Guys I wanted to ask you what ya'll think about the Audi RS4. Just yesterday, I met one on the HWY. Exchanged glances and we were off. We started at about 70-75 and I stoped when I hit about 110, only because I had 3-4 car lengths on the guy. I know that I didn't take the jump, I always let the other go before me.
What boggled me the most was that I started it in 4th and not third.

On the 2nd run, while I'm waiting for him to catch up, I slowed down to 60, and put it in 3th this time. He had about a 20mph head start and he came up on my rear, to do a fly by. I didn't hit it until he was about a car length behind me and still accelerating. He didnt' get more than his rear bumper ahead of me, before I pulled him back. I managed to leave enough space before I changed lanes to pass a big rig.

In the end I call one of my firends that knows a bit about non-BMW cars and told him the story. He was somewhat impress at the results. More than I was. Honstly it felt like I was N/A again and taking on a 2002 A4. Really it was that bad, and I'm not at all exagerating. Granted he had to be stock, but I've hear in the grapevine that the RS4 is supposed to be a fast car. After yesterday I was seriously diapointed.

Any comments?

BTW I have it on video. Only catch is that it is taken off of my HMS harnessbar and I/O camera mount. If any of you guys know, that setup is realy a track set up, you only record what you see infront of you. So in the video you don't see the position of the RS4 or how bad I reeled him in. You do get to see though, the point were I had to pass him to get infront of the big rid, and then the Highway pork on the side of the road :) .




Juker008

You're mistaking the RS4 for the RS6. You can handle the RS4 with your power level now.


Watch out for the RS6, though.

Ahhhhhhhh, that explains alot. WOW thanks, greatly apreciate it. Yea I was very dispointed in out come. Shit I oly wish I got a shot of it on the camera...wait I think I did. I'll check tonight.

BTW are the trunk badges the same style/color? That red/blue strip. The only difference between the 4 and the 6 badges are the numbers?

Thanks again,



Juker008

the RS4 is about the size of a 3 series and the RS6 is like the 5 series

nice runs, its about what I would expect

the RS4 is about the size of a 3 series and the RS6 is like the 5 series

nice runs, its about what I would expect


There is no USA version of the RS4, it is an Avant (Wagon) and has 380BHP and is very FAST - 0-60 4.9 1/4 13.1 and with a little mods is a monster 500+HP. http://www.fast-autos.net/audi/audirs4.html

They are going to bring the new RS4 to the states this year http://www.rsportscars.com/eng/cars/audi_rs4.asp it will have over 400HP NA, still won't be able to compete with the new M3...

I have no idea what you raced but most RS4 conversion here are S4's with RS4 parts stage 3 or better running 12 flat 1/4 or better, so my guess is it was someone with just a badge, possibly A4?

Now I am not sure, but your car sounds fast, so after I posted the links are you saying that you raced the *NEW* RS4? I am not even sure they are stateside yet. And again I am not sure what you are running so if you do live in europe and you raced and killed an RS4 waggon then NICE KILL!!

Edit ** I just noticed your power #'s NICE!! You would definately give any Stage 3 S4 a good run for the money, a properly tuned Stage 3 S4 will put down 380+WHP and 370 + WTQ but probably weigh more. Also did you notice if the car had a wide body kit on it?

I could be wrong here, but the RS4 is not available in the US. Maybe what you saw was a B5 A4/S4 with the RS4 body kit that is very popular. A stock euro B5 RS4 put out close to 380 hp, so I'm little more inclined to think you ran into a clone. But then again, what do I really know?

Nice run!
edit: ^^^ he beat me too it and even included links, nice job.
edit#2: No, the B7 RS4 are not in the US yet, spring of '06.

I'd think with 368whp and a lighter car than the RS4, he could take the win. I dont know if it would be as significant as described. I vote for a rebadged S4, maybe modded maybe not.

whatever the case, sounds like you have a fun, fast bimmer! Go out there and get some more stories :D

The chances of it being a stage 3 s4 are slim, stage 3 with intercooler upgrade puts sown like 400whp and 415 wtq.

I'd put all my money on it NOT being an RS4...you are probably mistaken. Check and see if u got it on video. Doubt it was a Stage 3 S4 also, it would been a closer race, and possibly with a different outcome. Sounds like you ran into an A4.

I'd think with 368whp and a lighter car than the RS4, he could take the win. I dont know if it would be as significant as described. I vote for a rebadged S4, maybe modded maybe not.

whatever the case, sounds like you have a fun, fast bimmer! Go out there and get some more stories :D
thats what I had been assuming....

you want a story about his fast bimmer, I've got a story!!! :devillook

Juker, you didn't by chance get our race on film did you? I don't think you did. It would have been funny to see you blow by me :mad (give me your turbo)

You're mistaking the RS4 for the RS6. You can handle the RS4 with your power level now.


Watch out for the RS6, though.

He shouldnt have any issue with an RS6 either with 368whp. I ran one when my C5 was stock (on the way home from picking it up actually) and he ever so slightly pulled away from me from about 80mph+. That was at about ~300whp.

hey juker008 do you drive a silver M3 e46 and where was this race at 826(palmetto)

I'd put all my money on it NOT being an RS4...you are probably mistaken. Check and see if u got it on video. Doubt it was a Stage 3 S4 also, it would been a closer race, and possibly with a different outcome. Sounds like you ran into an A4.
what stages are you referring to - for example, on a bimmer, a stage II could be TT, AA, RMS, Dinan etc.

is there are particular brand that I'm overlooking?

-Ron

what stages are you referring to - for example, on a bimmer, a stage II could be TT, AA, RMS, Dinan etc.

is there are particular brand that I'm overlooking?

-Ron
I would guess APR.

First thing to ask is if the car you were up against was a wagon. If it wasn't a wagon, then it wasn't an RS4. The chances of coming across a true RS4 on a road in the US is probably about the same as getting struck by lightning. It was a very limited production as you might expect with a 380hp station wagon. Here's the info on the RS4...

Curb Weight: 3572 lbs
Layout: Front-Engine/AWD
Transmission: 6-Speed Manual
Engine
Type: Twin-Turbo V6
Displacement: 2671 cc
Horsepower: 380 bhp @ 6100 rpm
Torque: 325 lb-ft @ 2500 rpm
Redline: 7200 rpm
Performance
0-60 mph: 4.9 sec
0-100 mph: 11.1 sec
Quarter Mile: 13.1 sec @ 108 mph
Skidpad: .87g
Top Speed: 155 mph (limited)
Braking, 60-0 mph: 119 ft
Slalom Speed: 63.4 mph

A 13.1 1/4 mile is pretty fast...

I doubt that you could beat an RS6 in a straight line, maybe on the track though due to it's weight and handling since it isn't quite as good as the M. In typically Audi style the RS6 understeers like a pig when really pushed. The RS6 also has a pretty big torque advantage over you.

Curb Weight: 4060 lbs
Layout: Front-Engine/AWD
Transmission: 5-Speed Tiptronic
Engine
Type: Biturbo V8
Displacement: 4172 cc
Horsepower: 450 bhp @ 5700 rpm
Torque: 415 lb-ft @ 1950 rpm
Redline: 6600 rpm
Performance
0-60 mph: 4.4 sec
0-100 mph: 10.7 sec
Quarter Mile: 12.8 sec @ 108 mph
Skidpad: .88g
Top Speed: 155 mph (limited)
Braking, 60-0 mph: 118 ft
Slalom Speed: 66.5 mph

my conclusions...

RS4 vs. you = you win but it's still a race (from a roll, not a stop...audi wins from a standstill with AWD advantage)

RS6 vs. you = how do you like them rings on the trunk lid? (but you wouldn't be able to hear me over the TT V8 exhaust) (but you win at the track)

When I worked for Aston Martin, we ran a rolling run in a Vanquish S against an RS6 and the Audi pulled away from us. From a stop it wasn't even close...quattro prevailed.

If I had to guess, you were probably running a mildy tuned S4 or maybe a balls out 1.8T. I've ridden in some 1.8T's that would smoke a S4-->RS4 conversion. Wait a minute...I own one! :alright Wanna come to Pittsburgh and we can put this all to rest? :D

what's the whp of the rs4 and rs6? that'll give you a better idea rather then posting magazine figures.

Lets just say it was a RS4 or RS6 for agrumeent sake. If the ///M is running TT STG1, guarantee he will still pull on him, unless the RS4 or RS6 is fully modded (bigger turbo, fully tuned, etc....) Nicks TT stg1 dynos' in at 365rwhp sea level, thats around the same level as the RS6 stock. I dont know what the germans have done, but the ///M really shines on the freeway heres an example, less powered S/C E46 m3 vs fully modded WRX. Here (http://www.e46psi.com/link/click.php?action=go&to=video5)

He shouldnt have any issue with an RS6 either with 368whp. I ran one when my C5 was stock (on the way home from picking it up actually) and he ever so slightly pulled away from me from about 80mph+. That was at about ~300whp.

Yes, you're absolutely right.

Now that I think about it, he's making more power than both cars and weighs substantially less; he shouldn't have any problem with either car if they're stock.

not calling BS but i highly doubt you met up with an RS4. As far as i know there's only 5 or 6 in the whole country. You were probably racing an S4 station wagon or the old s6 station wagon.

what's the whp of the rs4 and rs6? that'll give you a better idea rather then posting magazine figures.Rs4 would easily be about 290 or higher to the wheels RS6 would be higher than a E39m5 at about 360 or so to the wheels.

what's the whp of the rs4 and rs6? that'll give you a better idea rather then posting magazine figures.

Bone stock RS4's have dyno'd just over 300whp. Add a full exhaust and your pushing around 330whp. RS6's come in around 370whp, seen them around 415whp with a full exhaust.

Bone stock RS4's have dyno'd just over 300whp. Add a full exhaust and your pushing around 330whp. RS6's come in around 370whp, seen them around 415 with a full exhaust.
I was close! ;) stck!

S4/RS6 quattro systems your looking at 20% loss for 6-spds and around 25% for autos.

not calling BS but i highly doubt you met up with an RS4. As far as i know there's only 5 or 6 in the whole country. You were probably racing an S4 station wagon or the old s6 station wagon.

If anyone can afford it and is interested, Achtuning was selling a authentic RS4. Check them out at http://www.achtuning.com/contact.asp. I don't know if the car is still available or not. They are in Redmond, Washington State.

Curb Weight: 4060 lbs
Layout: Front-Engine/AWD
Transmission: 5-Speed Tiptronic
Engine
Type: Biturbo V8
Displacement: 4172 cc
Horsepower: 450 bhp @ 5700 rpm
Torque: 415 lb-ft @ 1950 rpm
Redline: 6600 rpm
Performance
0-60 mph: 4.4 sec
0-100 mph: 10.7 sec
Quarter Mile: 12.8 sec @ 108 mph
Skidpad: .88g
Top Speed: 155 mph (limited)
Braking, 60-0 mph: 118 ft
Slalom Speed: 66.5 mph

ok so the RS6 being AWD would put down about 338 if you take a 20% drivetrain loss, if you be really generous, then it makes about 382 with a 15% loss. The car weighs 1000# more than the M Coupe and the RS6 maybe makes the same power on a good day.

I would sure hope the TT STage 1 M Coupe could outrun a car with equal power and 1000# weight difference.

ok so the RS6 being AWD would put down about 338 if you take a 20% drivetrain loss, if you be really generous, then it makes about 382 with a 15% loss. The car weighs 1000# more than the M Coupe and the RS6 maybe makes the same power on a good day.

I would sure hope the TT STage 1 M Coupe could outrun a car with equal power and 1000# weight difference.

It has been said many times before, VW/Audi group is notorious for underestimating their hp figures. We all watched on in amazement as a bone stock 180bhp jetta dyno'd at 169 whp, which with 15% drivetrain loss on a FWD would be like 194bhp. :eek:

One other very important thing we're leaving out here. Acceleration, although obviously effected by HP, is also effected by gearing. I'm not sure what the ratio's are on any of these cars we're speaking of, but someone should run some numbers and factor in the gear ratio's.

One other very important thing we're leaving out here. Acceleration, although obviously effected by HP, is also effected by gearing. I'm not sure what the ratio's are on any of these cars we're speaking of, but someone should run some numbers and factor in the gear ratio's.
yeah I had thought about that too.....

the coupe has a 3.23 but i dunno what the audis have.

ok so the RS6 being AWD would put down about 338 if you take a 20% drivetrain loss, if you be really generous, then it makes about 382 with a 15% loss. The car weighs 1000# more than the M Coupe and the RS6 maybe makes the same power on a good day.

I would sure hope the TT STage 1 M Coupe could outrun a car with equal power and 1000# weight difference.

Actually, 20% of 450 is 90. 450-90=360.

Actually, 20% of 450 is 90. 450-90=360.
oops, sorry, yeah, i had actually used 25% by mistake

AWD systems normally sap up about 25% for drivetrain loss (from the cars I watch watched being dynoed)

the coupe is about 13% loss

Juker008, you should put a lot more info on your HP #'s.

Like altitude, temp, and gas would make a huge difference. Also what type of Dyno it was run on. Because some dyno's read high and some low.

I dont doubt that those are impressive numbers, but you really can't compare a dyno and another car unless both cars ran under the same conditions and on the same dyno.

Any of the Audi's being mentioned in this thread can benefit greatly from race gas, in fact they can gain over 80HP just with gas alone.

Bone stock RS4's have dyno'd just over 300whp. Add a full exhaust and your pushing around 330whp. RS6's come in around 370whp, seen them around 415whp with a full exhaust.
ok, so with those figures, Juker would have no problem smoking either version. not bad numbers for stock (or worked) though.

also, the new RS4 coming in '06 will be available as a sedan.

-Ron

Juker008, you should put a lot more info on your HP #'s.

Like altitude, temp, and gas would make a huge difference. Also what type of Dyno it was run on. Because some dyno's read high and some low.

I dont doubt that those are impressive numbers, but you really can't compare a dyno and another car unless both cars ran under the same conditions and on the same dyno.

Any of the Audi's being mentioned in this thread can benefit greatly from race gas, in fact they can gain over 80HP just with gas alone.
I believe his numbers are SAE corrected but I'm sure he'll chime in to confirm.

most of the numbers (ALL) that we discuss from a dyno are SAE, it helps avoid confusion to a point. of course even then, that can be contested since all machines are different.

I believe his numbers are SAE corrected but I'm sure he'll chime in to confirm.

most of the numbers (ALL) that we discuss from a dyno are SAE, it helps avoid confusion to a point. of course even then, that can be contested since all machines are different.
yep, I'm sure he can confirm, but here is what it is to my knowledge.


93 octane gasoline, Miami Florida (hot), on a Dynojet

yep, I'm sure he can confirm, but here is what it is to my knowledge.


93 octane gasoline, Miami Florida (hot), on a Dynojet

If it was the twilight dyno, that sucker reads high

hmmmm sounds like it was just a fast A4 car badged with the rs4, I mean anyone can put a badge you know, I can put a M3 badge on my bimmer and people will think they killed a M3 when its really a 318 :( . I seen a video on the clubwrx of a RS4 killing a M5 from rolls like it wasnt even a competition, they are super fast cars from rolls,track,1/4.

Ok guys. I just reviewed the video. Unfortunatly as I earlier predicted, I don't have the car in the race. I even checked, and I don't have the car in the video either. What I do have is myself commenting. In the begining of the video, I do state; "alright guys, here we have an RS4 .

From the picture this is EXACTLY what I raced:
http://www.rsportscars.com/foto/10/rs405_04.jpg

To a "T". Same color, same decal placement, looks exactly the same.

Another thing that you guys have to realize is dyno number differ greatly from street/road performance. When turboes are loaded, ie acceleration, they generate more power than what dynos claim. That is unless you have a dyno that can generate artificial load. Another notion, is the fact that I was already moving. My best time at the track has been a 12.977, but I would rather claim a 13 flat at 112, because that is consistant. I have already raced, R6s (600cc sport bikes) , and constantly pull from them. I don't know what they do in the 1/4 but I wouldn't be suprized if they do faster than 11s. Turbed cars shine up top, that is a given.

Some of you think that I've raced an A4. Well, that is definatly not the case. A very good friend of mine had an A4 and it was a joke to race him, even when I was N/A. I also have another friend with an S4, still no match. Looking back on the race with the RS4, it resembled alot, racing my buddies S4.

The problem that I have recording race videos is that I only have a track cam. Any of you track guys know that a track cam's main purpose is record "your" driving around a track. With that being said, if your opponent isn't infront of you or 3-4 car lengths ahead in the other lane, you won't begin to see their front bumper. The only thing that I have from the video is commentary, and a shot where I chanced it, and got in front of him to pass a big rig, then braked hard to avoid the FHP on the side of the road. I currently don't have cables to allow me to upload the video to the PC. So I will kindly ask a friend of mine if he would do me the honors. Another, gripe that I have with in-car track cams is that they show NO feeling. You really need to edit the video, and accelerate the motion by 15% to get a feel for how things are really going. A member here explained it to me, said that it was probably due to the unavailability of periphrial vision.





Juker008

BTW I promiss to you guys. The next time I get a race on vid, I'll be sure to get the whole car in the shot. That way we can dispell any rumors and disbeliefs, of what I truly raced. If some of you guys have the resources, as I know a few, but won't tap into them. You could also go ahead and verfy the licence plate number and see, in fact, what vehicle the plate is registered to.





Juker008

And again I am not sure what you are running so if you do live in europe and you raced and killed an RS4 waggon then NICE KILL!!


WBP Fla. , do a Google search :D .




Juker008

you want a story about his fast bimmer, I've got a story!!! :devillook



:flipa .



Juker008

hey juker008 do you drive a silver M3 e46 and where was this race at 826(palmetto)


Sry bud, I'm in WPB :) , and don't have an M3 :) .




Juker008

what stages are you referring to - for example, on a bimmer, a stage II could be TT, AA, RMS, Dinan etc.

is there are particular brand that I'm overlooking?

-Ron



Good call .





Juker008

Juker008, you should put a lot more info on your HP #'s.

Like altitude, temp, and gas would make a huge difference. Also what type of Dyno it was run on. Because some dyno's read high and some low.

I dont doubt that those are impressive numbers, but you really can't compare a dyno and another car unless both cars ran under the same conditions and on the same dyno.

Any of the Audi's being mentioned in this thread can benefit greatly from race gas, in fact they can gain over 80HP just with gas alone.



You can do a search and find my dyno chart on BF.c .




Juker008

I believe his numbers are SAE corrected but I'm sure he'll chime in to confirm.




http://www.368s.com/photos/photo001468_large.jpg




Juker008

I recall reading a thread a few months ago about a guy who was arranging for the import of two RS4s into the Florida area. This was on vwvortex, audiworld or both (can't remember). He was trying to presale one and keep the other. I believe it is very possible you encountered a new RS4.

The car Juker08 has in the post is a euro spec 2006 B7 RS4. This car will not arrive in the US until the spring of 2006.

With that said, is it possible he did race a B7 RS4? Anything is possible.

Is there a much better chance it was a modded bodykit A4/S4? Absolutly.

I say this for a couple of reasons: the body mod is common and the B7 RS4 is so uncommon that I'm not sure it even exist here.

The other reason is that the B7 RS4 sports a 414 hp and pulls like a freight train as the speeds approach triple digits. This race occured from 75 to 110 mph and the M pulled 3-4 cl's? I just don't see that happening if this truely was a B7 RS4.

BTW, all 1.8t A4's are not alike. There are some that put up bigger dyno #'s than the graph above. Don't use your friends A4 as the measuring stick for all.

Who really knows the answers??? :confused

The car Juker08 has in the post is a euro spec 2006 B7 RS4. This car will not arrive in the US until the spring of 2006.

With that said, is it possible he did race a B7 RS4? Anything is possible.

Is there a much better chance it was a modded bodykit A4/S4? Absolutly.

I say this for a couple of reasons: the body mod is common and the B7 RS4 is so uncommon that I'm not sure it even exist here.

The other reason is that the B7 RS4 sports a 414 hp and pulls like a freight train as the speeds approach triple digits. This race occured from 75 to 110 mph and the M pulled 3-4 cl's? I just don't see that happening if this truely was a B7 RS4.

BTW, all 1.8t A4's are not alike. There are some that put up bigger dyno #'s than the graph above. Don't use your friends A4 as the measuring stick for all.

Who really knows the answers??? :confused
redfoot, I'm not sure if I understand your post.

are you stating that a 414 bhp 2 ton car is faster then a Mcoupe putting 368 hp to the floor?

if the two cars were put up for a shootout, I'll throw down $1k to Juker's car. hell, I'll throw down $5k to my own car. :D

you're over looking that his car is far lighter and more efficiant the the RS4.

The other reason is that the B7 RS4 sports a 414 hp and pulls like a freight train as the speeds approach triple digits. This race occured from 75 to 110 mph and the M pulled 3-4 cl's? I

The M is putting down more power with less drivetrain loss. What's confusing?

The M is putting down more power with less drivetrain loss. What's confusing?
...and is much lighter weight.

redfoot, I'm not sure if I understand your post.

are you stating that a 414 bhp 2 ton car is faster then a Mcoupe putting 368 hp to the floor?

if the two cars were put up for a shootout, I'll throw down $1k to Juker's car. hell, I'll throw down $5k to my own car. :D

you're over looking that his car is far lighter and more efficiant the the RS4.
The quattro system is proven to loose 25%, thats a fact. So 414hp equates to around 316 hp to the wheels. Juker08 is showing 368 whp, is this a dynojet or a Mustang is the next question.

The race took place from a roll, so weight is a non-issues, or at the very least minimal.

4 cls in the span of 35 mph on the possible RS4? I would take the bet that it wouldn't happen like that. I think you need a bigger hp advantage than that.

This race has the look of a plain S4 written all over it, IMHO.

post vid i just wanna hear ur car!

weight is an issue, pushing 4000lbs is harder then pushing 3000 lbs regardless of speed.

anyways - he has a clear whp advantage over the RS4, a 52 whp advantage as per your figures.

52 whp is no joke, you know this, I know this. regardless of if the car was a RS4 or S4, he would have come out ahead to either version.

The RS4 weights in at 3410 lbs per the Audi site while the M's curb weight stock is 3000 lbs (+/- 100 lbs for t setup?).

I think its too close to call from where we all are sitting, so we have to agree that we're gonna disagree on this one.

Although we never addressed the problem of the RS4 not being in the country yet.
BTW: after re-reading some of the last couple post, I wanna make 2 things clear:
1. the chance that he raced the pictured RS4 is very,very slim
2. I never said the RS4 would win the race between these two cars, just that putting 4 cls on it in the span of 35 mph is not gonna happen.

Why does everyone question this race anyways. Look at the dyno and the weight factor. His car probably weights in at around less than 3000lbs with 368wrhp, I think he will destroy majority of the cars out there.

Jukker008 - Dont worry about what these people are saying. They are just envious of what you have and done. Just remember there are going to be cars somewhere faster than yours, just not the RS4 that you raced.
Another win for a boosted ///M and people are still crying :redspot :redspot :redspot

Jukker008 - Dont worry about what these people are saying. They are just envious of what you have and done.

Yeah, I'm busted now, I'm just jealous. :(

How about just disagreeing on the model of the car the original poster isn't sure about himself????

Hate to burst you bubble but it definitely was not a B7 RS4. There are only 2 currently in the country. One is Imola Yellow and its undergoing emissions certification. The other is the FIA Pace car and is on display in Monterrey. There are plenty of re-badged A4's and S4's around here.

I don't get why it's so hard to understand that it was not the a B7 RS4, or any RS4 for that matter. From the original post it seems like the bmw was playing with the Audi and it was no competition between the two cars... And that is why I believe it was a rebadged A4 or S4, PERIOD. Seriously, it's just lame to argue about what happened over a race when the person that raced doesn't even know what he raced exactly. You when from "getting it on tape", to "maybe having it on tape", to "not having the other car on tape", to "talking to yourself in the video and stating it was an RS4"... Post the video of you talking to yourself during the pulls that it was an RS4...let's see it. I hate when people try to state "facts", make claims, and talk shit when they have no clue what they are talking about.

As for the guy(themadhatter) claiming that he'd put money on the bimmer or his car over the B7 RS4, which has not been released to the US yet, is just laughable. Sure power has a direct corellation to speed, however have cars that make more power not lost to cars that make less and weigh more??? of course they have. You DO NOT have experience with the car or know what it is capable of on the streets, first hand...You are regurgitating what you have read and heard from others and magazines which is just retarded and possibly a 5k dollar mistake. I take magazine articles with a grain of salt, and so should everyone else. I wont bash or back it up until the car comes out and I have first hand experience with one. With that being said, "themadhatter" do you live in Cali by any chance? Because if you do I don't mind setting up a couple races so that you can put your hard earned money to use and your confidence in your car to the test with a couple audi's that even make LESS than or the same of what the new RS4 makes (AND weighs more). So if it's worth your time and money, let's set something up and you can post the results....that is if you havn't pawned in your computer to cover the $5k dollar mistake your big mouth made.

BTW I'm assuming you're making well over 400 whp and 400 wtrq...that way it will hurt more when you get your ass handed to you :lol

Yeah, I'm busted now, I'm just jealous. :(

How about just disagreeing on the model of the car the original poster isn't sure about himself????


The original poster is clueless as to what kind of car it was just like he was clueless if he had it on tape. PERIOD.

So what if it was a RS4......whatever. Do you really think it has a chance eith a boosted ///M running 368 rwhp? I think not. Unless that car is fully modded with bigger turbo. Possiblity....slim....not with a brand new car......So who do you think is envious?
Redfoot, why did you sell your 530? Dont you wish you had a boosted ///M.

BTW, all 1.8t A4's are not alike. There are some that put up bigger dyno #'s than the graph above. Don't use your friends A4 as the measuring stick for all.



I only used my friend's A4 as a refrence to show what it was like racing the RS4. I used my friend's A4 as a refrence, to show that when I was stock it was like racing a stock 2001 A4. I was not saying that I pulled 3-4 CLs in my current trim, as I do on an A4, that would sound like my turbo charged MC was only putting down 200WHP.

It would have been a better anaolgy to quote the runs that I would take with an S4, there I would pull 3-4 CLs on my turbo charged application.





Juker008

if the two cars were put up for a shootout, I'll throw down $1k to Juker's car. hell, I'll throw down $5k to my own car. :D

you're over looking that his car is far lighter and more efficiant the the RS4.



Look at it like this. IF you put $1K on my car and $5K on your car, and we both raced, you would make $6K :D.





Juker008

I don't get why it's so hard to understand that it was not the a B7 RS4, or any RS4 for that matter. From the original post it seems like the bmw was playing with the Audi and it was no competition between the two cars... And that is why I believe it was a rebadged A4 or S4, PERIOD. Seriously, it's just lame to argue about what happened over a race when the person that raced doesn't even know what he raced exactly. You when from "getting it on tape", to "maybe having it on tape", to "not having the other car on tape", to "talking to yourself in the video and stating it was an RS4"... Post the video of you talking to yourself during the pulls that it was an RS4...let's see it. I hate when people try to state "facts", make claims, and talk shit when they have no clue what they are talking about.

As for the guy(themadhatter) claiming that he'd put money on the bimmer or his car over the B7 RS4, which has not been released to the US yet, is just laughable. Sure power has a direct corellation to speed, however have cars that make more power not lost to cars that make less and weigh more??? of course they have. You DO NOT have experience with the car or know what it is capable of on the streets, first hand...You are regurgitating what you have read and heard from others and magazines which is just retarded and possibly a 5k dollar mistake. I take magazine articles with a grain of salt, and so should everyone else. I wont bash or back it up until the car comes out and I have first hand experience with one. With that being said, "themadhatter" do you live in Cali by any chance? Because if you do I don't mind setting up a couple races so that you can put your hard earned money to use and your confidence in your car to the test with a couple audi's that even make LESS than or the same of what the new RS4 makes (AND weighs more). So if it's worth your time and money, let's set something up and you can post the results....that is if you havn't pawned in your computer to cover the $5k dollar mistake your big mouth made.

BTW I'm assuming you're making well over 400 whp and 400 wtrq...that way it will hurt more when you get your ass handed to you :lol
actually, I work/live in Togo, but it would have been fun to mess around a bit.

*edit - yes I'm over those numbers and yes I'd throw down that money vs a stock RS4. hell, my winter beater could probably smoke it.

Why does everyone question this race anyways. Look at the dyno and the weight factor. His car probably weights in at around less than 3000lbs with 368wrhp, I think he will destroy majority of the cars out there.

Jukker008 - Dont worry about what these people are saying. They are just envious of what you have and done. Just remember there are going to be cars somewhere faster than yours, just not the RS4 that you raced.
Another win for a boosted ///M and people are still crying :redspot :redspot :redspot


Ummm because the car hasn't been released in the US yet you asshat! WHY is this so hard to understand!!!???

There is a WAY BETTER chance that THIS is what he raced than the RS4 that hasn't arrived yet.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v292/SuperbSantorings/car.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v292/SuperbSantorings/car2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v292/SuperbSantorings/car3.jpg

actually, I work/live in Togo, but it would have been fun to mess around a bit.

*edit - yes I'm over those numbers and yes I'd throw down that money vs a stock RS4. hell, my winter beater could probably smoke it.

Togo as in Togo - Africa??? WTF?

Well my offer still stands if you ever some how make your way to Cali, come to So Cal, race some audi's with the same or less hp/trq and see what happens...lol

Togo as in Togo - Africa??? WTF?

Well my offer still stands if you ever some how make your way to Cali, come to So Cal, race some audi's with the same or less hp/trq and see what happens...lol
yeah man, just off the beach. If I ever make it out to cali again, it'll most likely be without the e36. :(

I have mad respect for the S4 and RS4 but from the numbers, it just doesn't compute.

yeah man, just off the beach. If I ever make it out to cali again, it'll most likely be without the e36. :(

I have mad respect for the S4 and RS4 but from the numbers, it just doesn't compute.


I have a couple buddies with Stage 3 S4s...anywhere from low 300 whp to close to 500whp, the outcomes arn't as you would expect...meaning the 450whp S4 beats the 360whp S4. You'd be suprised.

Togo as in Togo - Africa??? WTF?

Well my offer still stands if you ever some how make your way to Cali, come to So Cal, race some audi's with the same or less hp/trq and see what happens...lolHow about some Evo's and DSM's! :devillook LOL! :D $$$

The RS4 weights in at 3410 lbs per the Audi site while the M's curb weight stock is 3000 lbs (+/- 100 lbs for t setup?).



:confused . The custom exhaust is lighter than the stock exhaust. I can't see 100 aditional pounds.





Juker008

:confused . The custom exhaust is lighter than the stock exhaust. I can't see 100 aditional pounds.





Juker008Since when did the Rs4 weigh in at only 3400lbs as well?

:confused . The custom exhaust is lighter than the stock exhaust. I can't see 100 aditional pounds.





Juker008


I posted pics of what you raced...end it. Wait a couple months until the car you claimed you raced actually arrives in the US then see how your car does. And I'm not saying you're gonna lose, but I'm sure it will be a different race, since it will be a different car.

Since when did the Rs4 weigh in at only 3400lbs as well?
Audi site info not mine. :)

So what if it was a RS4......whatever. Do you really think it has a chance eith a boosted ///M running 368 rwhp? I think not. Unless that car is fully modded with bigger turbo. Possiblity....slim....not with a brand new car......So who do you think is envious?
Redfoot, why did you sell your 530? Dont you wish you had a boosted ///M.
Dredder, when you get your head out of somewhere you'll realize a couple of things, the B6 S4/ B7 RS4's are N/A V-8, not turbos like the B5's.
The other thing is if I really wanted a boosted M, I'll take my name off the list for the E60 M5 first.

Ummm because the car hasn't been released in the US yet you asshat! WHY is this so hard to understand!!!???

There is a WAY BETTER chance that THIS is what he raced than the RS4 that hasn't arrived yet.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v292/SuperbSantorings/car.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v292/SuperbSantorings/car2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v292/SuperbSantorings/car3.jpg
This car is beautiful! 80k though! :eek:

Since when did the Rs4 weigh in at only 3400lbs as well?

Ever since it left the factory. they decided to make it quite a bit lighter then the s4.

Your actually looking at a B7 S4 though. The price for the US hasn't been set yet. There's talk of $65k - 80K.
$65k - maybe, big maybe actually
$75-80k- keep it.

It is a sharp looking car, can't wait to see it in person.

Well my offer still stands if you ever some how make your way to Cali, come to So Cal, race some audi's with the same or less hp/trq and see what happens...lol



The only fast Audi that I know of around here is Metra, I'm pretty sure you have heard of him. If not then how about Champion Audi in Pompano Beach? I'll be sure to ask him what he things :lol .




Juker008

The only fast Audi that I know of around here is Metra, I'm pretty sure you have heard of him. If not then how about Champion Audi in Pompano Beach? I'll be sure to ask him what he things :lol .




Juker008


Yeah ask what he thinks so he can laugh in your face. I wouldn't be going to Champion motorsports talking about just racing a car that isn't in the US yet.

This car is beautiful! 80k though! :eek:


Damn you guys are all the same...can't tell an RS4 from a rebadged A4/S4 and can't tell a S4 from an RS4. Sad scene up in here. Do I even have to mention that you are wrong about the price too?

Mannn people are dumb.........Read my statement before you open your pie hole.
So what if it was a RS4......whateverRead the topic. Un*der*stand what i*m say*ing If and if the RS4 was in the USA, JUKER008' boosted ///M will still hand it its arse. The numbers are in his favor.

Juker008, Too bad you dont have a vid to show, so you u can just shut these idiots up.
This threads is starting to reminds me like a thread in DTMPOWER where a WRX fanatic started bragging about killing n/a bmw's and when someone posted the link to AA SC'd BMW M3 vs 400 awhp WRX STI (http://www.e46psi.com/link/click.php?action=go&to=video5) every WRX owner in the forum shut thier hole.

Mannn people are dumb.........Read my statement before you open your pie hole.
Read the topic. Un*der*stand what i*m say*ing If and if the RS4 was in the USA, JUKER008' boosted ///M will still hand it its arse. The numbers are in his favor.

Juker008, Too bad you dont have a vid to show, so you u can just shut these idiots up.
This threads is starting to reminds me like a thread in DTMPOWER where a WRX fanatic started bragging about killing n/a bmw's and when someone posted the link to AA SC'd BMW M3 vs 400 awhp WRX STI (http://www.e46psi.com/link/click.php?action=go&to=video5) every WRX owner in the forum shut thier hole.


Key word, "IF"! That was lame as hell little buddy. Control yourself. Everyone has seen that video of the STI and the SC M3, big wow? the M3 runs a 12.2! There is a kid in So Cal that runs a 12.2 on stock turbo on his STI! Big fvckin deal. Any other off topic rant you want to go on?

BTW "video of what?" to prove what??? that he didn't race an RS4!? lmao

Hey santoringS4, you are in a BMW forum. Go brag your smurf mobile in AUDi forum. The audi lost to Juker008' car. End of topic. In the end you still drive a VW :)

Hey santoringS4, you are in a BMW forum. Go brag your smurf mobile in AUDi forum. The audi lost to Juker008' car. End of topic. In the end you still drive a VW :)

"Smurf mobile" LOL That was even more lame. Juker probably doesn't even know if it was an Audi. No need to brag about my car, it's slow. Come put your money where your mouth is and race my "VW". :lol

ok listen...it was almost 100% positive a S4.....the rs4 is 420 horse at the crank...which is easily equatable or less then jukers m coupe #'s
the rs4 claims 0-62mph in 4.8 secs, 0-124mph in 16.6 secs

that is decently quick...but STILL the m coupe would be faster and beat it

do i think juker raced a b7rs4 NO...do i think if he finds one when they get here he will beat it YES

"Smurf mobile" LOL That was even more lame. Juker probably doesn't even know if it was an Audi. No need to brag about my car, it's slow. Come put your money where your mouth is and race my "VW". :lol

if u wanna fast vw...come to nj...

come see brian, steve, and tim up here in Union....all my boys since high school

and if you know vw, you know their cars nuff said

ok listen...it was almost 100% positive a S4.....the rs4 is 420 horse at the crank...which is easily equatable or less then jukers m coupe #'s
the rs4 claims 0-62mph in 4.8 secs, 0-124mph in 16.6 secs

that is decently quick...but STILL the m coupe would be faster and beat it

do i think juker raced a b7rs4 NO...do i think if he finds one when they get here he will beat it YES

Finally someone that makes some sense.

ok listen...it was almost 100% positive a S4.....the rs4 is 420 horse at the crank...which is easily equatable or less then jukers m coupe #'s
the rs4 claims 0-62mph in 4.8 secs, 0-124mph in 16.6 secs

that is decently quick...but STILL the m coupe would be faster and beat it

do i think juker raced a b7rs4 NO...do i think if he finds one when they get here he will beat it YES
dido.
for santoringS4 you can have the L

if u wanna fast vw...come to nj...

come see brian, steve, and tim up here in Union....all my boys since high school

and if you know vw, you know their cars nuff said


LoL If I want "Lame asses" I'll come to NJ. Marc has the fastest Audi S4 in those woods. However if those cars came to Cali they wouldn't run those times at the strip. Everyone knows Englishtown is the fastest track in the US... How about a couple mid 11 second S4s from Palmdale's LACR(Slow track)? They definately make more POWA. Don't worry, we are going to be doing a couple friendly runs between a couple Stage 3 S4s vs my good friend TaZaM3's S/C e46 M3 and see the outcome. Should be a close race. It's pretty lame when all someone wants to do right away is discredit a car or not give it any respect just because it's in the same class and competition. This shit is suppose to be fun. How lame would it be if everyone had a bimmer or everyone had an Audi...or VW in your opinion.

dido.
for santoringS4 you can have the L
WTF are you talking about? The L? Are you the retard of this forum or what? You think just because I have an Audi it's a loss for me? What a moron! :orangesle

hehehehehe you dont get it huh. I'll pm you what it means

hehehehehe you dont get it huh.

Naw I don't speak "retard", sorry.

hehehehehe you dont get it huh. I'll pm you what it means


Hey I just wanted to thank you for the PM! I really appreciate you backing up my point about you being the retard of the forum. I owe you one, it's too bad you live on the wrong coast, I could have thanked you in person. :handclap

i know englishtown is fast...

but even if put in cali, these numbers are not deniable

9.69 @ 145.16mph brians 97 vr6 turbo complete track car
10.03 @ 147.64mph steves 88 gti turbo steet legal car

both live about 30 seconds from my house...and see em every weekend

i know englishtown is fast...

but even if put in cali, these numbers are not deniable

9.69 @ 145.16mph brians 97 vr6 turbo complete track car
10.03 @ 147.64mph steves 88 gti turbo steet legal car

both live about 30 seconds from my house...and see em every weekend


There is always someone faster man. I don't doubt those cars run those times. I have a friend with an 8 second mustang cobra, it doesn't change anything...there is always someone faster. Here we like to put down times with full interior, and if you've sat in an S4 it isn't like an STI or EVO, or a stripped hatchback. Those cars will probably run a good half second to one second slower here.

im not stating they are the fastest...u just said u wanted fast vw's

im not stating they are the fastest...u just said u wanted fast vw's

Umm no. I'm not in the VW scene.

Simply having a forum named "kill stories" is possibly the lamest thing ever.

http://bartcatz.com/pics/awot_sig.jpg

Simply having a forum named "kill stories" is possibly the lamest thing ever.

http://bartcatz.com/pics/awot_sig.jpg

How in the hell did you get over here?

I've given up on the Audi vs. BMW debates. Same thing every time.

OMGHI2MPOWER

they roxxorz our boxX fellow audi owners :lol

this thread sucks

hey, i smashed on the new m5 months ago, can i get a cookie

killed the new m6 two weeks ago, it was slow, put like 6 cars on it from 60-135 :evil2

OMGHI2MPOWER

they roxxorz our boxX fellow audi owners :lol

this thread sucks

hey, i smashed on the new m5 months ago, can i get a cookie

killed the new m6 two weeks ago, it was slow, put like 6 cars on it from 60-135 :evil2

coming from the guy who has a 500hp 18sec Accord :confused :stickoutt

seriously though a 370whp M coupe is going to kill a 3400lb 414 crank hp rs4. i know audi guys are smart. 3000lbs, 370whp vs. 3400lbs and 330 whp (approx using 20% loss).

dude i have video of the m5 and m6 kills, i swear... in the videos you can even hear me say "oh snap dawg, here comes that weak sauce 510hp v10 with the m tuning" you never see the cars though ( camera is mounted to my cage, total track setup) but it was sad. I totaly smoked them

let me tell you about the race i had with the new enzo fxx, the other day..... i expected it to be faster, wouldnt you know i left the camera in my underware drawer

ran a lotus exige in some twisties, he could barely pull from me, this way like 3 years ago atleast

Damn you guys are all the same...can't tell an RS4 from a rebadged A4/S4 and can't tell a S4 from an RS4. Sad scene up in here. Do I even have to mention that you are wrong about the price too?This is the price car and driver quoted that it may or may not be! relax! I did'nt just pop that figure out of my head! ;)

snow trooper sounds like a new troll.

if you have nothing to add to this thread aside from heckle, go somewhere else.

haha an enzo fxx....im surrrrrrrre you beat it...and just HAPPENED to not have ur camera....

and no cars on film...i can go out right now with my mount and yell o shit here comes that weak all lambo on my ass, but im pullin on that slow ass POS!!!!

please guys, im not an ass, but dont be absolutely rediculous when you post some of these things....

aint no way ur gettin close to an enzo buddy....

How in the hell did you get over here?

I've given up on the Audi vs. BMW debates. Same thing every time.
aye, I agree with you. All it does is become a pissing match in the wind.

This should get locked, due to the pettiness of all the arguments, the cussing, and well just it will get no where.

haha an enzo fxx....im surrrrrrrre you beat it...and just HAPPENED to not have ur camera....

and no cars on film...i can go out right now with my mount and yell o shit here comes that weak all lambo on my ass, but im pullin on that slow ass POS!!!!

please guys, im not an ass, but dont be absolutely rediculous when you post some of these things....

aint no way ur gettin close to an enzo buddy....
omg, he knows that. He was mocking Juker. Because juker tlaked about having video, but not having the car in the shot. So he was being a troll using the same thing. Except the A4/S4/RS4 in said race, is not in the same league as an enzo, or lambo or anything like that.

to end the arguement - who cares what Juker raced.

the fact is that he's quicker then any RS4 that audi is selling, including the yet to be released '06.

several people are getting their pride hurt, get over it, it's just a car...though a very sexy awd car.

to end the arguement - who cares what Juker raced.

the fact is that he's quicker then any RS4 that audi is selling, including the yet to be released '06.

several people are getting their pride hurt, get over it, it's just a car...though a very sexy awd car.
Since this thread has gotten way out of hand, this is my last post on this sub:

I really don't get how you can make this statement. Your making a definitive statement based on what? Is it based on the fact that you have not driven or even seen eithier car? Or are you basing it on the dyno graph that might be true and accurate? Or is this the conclussion you always come to when a boosted M is involved?

Feelings hurt? Not here. Just because I happen to own an Audi, doesn't mean I can't logically look at a situation. Same can't be said for everyone though.

Since this thread has gotten way out of hand, this is my last post on this sub:

I really don't get how you can make this statement. Your making a definitive statement based on what? Is it based on the fact that you have not driven or even seen eithier car? Or are you basing it on the dyno graph that might be true and accurate? Or is this the conclussion you always come to when a boosted M is involved?

Feelings hurt? Not here. Just because I happen to own an Audi, doesn't mean I can't logically look at a situation. Same can't be said for everyone though.
that post wasn't referring to anyone in particular but I know you'll be reading this so here it is:

the fact that juker drives a boosted bmw has nothing to do with my opinion. He could be driving a boosted lincoln town car for all that I cared.

the documented fact that his car produces more power and weighs less then the RS4 is unquestionable. this arguement could be about a ford focus vs a shelby cobra....if we can view the potential of each car then we can make an educated guess about the outcome.

I haven't driven Juker's car nor have I driven any RS4 but I do know how to read opinions from third parties and come to my own conclusion.

I gather that you're an auto enthusiast and from your location, you state that you're in Phili, I WOULD LOVE to have a friendly get together or at least meet you in person.

We could freely debate this in person over a cold cider and perhaps a drive before hand. We gather at the Bethlehem Brewwerks about once per month and invite all enthusiasts to join us.

-Ron

What car am I allowed to bring???

J/K
Sounds like a great idea, I would love to hang out.

We could freely debate this in person over a cold cider
-Ron
....:confused

And perhaps maybe we can joust on our noble steeds, and duel covered in armor with broadswords, and then maybe we can surround ourselves with pleasant company to slake our lust.:stickoutt

What car am I allowed to bring???

J/K
Sounds like a great idea, I would love to hang out.
bring what ever you'd like. bring your friends too, if they are interested.

I'll be looking to setup a brewwerks meet on the 24th of September, one week after BFE '05.

Git - you need to join us for a cider and lusty women. :cool

bring what ever you'd like. bring your friends too, if they are interested.

I'll be looking to setup a brewwerks meet on the 24th of September, one week after BFE '05.

Git - you need to join us for a cider and lusty women. :cool
you'll be back stateside then? I'll come up to meet up with ya, before you get sent back over. Cider and lusty women is always nice.

What about the armor, swords & dueling and what not? Any of that?

We can always car joust. I drive, you on my hood witha long pole. Playing chicken with somebody else and a guy on their hood. :D

you'll be back stateside then? I'll come up to meet up with ya, before you get sent back over. Cider and lusty women is always nice.

What about the armor, swords & dueling and what not? Any of that?

We can always car joust. I drive, you on my hood witha long pole. Playing chicken with somebody else and a guy on their hood. :D
I'll be home around the 10th, that's the plan. home for about 45 days give or take. You should shoot up, we get several VA/MD people who show up to the meets so you won't be rolling up solo.

I'm not too keen on hood surfing but I'm sure we can run out to omish country and scare the locals. :stickoutt

I'll be home around the 10th, that's the plan. home for about 45 days give or take. You should shoot up, we get several VA/MD people who show up to the meets so you won't be rolling up solo.
Hahah true, well I'm all about a long drive up. I jsut hate long drives by myself. :(

I'm not too keen on hood surfing but I'm sure we can run out to omish country and scare the locals. :stickoutt
{capt jack sparrow voice}Jousting, hood jousting. {/end} Come on, where is your sense of adventure? I mean what is better than going 0-60 in less than 6 seconds, and pegging some dudes chest with a long wooden pole and you grip the edge of somebodys hood a split second later as you try not to be flung from the front as they lay on the brakes? :stickoutt