I was driving on the 10w @ 80mph when I noticed a red firebird approaching behind me. I got over so he could pass me, but he slows along side of me and looks over. So I give him the head nod and he punches it. So I follow suit. Any ways He was ahead for a split second then I pulled on him We got up to 110 and I was about 7 car lengths in front of him when I had to exit.. He gave me the peace sign we ended it. I was amazed that my car beat it. It was a V6 for sure, it had aftermarket dual exhaust, if it were a v8 i woulda got smoked. all I have done to my 95 318is are lighting upgrades. It was a nice confidence booster, since I get beat by my GF's stock civic.

i find this hard to believe for some reason

yes so did I, maybe there is a 4 cyl firebird? maybe the chrome rims and tv's in his car slowed him down more?

v6 firebirds are a joke, IMO. i had no trouble against one with a full trunk and three passengers. :D now the WS6 and firehawks, that's a whole different story.

i honestly have to say I don't doubt it. V6 firebirds are about worthless. I beat one when I had a bad cam shaft sensor. If you've never expereienced it, pull a spark plug wire and drive around on 5 cylinders, that is probably a good representation of how your vehicle will drive. One tried ot race me, now I wasn't trying to race with my busted crap, but i had to give it everything I had, to go as fast as a civic in a straight line. I was just leaving a light and a completely modded out (at least looked like it) firebird, stayed dead even with me. I couldn't believe it. I was cracking up. Then later that night, a jacked up S10 took me from a light. (tossed in the s10, to show you how slow the firebird....and my car was).

Firechickens = unsporty sports cars

all I have done to my 95 318is are lighting upgrades.
You mean to say you have neons? :eek:

You mean to say you have neons? :eek:
I'm guessing he means he got HIDs and probably DDEs, but yes, it does make you think neons. :stickoutt

yes so did I, maybe there is a 4 cyl firebird?

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Ponticrack did make a 4-banger f-body from 82-86(?). Same 2.5L Iron Duke as in sunbird those years. Talk about pathetic...
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Any V-6 Camaro or Firebird is a joke. 1995 Camaro 0-60 9.34 seconds 1/4 mile 16.8
1996+ Camaro 0-60 8.00 seconds 1/4 mile 16.2

I have a modded 318ti and I can stay dead even with a mildly modded 5.0 mustang and they run a 15.37, but that is with a pro driver.

I have a modded 318ti and I can stay dead even with a mildly modded 5.0 mustang and they run a 15.37, but that is with a pro driver.

A mildly modded 5.0 will run much quicker than 15.37, they run quicker than that stock. Maybe if it was only running on 6 cylinders or something.

Nooooo I dont have neons. I just meant HID's +DDE's.. neons on a bmw? yuck

A mildly modded 5.0 will run much quicker than 15.37, they run quicker than that stock. Maybe if it was only running on 6 cylinders or something.

The 15.37 and the other numbers I wrote were from car-videos.com. They have a huge list of 0-60 and 1/4 mile times.

The 5.0 that I have raced has a 5 speed, staight pipes out the sides, and an intake. It also was running on all 8 cylinders. It surprised a lot of people, including me.

V6 Camaro's and Firebirds ARE a joke! I love them so much though cause they're such easy targets. I smoked a formula at 1604 and Babcock the other night. Absolute crap!

A mildly modded 5.0 will run much quicker than 15.37, they run quicker than that stock. Maybe if it was only running on 6 cylinders or something.

I had a stock 5.0 mustang run next to me at the norwalk drags and he ran a 15.5. So that sounds about right to me.

are you sure it was a formula? and not a firebird

My friend has a 1995 3.4l V6 Camaro and he thinks he can beat my 325is in a straight line. We have yet to race but now Im pretty confident Id smoke him.

hands down you'll win
i ran a 93 325 with a supercharged v6 that used walk all over v6 camaro's, and lost to it
....it was in a buick too

hands down you'll win
i ran a 93 325 with a supercharged v6 that used walk all over v6 camaro's, and lost to it
....it was in a buick too
I6, (just for your future knowledge). :)


But yes, you'd beat a v6 camaro. They are just as bad. I could easily hang with/beat (depending on driver) with my 95 Prelude S (140HP/TQ). Wasn't hard at all.

no the v6 supercharged was referring to the buick not the 325, but thanks for the info though

V6 Camaro's and Firebirds ARE a joke! I love them so much though cause they're such easy targets. I smoked a formula at 1604 and Babcock the other night. Absolute crap!

Funny, that's what I think about your car ;)

I had a stock 5.0 mustang run next to me at the norwalk drags and he ran a 15.5. So that sounds about right to me.

That's no where near right. Most 5.0 can get deep into the 14's . That one must have been a poorly taken care of auto.

no the v6 supercharged was referring to the buick not the 325, but thanks for the info though
ahh okay. Got confuzzled. ;)

That's no where near right. Most 5.0 can get deep into the 14's . That one must have been a poorly taken care of auto.

Exactly. The manuals are significantly quicker, and the trim also affects the times. A stripper 5 speed should be hitting mid 14's with a good driver.

this may be the legend of " The lil' 318 that could".... :devillook

I used to have an 89 Firebird, removed the pos 2.8L and placed a 3.4L under the 2.8's manifold, its a normal thing to do, plus i got the engine dirt cheap ^_^

either way, i raced plenty of 318s with it and i never lost, not saying that its better, saying it was a drivers game.
not sure what year bird you raced
2.8L does 135hp 160tq, 31L 140hp 170tq(not sure about torque numbers), and 3.4L 160hp and 200tq, plus depending on the year, you're either dealing with the 3400lbs or the 3000-3100lbs (newer years weigh more :P)
*edit* forgot to mention the 2000+ 3.8L 200hp 220tq

Also for those that don't know during the 82-92 generation of firebirds and camaros there were 4cyls dumped into the engine compartment, ol' iron duke.
did something to the extent of like 90bhp or 105 bhp i can't remember.

also for those of you that don't know, some of the 82-92 birds and maros are slow v8s... the TBI 5.0L ones are dirt slow, my v6 never lost to them -_- so for bragging rights you can say you beat a v8 :P :buttrock

being an x f-body owener (i have had 7) you guys seem to be forgetting about the 3rd generation f body (82-92) that came with a the 350 5.7 6 speed and the 3.4 turbo 5speed.try one of those out with your e36 325 328 or M.or how about the s10 blazer or s-10 pick up with the 4.3 turbo.or a regal with a 3.8 turbo.you guys seem to be talking baout all the gas saver GM v6's during emission years and forgeting about the performance one's built in those years aswell.or how about grandma's buick regal that comes with a 3.8 supercharged thats an even funnier one to get smoked by.

are you sure it was a formula? and not a firebird

Yeah I'm sure it was a formula. He obviously hadn't done any mods to it cause I beat him. Might come as big surprise to you, but not to me...I used to beat them in my 93 SE 5 speed Maxima. They're not that fast even though they have an 8.

Funny, that's what I think about your car

That's ok, I can take criticism...I bet you HATE getting beat by AMG's :awink

being an x f-body owener (i have had 7) you guys seem to be forgetting about the 3rd generation f body (82-92) that came with a the 350 5.7 6 speed and the 3.4 turbo 5speed.try one of those out with your e36 325 328 or M.or how about the s10 blazer or s-10 pick up with the 4.3 turbo.or a regal with a 3.8 turbo.you guys seem to be talking baout all the gas saver GM v6's during emission years and forgeting about the performance one's built in those years aswell.or how about grandma's buick regal that comes with a 3.8 supercharged thats an even funnier one to get smoked by.

Of course, I saw no one talking crap about smoking a 350 cu. in. engined Firebird witha 325/318/328i in here so what does this have do with anything? Yeah, there are some GM cars that were pretty significant sort of sleepers, if you will, but the F-body V6's with no mods don't fit into that category. I have much respect for the V8 American muscle car, but the V6's are still a joke and also a big fat stain on the history of those muscle cars they try to represent.

being an x f-body owener (i have had 7) you guys seem to be forgetting about the 3rd generation f body (82-92) that came with a the 350 5.7 6 speed and the 3.4 turbo 5speed.try one of those out with your e36 325 328 or M.or how about the s10 blazer or s-10 pick up with the 4.3 turbo.or a regal with a 3.8 turbo.you guys seem to be talking baout all the gas saver GM v6's during emission years and forgeting about the performance one's built in those years aswell.or how about grandma's buick regal that comes with a 3.8 supercharged thats an even funnier one to get smoked by.


the only 3rd gens with 6 spds were the 1 off firehawks, in their first year with worked 350s. And a few of the cop spec b4c l98s with 6 spd. These are very rare cars to come by mostly all 350s are going to be autos but quick nonetheless.

also the turbo TA you're referring to also only came auto and with a 3.8, damn fast cars though, mid 13s stock.

Also, with regard to the crap v6 camaros/firebirds. I have to disagree when it comes to the last gen from 96 up. They have a 3.8 with 200 hp.

My brother had a fully loaded 97 firebird. leather, power seats, t tops, etc. It was an auto, without the performance package (3.23 vs 3.42 rear and dual exhaust vs single). He ran 15.4@90 mph. Not bad.

A few years earlier I took my unlces then relatively new stripper firebird, a 96 5 spd, cd player but roll up windows, hard top etc. As light as you could get one to 14.8@93mph at ATCO (granted a quick track). That was stock 100%.

Of course, I saw no one talking crap about smoking a 350 cu. in. engined Firebird witha 325/318/328i in here so what does this have do with anything? Yeah, there are some GM cars that were pretty significant sort of sleepers, if you will, but the F-body V6's with no mods don't fit into that category. I have much respect for the V8 American muscle car, but the V6's are still a joke and also a big fat stain on the history of those muscle cars they try to represent.


I hardly think they're crap, its just like every other model out there that has their base model, and their premium package. I hardly consider it a stain in any history you might be thinking of... if so... you should put a fat stain in pretty much every other model of car ever made...

I'm not saying their race worthy... i should know i owned one... they're not.

The Turbo Trans Am was a beautiful model indeed! Fastet Fbody from 82-92, silly wittle 3.8L turbo. Too bad that TBI 5.0 305 was garbage...


But as i said, i mean... there's the slower kind and the faster kind... you got your 4cyl BMWs and you got your 6cyl, and plenty of other variations... In the end... its all about opinion and what you want and/or need. :redspot

That's ok, I can take criticism...I bet you HATE getting beat by AMG's :awink


I don't street race. When you grow up, you won't either.

I hardly think they're crap, its just like every other model out there that has their base model, and their premium package. I hardly consider it a stain in any history you might be thinking of... if so... you should put a fat stain in pretty much every other model of car ever made...

I'm not only referring to the fact that their slow, but they're also peices of crap. Have you ever seen one past 100K that still runs worth a damn? I haven't and I went to high school where everybody and their brother owned a V6 Mustang or F body and most of them were crap after about 40K.

But yes the Turbo Trans Am was a beautiful beast.

I don't street race. When you grow up, you won't either

Wow, you were quick to pull the maturity card. That's a classic and still great comeback. You mean to tell me you bought a Z06 and have NEVER pounded the throttle at a light? I'm calling your B.S. To tell you the truth, I don't really street race either. I mostly drive around the speed limit and watch the guys in rice rockets next to me next to me take off and look like morons. So don't be so quick to judge and PLEASE don't pull the "when you grow up crap". I've seen more in my short 23 years than you will ever see in your life. And if you're mad at me for turning this into an arguement, you shouldn't make snide comments like you did, cause you not only made derogatroy remarks toward me, but everyone else on this board who drives anything less than an M3. I was merely expressing my opinion of the V6 F bodies and you have to go turn it into a personal fight cause you think you're so clever.

I don't street race. When you grow up, you won't either.
glad to see you are a very productive part of this board. 13 posts since 2003, and the only two I've ever seen, were two sentence fragments making a snide comment. Wooo buddy, what would we do without this guy? :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes

I'm not only referring to the fact that their slow, but they're also peices of crap. Have you ever seen one past 100K that still runs worth a damn? I haven't and I went to high school where everybody and their brother owned a V6 Mustang or F body and most of them were crap after about 40K.

But yes the Turbo Trans Am was a beautiful beast.



Wow, you were quick to pull the maturity card. That's a classic and still great comeback. You mean to tell me you bought a Z06 and have NEVER pounded the throttle at a light? I'm calling your B.S. To tell you the truth, I don't really street race either. I mostly drive around the speed limit and watch the guys in rice rockets next to me next to me take off and look like morons. So don't be so quick to judge and PLEASE don't pull the "when you grow up crap". I've seen more in my short 23 years than you will ever see in your life. And if you're mad at me for turning this into an arguement, you shouldn't make snide comments like you did, cause you not only made derogatroy remarks toward me, but everyone else on this board who drives anything less than an M3. I was merely expressing my opinion of the V6 F bodies and you have to go turn it into a personal fight cause you think you're so clever.


Okay both you and Z06 are in the wrong.

Ofcourse he has pounded the throttle....but it is only a race if you are going up against someone, right?

You saying that you have seen more in your life than other people....you are a joke. I hate to say it, but you will understand when you get older.

Yeah I'm sure it was a formula. He obviously hadn't done any mods to it cause I beat him. Might come as big surprise to you, but not to me...I used to beat them in my 93 SE 5 speed Maxima. They're not that fast even though they have an 8.



That's ok, I can take criticism...I bet you HATE getting beat by AMG's :awink



Of course, I saw no one talking crap about smoking a 350 cu. in. engined Firebird witha 325/318/328i in here so what does this have do with anything? Yeah, there are some GM cars that were pretty significant sort of sleepers, if you will, but the F-body V6's with no mods don't fit into that category. I have much respect for the V8 American muscle car, but the V6's are still a joke and also a big fat stain on the history of those muscle cars they try to represent.
just so you knw the formula comes with a 305 aswell so you might have raced the 305.in any event my 325is with an intake and cat back agenst my 92 rs camaro v8 30f with an intake headers and cat back was an even run until up top i would start walking away in the bimmer.this is the closest to stock race i can tell ya about.i now have way to many mods on the both of them to compare at this piont.in any even t i sold my body one of my camaro's witch is the rs model (auto) with the junk 305 int and it has an exhuast on it.if anyone with a stock318 wants to race it that would be fun. or one even with an exhuast or intake.than we can find out the truth to the story.also the camaro has over 200k on the original motor.

You saying that you have seen more in your life than other people....you are a joke. I hate to say it, but you will understand when you get older.

How many times have you lived through leukemia? That's what I thought...

just so you knw the formula comes with a 305 aswell so you might have raced the 305.in any event my 325is with an intake and cat back agenst my 92 rs camaro v8 30f with an intake headers and cat back was an even run until up top i would start walking away in the bimmer.this is the closest to stock race i can tell ya about.i now have way to many mods on the both of them to compare at this piont.in any even t i sold my body one of my camaro's witch is the rs model (auto) with the junk 305 int and it has an exhuast on it.if anyone with a stock318 wants to race it that would be fun. or one even with an exhuast or intake.than we can find out the truth to the story.also the camaro has over 200k on the original motor.

That's good, sounds like you've taken care of that RS. I did race the 305, not the 350, that wouldn't even be worth the gasoline! :D Hands down, a 350 would smoke my ass like standing still.

How many times have you lived through leukemia? That's what I thought...

That is one of the most immature statements you have said on this board. You should be... I do not even know what to say.

You have no clue about any of our life experiences.


(but anyways, since when does Leukemia have anything to do with street racing?)

just so you knw the formula comes with a 305 aswell so you might have raced the 305.in any event my 325is with an intake and cat back agenst my 92 rs camaro v8 30f with an intake headers and cat back was an even run until up top i would start walking away in the bimmer.this is the closest to stock race i can tell ya about.i now have way to many mods on the both of them to compare at this piont.in any even t i sold my body one of my camaro's witch is the rs model (auto) with the junk 305 int and it has an exhuast on it.if anyone with a stock318 wants to race it that would be fun. or one even with an exhuast or intake.than we can find out the truth to the story.also the camaro has over 200k on the original motor.

the 305 you're talking about is the TBI (throttle body injection [essentially an electronically controlled carburator i.e. POS) 305 v8 motor. These things were seriously underpowed for a v8, considering the TPI (tuned port injection) 305 which made probably 50-60 more HP and was reasonably quick, esp when teamed with a 5 spd. The general way to get a std in these cars.

they say
"tuned port injection" on the lower driver side rear, and found on irocs and z28s. The RS either v6 (3.1 or 5.0 tbi) were called in my circles CAMARO 'really slow'

Joe

I'm not only referring to the fact that their slow, but they're also peices of crap. Have you ever seen one past 100K that still runs worth a damn? I haven't and I went to high school where everybody and their brother owned a V6 Mustang or F body and most of them were crap after about 40K.



Actually i had one in perfect running condition at 115K-140K so i guess you're wrong, and before you say that i'm like the only one... i had a friend with a 3.4L 95 Bird that was also in outstanding shape.
You're confusing them with cars owned by people who don't take care of them very well. As i repeat mine was an 89, so thats two different generations. And i admit a lot of people owned 6ers, but that means theres a crap load of people who can't take care of a car for worth of anything. I have a 95 6 mustang, wasn't taken very well cared of before i owned it so its crapping out now at 115K but as i repeat, its crapping out now... not 40K. can't wait to leave that car tho, i never liked it.

the 305 you're talking about is the TBI (throttle body injection [essentially an electronically controlled carburator i.e. POS) 305 v8 motor. These things were seriously underpowed for a v8, considering the TPI (tuned port injection) 305 which made probably 50-60 more HP and was reasonably quick, esp when teamed with a 5 spd. The general way to get a std in these cars.

they say
"tuned port injection" on the lower driver side rear, and found on irocs and z28s. The RS either v6 (3.1 or 5.0 tbi) were called in my circles CAMARO 'really slow'

Joe
exactly the 5.0 TBI was the slowest thats why we need to get a race going between these cars ill supply the camaro someone supply a e36.it will be funny.me and my freinds always have funny race's.caravans agenst hyundai's all types of stupid cars just for joke, thpse races are almost more fun then ehen you have 2 actuall fast cars.couse its just outright humur.

How about, EVERYONE grow up... instead of fighting on a message board on the internet... :rolleyes