did anyone else think the course was super complicated? grrrr

nope, just tight at some sections, but I think it was fun!

Keefe (not the Keefe that hit 7 cones)

did anyone else think the course was super complicated? grrrr

Welcome to our Virginia lot. Not much you can do there, especially with the dumpsters :dunno

It wasn't bad. The course had a good flow to it but was tricky to get right. You should have seen some of the past courses that we've had. If I recall one was called the flight of the bumble bee due to the course crossovers. Even veterans where getting lost on that course. Then there was the Clover leaf course.

Small lots don't give us many options,

Pete

Wasn't too bad. I worked the first session so I watched intently where people went off course. I knocked time off in my 2&3 sessions by the 4th the tires where to hot. Oh well, had fun. Will the event in Bowie be on a longer course?

The Bowie courses will always be longer, and much less comlicated.

Cool, I just I hope I'm not flying then. Is it more suited to R compounds? I might drag out mine.

I liked the course... just took me 3 runs to finally get it down. The last run was the only one I was actually able to push the car... :shifty

OT but was your best time? Your car tended to plow in the front end when you were running..

I thought the guys did a great job on laying out a fun course...the pointer cones marked it out very nice, and for a small lot with the obvious dumpster challenges, I thought it flowed pretty dam well!

Thanks for a fun morning guys! :redspot

Anybody know what FTD ended up being?

OT but was your best time? Your car tended to plow in the front end when you were running..

Talking about me? Yeah... I was the understeer channel. I haven't autocrossed that car in forever, and never on street tires :(

I ran a 43.2 in PSS, but anyone with r-comps should have toasted that time.

Bud, thanks for the comments... I tried to do what I could with the lot. I really thought the course worked out really well from the start all the way through the slalom. after that it got a bit tight and tricky.

Anybody know what FTD ended up being?

I think it was 41 something from the first heat.

Yes John V, I was talking to you, was trying to get an idea how I was doing against M's on street tires. Mine was the black 87 325is. I was sliding the rear end out alot.

Need to work with my sway bars, and tire pressures.

I think it was 41 something from the first heat.

Yes John V, I was talking to you, was trying to get an idea how I was doing against M's on street tires. Mine was the black 87 325is. I was sliding the rear end out alot.

Need to work with my sway bars, and tire pressures.

I would never tune an autocross setup based on that lot. ;p

I thought the guys did a great job on laying out a fun course...the pointer cones marked it out very nice, and for a small lot with the obvious dumpster challenges, I thought it flowed pretty dam well!

Thanks for a fun morning guys! :redspot

Anybody know what FTD ended up being?


Bud,

You got FTD with a 41.1. Noone bested your time. I think Kevin was close though.

Pete

Bud,

You got FTD with a 41.1. Noone bested your time. I think Kevin was close though.

Pete

DAYUM! You know why right? It's caus he's using my headlight :) (When are we going to get together to swap?)

spekaking of... when can i grab those rsm's from you... if you still have them?

DAYUM! You know why right? It's caus he's using my headlight :) (When are we going to get together to swap?)

Damn, I forgot about that...it probaby cost me a tenth or two, ha,ha
I do need to swap soon, as I am going to Summit Point in a couple of weeks and I noticed it made a difference at VIR down the straights of 1-2 miles an hour...the motor seem to breath/rev better with it opened up. :D

I think I was the king of understeer on saturday... :( The car plowed through almost every turn. I kept playing around with the tire pressures every run, but never got it right. I could have also been going into each turn too fast... Any suggestions??? :help

I think I was the king of understeer on saturday... :( The car plowed through almost every turn. I kept playing around with the tire pressures every run, but never got it right. I could have also been going into each turn too fast... Any suggestions??? :help

Where is the understeer? Corner entry, mid-corner, corner exit?

What's your setup? Wheels / tires / suspension?

On a tight course like that, you just have to be patient and not try to come into corners too hot. The surface isn't the greatest, either. There was a lot of sand and dirt on the lot.

Understeer was in the middle-end of the turn. I came out of a few turns with front wheels still turned and plowing straight ahead...

Car is bone stock, except for exhaust. Has the staggered setup, Pilot Sports: 225/45 front and 245/40 rear. I ran 39psi front and 37psi rear at the baysocks event, which worked great. Used the same in manassas, and kept lowering the front pressure every run. I had great turn in, but through the middle of the corner I started pushing hard, and pushed all the way through the exit... :(

Understeer was in the middle-end of the turn. I came out of a few turns with front wheels still turned and plowing straight ahead...

Car is bone stock, except for exhaust. Has the staggered setup, Pilot Sports: 225/45 front and 245/40 rear. I ran 39psi front and 37psi rear at the baysocks event, which worked great. Used the same in manassas, and kept lowering the front pressure every run. I had great turn in, but through the middle of the corner I started pushing hard, and pushed all the way through the exit... :(

Well, you went the wrong direction with your front pressure, for one. Unless you've overinflated the front tires (39psi on Pilot sports doesn't sound overinflated to me) lower pressure = lower grip.

Not much you can do with the staggered setup. It's going to push, especially in tight turns like the Manassas lot courses have. If it feels good at Bowie, don't change it for manassas.

JV

Well, you went the wrong direction with your front pressure, for one. Unless you've overinflated the front tires (39psi on Pilot sports doesn't sound overinflated to me) lower pressure = lower grip.
Yeah, you're right. I found this out the hard way.

:wave Hey sup guys, this is sheel...one of the new guys, driving the s2k

Just wanted to say the autox was fun, thanks for settin that up and it was great meeting everyone... :thumbup:

The course was definelty confusing -- i completely went off course my first run, even after watching heat 2 intentelly and working the course during the beginning of my heat -- but challenging and nice n tight

In hindsight, i think i should been running around in 1st gear instead of 2nd, but i have lots to learn anyways, this was only my 2nd autox...

Oh and that camaro driver was a beast -- i was really impressed!

I look forward to the next one. Do any of you guys run at WDCR?

I look forward to the next one. Do any of you guys run at WDCR?

Lots of us do. I run a gray RX-8 (#99) at the WDCR-SCCA events. Come up and say hi at the next event!

I sometimes run an M3 when it works. ;)

Hopefully it will be ready for the next WDCR event.

Pete

I sometimes run an M3 when it works. ;)

Pete

:fingerboi

Yeah, that's true ... in the interim, I'll just keep adding cone marks to "another" car :devillook :stickoutt

Thanks A LOT JV and Ken for coming down and designing the course. :) That was a helluva long drive to come down and help setup things. I was at BJ's grabbing extra water/ice ... AND running around during lunch time looking for ADAM'S stupid "salad" .... no pork ... chicken, preferably basted chicken ... etc. :mad :stickoutt

I liked the course. I thought it flowed really well ... and had a nice rhythm to it (not that I found it, lol). I have this innate problem of turning in too early around 90 degree turns ... methinks it's a problem with the CAR ... :stickoutt

:fingerboi

Yeah, that's true ... in the interim, I'll just keep adding cone marks to "another" car :devillook :stickoutt

Thanks A LOT JV and Ken for coming down and designing the course. :) That was a helluva long drive to come down and help setup things. I was at BJ's grabbing extra water/ice ... AND running around during lunch time looking for ADAM'S stupid "salad" .... no pork ... chicken, preferably basted chicken ... etc. :mad :stickoutt

I liked the course. I thought it flowed really well ... and had a nice rhythm to it (not that I found it, lol). I have this innate problem of turning in too early around 90 degree turns ... methinks it's a problem with the CAR ... :stickoutt


It's the driver. I have the cone marks to prove it. By the way, you need to buff those out. :D :stickoutt

Pete

No, not really, i just thought that the course wasnt as fast as it normall was due to the smaller parking lot. I deff like Ripken and Baysox stadiums better. It wasnt that tricky though.

LOL what's wrong with a salad?? I already had like 1/2 of a triple cheeseburger! I didn't want to die from eating more junk food

What's the word on results?

What's the word on results?
Wondering the same thing... gotta see how bad I did... :(

Pete is still buffing the cone marks from his car. Once he finishes with that, he will work on the results. :stickoutt

---Eric

http://www.nccbmwcca.org/gallery/data/500/kimjongil.jpg



:lol :lol :lol

Pete is still buffing the cone marks from his car. Once he finishes with that, he will work on the results. :stickoutt

---Eric

He should learn to STOP hitting cones then :rolleyes

If Adam would answer his phone so we can set sometime to meet, we can do the results. :rolleyes

Pete

well damn then, hurry up, Is the next autoX going to be at Ripken? I didnt like the Manassas high parking lot to much. Hoping to go back up to Ripken soon.

well damn then, hurry up, Is the next autoX going to be at Ripken? I didnt like the Manassas high parking lot to much. Hoping to go back up to Ripken soon.

The schedule is on nccbmwcca.org. I believe the next two autocrosses are at Bowie, then we have two at ripken.

I don't like the Manassas lot either. Not many people do but it is in Virginia which helps us keep a balance of events.

I promise Ken and I will design some fun courses for the next couple events. And I know Doby wanted to design a course for the Ripken lot. So watch out! I have a design to try on that lot if it works out as well. I think everyone has a good time at Bowie and Ripken will be even better due to the extra space.

I don't like the Manassas lot either. Not many people do but it is in Virginia which helps us keep a balance of events. Hell I live in Virginia and didn't like the Manassas lot. It was way too tight for my big boat to get around (plus I just plain suck) and Bowie really isn't any further from where I live.

Adam is bringing the computers tonight. Hopefully everything will be done tonight.

We'll see.

Pete

And I know Doby wanted to design a course for the Ripken lot. So watch out!

He's going to spell DMG in cones isnt he. :rolleyes

Hell I live in Virginia and didn't like the Manassas lot. It was way too tight for my big boat to get around (plus I just plain suck) and Bowie really isn't any further from where I live.

Ditto... I think from Arlington/Alexandria, it's the same distance to Bowie and Manassas. It's the drive to Ripkin I'm dreading.

Ditto... I think from Arlington/Alexandria, it's the same distance to Bowie and Manassas. It's the drive to Ripkin I'm dreading.
They are all far for me. I dread them all. :(

---Eric

They are all far for me. I dread them all. :(

---Eric

We are like TWICE as far as you f-face from either ripken, manassas, or bowie :mad :stickoutt

We are like TWICE as far as you f-face from either ripken, manassas, or bowie :mad :stickoutt
So you want more events North of Baltimore next year? :eek:

---Eric

No way... a Manassas in the mix helps out the Va guys driving distance. Who wants to sit in 95 parking lots...

They are all far for me. I dread them all. :(

---Eric

Boo-fing-hoo.

Bowie (http://maps.google.com/maps?spn=0.405938,0.726677&saddr=mt.+airy,+md&daddr=bowie,+md&hl=en)

Manassas (http://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=mt.+airy,+md&daddr=manassas,+va&hl=en)

Eric wanted people to know if you had questions about autocross, results, etc. He is slightly indisposed today. Please EMAIL him at eric_autocross@gmail.com

Just an FYI!

p.s. -- you could also PM him.

Eric wanted people to know if you had questions about autocross, results, etc. He is slightly indisposed today. Please EMAIL him at eric_autocross@gmail.com

Just an FYI!

p.s. -- you could also PM him.
Thanks James . :rolleyes

Fortunately, that is NOT my email address and my PM box is full. ;)

---Eric

Adam is bringing the computers tonight. Hopefully everything will be done tonight.

We'll see.

Pete
Guess results didn't get done... too many beers? :D

Guess results didn't get done... too many beers? :D
I tried calling them every 5 minutes and asking if they were done yet but they stopped answering the phone. :dunno

---Eric

Results are finished. They should be sent out to the webmaster today.

Pete

Results are finished. They should be sent out to the webmaster today.

Pete
Thanks Pete! How did I do? :D

---Eric

IIRC third place.

Pete

IIRC third place.

Pete
Cool, Thanks! Now how did everyone else do?

---Eric

I see the results are up. Nice run John...

ah damn, i did shitty. Im blamming it on my fat ass friend who was 250 lbs. that was in the car with me... im going to go and kick his ass now.

I got grouped in with you M boys and think the classing was wrong, for me anyway Modified SS?

I got grouped in with you M boys and think the classing was wrong, for me anyway Modified SS?


PM me with your modifications. The registrar had you down with an S50 M motor (hense you got grouped there).

Pete

Hm, so Neil won't be at the next event and Ken's car is back to stock.

Anyone have an MSS car I can borrow for the next event, first heat? I'll buy you lunch... :(

Bren? Nick? Doby?

edit: wondering if maybe I should have my points moved from PSS up to MSS for this last event...

edit: wondering if maybe I should have my points moved from PSS up to MSS for this last event...
Wow, we weren't allowed to move points under the old management :stickoutt

Wow, we weren't allowed to move points under the old management :stickoutt

...and we still can't :stickoutt

Wow I suck... I need to come up with some good excuses.

Wow I suck... I need to come up with some good excuses.

"Street tires" is a good one I think I will learn to adopt.

Wow I suck... I need to come up with some good excuses.
http://reverendsgarage.net/excuse_generator.php

I hope this helps. ;)

---Eric

Im blamming it on my fat ass friend who was 250 lbs. that was in the car with me...

250 lbs. man! which part of the car did you let him be seated?

http://reverendsgarage.net/excuse_generator.php

I hope this helps. ;)

---Eric

:lol

That's AWESOME! :laugh

250 lbs. man! which part of the car did you let him be seated?
:lol

http://reverendsgarage.net/excuse_generator.php

I hope this helps. ;)

---Eric

PERFECT!!!

I was trying not to overheat my brakes.
Street Tires on 18s.
and
I wasn't pushing the car hard at all.

:D

PERFECT!!!

I was trying not to overheat my brakes.
Street Tires on 18s.
and
I wasn't pushing the car hard at all.

:D My car had major understeer.
My car had major oversteer.

Thanks for your patience and for setting up a good (albeit slightly confusing) and challenging course.
Made for a great 1st time AutoX experience.

Now the excuse generator says street tires suck and street tires w/ <500 miles on them suck more.