View Full Version : M3 and 325is vs. 2005 RSX
BiMMa b0i M3 08-21-2005, 10:48 PM Nismo Skyline and I were on El Toro Rd in Lake Forest/Mission Viejo area when at the light, Nismo was behind me. I noticed a charcoal grey 05 RSX on to my right. at the light, I take off pretty well (not as well as I wanted to), and then I noticed by the time I shifted from 1st to 2nd he was way behind. but at 3rd gear I was cruisin and so was Nismo. all of the sudden the RSX began speeding up, next thing you know I saw Nismo's M3 in my rear view mirror just zooming by, and the RSX on my right. he was pretty close about 0.5 car lengths behind me, and the M3 was already in front. then I went from 3rd to 4th, brought it up to about 70mph, then the M3 began braking hard. at the time I didnt care, and I wanted the kill. while being in 4th gear. I pulled about 1 car length ahead of him. next thing you know he pulled about 0.5 car lengths in front of me. then I shifted in 5th gear. and I pulled ahead of him, then he finally gave up, and he seemed kinda pissed. in total I was going about 110mph before I got the kill, but in my opinion it wasnt too bad, not that bad of job for teamwork between me and Nismo Skyline.
giterdone 08-22-2005, 07:55 AM you shifted to 4th before 70mph? :confused
Also, that RSX was definately not modded. Good kill none the less. But if he did some of the basic mods, he'd be beating you no problem (not saying utterly destroying, but would win everytime).
DTM325PWR 08-22-2005, 12:21 PM i have never noticed this but is that a right hand drive bimmer in you sig
nismo skyline 08-22-2005, 12:30 PM yea we tag teamed him pretty bad. once i realized it was no competition i lifted off and started braking. it was still fun though
giterdone 08-22-2005, 12:31 PM i have never noticed this but is that a right hand drive bimmer in you sig
haha no, people always ask. Notice the blue tint to the whole picture? and also what looks like dirt/smudges all over the lense? Well it was taken by my friend, in his driver side mirror as we were driving down I-270 heading back to VA. me being the lazy person I am, never used photoshop to mirror the image, to make it look correct. :)
But damn that would be cool if it was right hand drive eh? :D
BiMMa b0i M3 08-22-2005, 03:05 PM yeah i wasnt quite paying attention to it at first, my rpms was through the roof. but none the less it was fun. even though the RSX is not modded, it is still very fast
JETninja 08-22-2005, 03:23 PM Hey, nice Kill......But I live in MV. That stuff should be on the freeway....or down in Laguna Hills! :D
jiggynites 08-22-2005, 03:27 PM good kill man, I know modded those RSX are fast on top , if you add just the dc cold air intake you gain 18whp and 12lbs :eek:
giterdone 08-22-2005, 03:54 PM good kill man, I know modded those RSX are fast on top , if you add just the dc cold air intake you gain 18whp and 12lbs :eek:
seems extremely optimistic even for a honda.
But I know doing I/H/E/Hondata 4 they are just barely slower than an e36 m3.
BiMMa b0i M3 08-22-2005, 05:26 PM good kill man, I know modded those RSX are fast on top , if you add just the dc cold air intake you gain 18whp and 12lbs :eek:
i dont think any CAI system can punch out 18whp, its bullshit. the most a CAI system can punch is like 5-6whp if your lucky. a buddy of mine has an 02 RSX-S, and he has a motegi exhaust, custom straight pipe, aem intake, and headers (not sure which) but he is barely pushing 230hp, and the car stock is 200hp
giterdone 08-22-2005, 05:30 PM i dont think any CAI system can punch out 18whp, its [B]&&&&B] the most a
I agree with your statement. But profanity is against the rules.
atakm 08-22-2005, 07:59 PM ...that RSX was definately not modded... if he did some of the basic mods, he'd be beating you no problem (not saying utterly destroying, but would win everytime).killjoy. :rolleyes
that statement works both ways :embarrasm Both engines can be modded pretty well.
jiggynites 08-22-2005, 08:50 PM i dont think any CAI system can punch out 18whp, its bullshit. the most a CAI system can punch is like 5-6whp if your lucky. a buddy of mine has an 02 RSX-S, and he has a motegi exhaust, custom straight pipe, aem intake, and headers (not sure which) but he is barely pushing 230hp, and the car stock is 200hp
sorry man its the truth, I wish my 318 would react that good to a cold air intake. on a integra gsr cold air intake adds 2.5whp on a honda civic si it was 4whp as the dynos show on import tunner. on the rsx type S honda for some reason restricted the sh!t out of the intake. now from the magazine import tunners
dc sports cold air intake 18whp 8lbs on the 02-04 models, injen 12whp 8lbs on 05+ models,IM not making this up, you can check the magazine yourself. check out this car with just intake,headers,exhaust, honda dyno tuned
32whp gain
http://forums.clubrsx.com/showthread.php?t=303900
this is "the great intake test" also stock they make 169-172whp 120-120lbs for reference
http://performance.clubrsx.com/intaketest2.html
giterdone 08-22-2005, 09:20 PM killjoy. :rolleyes
that statement works both ways :embarrasm Both engines can be modded pretty well.
Oh i know. I normally roll my eyes at statements like that. But the Hondas react much better to mods than our cars. Also the I/H/E/Hondata 4 is commonly done. On nearly 90% of them on the road, when owned by a person with a full time job. THey dont' even need headers. I/E/Hondata 4 make it pretty damn quick. I raced an RSX-S from about 40 to about 90 and I didn't pull hard at all. He had either I/H/E/Hondata or I/E/Hondata.
BiMMa b0i M3 08-22-2005, 10:17 PM out of all of the years that i have been into the import scene, i havent heard of any company getting anywhere near 10whp on cai even with hondas. if that were the case, then everyone would be getting those particular brands. and those dyno numbers was prolly not off cai alone, it was prolly chipped with other mods in there as well.
giterdone 08-22-2005, 10:42 PM out of all of the years that i have been into the import scene, i havent heard of any company getting anywhere near 10whp on cai even with hondas. if that were the case, then everyone would be getting those particular brands. and those dyno numbers was prolly not off cai alone, it was prolly chipped with other mods in there as well.
wekll many CAIs claim 10whp (dyno proven) for the e36 m3. I take that with a grain of salt. But they say it is true. ECIS is one of hte many companies. But the one I can think of off hand.
BiMMa b0i M3 08-23-2005, 02:51 PM ECIS has the euro HFM, that is the only one that I have seen, many companies claim their hp, but it also depends on many different variables, and it also depends on which dyno they used, different dynos punch out different numbers.
oh and your original claim about dc sports cai, i went to their website, and they dont have cai, aem is the one that carries it
on the 02 honda civic the aem cai only gives 4.5hp/5.4 ft/lb according to their stats
03 honda civic 2.2hp/2.0 ft/lb
and also keep in mind, these are with just cai and aem corrected horsepower, so it is not that accurate as well.
m3chaser 08-23-2005, 03:14 PM i know i am new,but i have had many street races and seen alot of bad drivers. I have raced a couple of rsx-s and only lost to one. the reason that i lost to the one fella is cause i had two tool boxes about half full in my trunk and my maf was shot as was my o2 sensor. now as we all know in street racing anything can happen because of very good drivers and very bad ones. i can speak from experience after driving an rsx-s that it doesn't have the balls that my car has, but to each his own.
giterdone 08-23-2005, 03:39 PM i know i am new,but i have had many street races and seen alot of bad drivers. I have raced a couple of rsx-s and only lost to one. the reason that i lost to the one fella is cause i had two tool boxes about half full in my trunk and my maf was shot as was my o2 sensor. now as we all know in street racing anything can happen because of very good drivers and very bad ones. i can speak from experience after driving an rsx-s that it doesn't have the balls that my car has, but to each his own.
I'd say the RSX-S is probably faster than your car. it may not feel as fast due to lack of torque, but I'd be willing to guess, given equal drivers, the RSX-S is faster 0-60 and 1/4 mile. They can be launched pretty well, and with Vtec they are actually pretty powerful. They jsut don't have the "suck you into your seat" torque feeling.
m3chaser 08-23-2005, 04:28 PM what is the rsx-s supposed to do 0-60 and in a 1/4?
m3chaser 08-23-2005, 04:29 PM oh yeah, one more thing giterdone.................... i am gonna rape your car if i ever see it parked cause it is soooo freakin hot! :D
m3chaser 08-23-2005, 04:36 PM hey giterdone, i just did a little research on the rsx-s ( 03 ) and found that they are supposed to turn a 1/4 in 15.1 and 60 in 6.7
GoodOlSappy 08-23-2005, 04:48 PM hey giterdone, i just did a little research on the rsx-s ( 03 ) and found that they are supposed to turn a 1/4 in 15.1 and 60 in 6.7
the 05 RSX-s has something like 240hp
i raced my friends and he walked me
EBM3/4 08-23-2005, 04:50 PM When I first got my 95 it was bone stock and I raced a modded RSX-S on the freeway from 60-115 and I only had about 2 car lengths on him by the end. I was kinda dissapointed by this, but I guess they aren't too far apart performance wise from what I'm reading. It definitely wasn't a slaughter, I VERY slowly pulled on him. After that, I drove an 05' type S just to see and they are fast! Not as fast as my teg (SC'd), but still pretty respectable. I've also heard that the newer ones react very well to intakes for some reason.
m3chaser 08-23-2005, 04:51 PM oh boy! i have definitely not raced an 05 yet. perhaps i will get the camshafts and headers in before i do race one :D . hey slappy, you got any mods on your 325is?
EBM3/4 08-23-2005, 04:52 PM the 05 RSX-s has something like 240hp
i raced my friends and he walked me
Up til 04' they had 200hp and 05s had 210 hp, not 240. The 06s have back down to 201 hp. Kinda strange that only one year had the 210hp motor. I was very close to buying an 05 just cuz of the cool styling updates and better mechanicals. Still need an LSD badly tho.
m3chaser 08-23-2005, 05:03 PM what are the 05's supposed to do in a 1/4 and 0-60? anyone know?
giterdone 08-23-2005, 05:05 PM what is the rsx-s supposed to do 0-60 and in a 1/4?
no clue.
oh yeah, one more thing giterdone.................... i am gonna rape your car if i ever see it parked cause it is soooo freakin hot!
Haha, thanks. :D
hey giterdone, i just did a little research on the rsx-s ( 03 ) and found that they are supposed to turn a 1/4 in 15.1 and 60 in 6.7
You know more than me. I was never sure, just speculating. I know they are decently quick. But the one I raced, I barely beat, and I'm sure would take a 328 or anythign with a smaller engine (3 series wise). Not sure about on the launch, but at least up top. THey are pretty damn good. Although I am not a fan of acura or the RSX, I still have to give it some respect.
Zen S14 08-23-2005, 05:13 PM The 05s run 14.6 stock and decent driver. Traps at around 95mph.
m3chaser 08-23-2005, 05:19 PM i don't know if you would believe this, but i have had my car to 145mph on Interstate 95 against an SMG Z4, which beat me handly i might add. i don't like to lose, but what do i expect when i go up against a 3.0 Z4 :D . everytime i raced against an rsx-s, my car seemed faster top end as well. i kept pulling even top end. again it could be that everyone that i raced was not pushing as hard as they could, that is always a possibility. and believe me i know that my car is not God's gift to the street, but it does well enough. i have a custom exhaust, intake, and jc chip in my car at the moment.
nismo skyline 08-23-2005, 05:19 PM damn the way i walked this one, it must of been a really crappy driver. i had a good 3-4 cl on him before i shut it down
m3chaser 08-23-2005, 05:22 PM hey Zen, where are you getting your numbers at? i am not being a punk, i am honestly curious.
m3chaser 08-23-2005, 05:24 PM hey nismo, your car is hot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! holy piss it's hot! :buttrock
humanless 08-23-2005, 06:02 PM i have an 02 rsx-s and i ran a 14.8 with a cold air
humanless 08-23-2005, 06:04 PM good kill man, I know modded those RSX are fast on top , if you add just the dc cold air intake you gain 18whp and 12lbs :eek:
noone i have ever heard of has ever gained 18 whp from an intake
flyimages 08-23-2005, 06:08 PM what are the 05's supposed to do in a 1/4 and 0-60? anyone know?
i believe 6.3-6.5 secs. pretty easy to get it faster with just a ecu reflash/tuned.
firstC 08-23-2005, 06:13 PM m3chaser
The RSX type S is pretty fast. Your 325is weighs about 300 hundred pounds heavier then the type S while giving up a few horsepower also. Being that your rear-wheel, you'll most likely take the type S off the line but the type S would take you out after the launch.
I know this because I did alot of research on the RSX type S before purchasing my M3/4. It was pretty much a toss up on which car I was going to buy.
firstC
firstC 08-23-2005, 06:22 PM EBM3/4
Just to CLEAR up some confusion on the new 2006 RSX TYPE S. 2006 has the same power as the 2005, but the SAE method for calculating hp has changed.
The 2006s & 2005s push out the same amount of HP. Acura did not remove nine horsepower on the new 2006s.
humanless 08-23-2005, 06:26 PM I wanted to say that but didnt know how to word it. Well done my friend !
m3ster 08-23-2005, 06:32 PM Up til 04' they had 200hp and 05s had 210 hp, not 240. The 06s have back down to 201 hp. Kinda strange that only one year had the 210hp motor. I was very close to buying an 05 just cuz of the cool styling updates and better mechanicals. Still need an LSD badly tho.
The 06 RSX-S has the same motor as the 05 and the same HP rating. Honda, as well as other manufactures, are using a different system to rate HP. If the 02-04 RSXs were measured using this new system they would be rated around 190 HP. There is a huge thread on this at clubrsx.com but I am too lazy to post a link.
As far as 0-60 and 1/4 times C&D tested an 05 0-60 in 6.1 or 6.2 and the 1.4 in high 14s. They are not the quickest 210 HP cars because of the lack of torque, but after 7000 rpm they wake up.
I went from an E36 M3 to an 05 RSX-S last December and I still miss my M3 everyday. The RSX-S is nice, but it is no M. It handles very well for a stock FWD car, very predictable. Like I said above it is quick above 7000 rpm, but pretty lame below that. After I broke the car in properly I took my wife for a ride. She said "It makes a lot of noise but doesn't really go that fast." She was used to my M3 and my dad's M5, though. I haven't modded it, and don't plan to. I would rather spend my mod money on a different car. I bought the car because it has Honda reliability and it is sporty. In a year or so I will get rid of it and hopefully get an E46 M3 or a C5 Z06. The resale of RSXs has been pretty good, and hopefully will get better because I believe 06 is the last year for the RSX/Integra (the Civic Si is replacing it).
Anyway, I hope that helps answer some questions.
firstC 08-23-2005, 06:34 PM Don't thank me, thank krystar from www.clubrsx.com. There are alot of members over there on that forum that know there stuf when it comes to modifying the RSX.
iluvzhp3 08-23-2005, 06:35 PM hello all....im a noob to this forum, but i was over at clubrsx and someone referenced this thread, so i figured i'd come over to see what you had to say....just to clear the air about the type s, it is by no means a fast car, its quick up top, but still basically a high 14 low 15 second car....that said, it responds incredibly to basic bolt ons....cai will net you somewhere around 10-14hp to the wheels, but some might experience more especially on the 05's....the 05's respond even better to mods than the 02-04's which is crazy....its very simple to make the rsx-s a 14 second car, i/h/e/hondata #4 should put you around 14.1-2 or so, substitue hondata k-pro instead of the #4 reflash and you can pull high 13's with some decent tires....my S has just intake and hondata and i can keep up with my buddies 330zhp, its almost dead even, edge to the zhp in my opinion....stock for stock, S vs a bmw, i'd say best competition would be a 328, probably a drivers race....325 would probably get walked slowly up top, and although it is argued alot on our forum its a drivers race with a 330, i dont believe it, it might be semi close but i think the 330 has too much juice for the S....anyways hopefully i shed some light for you guys....oh yeah, 02-04 has 200hp, 05 210, 06 says 201 but thas cause of the new sae hp correction or something, its still the same engine as the 05....
m3chaser 08-23-2005, 06:47 PM hey first C, i respect your opinion and appreciate it. on paper that car might supposed to be faster then my car, i don't know. but on the street and with non- professional drivers it is always different. i am by no means saying that my car is faster then an rsx-s on paper, but i have lost only once in 7 races against rsx-s' and that run was unfair simply cause of what i stated earlier about my MAF and 02 sensor being bad and the tool boxes in the back of my car. the rsx-s is a great car and i love the way they look and sound with mods, and enjoy watching them drive down the road.
P.S. the fella that i lost too told me that his friend had a 93 325is and ran with him everytime..... i guess it all depends on the driver. someday when i have the time i will have my buddy videotape me in my car to show you what i am capable of( please don't take that as boasting, i just don't want you fella's to think i am some young punk who doesn't know how to drive :D )
nismo skyline 08-23-2005, 07:10 PM word the rsx-s do have good power up top, when he was coming on my right side he was pulling real fast. so i downshifted and tried to match his speed so when he came side by side it would be an even race. didnt work out and he got a slight edge, but once my rpms climbed it was clear which was faster. good times
m3chaser 08-23-2005, 07:12 PM nismo, i'm only gonna say this one more time......................... holy whore your car is hot!
m3chaser 08-23-2005, 07:15 PM nismo i see in your mods list that you have a cosmo's cai. how do you like it, and does it have a heatshield? how much did you pay for your carbon fiber hood and trunk, and is it hard to realize that it is carbon fiber? perhaps i should ask if it is obvious to see that it is carbon fiber?
nismo skyline 08-23-2005, 07:24 PM nismo i see in your mods list that you have a cosmo's cai. how do you like it, and does it have a heatshield? how much did you pay for your carbon fiber hood and trunk, and is it hard to realize that it is carbon fiber? perhaps i should ask if it is obvious to see that it is carbon fiber?
i love the intake, it doesnt have a heatshield. but its cheap and it makes power/noise so i cant complain.
the cf hood and trunk are not on the car yet. but hopefully by the end of the year everything will be on. on cosmos black cf is not so obvious, but when you get up close it does look nice.
m3chaser 08-23-2005, 07:33 PM nice... real nice :buttrock . my car doesn't have the heatshield either, but i hear that it really needs one. what i am gonna do is either get a heatshield from electrodyne, or just buy the complete setup from K&N for $200 off of ebay. i will prolly go with K&N cause apparently their nylon tubing resists heat better then the aluminum. i had my intake going all the way down into my front bumper, but it got dirty so quick..... loved the sound though. i shift outta 3rd goin 98 mph and that intake just screams. it is louder then my custom exhaust :buttrock
giterdone 08-23-2005, 07:33 PM nismo i see in your mods list that you have a cosmo's cai. how do you like it, and does it have a heatshield? how much did you pay for your carbon fiber hood and trunk, and is it hard to realize that it is carbon fiber? perhaps i should ask if it is obvious to see that it is carbon fiber?
I'm beginning to think you like cosmos e36 M3s. But one thing, don't post whore so much. Mods may end up looking down on it. But you are contributing to the thread alot.
But cosmos CAI does not have a heatshield. It is a "true" cold air intake. It goes down behind the bumper, not requiring a heat shield. it is an epic battle on which intake is better. My mechanic would not install my cosmos, he refused, he said he wont install that tyupe of intake on any bimmer in his shop. he will only do heatshield. I don't feel like typing all the reasons now, but I may later.
Just for hte record, dinan style (same as cosmos...."true") are the loudest intakes. But my Racing Dynamics (ram air with shield) is plenty loud once my rpms hit 4k, and it is perfect timing, for when my exhaust quiets down.
Also guys, what iluvzhp3 seems totally accurate, and seems to fit perfectly wit how the RSX-S was that I raced. iluvzhp3 I think his name was Avi. Not sure, I can't remember. I posted the story on clubrsx (seems to have been deleted at this point). But it turns out he was a banned user. But he was a NoVA member.
m3chaser 08-23-2005, 07:39 PM hey giterdone, i love your car too ;) ..... ahahaha. thanks for the heads up on the bad word thing, i will def watch it next time. i have had my intake all the way down in and then shorter as well. what i might do, now that i think about it, is get the heat shield from electrodyne and keep my intake all the way down in..... then i get the best of both worlds :alright
m3chaser 08-23-2005, 07:42 PM back to the subject at hand........ does everyone think i am a fool for saying that i have only lost once in 7 races against rsx-s'? :(
jiggynites 08-23-2005, 08:18 PM I believe you, but also most not all but most RSX drivers are young and new to driving so you probably raced the new drivers. The reason i say this is cause the RSX has the hp/weight/gear ratio advantage which would equal in a win over a 325 , only advantage you have is the launch with the torque and rear wheel drive but after that if his not a good driver he will loose, if he is he will shift properly and past you by the end of his 3rd gear. now the 328 would def be a better more equal race.
m3chaser 08-23-2005, 08:38 PM i have yet to race a 328, but i get have raced my buddies 97 M3 auto and have faired well against him. i when he was stock and i had just chip and intake, we both got to 120mph at the same point. now i have exhaust and he has an intake. my car is runnin real bad right now cause my MAF and o2 sensor is bad, so i haven't had a chance to take it to the same point yet. he has taken it back to that same point with his intake and got to 124mph with just intake, so i figure i should be able to get close to that. we will see :D
giterdone 08-23-2005, 08:45 PM m3chaser, you didn't say anything bad, I was saying you keep posting a ton. But I post whore too. :)
But I believe ya that you beat RSX-S (are you sure they were all RSX-S tho?) But high revving cars like that, normally can lose races easily, if the driver doesn't get the full potential out of the cars. If they don't run the rpms ALL the way up, when they shift, they may drop out of the VTEC power band, which kills their acceleration.
m3chaser 08-23-2005, 09:04 PM hey thanks giterdone :D. i appreciate the compliment very much. i did race a modded rsx( not s ) and beat him up real bad. i am talkin like 3 cls. and that was by the time that i got to 70mph. he had no clue how to drive, but he was a cool cat :buttrock
jiggynites 08-23-2005, 09:38 PM , if the driver doesn't get the full potential out of the cars. If they don't run the rpms ALL the way up, when they shift, they may drop out of the VTEC power band, which kills their acceleration.
wow you could not be anymore right man, when i had my integra GSR back in the days, when i was learning how to drive it , if i ever would fall out of vtec I would loose the race no matter what car i was racing against, the car will be very slow when you fall out of vtec (below 5500rpm) every gear you shift you must make sure the next gear lands above 5500 rpm. these cars are not forgiving cars if your not a experience driver. cause of the lack of torque you have to make very precise shifts on high rpms at all time to take advantage of the cars strong point.
EBM3/4 08-24-2005, 02:47 PM EBM3/4
Just to CLEAR up some confusion on the new 2006 RSX TYPE S. 2006 has the same power as the 2005, but the SAE method for calculating hp has changed.
The 2006s & 2005s push out the same amount of HP. Acura did not remove nine horsepower on the new 2006s.
Good to know. I figured it was pretty strange that they would remove hp after 1 year. I was just goin off the specs on Acura's home page. I'll have to read up on the new method.
rhysgoehring 08-24-2005, 02:59 PM i have yet to see an 05 s that hasnt run in the 14s stock, i doubt he was even trying
m3chaser 08-24-2005, 03:37 PM hey danville, what year is your type S?
mecbain 08-24-2005, 04:35 PM I've run a rsx type S (before 2005) in my 325i in 2nd and 3rd gear it was pretty close, but the type S was edging me off, I did have like 2 passangers with me so that probably didn't help, next light when he saw me launching like a bat out of hell he just let off after 1st gear.
bimeralex 09-17-2005, 12:49 AM I also raced RSX type S recently from o to about 70 and took him by about half a car,
i have a 325is modified: bavarian chip, exhaust,, rest unknown,
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