I decided to take my a$$ down to the illegals yesturday just to hangout with a few people and show off my new m3. There were some extremely fast Hondas, and Evos there but a guy shows up in a Mit. GSX. People were telling me he was quick running 13's etc. He asked me if I wanted to race and I was down for a few runs.

We make our way to a one way street with two lanes wtih absolutly no traffic or else I wouldnt have done it. We went with the 3 beep takeoff. We both had passengers in our cars. I reved to 3k and held it there. 3 beeps went down and I drop and go. Screemed my baby to 7,500 and slamed the UUC evo III into 2nd without flaw and began chirping second, but it really didnt matter. I began to pull about 3-4cls on him. By the time I got to 100 or so he was WAY WAY back. He pulls up and tells me he missed 2nd. HTF do you miss second? ohh well k one more time

This time around I do the 3 honks. again im sitting at 3k but I decided to mess with him and give him a cl off the start :devillook 3 honks later hes off and a full car infront until I hit it. Rear end took to the ground and front just lifted and I was off like I just stole some sh*t from Kmart:) Began to pull next to him right as I was hitting around 7k and the AA gen III was screeeeeeeemmmmmmmmmmmiiiiiiinnnnnnnggggg next to his window and again put my baby to 2nd without flaw and once more to 100 he was about 8-10clths back. Now im not saying anything on the carlengths. He was the one whom told me how far back he got beat.

a few other cars i beat for the night were

98 4.8l mustang with intake, exhaust
95 m3 stock that was fun
hatchback wtih a b20 swap with intake

Im just loving my damn car :buttrock

I'd guess his gsx was bone stock, maybe exhaust (common mod). If you beat him that bad. Also was the mustang bored out or something, or did you typo when you put 4.8?

What mods do you have done to your car(besides gen3 exhaust ;)? But all in all sounds like your car is damn nice out there.

If the gsx runs 13s, how did you kill him by so much?

If the gsx runs 13s, how did you kill him by so much?
I think the 13's was just ricers talking about a car they knew nothing about. If the eclipse volunteered the 10 cl distance, then I'm sure he knew his car wasn't that fast. But it was probably all the kids that said, "0h my G4wD, h3 h4s a turb0!11!!1 He 1s h3ll4 f4st!!!"

yea i have the the following performance mods :)

cosmos intake
aa custom burned chip
aa gen III
uuc evo III

this is one of those factory freak motors cuz it pulled on the stock m3 by cars and it was a freeway run too. but i knew his car wasent stock when i raced it. he boosted 15 psi as i was told and he didnt know how to drive to well i mean i out launched him and he has awd....b

yea i have the the following performance mods :)

cosmos intake
aa custom burned chip
aa gen III
uuc evo III

this is one of those factory freak motors cuz it pulled on the stock m3 by cars and it was a freeway run too. but i knew his car wasent stock when i raced it. he boosted 15 psi as i was told and he didnt know how to drive to well i mean i out launched him and he has awd....b
ahhh okay, so either way he isn't in the 13's. :lol3

But yeah, i remmeber another story, where I thought you might have had cams.

Good kill. My friend (actually I can't stand him) has a modded GSX and it's pretty quick. I still take him from a roll though but from a dig it's crazy fast :P

If the gsx runs 13s, how did you kill him by so much?


GSX are low 15 sec cars stock with a normal driver. Lightly modded will get you to high 13s. To be under 13s in a GSX will cost some heavy modding.

It's the GST that's faster and easier to mod because its FWD and not AWD.

It's the GST that's faster and easier to mod because its FWD and not AWD.

Uhh, come again? AWD > FWD

Uhh, come again? AWD > FWD
even stock, the 0-60 on the GST was .1 sec faster than the GSX. It is a good bit heavier. It is good on a launch. But I believe the better car overall is the GST.

even stock, the 0-60 on the GST was .1 sec faster than the GSX. It is a good bit heavier. It is good on a launch. But I believe the better car overall is the GST.I've owned both the Talon TSI AWD ,Talon TSI FWD,and Eclipse GSX

The GSX and talon TSI AWD are the all around better cars.they are heavier, have Bigger brakes and callipers,Reinforced body for AWD,they have AWD,Better handling safer car especially at high speeds.Modded the GSX/talon AWD is much quicker in the 1/4 mile.The FWD(GST)/Talon FWD car needs Slicks to run in the 1/4 to get great times but when it hooks it produces higher trap speeds.

An equally modded GST/Talon FWD will rape an equally modded GSX/Talon AWD on the highway. But the GSX/Talon AWD are still the all around better cars and are also much more expensive and can be more fun to drive.

Uhh, come again? AWD > FWD


no no! AWD is great for launching, but at longer runs, the AWD eats up too much HP and slows the car down. But if you don't have enough HP, the AWD will be slower than the FWD GST because AWD is much heavier.

no no! AWD is great for launching, but at longer runs, the AWD eats up too much HP and slows the car down. But if you don't have enough HP, the AWD will be slower than the FWD GST because AWD is much heavier.CORRECT and mostly because of GEARING!You can hold the gears much longer in a FWD DSM because of the final drive gear ratio.

CORRECT and mostly because of GEARING!You can hold the gears much longer in a FWD DSM because of the final drive gear ratio.


Whats the final drive for the GSX and GST? I learn that bigger final drive= slower top speed but faster launching.

Whats the final drive for the GSX and GST? I learn that bigger final drive= slower top speed but faster launching.Correct !http://www.vfaq.com/mods/Trannies.html

Correct !http://www.vfaq.com/mods/Trannies.html


Wow! That's some really short gearing :D Thanks!

even stock, the 0-60 on the GST was .1 sec faster than the GSX. It is a good bit heavier. It is good on a launch. But I believe the better car overall is the GST.
perhaps but those are magazine numbers.....you know what we do to magazine racers. ;)

a dsm awd will respond to big hp upgrades better since you can actually put the power to the ground.

-Ron

perhaps but those are magazine numbers.....you know what we do to magazine racers. ;)
Praise them? :devillook



a dsm awd will respond to big hp upgrades better since you can actually put the power to the ground.

-Ron
well carl just proved my version right. The FWD is better for mods, but it is just a matter of the power delivery that is in question. I had a manager with a GST, he would lose traction on his 1-2 shift everytime, and it wasn't jsut a chirp, but a constant slipping. Because he had on just streets tires.

all that power is no good unless you can put it to the floor.

Praise them? :devillook



well carl just proved my version right. The FWD is better for mods, but it is just a matter of the power delivery that is in question. I had a manager with a GST, he would lose traction on his 1-2 shift everytime, and it wasn't jsut a chirp, but a constant slipping. Because he had on just streets tires.I never stated that the GST was better for mods Chaz.From a take off it won't be able to put the power down to the ground anywhere as effectively as an AWD car.The more power you add to the GST with street tires,the worse off the line the traction would get.The car would only benefit from a 3rd gear roll on the expressway.But all around and modd wise the GSX is the better car.Power delivery is a big and important difference between the two. Take both cars on a road course and you'll see who benefits from mods most.It will be the GSX!

I never stated that the GST was better for mods Chaz.From a take off it won't be able to put the power down to the ground anywhere as effectively as an AWD car.The more power you add to the GST with street tires,the worse off the line the traction would get.The car would only benefit from a 3rd gear roll on the expressway.But all around and modd wise the GSX is the better car.Power delivery is a big and important difference between the two. Take both cars on a road course and you'll see who benefits from mods most.It will be the GSX!
oh, I know exactly what you two are saying. I was just saying for the POWAH! itself, the gst is better. But for a better vehicle the GSX because it can actually use the power it has. That is all I was merely saying.

oh, I know exactly what you two are saying. I was just saying for the POWAH! itself, the gst is better. But for a better vehicle the GSX because it can actually use the power it has. That is all I was merely saying.They would both have the same pwr but the GSX put's it down better!

They would both have the same pwr but the GSX put's it down better!
what about drive train loss?

what about drive train loss?OK I understand what you're saying but the power from the GST is only useful in a 3rd gear roll on the expressway or on a dyno.If you drop the transfer case on the AWD during dyno tuning you will make pretty much the same WHP.

OK I understand what you're saying but the power from the GST is only useful in a 3rd gear roll on the expressway or on a dyno.If you drop the transfer case on the AWD during dyno tuning you will make pretty much the same WHP.
yeah, I was pretty much just talking about on a dyno or what not. But glad we're on the same page now. Also thanks for the extra bit of info about dsm's anyways. I love to learn more about cars. :)

I had a similar experience with a GSX. He lived down the road from me and many people told me it was 'sub-13'.

Well, about a year later, I was picking up some Arizona Green Tea from Target and he was driving circles in the parking lot. He follows my M out to the first stoplight. Light turns green and... That things is A: bone stock B: has a horrible driver b/c all hes doing is falling CL behind and rev-ing through the roof. :confused

I was really hoping it would be fast. It has all these "DTM parts", no body kit or wings, just wheels and headlamps.

Any dyno numbers on your car?

Any dyno numbers on your car?
I haven't run any m3 in my area...whose?

m4life

realistically that gsx ran no faster than a mid 14.

realistically that gsx ran no faster than a mid 14.3kgt vr4 a True Classic! Looks clean,very nice! ;) Get rid of the AFC and the LS6 maf and go AEM!You'll be quite impressed. :)