When the heck is he gonna leave mclaren and join ferrari. :mad

I know it's all part of racing, but damn that has got to be so frustrating.

That mclaren is so unreliable it pathetic.

Montoya's Last place - 2'nd, Unreliable, I dont think so, if he could'nt drive it that hard and get podium. Luck just has too much to do with it.

Montoya's run was just incredible, so was the Schumacher-Fisichella battle. Man this season is fun!.

Whoa, how many people here think Kimi would have had the championship if not for all his DNF's, I can count at least 40 points that he would have if the car didnt fail.

Whoa, how many people here think Kimi would have had the championship if not for all his DNF's, I can count at least 40 points that he would have if the car didnt fail.

+1

Hmmm, yeah, guess that would include him stalling in Melbourne and his tire valve (not car) problem at Malaysia to name a few.

It's very easy to term it as just a "car failure" but your driving pattern sometimes just contributes to your failures.

Here's the quote from Ron Dennis at the European Formula 1.

"Perhaps understandably the whole team has a strong sense of disappointment, heightened by the fact that Kimi's retirement took place on the last lap. Kimi flatspotted his right front tyre passing Jacques Villeneuve and from that moment on the front suspension was subject to extremely high levels of vibration. Kimi was able to cope with the inevitable blurred vision for over 15 laps and the team discussed with him his tyre condition. We jointly decided to go for the win and no member of the team including Kimi regrets this decision. The resulting suspension failure was understandable in the circumstances."

Shoulda, woulda, coulda don't count. You can be the best driver in the world and if your car doesn't help you can forget it. See MS seven times champion and his Ferrrari won't go.
Kimi is a great driver, so is JM, they both have excellent cars and when they last they achive good results.
This year the winning combo goes to Fernando/Renault no doubt.
Go Fernando!!
JM excellent job!!

There's no denying that they're great drivers, sometimes you're just s*it out of luck I guess.

JPM is just amazing.

Yea I understand the flat spot was his fault, but that was on the last lap of a race he pretty much dominated, If you look at those races though, kimi would have gotten 10 points and alonso would have gotten 8, instead of alonso 10 and kimi 0, I could only imagine how frustrated Kimi is right now. Hopefully next year ferrari will come back, and Bridgestone will have a good tire that way we can just go back to the way it was, ferrari dominates and everyone else sits in the back..........j/k

I was a Mika fan before Kimi and he was always SOL. It looks like the legacy lives on :(

I get even more pissed with FA and his "#6" celebrations. Yes, we all know you've one six races (thanks to others' misfortune) and we're proud you can show us six fingers--just drop it already. It get's old race after race.

I know I'm probably just a sore loser, but so it goes...

I'll wait for our resident McLaren employee to provide details.

I'll wait for our resident McLaren employee to provide details.
who might that be?>

Jesus Christ, once again. Man, its so frustrating being a McLaren and Kimi fan. I mean, McLaren NEVER gets their shit straight. From stalling, to gearbox, to engine failures, they really experience every possible problem at one time or another. Alonso isn't a great driver either, if it weren't for McLaren lack of reliabilty his 6 wins would be halved while Kimi's 3 would've been doubled. Maybe one year they'll build a reliable car, maybe.

Montoya's Last place - 2'nd, Unreliable, I dont think so, if he could'nt drive it that hard and get podium. Luck just has too much to do with it.

Montoya's run was just incredible, so was the Schumacher-Fisichella battle. Man this season is fun!.

:buttrock Montoya drove like a controlled mad-man.

who might that be?>

Rory.

:buttrock Montoya drove like a controlled mad-man.

He always does, did you see him launch at Silverstone? :buttrock

Jesus Christ, once again. Man, its so frustrating being a McLaren and Kimi fan. I mean, McLaren NEVER gets their shit straight. From stalling, to gearbox, to engine failures, they really experience every possible problem at one time or another. Alonso isn't a great driver either, if it weren't for McLaren lack of reliabilty his 6 wins would be halved while Kimi's 3 would've been doubled. Maybe one year they'll build a reliable car, maybe.
I repeat, it's not only the driver.
This is a combo, a team effort.
You think MS went from seven-time champion to novice? His car/tyres/team suck.
Honda had an awesome season last year. Same drivers these year can't get enough points.
Alonso showed last year he had talent, the car wasn't powerful, this year it is, and reliable on top. Winning combo.
Kimi is an excellent driver, he has an excellent car, just not reliable. Look what JPM did last race and this race. The car is awesome, when it lasts.
Now, what happens when Fernando wins his 11th race?
Go Alonso!! :buttrock
JPM you'll get you championship one day.

Alonso isn't a great driver either He sucks so hard that he's kicking all the other drivers' asses.

How far ahead of Kimi is he? 26 points?

Yeah. He sucks. :rolleyes

You think MS went from seven-time champion to novice? His car/tyres/team suck.


Schumi's got almost the same team he did at Benetton, I dont think his team sucks, he's got his pit stops down to a science, that the only way he ever beat Hill, Villeneuve and Hakkinen, everyone knows that. His car definately sucks, he coud'nt even hold of Fisichella today.

But that's what F1's all about, there's so much more to it than just a good car or driver.

Anyone remember Mansell's wheel comming off from a pit stop?.

i still blame bridgestone for a lot of ferrari's problems. MS' tires were so worn he needed to use every inch of track just to keep his car on the road. it was only a matter of time before button and then fischi got by.

the constructors title is far from over however. one strong 1-2 showing by mclaren (hey it's gotta happen eventually) and they're right back in this thing. the driver's championship is long gone though; congrats fernando.

Go Alonso! So what if Kimi is quicker or breaks down?
Is he finishing the race? Is he crossing the finish line?
No. There. End of story.

Honestly, reminds me of a basketball game where one team is ahead
for the whole game and then loses in the last minute. So what? You lose you lose...

There is no glory in being the moral or deserving winner in competition sports.
You either win or you don't. That's simply it.

Great drive by Montoya, but if he hadn't choked in qualifying, he'd have gotten a win.

Lucky drive by Alonso, but even he admitted before the race started that luck would play as much a part as reliability, speed, and skill.

Too bad for Kimi. Bitten by "to finish first, first you must finish".

It has been a good season. Yesterday had some good racing - Button vs. MS, Fisichella vs. MS, Villeneuve vs. Monteiro ( :stickoutt ).

Alonso isn't a great driver either

Yes, you're right, after all, it doesn't take a great driver to hold off a charging Michael Schumacher for 15 laps and get the win, by altering your line and apex speed to compensate for your slower car. Only crappy drivers can do that. :rolleyes

Too bad for Kimi. Bitten by "to finish first, first you must finish".


I could'nt have said it any better.

In my opinion, MS should never have gotten those two championships where he pulled those close-door moves first on Hill(94) and then on Villeneuve(97), but that does not matter now, You either win or you don't, nothing else matters.

Mechanic's Error Led to Raikkonen Retirement
Written by: Adam Cooper Hockenheim, Germany – 7/24/2005

Kimi Raikkonen’s retirement from the German GP was caused by a leakage of hydraulic fluid from the pressure relief valve. The leak was apparently due to a preparation mistake by a team member, rather than a technical issue.

The retirement was not related to the mechanical problem that caused Juan Pablo Montoya to stop with hydraulic failure in the French GP earlier this month.

Nevertheless the retirement came as a bitter disappointment to the team, especially as Juan Pablo Montoya showed the speed of the car by charging from last to second after his qualifying crash had consigned him to the back of the grid.

Raikkonen also retired from the lead with a mechanical problem at Imola and a suspension breakdown at the Nurburgring, was delayed by a tire valve issue in Malaysia, and has had two grid penalties for engine failures in qualifying.

“You’re only as strong as your weakest link,” said Ron Dennis. “That’s the essence of team work. Some mistakes you can recover from, some you can’t. This was a weekend of what could have been. It could possibly have been the first one-two of the season.

“Either of the drivers could have won it, and for all of the reasons that are apparent, neither of them did. It’s a pretty unsatisfactory performance all round, but there are seven races to go.”
-speedtv.com

Hmmmmm...job opening at McLaren?

Hmmmmm...job opening at McLaren?
That's saying it nicely, I think someone's walking headless at McLaren right now.

Whoa, how many people here think Kimi would have had the championship if not for all his DNF's, I can count at least 40 points that he would have if the car didnt fail.
On paper, sure, that might be the case. But isn't that why they say, "sports aren't played on paper, they are played on the field"?

Yes, you're right, after all, it doesn't take a great driver to hold off a charging Michael Schumacher for 15 laps and get the win, by altering your line and apex speed to compensate for your slower car. Only crappy drivers can do that. :rolleyesThat was a nail-biter. Reminded me of Alesi and Mansell in the rain at Suzuka in '94 or '95, or Schumacher and Prost at the Hungaroring in '93. :buttrock

Now, what happens when Fernando wins his 11th race?

Take off his racing shoes, and he's got a hole pre-cut out for the toe for #11? :D

On paper, sure, that might be the case. But isn't that why they say, "sports aren't played on paper, they are played on the field"?

Exactly. At the end of last year everyone would've bet on Ferrari in '05.

I could'nt have said it any better.

In my opinion, MS should never have gotten those two championships where he pulled those close-door moves first on Hill(94) and then on Villeneuve(97), but that does not matter now, You either win or you don't, nothing else matters.

Hmmm, are you sure that he won the championship the year (97) he pulled the move on Villeneuve?

;)

Hmmm, are you sure that he won the championship the year (97) he pulled the move on Villeneuve?

;)


damn, you called it :D, disqualified cause of the move was more like it.