I just filled up my tank and I see a yellow S2000 with a hardtop and a CF hood. I tell my friend I'm going to race this guy, she said "go ahead."
I'm flying down the road to get along side of him, when I do I shift from 4th to 3rd to 2nd at 50mph.
He revs and we both go at the same time. At 70 I was at his door and he shifts and I hear pppsssssshhhhh, OMG a S2000 with a turbo. At 90 I was at his rear bumper and I shift into 4th as he slows down to make the turn in the road. I keep going and pass him.
I take my road to head home and he pulled a U-turn. I had him in the twisties :redspot .
I am very surprised my stock 2000 M roadster was that close to a turboed S2000.

just for reference a supercharged s2k will dyno around 300 whp. a turbo charged one should do more. not sure on the M roadsters weight but i know s2ks are 2800 lbs. keeping this in mind good kill but i think there was something wrong with this race.

Hammad

Hp is nothin w/o torque

Hp is nothin w/o torque
it is with revs.....

The F1 cars have little torque but make 900hp, are they slow?

hp is directly proportional to torque and revs (one doesn't play a bigger roll than the opther in the hp euqation), you need one or the other or both to have a fast car.


nice run.

If the car was turbo and tuned well with a good driver, then it shouldn't have been close. I knew a guy with a turbo S2k running 11s no problem. Not all turbo S2k will run 11s, but they are only slightly slower than our cars stock, add FI and he should walk a stock S52.

you down shifted to 2nd at 50mph on the s52? You should've just stayed in 3rd. You won't be staying in 2nd long.

sorry but it was not a turbo s2000, those are insanely fast and would utterly dust any stock bmw.

Nice run!

you down shifted to 2nd at 50mph on the s52? You should've just stayed in 3rd. You won't be staying in 2nd long.
I'd start in second at 50 mph.

Nice run!


I'd start in second at 50 mph.

So would I. Ban Giterdone.

So would I. Ban Giterdone.
your 2nd gear goes to 50? :stickoutt

BUt no, I won't start a race at 50 in 2nd. If i was 45 yeah. But Normally the stint of your run is too short in 2nd. That is why really I just don't start at 50. :D

Hp is nothin w/o torque
Wrong. A low torque/high power car can be very fast using appropriate gearing. A high torque/low power car can't be fast with any gearing.

Good grief guys. 2000Z3M determines he was racing a turbo'd S2k at the scene - with his own senses, but with the all-seeing power of the 1ntArw3b, you have decided that he was not racing a turbo'd s2k. :rolleyes Next you all will determine he was actually racing a stock civic ex.

He was there. It happened. Shut yer cakeholes.

Here's a clue. The race was from 50-90mph. That's nothing, it takes a LOT more power and quickness to pull rapidly away from another quick car in a short race. In fact, the S2k DID pull on the M, evidence that only backs up the story.

So many variables in a situation like this there is really no cause to call bs. No idea what kind of turbo, no idea what boost, no idea how hard the s2k was pushing, no idea about much at all, except the s2k was faster during a short run. Yeah maybe he just had basic bolt-ons and the CAI sounded like a pshhhh sound....but that can't really be determined based on the facts provided.
Blah blah.

Sounds like a fun run, too bad you couldn't get more runs in from different speeds and have a chat with the s2k owner to discuss mods.

Would have been interesting if you guys stop to chat and see what the S2K really had under the hood. I use to own a Vortech SCed S2K that looked completely stock --- I could only muster low 13's in the 1/4 but ran neck and neck with two 12 sec Supras on the freeway. Ran the two Supra with about 10 cars and a bike following to see the race.

Anything can happen on the streets. The turbo S2K may not have been tuned properly. I remember a turbo S2K talking alot of crap about how he ran low 12's --- only to get whooped by my weak SCed S2K.

Just as long as you had fun running the other car, that's all that counts.

your 2nd gear goes to 50? :stickoutt



It goes to 62, my friend. :cool

I had him in the twisties :redspot .


I dont know about that. Those s2000s handle like a dream.

I dont know about that. Those s2000s handle like a dream.

Last time I checked, you weren't there.

He was, and he passed him in the twisties. Whether or not the car handles like a dream doesn't matter if the guy doesn't push it.

sorry but it was not a turbo s2000, those are insanely fast and would utterly dust any stock bmw.

Yeah I was thinking the same thing. Could have been that he didn't lay into it all the way. I think a turbo s2k would murder even an s54 m roadster.

If it happened, it happened. I'm thinking that maybe he thought you were "just" a Z3 and didn't bother downshifting.

Geez, I just wanted to read about a stock S2k/Mroadster kill. Now I have to go find that punk with the S2k and find out for myself.

I dont know about that. Those s2000s handle like a dream.
please come to the auto-x with me this weekend and tell that to the HART (Honda of America Racing Team) guys. I have been spanking them all season.

please come to the auto-x with me this weekend and tell that to the HART (Honda of America Racing Team) guys. I have been spanking them all season.
you know you can't spank them with your girls car. :stickoutt

Dang, I just read my post from this morning and I sound like an angry little beaver. :help

I did have a headache and was down on coffee but my post was meant good naturedly. :D

s2k's are pretty quick even the vortech s/c ones. they def dont have the bottom end but up top they are pretty quick. S/c also comes with BOV so he might have heard a s/c one.

Just turbo your roadster and you'll be killing vipers and lambos, like Jon. :alright

Nice run by the way. :D

contrary to what people believe the s2k is not slow downlow as well. they are geared very aggresivly down low because of their low toque numbers. also remember 150 lbs/ft of torque at 9k rpm is the same as 300 bl/ft of torque at 4500 rpm givin the same gear ratio. horsepower being proportional to the torque.

Hammad

you know you can't spank them with your girls car. :stickoutt
:mad

:shifty

:D

where is the auto-x this weekend..... im not too far from cincy... i would like to check it out

Hp is nothin w/o torque


doesn't turbo make torque to atleast match the hp close? i just thought that was the case. guess i'm wrong.

:lol

Ok here are the facts:

It was not a turbocharged S2k, it simply had a Cold Air Intake. When VTEC kicks in it resonates through the aluminium intake piping. On my 3.2 V6 Acura CL Type-S it makes a deep throaty sound. On my friend's S2k it sounds somewhat ricey. Given the road, time of day, and traffic, yea I could say that it sounded like a turbo, but its not. Nothing more than a CAI.

Back in the day when I was stock, we used to do HWY runs, we were practly neck and neck from 40 to 80. By the time we hit about 120 he was already 1-1.5 car lenghs ahead of me.

As far as down low power is concerned with the S2k, personally conpared to my perviously stock MC, yea they suck. Granted they are geared aggressivly for 1st and 2nd, but all that aggressive gearing makes them tach out 1st sooner, even with the 8K red line. I would shift into 2nd sooner than him, me usually around 35, while he shifted into 2nd around 45. Everytime him or I would shift distance never changed. Distance only changed from being in gear and accelerating. All in all down low I was always able to keep a considerable lead over by buddy's S2k. Starting off from 45 is another story.

To wrap this up, sry boss, but it wasn't turbo charged. If it was, he would have atleast had a car length between you and him by 70, within that 20mph jump.

Nice run though, exactly what happend to me when I was stock against a stock S2k...but not anymore :devillook .





Juker008

where is the auto-x this weekend..... im not too far from cincy... i would like to check it out
wright state university in dayton on sunday, its behind the nutter center

come on out

huh? what's with the :lol

It was a question. Not something funny. Here was my question.

" doesn't turbo make torque to atleast match the hp close? i just thought that was the case. guess i'm wrong. "

was that :lol ?

Here's the reason why I asked:

sakred posted:

" just for reference a supercharged s2k will dyno around 300 whp. a turbo charged one should do more "

NorCal325i replied:

" Hp is nothin w/o torque "

This :lol is :lol why :lol I :lol asked :lol the :lol question. Now, on my post. Was there a turbo s2k mentioned? long a$$ explanation. What facts are you talking about BOSS.


Juker008

:lol

Ok here are the facts:

It was not a turbocharged S2k, it simply had a Cold Air Intake. When VTEC kicks in it resonates through the aluminium intake piping. On my 3.2 V6 Acura CL Type-S it makes a deep throaty sound. On my friend's S2k it sounds somewhat ricey. Given the road, time of day, and traffic, yea I could say that it sounded like a turbo, but its not. Nothing more than a CAI.

Back in the day when I was stock, we used to do HWY runs, we were practly neck and neck from 40 to 80. By the time we hit about 120 he was already 1-1.5 car lenghs ahead of me.

As far as down low power is concerned with the S2k, personally conpared to my perviously stock MC, yea they suck. Granted they are geared aggressivly for 1st and 2nd, but all that aggressive gearing makes them tach out 1st sooner, even with the 8K red line. I would shift into 2nd sooner than him, me usually around 35, while he shifted into 2nd around 45. Everytime him or I would shift distance never changed. Distance only changed from being in gear and accelerating. All in all down low I was always able to keep a considerable lead over by buddy's S2k. Starting off from 45 is another story.

To wrap this up, sry boss, but it wasn't turbo charged. If it was, he would have atleast had a car length between you and him by 70, within that 20mph jump.

Nice run though, exactly what happend to me when I was stock against a stock S2k...but not anymore .

bimmer, I think he was laughing at the stories, not necessarily your post, which happened to be above his.

bimmer, I think he was laughing at the stories, not necessarily your post, which happened to be above his.

that was my interpretation. using the emoticon and it was actually pointing above my post. who was he calling boss? if it wasn't his intention, my apology to him.

that was my interpretation. using the emoticon and it was actually pointing above my post. who was he calling boss? if it wasn't his intention, my apology to him.


Just because he posted right after you doesn't mean it's directed to you :D

I'm sure he would have quoted what you said if he was talking to you. And I don't think that smiley is neccesarely pointing up to your post.

lol he heard a blowoff valve so the s2k isnt turbo ....

did you guys ever think that maybe the guy in the s2k didnt downshift, watever just floored it?

Juker was calling the thread starter boss, he was talking about the original story.

Was it turbo or not? I dunno, I have seen seen that car or been under the hood. doesn't really matter.

As a point of reference..... during some of my modding I removed my air/oil seperator that goes into the manifold and put a breather there with a "T" to send the oil back to the sump. When I go to shift, the built up pressure in the motor releases through the breather (instead of into the manifold) and it almost sounds like a BOV with the burst of pressure release. I had no intention of the car sounding like that, but I wonder how many cars think they ran a turbo M Roadster when lining up to race me.

Just because he posted right after you doesn't mean it's directed to you :D

I'm sure he would have quoted what you said if he was talking to you. And I don't think that smiley is neccesarely pointing up to your post.


that is why i apologized.

A buddy of mine has a good looking s2k, it has a CAI and other mods I'm not sure of exactly, so we traded cars one day and ripped around Fort Shafter, I gotta say that his car was really fun to drive, (well, I have an automatic so it was a treat to shift again). But... I had to really press on the gas more than expected to get up to speed, uh, my buddy was gone already in my car, he was gone. Out of my line of sight. Well, it was a good time and good thing he blew me away like I was still in the parking lot because the MP's came around.

My take: the 4 door almost 4 thousand lb tank took off without any thought of looking back or waiting. The fun S2K was a blast but had no short distance rocket power like my blue beast. It runs better at the AutoX than my car for sure though, but it seems like it would labor too much to keep up with my V8. Saying this I know that I need to do a freeway drive with it though, just to make sure, instead of the short "backroads" we were on.

Hp is nothin w/o torque

Some people just need to be educated; so much misinformation in this post. You just can't state something like that, people have to read that with a grain of salt.

There are 12 second Civics making 200 ft/lbs of torque.

Im with this guy...alot of misconceptions about the S2K. haha
Yeh SC'd with just the bolt-on kit runs anywhere from 270-300whp (There are two major kits, comptech and vortech, vortech giving the better gains)
There arent very many S2k's turboed, so if u did see one, u got lucky to get a chance to race one. Most of the turboed S2k's are 00-03, which im assuming, and they have a 9k redline, not 8k, which for the turbo is beneficial. The turbo S2ks are putting down quite a better numbers, 300-325. If u dont believe me, go ahead and do a search at s2ki.com.....

I say good race and good kill..the cars are almost dead even, the M having more torque, but the race from 70-100 isnt about the low torque curve anyway. I say the guy had a CAI, cause they do make great sounds on that car in VTEC/shifting. Ive played with M Roadsters a couple times on the freeway and its dead even. Kudos to you on being a better driver, but a FI S2K would walk a stock M Roadster imho.

Take it easy guyz...just my .02
-Steveo

I would have to agree its def not turbo. remember s2k are not heavy cars, just one of the reasons they are so fast with so little torque.

You sure it was turboed s2000? SCed S2000 can make that "Pshhhhhheee" noise with map sensor. My friend had a SCed s2000 with about 300 rwhp that used to make LOUD blowoff valve hissing noise.

I could imagine sced s2000 pulling away from s52 M roadster at a steady rate. And turboed s2000 (if done right) would pull a lot harder I would think from reading s2000 boards time to time (there is one that puts down close to 500 rwhp in tx).

You sure it was turboed s2000? SCed S2000 can make that "Pshhhhhheee" noise with map sensor. My friend had a SCed s2000 with about 300 rwhp that used to make LOUD blowoff valve hissing noise.

I could imagine sced s2000 pulling away from s52 M roadster at a steady rate. And turboed s2000 (if done right) would pull a lot harder I would think from reading s2000 boards time to time (there is one that puts down close to 500 rwhp in tx).

Ya but you could take the turbo ones right :buttrock lol

lol, you sure it was the S2k blowing off, an not ur radio or somin. :lol