BBS? any ideas?

I have a guy down here telling me he can import BBS "CSL" wheels, never heard of them or seen them on the BBS website :rolleyes

I am pretty sure that BBS does make the CSL and the ZCP wheel.

I am pretty sure that BBS does make the CSL and the ZCP wheel.Whats a ZCP wheel?

The wheel that comes standard with the ZCP package, which looks the same as the CSL wheels, but are a different size 19X8 fronts (ZCP) vs. 19X8.5 fronts (CSL) and a different manufacuring proccess spun cast (ZCP) vs. forged (CSL).

You are referring to the Competition Pack wheels (also known as the CS)??

If thats the case, you got it the wrong way round :) The Competition pack wheel set is
Front: 8.0J x 19
Rear: 9.5J x 19

The CSL wheels are
Front: 8.5J x 19
Rear: 9.5J x 19

Hence the CSL wheels sometimes cause problems when fitted to standard E46 M3

You are right...I had the sizes incorrect, but they are made via different processes. Here in the states the dealer code for the Competition Package is ZCP.

Thanks, I actually wasnt aware that they were made differently! they look pretty much the same though

You are right...I had the sizes incorrect, but they are made via different processes. Here in the states the dealer code for the Competition Package is ZCP.

They are actually constructed differently? The rears between the 2 have the same part numbers, so I doubt anything is different except for the extra 1/2 inch up front.

They are actually constructed differently? The rears between the 2 have the same part numbers, so I doubt anything is different except for the extra 1/2 inch up front.

they are in fact constructed differently...

hold while I find the link....

they are in fact constructed differently...

hold while I find the link....
Well, Ben . . . this hold music sucks by the way. Please change the station. :stickoutt

they are in fact constructed differently...

hold while I find the link....

Both are forged I believe. Why would BBS bother using 2 different processes on front wheels that are otherwise very very similar?

Both are forged I believe. Why would BBS bother using 2 different processes on front wheels that are otherwise very very similar?


Forged? I've always heard they (CSL and ZCP) were spin-cast.

jjr

Forged? I've always heard they (CSL and ZCP) were spin-cast.

jjr

Maybe not. Someone who knows their $hit is due to chime in right about now :D

The only difference that I'm aware of is the OEM CSL's are .5 wider in the front. Neither the CSL's nor the ZCP's are forged they are both Spun-Cast. BMW NA can be thanked for spewing and printing bad info in reference to the ZCP wheels being forged when they are actually Spun cast. Go figure... clowns

They both are forged and were constructed the same way by BBS.
Don't be a hater because your M3 don't have ZCP. j/k

CheeRs

They both are forged and were constructed the same way by BBS.
Don't be a hater because your M3 don't have ZCP. j/k

CheeRs


Not true. Look at my post above!

We went through this on the M3 forum with BMW NA. I have the OEM CSL's by the way.

i'll echo my bro on this one... spun-cast is they way they're made...

and IIRC, there were no fitment issues between the CSL and ZCP wheels as far as putting them on an M3...

what are the pros and cons to spun cast and forged?

what are the pros and cons to spun cast and forged?

Forged wheels are typically stronger, and thus can be constructed to be lighter. Cast wheels are heavier, but are cheaper to produce.

Gotcha, Never too late to learn something new abt ur car..thanks for clearing this up !

i'll echo my bro on this one... spun-cast is they way they're made...

and IIRC, there were no fitment issues between the CSL and ZCP wheels as far as putting them on an M3...


Whats up Doug!?

So it's confirmed they're made by BBS?

So it's confirmed they're made by BBS?

Yes, they are all stamped by BBS.

Cool, thanks :) From the first time I saw them, I knew they looked like BBS'

Whats up Doug!?

Hey Naseem...hows it going?!

So whats up with going a different direction with your car? BTW, those CSL wheels look HOTT!!!!!!!



...sorry for the thread-jack!....

So are the regular OEM 19's (polished ones), stronger and lighter then the ZCP 19's?

So are the regular OEM 19's (polished ones), stronger and lighter then the ZCP 19's?

I don't know about stronger.... They are Forged. The OEM CSL's/ ZCP's are Spuncast. In this case the CSL/ZCP wheels are quite a bit lighter than the Forged style 67M wheels. Hope this helps.

Hey Naseem...hows it going?!

So whats up with going a different direction with your car? BTW, those CSL wheels look HOTT!!!!!!!



...sorry for the thread-jack!....

I decided I'm still going to the extreme...... That's all I can say for now. You won't be disappointed! :buttrock

Thanks! The wheels look pretty good on the car to me as well. :alright

same as cast BBS RC

Forged wheels are typically stronger, and thus can be constructed to be lighter. Cast wheels are heavier, but are cheaper to produce.

Ah, bummer :( .
At least the CSL/ZCP wheels are lighter than the regular 19" wheels. I guess there is absolutely no advantage to spuncast? or is there...

Ah, bummer :( .
At least the CSL/ZCP wheels are lighter than the regular 19" wheels. I guess there is absolutely no advantage to spuncast? or is there...

Cheaper to replace when you bend 'em! ;)

Thanks people.
Well I ended up getting a set of OEM ZCP wheels from the States, which cost me a load of $$$, but hell you onl6y live once ;)

Thing is, the person who told me about the BBS wheels that were presumably available locally never came back to me, and I suspect that they were in fact cheapo Taiwanese replica's, that shit doesn't come near my car!

The OEM 19" polished wheels are lighter than ZCP wheels and are forged while the ZCP's and the CSL's are spun cast. CSL's are 8.5 up front while ZCP's are 8. They have the same part numbers for the rear and practically look identical except for the location of the part numbers. Turnermotorsport sells OEM Brand new ZCP wheels for $1800. G'luck

Oh my word, I paid US$2450 for the set from a guy that sells them on e-bay
:(

You can even get them from the $tealers for $1900. Turner's are backordered, and I suspect they just get the dealer wholesale price, which is the $1900.

You can even get them from the $tealers for $1900. Turner's are backordered, and I suspect they just get the dealer wholesale price, which is the $1900.Ouch :(

The OEM 19" polished wheels are lighter than ZCP wheels and are forged while the ZCP's and the CSL's are spun cast. CSL's are 8.5 up front while ZCP's are 8. They have the same part numbers for the rear and practically look identical except for the location of the part numbers. Turnermotorsport sells OEM Brand new ZCP wheels for $1800. G'luck

Some say the ZCP's are lighter, some say the polished 19's are lighter. :eyecrazy

Thanks people.
Well I ended up getting a set of OEM ZCP wheels from the States, which cost me a load of $$$, but hell you onl6y live once ;)

Thing is, the person who told me about the BBS wheels that were presumably available locally never came back to me, and I suspect that they were in fact cheapo Taiwanese replica's, that shit doesn't come near my car!

I guess you had the stock 18's before? Did you weight the wheels, compare the weights with tires at all? How did the 19's effect the performance compared to the 18's? Thanks.

Nope, still awaiting for them

Has anyone got Turnermotorsport's or anyone that sells the ZCP OEM wheels contact details??

Thanks :)

My buddy at my dealership can get them for a little cheaper than Turner. You definitly paid too much if you paid more then $1800 for em (without tires)

My buddy at my dealership can get them for a little cheaper than Turner. You definitly paid too much if you paid more then $1800 for em (without tires)

Hey mate, I am interested, I just cancelled that order I had and am awaiting for a refund. i dont like to be made a fool of and the person in question was constantly changing and chopping the deal, regarding shipping, price etc.

I have managed to find a local shipping company that can pick them up wherever in the US.

You can mail me directly on gerardo@thwane.co.za

thanks man :)

So can anyone help???

;)

The OEM 19" polished wheels are lighter than ZCP wheels and are forged while the ZCP's and the CSL's are spun cast. G'luck

You are absolutely wrong! The CSL's/ ZCP's are much lighter than the forged 67 M's (OEM 19's). To the tune of a few pounds per wheel. Hence the reason they were used on the CSL and the ZCP..... Saving weight. I've had both.... sold the OEM 19's and swapped to the OEM CSL's with Michelin Pilot Sport Cups.

You are absolutely wrong! The CSL's/ ZCP's are much lighter than the forged 67 M's (OEM 19's). To the tune of a few pounds per wheel. Hence the reason they were used on the CSL and the ZCP..... Saving weight. I've had both.... sold the OEM 19's and swapped to the OEM CSL's with Michelin Pilot Sport Cups.

I don't think so. Maybe cause you had lighter tires, but the OEM 19's are lighter.

Some say the ZCP's are lighter, some say the polished 19's are lighter. :eyecrazy

Some are talking out of their rears to be exact....... That being said the CSL's and ZCP's are lighter in weight than the OEM style 67 M wheels (19's) definitely. Matter of fact the CSL's and ZCP's are actually as light or lighter than the Champion RG4's.

I don't think so. Maybe cause you had lighter tires, but the OEM 19's are lighter.

lol, if the wheels used on the M3 CSL, that is specifically aimed at reducing weight where every pound counts, are actually heavier than the 19" bling option wheels from factory..

then its time to start looking into the Cayman or new Boxster S :stickoutt

I seriously hope you are mistaken Ali, as if hearing that CSL wheels are spuncast instead of forged isn't already a heartbreaker. :(

I don't think so. Maybe cause you had lighter tires, but the OEM 19's are lighter.

OEM ZCP 23.0 Front and OEM ZCP 24.2 Rear

OEM 19 27 Front and OEM 19 28 Rear

OEM ZCP 23.0 Front and OEM ZCP 24.2 Rear

OEM 19 27 Front and OEM 19 28 Rear

I think I'm going to get ZCP wheels. :)

OEM ZCP 23.0 Front and OEM ZCP 24.2 Rear

OEM 19 27 Front and OEM 19 28 Rear

LOL, where did you get those figures? I weighed my OEM 19" front wheel and it was 22 lbs. The "bling" wheels are polished which adds no weight. They were originally on the csl concepts and only at late stages in the production were the afterthought csl wheels put on. If I still had my OEM 19's I'd go and put it on a scale for ya indicating the weight.

http://www.autodoplnky.cz/picture/wallpapers/m3_csl_01_1024.jpg

If I still had my OEM 19's I'd go and put it on a scale for ya indicating the weight.
I think that's what we're looking for here. We had the ZCP wheels up on a weight which produced 23 and 24.2. The only way to truely know what the stock wheels weigh, is to throw them up on a scale.

LOL, where did you get those figures? I weighed my OEM 19" front wheel and it was 22 lbs. The "bling" wheels are polished which adds no weight. They were originally on the csl concepts and only at late stages in the production were the afterthought csl wheels put on. If I still had my OEM 19's I'd go and put it on a scale for ya indicating the weight.


I dont know... The rear ZCP/CSL wheels are 24lbs. By hand, (which I know is a stupid way to quantify this), my rear ZCP/CSL wheel felt considerably lighter than the OEM 19 rear. Not sure how much of a difference the tires make, the stock Continental vs. a 265/30/19 KDW2.

None of this really matters tho, if you want light wheels get some sub 18lb SSR comps.

yea my 19" MVR's weigh 24 pounds each so it doesn't seem all that lightweight for the CSL wheels.

yea my 19" MVR's weigh 24 pounds each so it doesn't seem all that lightweight for the CSL wheels.

I think anyone who wants lightweight wheels and gets 19's is sorta contradicting themselves anyways. 19's look good, but thats really all they are good for on this car.

I think anyone who wants lightweight wheels and gets 19's is sorta contradicting themselves anyways. 19's look good, but thats really all they are good for on this car.

wha? Man you crazy!

I think anyone who wants lightweight wheels and gets 19's is sorta contradicting themselves anyways. 19's look good, but thats really all they are good for on this car.


Wasn't the 05+ M3 suspension designed for the ZCP wheels though?

Wasn't the 05+ M3 suspension designed for the ZCP wheels though?
Nope. The new suspension comes on all '05 M3s, build date 12/04 and on. It has nothing to do with wheels.

wha? Man you crazy!

:stickoutt

As I've said before alot of bad info gets spread around here.....

The OEM 19's w/ Contis weigh 53.5 rear

and

The OEM 19's w/ Contis weigh 49.8 front

The ZCP wheel weights came from a forum member that took the time on the M3 forum and weighed the wheels *without tires* on a calibrated scale and snapped pictures for proof.

Dan Law owner of DER Motorsports provided the weights for the OEM 19's w/ Contis.

Admit it you used uncalibrated bathroom scales to weigh the wheels didn't you!? :buttrock

how are you comparing the wheels with tires to wheels without tires? I'm pretty sure the weight difference is unsubstantial and the OEM 19's are stronger because of their forge process. They are actually more expensive than the CSL's also.

how are you comparing the wheels with tires to wheels without tires? I'm pretty sure the weight difference is unsubstantial and the OEM 19's are stronger because of their forge process. They are actually more expensive than the CSL's also.


I have posted all of the wheel weights here in this thread for you. *With the exception of the ZCP/ CSL's with tires*. Just admit that you are wrong and it'll be all over. How the Hell do we go from the weight of the wheels to why there is a cost difference and the OEM 19's are stronger because of the flippin forged process crap. Save it bro. Also the MVR front wheel weighs 24 pounds.... Want to guess what the rear one weighs in the M3 application.... Your point is absolutely moot. The OEM CSL's and ZCP's are still lighter than those as well.

You are spewing bad info. :nono

PLAIN AND SIMPLE THE ZCP'S AND THE CSL'S ARE LIGHTER THAN THE OEM 19'S PERIOD POINT BLANK. I want you to get that into your head. You have well over Eight thousand posts and quote bad info!? What in the world are the forums coming to?

And before you misunderstand me I do believe that the OEM 19's are a stronger wheel. However they are NOT lighter.... Not even close. Now let it go you are wrong.

I have posted all of the wheel weights here in this thread for you. *With the exception of the ZCP/ CSL's with tires*. Just admit that you are wrong and it'll be all over. How the Hell do we go from the weight of the wheels to why there is a cost difference and the OEM 19's are stronger because of the flippin forged process crap. Save it bro. Also the MVR front wheel weighs 24 pounds.... Want to guess what the rear one weighs in the M3 application.... Your point is absolutely moot. The OEM CSL's and ZCP's are still lighter than those as well.

You are spewing bad info. :nono

PLAIN AND SIMPLE THE ZCP'S AND THE CSL'S ARE LIGHTER THAN THE OEM 19'S PERIOD POINT BLANK. I want you to get that into your head. You have well over Eight thousand posts and quote bad info!? What in the world are the forums coming to?

And before you misunderstand me I do believe that the OEM 19's are a stronger wheel. However they are NOT lighter.... Not even close. Now let it go you are wrong.


They are lighter :) My rear MVR's are 25 pounds each :D Yes you have like 10 posts while I have 8000 (which has no weight on anything but hey u mentioned it) You can capitalize all you want, you're quoting wheel with tire wieghts then saying you know the wheel weights, which one is it? You can't guess from that buddy. The weight difference is neglible

They are lighter :) My rear MVR's are 25 pounds each :D Yes you have like 10 posts while I have 8000 (which has no weight on anything but hey u mentioned it) You can capitalize all you want, you're quoting wheel with tire wieghts then saying you know the wheel weights, which one is it? You can't guess from that buddy. The weight difference is neglible

Bingo. I have like ten posts here but apparently a hell of alot more knowledge in the weight of the wheels than you do. I'd venture off a bit and say that I'm flat out more knowledgeable on the E46 M3 than you based on this discussion but hey..... we don't have to go there.

Obviously you missed the post a few pages back where I listed the weights of the OEM 19's as well as the ZCP/CSL wheels. Cool....go back and read them.... It's beneficial to you! I'm here to help and stop the spread of bad info... which runs rampant here. I quoted wheel with tire weights *once* and they were from Dan Law....owner of DER Motorsports..... the person that actually created the spread sheet of the E46 parts and weights piece by piece. You catch my hint right....

Although the weight difference to you may be negligible remember bud.....THERE IS A WEIGHT DIFFERENCE. If a 22/ 23 combo compared to a 27/28 combo without Tires is negligible I'd love to hear your logic behind this sort of thinking...... UHHHH wait scratch that.... No I would'nt. You can't actually be serious. Talking to some people is like trying to explain Astro Physics to a Wine-o it just isn't worth it.

Bingo. I have like ten posts here but apparently a hell of alot more knowledge in the weight of the wheels than you do. I'd venture off a bit and say that I'm flat out more knowledgeable on the E46 M3 than you based on this discussion but hey..... we don't have to go there.

blah blah blah

Well you've shown your maturity already, and it only took 13 posts to do it! I'd venture to say my knowledge of the E46 M3 and the E36 M3 is more than yours (this is in fact my 4th m3 now) but I don't need to prove it to some e-thug. Your weights are wrong, face it. No you don't know more about weight of wheels then I do, I've owned over 25 sets of different wheels on my M3's and I'm quite knowledgeable on wheels, wheelweights, etc. Look here: http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/search.php?searchid=1956269 I actually contribute to this board. Remember 3 periods constitute an ellipses, four don't. Also, repeated ellipses in a paragraph don't do much to strengthen your foundation of having more "knowledge". Have fun on the internet!

*edit* according to some research I did (http://www.turnermotorsport.com/html/detail.asp?PRODUCT_ID=M3COMPWHEELS) and some searching on M3forums, the CSL wheels are 24 pounds each while the OEM 19's are 23 in the front and about 26 in the back. This would be a neglible difference in weight as tire brands, sizes, etc will negate that weight. Plus the OEM 19's are forged and polished, and because of their manufacturing process more expensive. http://www.turnermotorsport.com/html/detail.asp?PRODUCT_ID=36112229650

Ali, you got mail mate.

Although the weight difference to you may be negligible remember bud.....THERE IS A WEIGHT DIFFERENCE. If a 22/ 23 combo compared to a 27/28 combo without Tires is negligible I'd love to hear your logic behind this sort of thinking...... UHHHH wait scratch that.... No I would'nt. You can't actually be serious. Talking to some people is like trying to explain Astro Physics to a Wine-o it just isn't worth it.
Rotational weight sir :boink

Well you've shown your maturity already, and it only took 13 posts to do it! I'd venture to say my knowledge of the E46 M3 and the E36 M3 is more than yours (this is in fact my 4th m3 now) but I don't need to prove it to some e-thug. Your weights are wrong, face it. No you don't know more about weight of wheels then I do, I've owned over 25 sets of different wheels on my M3's and I'm quite knowledgeable on wheels, wheelweights, etc. Look here: http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/search.php?searchid=1956269 I actually contribute to this board. Remember 3 periods constitute an ellipses, four don't. Also, repeated ellipses in a paragraph don't do much to strengthen your foundation of having more "knowledge". Have fun on the internet!

It doesn't even matter how many M3's you've had not even remotely. A fool and his money will soon part ways. I'm no e-thug. Why do you have to make me one? Whats the purpose of that slanderous comment. Perhaps you'd like to try and discredit me...... hoping to gain some points back with yur buds? Never once did I offer you an ass whooping because you were wrong. I did however; offer knowledge to help you and the rest of the thread viewers. You don't watch a person make a fool out of themselves and not attempt to help. Please leave the grammar crap to the side and stay on topic here. The topic is wheel weights. Everytime you get in a bind here you attempt to switch the topic. Stay on course. The weights have been posted by me with the help of others in the BMW community that felt compelled to extend knowledge. What the Hell am I looking at in that link you attached by the way? Post your knowledge here bro. Right here is where we need to see it.

*edit* according to some research I did (http://www.turnermotorsport.com/html/detail.asp?PRODUCT_ID=M3COMPWHEELS) and some searching on M3forums, the CSL wheels are 24 pounds each while the OEM 19's are 23 in the front and about 26 in the back. This would be a neglible difference in weight as tire brands, sizes, etc will negate that weight. Plus the OEM 19's are forged and polished, and because of their manufacturing process more expensive. http://www.turnermotorsport.com/html/detail.asp?PRODUCT_ID=36112229650
Well we know for a fact that:

ZCP fronts (8.0 width) = 23.0 lbs
ZCP rears (same wheel as CSL) = 24.2 lbs

CSL fronts (8.5 width) = Probably slightly more than 23.0 lbs because of width difference
CSL rears (same wheel as ZCP) = 24.2 lbs

So this throws out the comment on Turnermotorsports which says they weigh at 24 lbs each. It wouldn't really be possible for all 4 wheels to weigh the same amount because of the fact that the rears are wider than the fronts.

Someone needs to throw their stock 19s on a scale and take some pictures so we can end this debate.

Guys, guys, guys! lets not turn this into a fight please! :)

I dont really care if the 19" ZCP/CSL wheels are 1lb heavier than the OEM's, they look good thats whats important ;)

It doesn't even matter how many M3's you've had not even remotely. My head hurts, I dunno what you're trying to say here. A fool and his money will soon part ways. Thats true, i'm glad at the age of 20 i'm able to afford my car. I'm no e-thug. Why do you have to make me one? Whats the purpose of that slanderous comment. Perhaps you'd like to try and discredit me...... hoping to gain some points back with yur buds? Never once did I offer you an ass whooping because you were wrong. Nope, but you did say I was unintelligent and that you were the oracle of wheel weights and no one shall dare defy you. I did however; offer knowledge to help you and the rest of the thread viewers. You don't watch a person make a fool out of themselves and not attempt to help. You're right, I saw no one making themselves look like fools and only people trying to share knowledge and help each other. Yet you come on here trying to stand on your pedestal while saying others are "pulling information out of their rear" and that your word is the end all of everything. Thats not gonna fly around here, no one had a rude or condescending tone until you popped up. Please leave the grammar crap to the side and stay on topic here. The topic is wheel weights. Everytime you get in a bind here you attempt to switch the topic. Stay on course. Grammar and writing style do have alot to do with your intelligence and ability to hold a conversation. Not only is correct and proper use of grammar easy on the eyes but it also helps your validity in an argument. I'm not changing subjects, its right at where its been since the beginning of this thread. The weights have been posted by me with the help of others in the BMW community that felt compelled to extend knowledge. What the Hell am I looking at in that link you attached by the way? Post your knowledge here bro. Right here is where we need to see it.

You are correct and I have. You're looking at threads on this forum in the wheel and tire section where I have helped out with my extension of knowledge to fellow members. My knowledge of wheels and cars is sufficient for me but i'm not going to go and boast about them on a forum and put others down; an e-thug would go do that. Thanks for reading Naseem.

And with that i'm done with this thread!

My head hurts, I dunno what you're trying to say here. Thats true, i'm glad at the age of 20 i'm able to afford my car. Nope, but you did say I was unintelligent and that you were the oracle of wheel weights and no one shall dare defy you. You're right, I saw no one making themselves look like fools and only people trying to share knowledge and help each other. Yet you come on here trying to stand on your pedestal while saying others are "pulling information out of their rear" and that your word is the end all of everything. Thats not gonna fly around here, no one had a rude or condescending tone until you popped up. Grammar and writing style do have alot to do with your intelligence and ability to hold a conversation. Not only is correct and proper use of grammar easy on the eyes but it also helps your validity in an argument. I'm not changing subjects, its right at where its been since the beginning of this thread.

You are correct and I have. You're looking at threads on this forum in the wheel and tire section where I have helped out with my extension of knowledge to fellow members. My knowledge of wheels and cars is sufficient for me but i'm not going to go and boast about them on a forum and put others down; an e-thug would go do that. Thanks for reading Naseem.

And with that i'm done with this thread!

It's good that you're done because all you have done is provide bad info here period. You are correct that there is no need to continue debating it. And it's funny how people continue to actually be confused here because of the info you put out.

Guys can we stop this fighting please? I hate to be the cause of this :(

I don't think so. Maybe cause you had lighter tires, but the OEM 19's are lighter.

It amazes me how many clueless people there are on the internet.

The standard OEM 19's weigh around 5 lbs more per wheel thanthe CSL's/ZCP's. They are 27.78 lbs front and 29.19 lbs rear.

FYI...I have 4 ZCP wheels on my ZCP car, and 4 CSL wheels on my 2003...and used to have 6 standard OEM 19's (one extra front and one extra rear....both curbed...now since sold) for my 2003.

I weighed both the CSL's and the standard 19's on the same scale, side-by-side...without tires....when the CSL's arrived via UPS. The standard OEM forged 19's were 5 lbs heavier per wheel than the CSL wheels are.

Ali, you are absolutely, unequivically WRONG about this and you need to stop putting out BAD information when you obviously have no clue what you're talking about.

Oh...and before anyone asks..the exact weight of the OEM 18's (cast) are 24.70 lbs front and 26.90 lbs rear.

P.S. - Both the CSL and ZCP wheels are NOT forged. They are spun-cast...just like many other BBS wheels.

And there you have it folks. Direct and straight to the point...^^^

It amazes me how many clueless people there are on the internet.

The standard OEM 19's weigh around 5 lbs more per wheel thanthe CSL's/ZCP's. They are 27.78 lbs front and 29.19 lbs rear.

FYI...I have 4 ZCP wheels on my ZCP car, and 4 CSL wheels on my 2003...and used to have 6 standard OEM 19's (one extra front and one extra rear....both curbed...now since sold) for my 2003.

I weighed both the CSL's and the standard 19's on the same scale, side-by-side...without tires....when the CSL's arrived via UPS. The standard OEM forged 19's were 5 lbs heavier per wheel than the CSL wheels are.

Ali, you are absolutely, unequivically WRONG about this and you need to stop putting out BAD information when you obviously have no clue what you're talking about.

Oh...and before anyone asks..the exact weight of the OEM 18's (cast) are 24.70 lbs front and 26.90 lbs rear.

P.S. - Both the CSL and ZCP wheels are NOT forged. They are spun-cast...just like many other BBS wheels.

Thanks for the infor. One question though, you provided the weight of the OEM polished 19's, stock 18's, and OEM CSL's but you didn't mention if you weighed the ZCP wheels?

Thanks for the infor. One question though, you provided the weight of the OEM polished 19's, stock 18's, and OEM CSL's but you didn't mention if you weighed the ZCP wheels?

The CSL/ ZCP wheels are the same with the exception of the CSL wheels being .5 wider in the front and a fraction heavier due to the added width. The CSL's and ZCP's are both Spun-Cast wheels built by BBS. We have the exact ZCP wheel weights quoted here from a calibrated scale. I can link you to the M3 forum thread if need be with photos. :buttrock

The CSL/ ZCP wheels are the same with the exception of the CSL wheels being .5 wider in the front and a fraction heavier due to the added width. The CSL's and ZCP's are both Spun-Cast wheels built by BBS. We have the exact ZCP wheel weights quoted here from a calibrated scale. I can link you to the M3 forum thread if need be with photos. :buttrock

Yeah that would be great if you could provide a link to that, I did a search and didn't find it yet. I can't decide if I want to get the regular OEM 19's or the ZCP 19's, because they both look so good but if the ZCP's are really that much lighter and perform better, then it would be an easy decision and I would definitely get those.

Yeah that would be great if you could provide a link to that, I did a search and didn't find it yet. I can't decide if I want to get the regular OEM 19's or the ZCP 19's, because they both look so good but if the ZCP's are really that much lighter and perform better, then it would be an easy decision and I would definitely get those.


The thread is called: ZCP Wheels, Forged or Spun Cast?

http://www.m3forum.net/m3forum/showpost.php?p=653361&postcount=117

http://www.m3forum.net/m3forum/showpost.php?p=653364&postcount=118

Yeah that would be great if you could provide a link to that, I did a search and didn't find it yet. I can't decide if I want to get the regular OEM 19's or the ZCP 19's, because they both look so good but if the ZCP's are really that much lighter and perform better, then it would be an easy decision and I would definitely get those.

Bro we wouldn't B.S. you for nothing in the world. The ZCP's are definitely much lighter wheels than the OEM 19's. It's proven. Less Rotational Mass as IDZ21 put it. We are only here to help.

I'll buy the ZCP's, on looks alone! ;)

You can even get them from the $tealers for $1900. Turner's are backordered, and I suspect they just get the dealer wholesale price, which is the $1900.

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We have 4 sets on the shelf.

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We have 4 sets on the shelf.

My bad I guess. Last time I called you guys up I was told it would have taken 2 months to get a set, so I got them from somewhere else :dunno That was maybe 2 weeks ago.

Make that 3 sets. One just went. More on the way however.

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We have 4 sets on the shelf. Are they genuine OEM??
If yes, please mail me price on gerardo@thwane.co.za I am getting a transfer refund from the other chap tomorrow, and I am seriously interested!

Regards
Gerardo

Make that 3 sets. One just went. More on the way however.
I've sent you a mail through he board :)

Thank you Nachtblau and M-Phibian for clearing things up!

There really is a lot of bad information passed on the internet :mad

I especially hate it when you're talking to someone in person about cars, and
he/she spews something so absurd, but simply backs it up by saying
"I read it on the internet!" :embarrasm

Thank you Nachtblau and M-Phibian for clearing things up!

There really is a lot of bad information passed on the internet :mad

I especially hate it when you're talking to someone in person about cars, and
he/she spews something so absurd, but simply backs it up by saying
"I read it on the internet!" :embarrasm

No problem.

The thread is called: ZCP Wheels, Forged or Spun Cast?

http://www.m3forum.net/m3forum/showpost.php?p=653361&postcount=117

http://www.m3forum.net/m3forum/showpost.php?p=653364&postcount=118

Thanks. :)

wow... this is a long thread. seems like M-Phibian and NACHTBLAU M proved there point that the ZCP/CSL wheels are about 5lbs lighter then oem 19" m3 wheels. i weighed my own CSL wheels when i first got them and they are about 24lbs. my oem 19" were about 29lbs. sorry for re-hashing an ended topic but.. i just got here. :redspot

wow... this is a long thread. seems like M-Phibian and NACHTBLAU M proved there point that the ZCP/CSL wheels are about 5lbs lighter then oem 19" m3 wheels. i weighed my own CSL wheels when i first got them and they are about 24lbs. my oem 19" were about 29lbs. sorry for re-hashing an ended topic but.. i just got here. :redspot

I'm 99% sure I'm going to go for the ZCP wheels. The polished OEM 19's sure look great and for 19's I suppose they aren't that heavy, and are strong. But the ZCP's are lighter, strong enough, and look just as good, but in a different way, I almost wouldn't mind having both.

One thing I know for sure though, is your car looks amazing. I love what you did with it. :clap

well if there is enough interest check this out
http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=398009

I'm 99% sure I'm going to go for the ZCP wheels. The polished OEM 19's sure look great and for 19's I suppose they aren't that heavy, and are strong. But the ZCP's are lighter, strong enough, and look just as good, but in a different way, I almost wouldn't mind having both.

One thing I know for sure though, is your car looks amazing. I love what you did with it. :clap

thanks... :buttrock the CSL mod bug bit me a long time ago.. :eyecrazy

Thank you Nachtblau and M-Phibian for clearing things up!

There really is a lot of bad information passed on the internet :mad

I especially hate it when you're talking to someone in person about cars, and
he/she spews something so absurd, but simply backs it up by saying
"I read it on the internet!" :embarrasm
no problem

I would like to point out to all that in the BMW M3 ZCP brochure, it clearly states that the wheels are FORGED.

I would like to point out to all that in the BMW M3 ZCP brochure, it clearly states that the wheels are FORGED.

Brochure is wrong.

I would like to point out to all that in the BMW M3 ZCP brochure, it clearly states that the wheels are FORGED.
Don't believe everything you read. BMW's own M brand manager doesn't even know what wheels are on the ZCP cars. In fact, he thought forging and spin-casting is the same process.

They are not forged. If you read this whole post and some other forums that have been linked out here you'll see evidence against the "forged" statement by BMW.

Don't believe everything you read. BMW's own M brand manager doesn't even know what wheels are on the ZCP cars. In fact, he thought forging and spin-casting is the same process.

They are not forged. If you read this whole post and some other forums that have been linked out here you'll see evidence against the "forged" statement by BMW.

I sent BBS-AG an email, we'll see what they tell us.

I would like to point out to all that in the BMW M3 ZCP brochure, it clearly states that the wheels are FORGED.

both you and the brochure are wrong. i've contacted BBS myself and the CSL/ZCP wheels are 100% spun cast.. :buttrock