Motor Force has given the Okay with a Group Buy.
This is a Great Product and E36 And E30s will be availble


* Compatible with 2.5" and 60 mm Coil-Over springs, factory springs (both M3 and base model), and all struts.
* No need to change camber plates when switching from regular springs to coil-overs! Some companies sell you two totally different camber plates for coil-over springs and factory style springs.
* Installs with basic hand tools, no modifications required.
* Plates are designed specifically for E36 BMWs or E30 BMWs.
* Caster & Camber is independently adjustable.
* Camber is easily adjustable at the track from the engine compartment with simple hand tools. No need to reach inside the wheel well with a wrench!
* The Aurora brand aircraft quality spherical bearing used in the MotorForce camber plate is the largest used in any BMW camber plate. The result is much better durability and wear characteristics than the undersized bearings used in our competitors plates.
* Designed for maximum suspension bump travel. More than an inch more travel than some of our competitors!
* All components plated for maximum corrosion resistance and long life.
* Upper spring perches required; sold separately.
* Available for the E36 BMW for only $299, plus shipping (add 8.25% sales tax for Texas residents). Order Now.
* Available for the E30 BMW for only $235, plus shipping (add 8.25% sales tax for Texas residents). Order Now.



E36= $280
E30= $220

+ 10 people and another $5 can come off.

These are Great Kits. At the Best Price. Using Aerospace quality materials you know they will last.
http://www.motor-force.com/pictures/E30CCtop.jpg
http://www.motor-force.com/pictures/camberplate_top_final.jpg

What's the cost of shipping?

Any discount on the spring perches?

about $10.

Spring Perches take 10% off

So we're looking at $354 total for E36 plates shipped, with spring perch.

I'm interested, let me know how to order.

i would like a few people in before we start taking orders

Do they have perch for non-M stock spring?

here you go

1036002-00 Upper Spring Perch for 2.5" Coil Over springs with factory struts, Koni, Bilstein Twin Tube, Sachs, Boge and other twin tube struts. Available now!

1036003-00 Upper Spring Perch for Factory 1995 M3 and E30 springs with factory struts, Koni, Bilstein Twin Tube, Sachs, Boge and other twin tube struts. Available now!

1036015-00 Upper Spring Perch for Factory 1996-99 M3 springs with factory struts, Koni, Bilstein Twin Tube, Sachs, Boge and other twin tube struts. Available now!

1036005-00 Upper Spring Perch for 2.5" Coil Over springs with Bilstein Monotube inverted struts. Available now!

1036011-00 Upper Spring Perch for 60mm Coil Over springs with factory struts, Koni, Bilstein Twin Tube, Sachs, Boge and other twin tube struts. Available now!

1036012-00 Upper Spring Perch for 60mm Coil Over springs with Bilstein Monotube inverted struts. Available now!

Not really a savings at all . At this price i'm in no rush to buy and may buy GC since Motorforce looks like a cheap replica of GC with only a $20 savings but now your offering $35 off the replica

Not really a savings at all . At this price i'm in no rush to buy and may buy GC since Motorforce looks like a cheap replica of GC with only a $20 savings but now your offering $35 off the replica
your calling it cheap?. i dont think so.

http://www.motor-force.com/pictures/bearings_2.jpg

your calling it cheap?. i dont think so.

http://www.motor-force.com/pictures/bearings_2.jpg

Yes I am !!!And the pic of the bearingd are old contact GC to see their new bearings so you can show the truth instead of what motorforce wants you to see . Now I know that you have not read any of the long camber plate threads on this forum .

Just wanted to chime in and say this is a great deal on some great camber plates. I've been running them on my 99 M3 for most of this track season and on the street. They do not make any noise on the street and they are very well made...not to mention MotorForce's customer service is outstanding.

Good luck with this GB. :buttrock

Good luck everyone . Stevefazek -Supporting Vendor just PM'ed me asking me to stop trolling . I guess he can't prove me wrong on my last post about the bearings , so he PM's like a *itch . I'm not broke so I'm not impressed at the $30 savings once you add the mandatory spring perches .

Good luck everyone . Stevefazek -Supporting Vendor just PM'ed me asking me to stop trolling . I guess he can't prove me wrong on my last post about the bearings , so he PM's like a *itch . I'm not broke so I'm not impressed at the $30 savings once you add the mandatory spring perches .


if your not impressed why the hell are you even posting in the thread? who cares what youd rather spend your money on, just cause you dont like the savings doesnt mean you have to try to rip apart someone whos just trying to help people out. i dont know steve and i've never bought anything from him, but i recently see that hes setting up a ton of group buys when no one else is...ie these camber plates that everyone asked for and no body else would jump on board.

Now if you want to go tear apart peoples threads go do it in the OT section and leave these for people who just want to buy whats being offered

Not really a savings at all . At this price i'm in no rush to buy and may buy GC since Motorforce looks like a cheap replica of GC with only a $20 savings but now your offering $35 off the replica

I had a set of GC camber plates on my old car....hated the install, hated the design...basically hated them. Saw a friend's set of Motor Forces and they are very much an improvement over the GC units. I have ordered a set for my new project car- should be here this week.

Motor Foce is the only game in town if you want to initally use stock type springs and later change the spring perch and go to coil over type springs.

let me stop this debate:

my friend, jason, has a
98 m3 4 door
ground control school SA coil overs
Ground control plates

I have a 97 m3 2 door
ground control school SA coil overs
Motor-force plates

1. when he turns his wheel, he hears popping from the spring rotating due to a badly designed spring perch
2. the bearing on the motor-force is better, it's rated for a car that will be dual purpose, the ground control is rated for a track only car (not meant to take a small pothole
motorforce bearing: 7000lbs of instantaneous force (max load)
ground control bearing: 4800lbs of instantaneous force (max load)

WHen I started to talk about this with a shop owner who supported ground control, he got upset with me, and berated me for wanting to save a buck, which is not what I wanted to do at all, I wanted the better product, which is what I have.

Anyone who argues the points I've made above (other than to 'slightly' correct my numbers) is ignorant in the matter, or, is trying to sell a ground control product.

If anyone would like to know more about my experience (had them on for around 6 months now), I'd be happy to share.

Thanks for your time,
-Ben

p.s. the owner of motor-force originally had GC plates, and wasn't happy with their performance, so he made a better one, this is why he started motor-force.

Ok how come no one has mentioned that GC has newer bearings , you are all talking about 1 year+ models . And I'm not a vendor or reseller so I have nothing to gain by trashing motorforce . This vendor (Stevefazek
Supporting Vendor ) knows nothing about what he is selling , last week he tried to sell us SPC camberplates at full retail price . The SPC camberplates don't have enough adjustment like others , a fellow BFC member had a hard time selling a brand new pair for $250 took him over a month and he may still have them . I have read all the camber plate threads and GC brings up alot of points that Motorforce does not have the answers too . All I want is a great pair of camber plates (not Kmac) , so if I'm gonna spend around $400 I want to make the right decision .Also read about the people that got bad bearings from GC can get free replacements , but some would rather leave them one so they can complain . Now if honda came out with a replica M3 for $500 cheaper than a BMW M3 would you try it ? Probably not , but for $30,000 you may consider

I was Mearly suggesting various brands of Camber Plates

I have read all the camber plate threads and GC brings up alot of points that Motorforce does not have the answers too .

Could you post a link to these unanswered questions? Thanks.

All I want is a great pair of camber plates (not Kmac) , so if I'm gonna spend around $400 I want to make the right decision .

An informed customer is a smart customer. You can read all about the MF camber plates on their site (www.motor-force.com). I don't think you can say that about the other vendors.

Also read about the people that got bad bearings from GC can get free replacements , but some would rather leave them one so they can complain .

While this is true, and I applaud GC and the other vendors for doing what is right, it has become something vendors have to do. It is very expensive for smaller companies to make mistakes and live up to them. Doing what is right goes a long way to ensure customer loyalty.

Now if honda came out with a replica M3 for $500 cheaper than a BMW M3 would you try it ? Probably not , but for $30,000 you may consider

Not sure what your point is here, but from what I can see, Steve is offering a proven product at a price lower than what the general public can purchase them for. If the public wants to buy that product, why would you stop them? At the same time, if the public doesn't want to buy that product, no one should be persuading them to do so.

If you have tech that states why one product is better than the other, then by all means, start a new thread and post it. If you have personal experiences with both products, then please, start a new thread and get the discussion rolling.

As I said earlier... an informed customer is a smart customer and the open forums are an excellent place to become informed when used properly.

something else to think about, just in sheer design.

The GC strut bearings need to be lubricated. Consider, what might something that is open to the air and needs to lubricated suffer from? Contamination.

The MF bearings are teflon lined, and never need to be lubricated.

So how many people are in....i wouldnt mind another $5 off

something else to think about, just in sheer design.

The GC strut bearings need to be lubricated. Consider, what might something that is open to the air and needs to lubricated suffer from? Contamination.

The MF bearings are teflon lined, and never need to be lubricated.


First of all are you 100% sure about that or is this more here say , you do know they have changed bearings ? Beause everyone is talking about the OLD GC Plates and not giving their new line upa chance . Also alot of talk about noisy track setups , I'm talking about the GC Hybrid Street plates but no one else is and thats where motorforce resembles them minus the degeee markings and finish .and last question for any motor-force Expert , How long have the motor-force plates been on the market ? just wondering

I'm not looking to fight anymore , all I want is the best plates for the money .

Count me in for a pair of E36 camber plates with perches for GC Coilovers. Assuming the GB gets going...

1)Kenshiro
2)Ralliart
3)Shudogg

1) Kenshiro
2) Ralliart
3) Shudogg
4) M3Armand

I'm in, also need spring perches for GC coilovers, Let me know when everything is good to go.

Thanks,

Tu

1) Kenshiro
2) Ralliart
3) Shudogg
4) M3Armand
4) Elusive303

Count me in for a pair of E36 camber plates with perches for GC Coilovers. Assuming the GB gets going...me too

1) Kenshiro
2) Ralliart
3) Shudogg
4) M3Armand
5) Elusive303
6)BKN

7.) MVEED3

FYI, e36 plates w/H&R coilover perches.

Thanks Steve for your work. The compensation MF will provide you is probably negated after having to put extra time in dealing with the lurking troll. Props for sticking it out and doing this for us.


Allen

son of a biatch. I just received my MF camber plates and perches. good bye to the groan when I turn the wheels!

agreed, thank you steve for sticking out. (and I'm not even buying)

hey i want to Bring what customers want. I really dont think he was a troll he just had a Few concerns and addressed them the wrong way. Motorforce is very curious about how well this group buy goes. They want to get word out on their products.
I'll let this Run untill Monday give it a Full 2 week ends just to be fair to everyone who may want this and then Close the Group buy and take payment.
So set Close Date Monday the 22nd. Please make payments on tuesday-weds. And we shall get them out asap.

thanks guys
steve

how do we place an order for these MF plates and GC track/school perches?

Email Me at sfazekas@shoreline-motorsports.com

i feel like such a dick head, financial emergency - im gonna have to drop out....so sorry

so i guess ill have to keep goin through tires now


really, true appoligizies

What's a spring perch?

I have KW Variant II coilovers and am in the market for camber plates. What else is needed?

http://motor-force.com/upperperches.html


Allen

howcome noones mentioned how much adjustabilty there is on these camber plates? I hear that the lower quality k-mac plates have hardly any, something like -2, +2 camber.. with these MF plates will i be able to run -3(what ive been wanting) front camber on my e36?

howcome noones mentioned how much adjustabilty there is on these camber plates? I hear that the lower quality k-mac plates have hardly any, something like -2, +2 camber.. with these MF plates will i be able to run -3(what ive been wanting) front camber on my e36?
Due to how low I have my car (too low really), the most POSITIVE I can go in camber is -2.6 degrees. I could easily go to -4 or more negative camber. I have mine setup to go -2.6 on the street, and and -3.5 for the track.

1) Kenshiro
2) Ralliart
3) Mveed3
4) M3Armand
5) Elusive303
6)BKN

Anyone Else In i plan own Closing this Monday

1) Kenshiro
2) Ralliart
3) Mveed3
4) M3Armand
5) Elusive303
6)BKN

Anyone Else In i plan own Closing this MondaySince I'm on the list am I counted as being "in" on this GB and pay after Monday or do I need to send payment before Monday?

monday

i soo o want to be in on this... but id be broke there after. i need to save for brakes first.. i guess you will see me purchasing them in a month or two at full price, because i know these are what i want.

1) Kenshiro
2) Ralliart
3) Mveed3
4) M3Armand
5) Elusive303
6) BKN
7) 300ZXNA

Anyone Else In i plan own Closing this Monday

Count me in.

I need the perches for ground control coilovers with koni SA's.

Closing tonight People who are In Please Use Paypal or email me for paying with a credit card.


Price is
$280 for the camber Plates
$10 Shipping
10% off spring perches

let me stop this debate:

my friend, jason, has a
98 m3 4 door
ground control school SA coil overs
Ground control plates

I have a 97 m3 2 door
ground control school SA coil overs
Motor-force plates

1. when he turns his wheel, he hears popping from the spring rotating due to a badly designed spring perch
2. the bearing on the motor-force is better, it's rated for a car that will be dual purpose, the ground control is rated for a track only car (not meant to take a small pothole
motorforce bearing: 7000lbs of instantaneous force (max load)
ground control bearing: 4800lbs of instantaneous force (max load)

WHen I started to talk about this with a shop owner who supported ground control, he got upset with me, and berated me for wanting to save a buck, which is not what I wanted to do at all, I wanted the better product, which is what I have.

Anyone who argues the points I've made above (other than to 'slightly' correct my numbers) is ignorant in the matter, or, is trying to sell a ground control product.

If anyone would like to know more about my experience (had them on for around 6 months now), I'd be happy to share.

Thanks for your time,
-Ben

p.s. the owner of motor-force originally had GC plates, and wasn't happy with their performance, so he made a better one, this is why he started motor-force.


Love the pre-emptive "anyone who says otherwise is ignorant" bull. Classic stuff.

GC has a different bearing...

Interesting that someone has finally admitted that Motorforce copied the GC plates.

As for your buddy with the popping sound...it's a 30 second fix that requres no tools at all...part of basic maintenance.

BTW, are these plates like the E46 M3 plates...can't run a strut brace with those...ask me how I know...

BTW, are these plates like the E46 M3 plates...can't run a strut brace with those...ask me how I know...

I hope this isn't the case. Can anybody comment?

BTW, are these plates like the E46 M3 plates...can't run a strut brace with those...ask me how I know...

Could it be that you are looking at a pre-production set of plates which are spray painted black?

Ask me how I know?

I hope this isn't the case. Can anybody comment?

This is not a problem with the E36 and E30 plates.

If you look at the strut tower on the E46 cars, the 3 bolt holes are slotted vs. a single hole on the E30/E36/E28/2002 cars.

BMW allows you to move the plates in the slot... but when you add the M3 strut bar, it expects it to be in a certain spot (basically centered in the slots).

The production E46 plates (soon to be released) have this issue resolved.

The pre-production proto-types do not (and the owner of the car (referenced above) is well aware of the issue).

Interesting that someone has finally admitted that Motorforce copied the GC plates.

Once again, you are wrong.

GC has a different bearing...

Excellent. Now the consumers of their product won't have anything to complain about.

Count me in too - hopefully it's not too late.

Just one question: Will these work with the Ground Control Track/School Kit on a '98 E36 M3?

No its not To late. Not everyone paid yet so the deal isnt sealed. You can Paypal me at sfazekas@shoreline-motorsports.com.
I am Against paypal but i finally cracked

the Following people have paid.

Michael P From NY

Robert D From IL

Chad S Shipping info recieved
Allen R From CA

people please pay asap so everyone can get their products with out waiting

You mean Rob D. from Mi??

Yes sorry lol

Shipping info sent . . .

This is not a problem with the E36 and E30 plates.

If you look at the strut tower on the E46 cars, the 3 bolt holes are slotted vs. a single hole on the E30/E36/E28/2002 cars.

BMW allows you to move the plates in the slot... but when you add the M3 strut bar, it expects it to be in a certain spot (basically centered in the slots).

Bull. As and E46 M3 owner, I know better, as do the dozens upon dozens of guys who have removed the assembly pin and maxed out their camber with the OEM strut bar. Your contention that the OEM strut bar eliminates the ability to adjust camber on an E46 M3 is lame.


The production E46 plates (soon to be released) have this issue resolved.

The pre-production proto-types do not (and the owner of the car (referenced above) is well aware of the issue).

I wont speak for said owner, but I can guarantee you he is aware of the problem.

Bull. As and E46 M3 owner, I know better, as do the dozens upon dozens of guys who have removed the assembly pin and maxed out their camber with the OEM strut bar. Your contention that the OEM strut bar eliminates the ability to adjust camber on an E46 M3 is lame.

I didn't say anything about it limiting the ability to adjust camber. What I said is:

"If you look at the strut tower on the E46 cars, the 3 bolt holes are slotted vs. a single hole on the E30/E36/E28/2002 cars.

BMW allows you to move the plates in the slot... but when you add the M3 strut bar, it expects it to be in a certain spot (basically centered in the slots).

The holes are slotted and the ring is centered in the slots (when the pin is in place). This fixed position of the support ring matches to the M3 strut bar.

However, if your support ring (the three bolt ring that goes up through the plate and locates it to the strut tower) doesn't have the bolts located in a manner which centers them in the slots (ie: same spread of the spacing on the strut bar), then the brace does not fit.

We missed that because we were fitting the beta plates on a non-m car without the strut bar. We were trying to force the ring to the outer most position so that driveway mechanics could do the install without trying to figure out if the rings needed to be centered, shifted back or shifted forward. We obviously missed the strut bar issue.... and that's why these E46 plates you are hung up on are BETA PLATES. You'll notice that these plates are not currently available for sale.

This isn't an issue on non E46 cars because the factory holes in the strut tower are not slotted.

I wont speak for said owner, but I can guarantee you he is aware of the problem.

No kidding? So am I since I dropped the plates off to him. He's also aware of the issues I've mentioned above because I talk to said owner and actually fit the beta plates on a car in his yard (without the brace, damnit). He will also be the first person to receive a production set which will work just as they should with the M3 bar.

If you want to continue this, I ask that you take it to PM or e-mail me so as not to clutter up Steve's GB.

Elusive303 paid

alright people please pay.

since i only have payment info via email with their real names and i dont want to give out personal info please PM people with me

1) Kenshiro PAID
2) Ralliart PAID
3) Mveed3 PAID
4) M3Armand
5) Elusive303 PAID
6) BKN
7) 300ZXNA PAID

How much for the E36 plate plus whatever I need to mate this up with the Billstien Pss9 coilver kit that tuner is selling. I maybe interested in this GB and Tuners GB on the Pss9 setup. Give me a bottom line price including shipping to Maryland.

Thanks

344 total shipped

alright people please pay.

since i only have payment info via email with their real names and i dont want to give out personal info please PM people with me

Just an FYI that I'm not a "deadbeat", I've called Motor Force numerous times for a question regarding:

1) Do I need to purchase a spring perch if I am using STOCK springs and STOCK shocks?
2) Will I need to purchase an additional spring perch if I upgrade to Koni shocks?

These are simple questions. I've left them numerous v-mails and have also e-mailed them since last week. One would think these two questions are no-brainers for them to answer so I am a little concerned as to why they just don't send me an e-mail and be done with it. My issue is this: if I buy spring perches w/camber plates for my 1999 E36 M3 and it turns out that I don't need spring perches, then I will end up going through a major hassle with sending them back to Steve, going through shipping charges, getting back credit on my credit card, etc. etc. etc. - hassles I'm trying to avoid.

I did receive an e-mail from Brian (thanks!) today apologizing for the delay (vacations, etc.), but my questions were still not answered.

As soon as I get confirmation for my questions, I'll be calling Steve ASAP for payment. Sorry for delay... But Steve's got the minimum 5 people so I assume there shouldn't be a delay...

I know your not a dead beat sorry.
Yes you will need to Purchase the Spring Perches. Depending on the model you Order.
Just trying to get keep everyone happy.

Just an FYI that I'm not a "deadbeat", I've called Motor Force numerous times for a question regarding...

I'm assuming and hoping that MF isn't getting back to you because they're busy filling the GB order. Besides, both of your questions can easily be answered by going to their website.


Allen

yep they are working on the GB

I am very confused and disappointed. Everyone keeps raving about motorforce "excellent service". I was hoping to build a relationship with a business, but this is some guys house?
I am trying to get in the group buy for 4 days too so please check the emails from me too.
is it because texas is jealous of North Dakota? seems like guys in texas are the only ones talking about excellent service.




Just an FYI that I'm not a "deadbeat", I've called Motor Force numerous times for a question regarding:

1) Do I need to purchase a spring perch if I am using STOCK springs and STOCK shocks?
2) Will I need to purchase an additional spring perch if I upgrade to Koni shocks?

These are simple questions. I've left them numerous v-mails and have also e-mailed them since last week. One would think these two questions are no-brainers for them to answer so I am a little concerned as to why they just don't send me an e-mail and be done with it. My issue is this: if I buy spring perches w/camber plates for my 1999 E36 M3 and it turns out that I don't need spring perches, then I will end up going through a major hassle with sending them back to Steve, going through shipping charges, getting back credit on my credit card, etc. etc. etc. - hassles I'm trying to avoid.

I did receive an e-mail from Brian (thanks!) today apologizing for the delay (vacations, etc.), but my questions were still not answered.

As soon as I get confirmation for my questions, I'll be calling Steve ASAP for payment. Sorry for delay... But Steve's got the minimum 5 people so I assume there shouldn't be a delay...

John at MF had e-mailed me on Sunday and answered my questions regarding the camber plates and spring perches. I do need the spring perches for the stock springs. But good thing I waited since there's apparently a difference between 1995 M3 springs vs. 1999 M3 springs. This information is also available in their website but it's not easily seen and not as "direct" as to what you are buying. I.e. - I wish it was clearer that you HAD TO buy a spring perch of some sort irregardless of the spring setup that you have. Therefore, the retail $299 is really misleading since it's really $299 + $ of the spring perch you need. Irregardless, I've paid and can't wait to get them installed!

What's pretty neat was that I was actually at the track at Watkins Glen doing the transaction....

Any update on when these will ship? Or have they shipped already . . .
Thanks . . .

Is it still possible to jump in on this GB? Right when I saw this thread, I started reading up on every past post on suspension I could find trying to help me decide what setup to go with. I finally have it picked out :evil2.

Just about a week they will ship out.
steve

Are we still on track for a ship date around now? I'd really like to have these by my next autocross on the 25th.

So far so good

If I decided to get in on this for my '95 M, intended to be used with Koni SA's and RD springs, would I just get the plates or do I require these perches I've read of in prior posts? I may have missed the explanation during my rush scanning of posts to see if this GB is still alive. TIA

Steve-
Just hoping for an update, have they shipped yet?
Thanks . . .

This is from motorsport today.
Looks like the Machine Shop messed up the perches. so next monday

We were unable to ship the camber plates this week. The spring 2.5” perches, as delivered, were unacceptable. The manufacturer has been notified and has promised a replacement shipment by next Monday (19th).



While I know this is unacceptable, we will not sell a single unit that does not meet our specifications.



I apologize for the delay and hope that you and your customers understand our commitment to quality components.

oh well, no huge rush. I was planning on installing these over the winter anyway . . .

This is from motorsport today.
Looks like the Machine Shop messed up the perches. so next monday

We were unable to ship the camber plates this week. The spring 2.5” perches, as delivered, were unacceptable. The manufacturer has been notified and has promised a replacement shipment by next Monday (19th).

While I know this is unacceptable, we will not sell a single unit that does not meet our specifications.

I apologize for the delay and hope that you and your customers understand our commitment to quality components.

Does this mean it will ship out (and on the way to us) on the 19th? Or does it mean it will ship out TO MOTORFORCE and THEN MotorForce will ship it out to us afterwards after they do something else to it?

Kindly let us know when it will arrive on our doorstep.

Thanks.

if you would like to sell another one of these camberplate/perch packages for the gp price id be in on it. :dunno

actually, what would be more of a chance is if anyone of you ppl who purchesed these camber plates needs to sell them for anyreason.. money can get tight for anyone =\, ill be the guy who will take them off your hands.

Does this mean it will ship out (and on the way to us) on the 19th? Or does it mean it will ship out TO MOTORFORCE and THEN MotorForce will ship it out to us afterwards after they do something else to it?

Kindly let us know when it will arrive on our doorstep.

Thanks.

Yes, please let us know. I know you guys have been busy kickin ass at the Solo Nats, but, I want my camber plates ;) !

Yes, please let us know. I know you guys have been busy kickin ass at the Solo Nats, but, I want my camber plates ;) !

Today's my birthday! I want my camber plates! :)

Today's my birthday! I want my camber plates! :)
I'm gettin a little impatient, myself.

Can I get in on this?

Any news?


Allen

Soooooo, about those camber plates???

GB Members,

As you may be aware, Houston was under hurricane evacuation last week. Most businesses were shut down begining Wednesday night and are just now reopening.

Motor-Force was directly effected by this shut down and as such was unable to ship the goods last week.

Shipments should start going out tonight (Monday, Sept 26th). As soon as the shipments are gone we will provide Steve with tracking numbers so you can monitor the delivery via UPS (www.ups.com).

Sorry for the additional delay.

John.

John,

Hope you and the guys down there are all okay!

Tommy

John,
Best of luck on getting your operation back to normal down there and thank you for the update on the GB.

Rob

Shipments should start going out tonight (Monday, Sept 26th). As soon as the shipments are gone we will provide Steve with tracking numbers so you can monitor the delivery via UPS (www.ups.com).

Sorry for the additional delay.

John.

Did we ship?

All outstanding shipments were handed off to UPS. Steve should have a listing of each of your tracking numbers if you were in the GB.

Thank you very much for participating in this GB.

John.

That's great to hear. Thanks!

Tu

Please email me for shipping tracking numbers

344 total shipped From post #64


Steve,

I Emailed you to verify an exact amount for the parts in this GB. I don't think it's fair to have different prices for people who joined later and I tried to avoid this through the Email:


E. Allen Reyes to Stephen
More options Aug 18

I have a few Q's, though. Will the parts be shipped to me directly
from MF? How long after I send payment should I expect to receive
them? From the thread, it looks like the total for e36 plates and
perches comes out to $354 shipped. Will the price be adjusted if more
people jump on later?


Allen

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On 8/18/05, E. Allen Reyes <mveed3@gmail.com> wrote:



Stephen Fazekas to me
More options Aug 19

Hi Allen,
I dont know what Ill Do yet for shipping if its will be direct or to me
fist.
I want to take payment once i close the Group Buy this monday.

Once everyone pays Thats when they go out.
The price cant be adjusted because people have untill monday to get the
price. If they Miss it they miss it.


steve



Allen

From post #64


Steve,

I Emailed you to verify an exact amount for the parts in this GB. I don't think it's fair to have different prices for people who joined later and I tried to avoid this through the Email:




Allen

It's called economies of scale. This is the entire reason why we do group buys, the larger the group the more the discount. Being one person means you don't have the same economy of scale as a group of 8. If I were you, I'd be happy they were letting you in on the GB at all.

Steve-
M3Armand says that his tracking # shows the item hasn't shipped. I didn't email for a tracking #, so I can't speak for mine, but this does seem a bit suspect. Can you confirm that they did indeed ship?

Got my plates yesterday, just opened the box to make sure everything is there but didn't have time to really look them over yet. They do look good so far though.

Tu

It's called economies of scale. This is the entire reason why we do group buys, the larger the group the more the discount. Being one person means you don't have the same economy of scale as a group of 8. If I were you, I'd be happy they were letting you in on the GB at all.

Why should I be thrilled to be "let" into the GB when I processed payment before it was closed? I didn't need you to exercise what you picked up watching the Apprentice. I've done more than enough GBs to understand the simple process behind them.

Let me break it down for you. I bought plates under the GB. I Emailed Steve before I paypal'd him to make sure we were locked in at that rate. Steve acknowledged. Then he offered someone who jumped in the GB later a better rate. Now, do you have a business term for that?


Allen

I give GB priceing when people order in quanity. I take a Hit in profit to make up for it in volume thats the whole concept behind a GB. Please also Note some Camberplates are More exspencive then others due to the complex nature of some of the spring perches.

Some Camber kits where 354 Shipped others Werer $344 Shipped i play favorates with no one

I gave everyone shipping at a 20% loss on my behalf because i was off on the actual Shipping Price.
I stuck to my promise. One customers was not shipped for some reason and i hope its been resolved. I even offered to pay the extra money for faster shipping to Motorforce where i would actually loose money on his sale just to keep him happy. I am keeping my fingers crossed that he will see them by the end of the week.

While i know i cant keep every customer happy because some are idiots to be frank. But Everyone here told me exactly what parts the wanted and was very clear. While i never made these parts i made the sale and accept 100% of any errors going on

Got my plates yesterday, just opened the box to make sure everything is there but didn't have time to really look them over yet. They do look good so far though.

Tu

Looks like only you and Ralliart got the camber plates - no one else got them...

Now I fall under the "idiot" category for being an unhappy customer. This GB gets better by the moment.

Let me restate that I DON'T need an explanation for the workings of a GB. My issue is that I was involved in this purchase, yet I didn't get the same discount. Steve's only viable response is that some perches are more expensive than others. This just doesn't explain my case since the perches I ordered were the least expensive.

Another issue as posted is shipping. I'm one of the lucky last shipments. According to UPS tracking, my package finally went out late last night.

Looks like you have two unhappy customers Steve. Maybe we're just idiots for joining your GB.


Allen

One customers was not shipped for some reason and i hope its been resolved. I even offered to pay the extra money for faster shipping to Motorforce where i would actually loose money on his sale just to keep him happy. I am keeping my fingers crossed that he will see them by the end of the week.

Assuming this was me, it looks like the shipment went out yesterday UPS GROUND and not faster shipping. No worries since my track days are over anyway. I just wanted to make sure that I was getting them or that they were "in process" - the lack of communication from MotorForce makes us consumers "nervous". I am truly glad that they have shipped. Thanks Steve for what I assume you've been making tons of calls to MotorForce on this! I understand that you were caught in the middle and that things weren't necessarily within your control.

Now having said that, I do hope that what they shipped is of the quality that we are expecting (since the first batch did not pass MF's quality inspection) and that they are the correct parts for my car...

I received mine yesterday, and they appear to be in advertised shape. Now to go install these things . . .

I received mine yesterday, and they appear to be in advertised shape. Now to go install these things . . .


Now I need to order the GC track kit, gotta spend even more money just to get these things installed. lol

Tu

Now I fall under the "idiot" category for being an unhappy customer. This GB gets better by the moment.

Let me restate that I DON'T need an explanation for the workings of a GB. My issue is that I was involved in this purchase, yet I didn't get the same discount. Steve's only viable response is that some perches are more expensive than others. This just doesn't explain my case since the perches I ordered were the least expensive.

Another issue as posted is shipping. I'm one of the lucky last shipments. According to UPS tracking, my package finally went out late last night.

Looks like you have two unhappy customers Steve. Maybe we're just idiots for joining your GB.


Allen


No one here is one. I never said that. about anyone in here and i made it as clear as possible so stop trying to twist my words.
I told Motorforce to upgrade the shipping. They told me UPS Picked up the items last week and ups lost them.
As for what went on there i am as in the dark as you thats exactly what i was told.

You never Emailed me Regarding this situation not even a PM. After Digging through the records you did over pay by $10 and a refund has been issued of $10.

Your Pricing was mixed up with some one elses.

I was never trying to twist your words. Your post in this thread was pretty clear, I agree. I received the overpayment so that end is cleared.

My Email went out to you and I even attached it in this thread. Regardless, you settled it.


Allen

I'm always too late :P