Here's a question:

I know AIO and SG are compatible, but if I put another coat of AIO on top of paint that has already had SG applied, does that effectively remove the SG?

And if another coat of AIO removes the SG -- then in theory I have to start over with AIO, then SG, then carnuba. Does this theory sound correct?

Thanks,

Bill

From what I understand, yes the AIO will remove the SG. And yes, you would start all over.

after u put on AIO over SG, it removes it. u can apply a new coat of SG right after and then wax over that.

Yes, AIO is a cleaner and will remove SG. You can, of course, add SG on top of SG.

yeah, i've heard of layering sg, but what i've been hearing is that doing a carnuba wax (s100/s21) on top of the sg is pointless.

can anyone validate this?

-mike

Carnuaba on top of SG is not pointless. It gives the paint a whole differant look, obviously differant colors react differantly. Most Sealers will produce a sharp, mirror like finish but may lack depth. Carnuaba will help the depth and 'wet' look. As far as protection, It MAY help the sealant last longer but probably won't protect any better than SG alone.

yeah, i've heard of layering sg, but what i've been hearing is that doing a carnuba wax (s100/s21) on top of the sg is pointless.

can anyone validate this?

-mike

Mike,

I agree with casebrius, a layer of carnuba on top of SG certainly does make a difference. Indeed, that is exactly what I have on my car at this time.

I ended up with 6 layers of SG over AIO. The finish was very shiny, but sort of plastic looking. I suppose that's what is meant when people talk about a lack of depth. Since I like to play with this stuff, I put on two layers of S100. I really like the look.

The paint is titanium silver, so it doesn't reflect like a dark car. The metal flake in the paint is more noticeable with the S100. On sunny days, the car almost looks white and sort of glows. This may just be my imagination, but I like the carnuba over SG.

where can you get such Carnuaba wax?

quick answer: go to your local Harley Davidson shop and buy a tin of S100 wax. Goes on/off easy, good properties, fair endurance.
Long answer: Google Carnauba wax.

thanks guys!

when i first bought klasse aio and sg i did add the s100 over that. then when i posted it on autopia.org, i was told it was pointless to do the sg and then s100.

since it was pointless, i stopped.

i'll go back to using all 3 products now. detailed to perfection (my business) is doing a black z4 3.0i this weekend. it's really swirled up. i'll try the normal process (compound/polish) and then i'll hit it with the 3 products. i'll post the results in the members ride section. :D figure the best test subject would be a black car. :) (and it's not like i'm hurting the paint by adding these layers- hahaha)

-mike

Mike,

Maybe the point the person on autopia was trying to make is that people generally use at least 3 layers of SG to optimize the appearance. It takes about 24 hours for the SG to cure between layers. so you can just get 3 layers of SG on in a weekend.

If you're trying to do this in one day, which I assume you will do as a business, you could only put one layer of SG on the car. This will probably be ok, but it would look better with more. Once you add carnuba, you can't add more SG.

Maybe you should look into Zaino. I pretty sure you can put several layers on during one day. That makes more sense for a pro detailer.

Mike,

Maybe the point the person on autopia was trying to make is that people generally use at least 3 layers of SG to optimize the appearance. It takes about 24 hours for the SG to cure between layers. so you can just get 3 layers of SG on in a weekend.

If you're trying to do this in one day, which I assume you will do as a business, you could only put one layer of SG on the car. This will probably be ok, but it would look better with more. Once you add carnuba, you can't add more SG.

Maybe you should look into Zaino. I pretty sure you can put several layers on during one day. That makes more sense for a pro detailer.

thanks for the tip. :)

i've heard of zaino and it seems like a pain (ordering- cause there is some problem with ordering from NJ, applying- takes forever). i think if i do try zaino out, it would only be for my e36. like any business, we try to give the best results without wasting too much time. doing multiple coats takes too long when you have another car or more to do for the rest of the day. the klasse/s100 is a perfect finish that goes on/off very easy and leaves a GREAT shine.

i'll try the multiple layers though... never really had the time to do so though. i'll give the avus a little tlc this weekend. :)

-mike

What kind of polish do you plan on using? Let us know how it turns out (before&after's).

that what i did

hey guys,

well here's the link to the z4 detail. i gotta ask you guys, the sealant glaze didn't work as well as i wanted it too. i did my test patch, since this was my first time using the porter cable and poorboy's polish. after that, i put on the all-in-one (using the pc).

next i tried puting on the sealant glaze by hand. i didn't use that much, but it was such a pain to put on and take off. left behind marks (like oil marks from your hands or something). so needless to say, i DIDN'T use it on the whole car.

question: should i have applied this by using the pc? should i also get those mf towels to put on the pc to take it off too?

thanks!

OH! and i topped it off with s100. :D

Detailed 2 Perfection - Black Z4 (http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?p=4378248#post4378248)

-mike

my guess is you were putting it on too thick. you have to put it on so you almost can't even see your putting a layer on. It's tough at first til you get a feel of how thin to put it on. The results are great though once ya figure it out. The wolfgang SG is awesome and easier to work with. It has a better glow and might be slicker when used as a LSP, but isn't as durable as KSG. It WILL last months though. I have two coats on my Dakar M3 and it looks great after 4 months. ( I guess i do need to disclose I've only put 400 miles on in those months)

...next i tried puting on the sealant glaze by hand. i didn't use that much, but it was such a pain to put on and take off. left behind marks (like oil marks from your hands or something). so needless to say, i DIDN'T use it on the whole car.

question: should i have applied this by using the pc? should i also get those mf towels to put on the pc to take it off too?...
-mike

Mike,

You can use MF bonnets over a pad to remove the SG, but it's really no easier.

The key to using Klasse SG is to put on a really, really thin layer. Less than an ounce for a car. It helps to have an applicator pad with a very fine nap. The applicator should be a little damp. Use about a dime sized drop of Klasse SG on the applicator and apply to an area about the size of a door, half a hood, etc. Then use a good MF towel and wipe it off immediately. After you finsih the entire car, take another pass with the towel just to make sure all of the extra SG is removed.

From what you wrote, maybe you didn't get the SG distributed on the pad well. I usually fold the applicator in half and squeeze it to distribute the SG across the pad.

good tips guys! i'll try using the tips you gave me on my next detail.

thanks!

-mike