Ok so we were going to tacobell in my friends E46 M3 (SMG) on S. Oyster Bay rd for any of you long islanders out there. So we pull into planview shopping to center cause we saw our friend witha black evo. We talked and he had his friend with a brand new Evo MR with him.<p>
Were talking and say we going to tacobell and as we start to exit out of the mall he cuts infront of us. We didnt wanna race tonight he didnt feel like it, but the kid with the reg Evo pulled lightly out and then waited for us to line up. Evo MR follows behind. Evo MR pulls behind us and reg evo (our friend next to us).<p>
Start roll from about 40. I've never raced an evo with my friend before i was shocked, he pulled about 1/2 car and held it while we were floored then as he shifted to 3rd we started to pull on him hard and got him about 3-4 cl before we stopped going about 135. Evo MR was on our ass but we pulled away from him and he passed by reg evo by less than a hood. Best part of the night
We pull into tacobell and a the kid in the Evo MR got there before us, he passed us as we slowed down to 55. He ran over to us and said there is a cop thats pulling behind tacobell looking for 2 grey cars. (Evo=black,Evo MR grey, M3=Grey) We pulled infront of the cop and my friend lighted a cigarette acted everything normal and we jetted outa there as ssoon as we got back on the road.<p>
Go back to tacobell cuz we didnt get any and he is still looking for us, end of the night we go get wendys. BTW the E46 m3 i think alot of Long Islanders have seen it, Grey, HRE Wheels grey with polish lip. ACS roof spoiler and ACS diffuser. Its a beatiful and i love manual trannys but damn is SMG nice. (sorry for long story this is the first i've written but it was a fun night.)

I barely, and I mean barely, edged out an EVO up to 145 that had nothing more than an aftermarket exhaust system and a ECU reflash. 0-100 he'd probably take me.

Japan is doing some amazing things with factory cars... If I could afford an evo or rex, I probably would get one. LOL- my m3 is less then half the price, and only a tiny bit less performance...

Japan is doing some amazing things with factory cars... If I could afford an evo or rex, I probably would get one. LOL- my m3 is less then half the price, and only a tiny bit less performance...
and only 12 years older w/ rust and aged interior :confused

Why don't you go buy yourself '90 eclipse turbo. It'll have the performance of the M3 w/... Say 1/10 of it's price.

I barely, and I mean barely, edged out an EVO up to 145 that had nothing more than an aftermarket exhaust system and a ECU reflash. 0-100 he'd probably take me.

Was it an '05? They have a larger turbo hotside than the '03-'04 and respond a lot better to mods. With a TBE and a flash I ran a 13.2@107 my first time out. Needless to say, I was happy. :D

I have seen this M around, and I have to say it is gorgeous, but I find it extremely hard to believe that you guys took it up to 135 on S. Oyster Bay Rd. There are always cars in the way, and tons of lights.

thats sounds about right for a stock to lightly modded evo, and those things respond VERY well to mods. I love going out and beating people in my buddy's mildly modded Evo.

My favorite was when a E46 M3 tryed to pick on me. Its funny beating the car you love in a loud little 4-door.

story makes sense, 3rd gear, is a match for e36 m3, 4th gear, the m3 has a slight edge on the Evo (stock of course).
So no doubt an e46 walked it.

hot races, hot cars i was impressed that the evo even kept up w/you for that long, but then again maybe my expecations were to low to begin with. evo is a great car for the twisties, and it can be really amazing in the straights as well. have you guys seen the imfamous 601 awd hp evo? it has taken down eveything that it's raced (w/more hp too) except for a trailer queen 69 camaro w/a 300 shot of ntirous. if you're interested i'll post some vids/info.

hot races, hot cars i was impressed that the evo even kept up w/you for that long, but then again maybe my expecations were to low to begin with. evo is a great car for the twisties, and it can be really amazing in the straights as well. have you guys seen the imfamous 601 awd hp evo? it has taken down eveything that it's raced (w/more hp too) except for a trailer queen 69 camaro w/a 300 shot of ntirous. if you're interested i'll post some vids/info.
my understanding is that the 601awhp was with the GT35R set for 30psi and he is now running 35psi (on his 2.3L stroker).

I have a couple videos of him wasting some impressive cars.

my understanding is that the 601awhp was with the GT35R set for 30psi and he is now running 35psi (on his 2.3L stroker).

I have a couple videos of him wasting some impressive cars.

If I recall he dyno'd recently at 638whp@35psi. The video is floating around somewhere. It includes his race with a s/c Z06, I have it at home.

Edit: Found it. (http://www.srvidz.com/SRvidz_evodyno.wmv) This one just has the dyno pull in it though.

and only 12 years older w/ rust and aged interior :confused

Why don't you go buy yourself '90 eclipse turbo. It'll have the performance of the M3 w/... Say 1/10 of it's price.

My 95 has not a lick of rust anywhere- easier to get a 10 year old clean bmw then mitsubishi.. and, the eclipse performance from any year till 2000 is not as good, even the gsx. The power to weight ratio might be the same, but the suspension and drivetrain leave a bit much to be desired.

That said, it isn't a bad car if you can find a gsx manual with anti locks...

story makes sense, 3rd gear, is a match for e36 m3, 4th gear, the m3 has a slight edge on the Evo (stock of course).
So no doubt an e46 walked it.

E36 M3 Slight Edge over EVO ?

Man E36 M3's can beat anything these day's! I Saw a stock e36 M3 walk a Lamborghini Murciélago.. :D

e36 200whp stock 14.0-14.2 1/4
evo 246whp stock 13.3-13.4 1/4

my understanding is that the 601awhp was with the GT35R set for 30psi and he is now running 35psi (on his 2.3L stroker).

I have a couple videos of him wasting some impressive cars.

can u post some of these videos

yesterday, my friend showed me a video of a guy in a EVO picking on a e46 m3. when they finally get at a light, the EVO gets the launch, but the m3 starts to walk it. ill try to find it for ya guys, if you guys haven't seen it. :buttrock

yesterday, my friend showed me a video of a guy in a EVO picking on a e46 m3. when they finally get at a light, the EVO gets the launch, but the m3 starts to walk it. ill try to find it for ya guys, if you guys haven't seen it. :buttrock
yeah I've seen that, the kid in the Evo wasn't driving that well, but good race and glad the M3 took the punk.

yeah I've seen that, the kid in the Evo wasn't driving that well, but good race and glad the M3 took the punk.
Is this is the one with the two tools that are unsure if it is an M5 or an M3 at first, and then they call the guy in the M3 a fa**ot?

E36 M3 Slight Edge over EVO ?

Man E36 M3's can beat anything these day's! I Saw a stock e36 M3 walk a Lamborghini Murciélago.. :D

e36 200whp stock 14.0-14.2 1/4
evo 246whp stock 13.3-13.4 1/4

sorry but stock 3.2 is more like 215-220whp stock or intake only.

ive never seen a stock evo dyno near that 246whp mark. most are around 215-230 awhp. check out the dyno of a stock evo http://www.ktrperformance.com/services/Dyno_Graphs/Mitsu/graph_EVO8_12_10_04.htm

not to mention the fact that a stock evo drops boost 2psi IIRC, above 80mph or so.

so ya a near stock m3 has the ability to beat a stock evo. ive seen it happen a few times.

We pull into tacobell and a the kid in the Evo MR got there before us, he passed us as we slowed down to 55. He ran over to us and said there is a cop thats pulling behind tacobell looking for 2 grey cars. (Evo=black,Evo MR grey, M3=Grey) We pulled infront of the cop and my friend lighted a cigarette acted everything normal and we jetted outa there as ssoon as we got back on the road.<p>
Go back to tacobell cuz we didnt get any and he is still looking for us, end of the night we go get wendys. BTW the E46 m3 i think alot of Long Islanders have seen it, Grey, HRE Wheels grey with polish lip. ACS roof spoiler and ACS diffuser. Its a beatiful and i love manual trannys but damn is SMG nice. (sorry for long story this is the first i've written but it was a fun night.)I definitely gotta catch up with you guys out there! ;)

sorry but stock 3.2 is more like 215-220whp stock or intake only.

ive never seen a stock evo dyno near that 246whp mark. most are around 215-230 awhp. check out the dyno of a stock evo http://www.ktrperformance.com/services/Dyno_Graphs/Mitsu/graph_EVO8_12_10_04.htm

not to mention the fact that a stock evo drops boost 2psi IIRC, above 80mph or so.

so ya a near stock m3 has the ability to beat a stock evo. ive seen it happen a few times.
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sorry but stock 3.2 is more like 215-220whp stock or intake only.

ive never seen a stock evo dyno near that 246whp mark. most are around 215-230 awhp. check out the dyno of a stock evo http://www.ktrperformance.com/services/Dyno_Graphs/Mitsu/graph_EVO8_12_10_04.htm

not to mention the fact that a stock evo drops boost 2psi IIRC, above 80mph or so.

so ya a near stock m3 has the ability to beat a stock evo. ive seen it happen a few times.

http://forums.evolutionm.net/member.php?find=lastposter&f=16

Not sure if you can see that but check out his sig. And no, MR's dont make any more power than regular '05's. :)

.200rwhp stck E36 m3 about 225-230rwhp stck Evo Vlll.


246rwhp might be the EVO MR.

http://forums.evolutionm.net/member.php?find=lastposter&f=16

Not sure if you can see that but check out his sig. And no, MR's dont make any more power than regular '05's. :)Your link wants user name and passwrd.You mind giving yours to us! :D

Your link wants user name and passwrd.You mind giving yours to us! :D

Doh! I figured it might.

How's this, found the thread: http://forums.evolutionm.net/showthread.php?t=128630

:)

In all seriousness, I am fairly confident in my skills as a driver but I think that I would have my ass handed to me by an Evo (moddded or not). They are fast cars, especially from a dig.

yeah I've seen that, the kid in the Evo wasn't driving that well, but good race and glad the M3 took the punk.

I saw a nice video, a Stage two SRT-4 and an Evo, and the Evo guy wasn't a hot driver. He g0t PWNED.


Love the rice.

Please don't cross post links to other boards, it's in the Etiquette thread parked at the top....

Please don't cross post links to other boards, it's in the Etiquette thread parked at the top....
Or he's gonna ruin the fun!!!! :devillook I hear the KEYS! :cop

thats weird when I was bone stock, I did a 3rd gear roll against my close friends stock 2004 evo and he pulled 2.5 cars on me. I had an extra passenger. Ive also raced a red evo one night, second gear roll, and he had me by about 1.5 CL's.

Is this is the one with the two tools that are unsure if it is an M5 or an M3 at first, and then they call the guy in the M3 a fa**ot?

yeh thats it! i laughed so hard after they got their uhmm handed to them. :D

I have seen this M around, and I have to say it is gorgeous, but I find it extremely hard to believe that you guys took it up to 135 on S. Oyster Bay Rd. There are always cars in the way, and tons of lights.
agree

can u post some of these videos
ask and ye shall receive.....

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Evo_vs_cobras (http://members.roadfly.com/jbgotm/evocobras.wmv)
evo_racing (http://members.roadfly.com/jbgotm/chrisevo.wmv)

evo's are slow.

Whats hard to beleive this was 12:30am almost with no cars on the road? He would've kept on pushing but we arrived at tacobell too fast hehe. I've gone 160 with him on 106, and that is scary cause there are alot of cars during day but he is a crazy kid but good driver none the less.

I saw a nice video, a Stage two SRT-4 and an Evo, and the Evo guy wasn't a hot driver. He g0t PWNED.


Love the rice.

I've owned both cars...stage 2 SRT-4 and an '05 Evo. Unless you're racing from a dig that's an unfair race. Stage 2 puts down anywhere from 260-275whp and a whopping 300wtq+ on an SRT-4. My '05 Evo puts down about 245-250whp and 240-250wtq. It's also about 300lbs heavier. Not a good race at all.

I will tell you that I raced my buddy's '04 SRT-4 w/exhuast a bunch of times last weekend in my bone stock '05 Evo. I didn't pull hard, but I pulled nevertheless regardless of the speed or gear.

sorry but stock 3.2 is more like 215-220whp stock or intake only.

ive never seen a stock evo dyno near that 246whp mark. most are around 215-230 awhp. check out the dyno of a stock evo http://www.ktrperformance.com/servi...O8_12_10_04.htm

not to mention the fact that a stock evo drops boost 2psi IIRC, above 80mph or so.

so ya a near stock m3 has the ability to beat a stock evo. ive seen it happen a few times.

E36 M3 vs. SRT-4 is a good race from a dig, but out on the highway the SRT-4 pulls. I've been on both ends of that one. So how can an E36 M3 be faster than an Evo if I pulled a modded SRT-4? :confused

hot races, hot cars i was impressed that the evo even kept up w/you for that long, but then again maybe my expecations were to low to begin with. evo is a great car for the twisties, and it can be really amazing in the straights as well. have you guys seen the imfamous 601 awd hp evo? it has taken down eveything that it's raced (w/more hp too) except for a trailer queen 69 camaro w/a 300 shot of ntirous. if you're interested i'll post some vids/info.
I want to see the 69 camaro race

Have driven both and much more impressed with the M3. AWD sucks.

E36 M3 vs. SRT-4 is a good race from a dig, but out on the highway the SRT-4 pulls. I've been on both ends of that one. So how can an E36 M3 be faster than an Evo if I pulled a modded SRT-4? :confused
Steiner, how high did you race to? Because I slightly pulled against an Evo (rebadged to MR as we found out) of speeds around 100+ and when I raced Gargoile, he pulled me in 4th. The SRT4 stg 2 was much stronger than the Evo up top. (I don't know what mods the evo had if any.)

E36 M3 vs. SRT-4 is a good race from a dig, but out on the highway the SRT-4 pulls. I've been on both ends of that one. So how can an E36 M3 be faster than an Evo if I pulled a modded SRT-4? :confused
When I was practically stock, I ran a stock '03 Evo (I know the '05 has a little more punch) and it was dead even on the highway.

When I was practically stock, I ran a SRT-4 0-90mph and it was very close with me only having a front bumper on him and niether of us pulling on the other.

With a few N/A mods I had a SRT-4 try me on the highway (giving me some pompous look) and I pulled on him right away. We repeated the race, and I repeated the result.

I will tell you that I raced my buddy's '04 SRT-4 w/exhuast a bunch of times last weekend in my bone stock '05 Evo. I didn't pull hard, but I pulled nevertheless regardless of the speed or gear.


What on Earth are you still doing stock? :stickoutt

TBE, MBC, and a flash (not from Dynoflash) and be happy. :D

What on Earth are you still doing stock? :stickoutt

TBE, MBC, and a flash (not from Dynoflash) and be happy. :D
He's a slacker. Plain and simple. :D

Steiner, how high did you race to? Because I slightly pulled against an Evo (rebadged to MR as we found out) of speeds around 100+ and when I raced Gargoile, he pulled me in 4th. The SRT4 stg 2 was much stronger than the Evo up top. (I don't know what mods the evo had if any.)
Two weeks after I bought the SRT-4 I drove out to Davis and partook in a couple runs against my bro-in-law's '96 M3 up to about 110-120mph. We drove out to Winters on highway 505 for the festivities. He assured me his radar detector would keep us out of harm's way. Each time I put about 6-8 feet between my ugly rear bumper and his Bavarian fascia before we slowed down for traffic or a bend in the road. We switched cars for the ride back and the result was the same. IIRC the bimmer really started to catch its stride after about 4K RPM's, whereas the sartee4 started loosing steam well before 6K RPM's. Both cars were bone stock sans the K&N drop in filter on the Neon. I had about 1200 miles on the clock and he had about 68K on the M3 though. I don't doubt that the fresher Dodge motor could very well have accounted for the disparity in power, but he said himself that the Dodge simply felt more powerfull then he remembered the M3 to be when it was new. Take it for what it's worth.

When I was practically stock, I ran a stock '03 Evo (I know the '05 has a little more punch) and it was dead even on the highway.

When I was practically stock, I ran a SRT-4 0-90mph and it was very close with me only having a front bumper on him and niether of us pulling on the other.

With a few N/A mods I had a SRT-4 try me on the highway (giving me some pompous look) and I pulled on him right away. We repeated the race, and I repeated the result.
Hehe...what's qualifies as "practically" stock? :stickoutt

When the SRT-4 first came out the big buzz over on the boards was "it'll walk an Evo from a roll." I never got a chance to put that to the test when I was stock, but with stage 1 and a 3" cat-back exhaust I ran an Evo w/cat delete and exhaust up to about 120mph out here on highway 680 late at night. It was pretty close until about 80mph and then I proceeded to put a quick 1-2 car lengths on him before he started holdng his ground again. We both pulled off at the same exit and I followed him into a gas station. His first words were "that thing's faster than a 350Z!" OK. 350Z's and G35 coupes are always getting beat by bone stock sartee4's so it made me wonder how fast those '03 and '04 Evos really were. They're not slow, but after pulling my buddy's modded SRT-4 in my bone-stock '05 Evo I can definately say Mitsu significantly upped the power in 2005. Some of the tuners are saying by upwards of 20whp/15wtq.

I haven't modded the car yet because I'm thinking about garaging it and buying a beater for work. Until I have that beater I need for the Evo to be reliable...which means stock in case something should go wrong and it needs warranty work. Eventually I'll do it. Plus if I have a beater for a daily driver I can go nuts on the Evo mods since it will basically be relegated to the role of weekend warrior. Methinks a full TBE, cams, heavy duty clutch, ECU flash and CAI would be a good start in order to get into that 300whp+ range.

Two weeks after I bought the SRT-4 I drove out to Davis and partook in a couple runs against my bro-in-law's '96 M3 up to about 110-120mph. We drove out to Winters on highway 505 for the festivities. He assured me his radar detector would keep us out of harm's way. Each time I put about 6-8 feet between my ugly rear bumper and his Bavarian fascia before we slowed down for traffic or a bend in the road. We switched cars for the ride back and the result was the same. IIRC the bimmer really started to catch its stride after about 4K RPM's, whereas the sartee4 started loosing steam well before 6K RPM's. Both cars were bone stock sans the K&N drop in filter on the Neon. I had about 1200 miles on the clock and he had about 68K on the M3 though. I don't doubt that the fresher Dodge motor could very well have accounted for the disparity in power, but he said himself that the Dodge simply felt more powerfull then he remembered the M3 to be when it was new. Take it for what it's worth.

Oh I'm not saying it isn't faster. I'm just saying my one race against an sartee4 (look at me, using lingo and all :D), well it was like 4 runs. Anywhere from 60-80 up to 110-130. Just depending on when one of us decided to declare he won. Everytime he won. but in 3rd, if he did gain ground, it wasn't much(maybe a few inches), fourth is when he just walked no problem. But we never went below 3rd, at least not me, because 60 is redline for my 2nd gear. Also, did you buy your sartee4 stock, or with stg 1 or 2 from factory?

Oh I'm not saying it isn't faster. I'm just saying my one race against an sartee4 (look at me, using lingo and all :D), well it was like 4 runs. Anywhere from 60-80 up to 110-130. Just depending on when one of us decided to declare he won. Everytime he won. but in 3rd, if he did gain ground, it wasn't much(maybe a few inches), fourth is when he just walked no problem. But we never went below 3rd, at least not me, because 60 is redline for my 2nd gear. Also, did you buy your sartee4 stock, or with stg 1 or 2 from factory?

Every car's different...factory freaks, factory duds, etc...and plus with turbocharged cars you never know if there's a boost leak until you check it. They develop gradually and the ECU will generally compensate for them, thereby deceiving the all knowing butt-dyno.

I bought the car brand new and bone stock. Two days later I had the K&N air filter in it. A week later the BOV. A month later stage 1...and then it all spiralled downhill from there...wife yelling, credit card company calling, speedin tickets, insurance premiums going up, etc. :D

Have driven both and much more impressed with the M3. AWD sucks :handclap great response! :confused :thanks: :nuts .

:handclap great response! :confused :thanks: :nuts .

Yes I concur. Powerslides and neck snapping launches at stoplights are garbage. So is amazing all weather handling and drifting through the snow. Uncle Sam needs to recall America's AWD fleet before suckiness consumes us all. :rolleyes

E36 M3 vs. SRT-4 is a good race from a dig, but out on the highway the SRT-4 pulls. I've been on both ends of that one. So how can an E36 M3 be faster than an Evo if I pulled a modded SRT-4? :confused

03 Evo < e36 m3 < srt-4 < 05 EVO

03 Evo < e36 m3 < srt-4 < 05 EVO

Don't forget...

Pogo stick < Rollerblades < Honda Spree < Hyundai Elantra < 03 Evo < e36 m3 < srt-4 < 05 EVO < morning after pill < Monday Night Football < X-ray vision.

I think that covers it. :D

Don't forget...

Pogo stick < Rollerblades < Honda Spree < Hyundai Elantra < 03 Evo < e36 m3 < srt-4 < 05 EVO < morning after pill < Monday Night Football < X-ray vision.

I think that covers it. :D



:lol

Don't forget...

Pogo stick < Rollerblades < Honda Spree < Hyundai Elantra < 03 Evo < e36 m3 < srt-4 < 05 EVO < morning after pill < Monday Night Football < X-ray vision.

I think that covers it. :D
wait wait wait
bodily functions tops the entire list. That is the greatest thing ever. You feel so good after releasing a bodily funciton. Whether it be pooping peeing, sneezing, farting, burping, etc. They always provide relief.

But morning after pill, what a wonderful invention that is. :D