformance.

Delete.

oh, and yes I ahve 18" in wheels instead of tthe factory 17", because they are indeed lighter, wider, and have less roatational inertia than that stockers, therefore INCREASING oerformance.[/QUOTE]

AFAIK 18's are know to impact handling over 17's, but technology improves... How much wider are they?

In the context of this thread... i just can't resist. ;)

I too was a newb at one pointperhaps still are a bit?? hmm? If not, then why would you make...
mistakes like this.
:stickoutt ;)
oh, and yes I ahve 18" in wheels instead of tthe factory 17", because they are indeed lighter, wider, and have less roatational inertia than that stockers, therefore INCREASING oerformance.
show me the math. :devillook

they are 8.5 front and 9.5 rear

In the context of this thread... i just can't resist. ;)

perhaps still are a bit?? hmm? If not, then why would you make...

:stickoutt ;)

show me the math. :devillook
umm, no, I am not a newb.

I do not have the calculations, so I will make an amendment, since you seem to always try and pick apart anything people say then spend 10000 lines of text to back it up. I know you are pretty knowledgeable, but it does get real old.

The dead weight goes from about 24 pounds down to about 16.5 pounds (not directly related to rotational inertia, but shows the wieght difference). I would say the inertia is actually close to the stock wheel, maybe not much better. Heck, lets say I'm wrong and its a slight bit worse. I would still take the tradeoff because of the dead wieght reduction and the larger tires I run on the car. If I had a good weight distribution of the wheel I could do an apporximation for you, or if you would like to provide me with the solid models of the wheels (I dont feel like making them myself), I can analyze it and give you exact numbers. Dont forget, you have to consider the 1/2 inch radial tire mass to account for the same diameter, because otherwise, you would be wrong in boundary conditions.

they are 8.5 front and 9.5 rear


umm, no, I am not a newb.

I do not have the calculations, so I will make an amendment, since you seem to always try and pick apart anything people say then spend 10000 lines of text to back it up. I know you are pretty knowledgeable, but it does get real old.

The dead weight goes from about 24 pounds down to about 16.5 pounds (not directly related to rotational inertia, but shows the wieght difference). I would say the inertia is actually close to the stock wheel, maybe not much better. Heck, lets say I'm wrong and its a slight bit worse. I would still take the tradeoff because of the dead wieght reduction and the larger tires I run on the car. If I had a good weight distribution of the wheel I could do an apporximation for you, or if you would like to provide me with the solid models of the wheels (I dont feel like making them myself), I can analyze it and give you exact numbers. Dont forget, you have to consider the 1/2 inch radial tire mass to account for the same diameter, because otherwise, you would be wrong in boundary conditions.

The post was meant in a joking tone. I hope you didn't take it seriously. If so, then I apologize.

wheel mass itself only changes the *effort* required to control it in bump/rebound. The inertia of the wheel/tire package is more affected by mass location than the total mass. I'm sure you were already aware of that though. I'm just a bit picky when it comes to technical statements that may not be true. :)

leave promptly

+1

The post was meant in a joking tone. I hope you didn't take it seriously. If so, then I apologize.

wheel mass itself only changes the *effort* required to control it in bump/rebound. The inertia of the wheel/tire package is more affected by mass location than the total mass. I'm sure you were already aware of that though. I'm just a bit picky when it comes to technical statements that may not be true. :)
understood, after the tone of this thread, its easy to get defensive.

Since this thread is basically pointless now, I will take it a little (ok alot) OT. Are you going to be a Daytona for the Rolex24? I am in Jax and will probably go down for a while. If you wanna meet up let me know.