Has anyone found a product that, in there opinion, is 'better' than Ground Control plates? Anyone have experience with their new 'hybrid' plates?

These would be for M, so a modest change in camber (~2 degrees) is what I'm shooting for. Don't care for K-Macs...


Thoughts appreciated.

Best,

PeteinMD

Pete, two choices. Ground Control or TC Kline. I'm running GC's hybrid plates and am very happy with them.

Neil

I believe Turner Motorsport now sells their own version of camber plates. Also, try www.motor-force.com

Ask Teuton his opinion on the GC hybrid camber plates :devillook :stickoutt

I am putting together my own camber kit now that I'm free of the stock-class constraints. I'm aiming for about -2 degrees on my M3.

I ordered a pack of longer strut to hub bolts from McMaster, and I have a bunch of hardened washers that I mic'd and organized by thickness. Cheap and easy way to get more camber if you don't plan on adjusting it frequently. Only caveat is that I might need a front wheel spacer to keep the tire off the strut, since this mod adds camber while maintaining the strut angle.

I will have some extra bolts and washers, let me know if you're interested. Could sell you same to try out.

JV

Ask Teuton his opinion on the GC hybrid camber plates :devillook :stickoutt

Don't ask me unless you are ready to hear an earful. :mad


Must remain calm......going to my happy place.

Pete

oKay, memo to self; don't ask about GC camber plates....

The www.motor-force.com plates don't look all that substantial - maybe it's me, but do you think they'd be as strong as GC or TCK?

I talked with Ed York about using bolts/spacers/washers on the bottom of the strut. He was concerned that a locating pin on the strut may not come in contact with wherever it was supposed to contact, allowing the strut to at least flex, or worse. I had thought about the Turner bolt/washer set as a mild improvement, with swapping the hats. Ed thought different, and I have to defer to his opinion/experience. YMMV.

So. I called Jay at GC, and since I'd planned on using H&R sport springs, I can't use either his hybrid or race plate due to the diameter of the springs (stock vs. 2.25/60mm). Back to the drawing boards - it may be time to think of adjustable perches/different springs... wonder how such a change would work with my Bilsteins?

Thanx all for thoughts.

PeteinMD

Why not use the GC street plate?

So. I called Jay at GC, and since I'd planned on using H&R sport springs, I can't use either his hybrid or race plate due to the diameter of the springs (stock vs. 2.25/60mm). Back to the drawing boards - it may be time to think of adjustable perches/different springs... wonder how such a change would work with my Bilsteins?



Aren't you going to run into that same problem (i.e. stock vs. coilover spring) regardless of whatever camber plate you go with?
Have you seen this?
http://www.turnermotorsport.com/html/detail.asp?PRODUCT_ID=E36CAMBER

Thanx all for thoughts.

Right now, my car has 1.4 and 0.9 degrees of camber (left/right) in the front end. If I use my H&Rs, I add 1-1.5 degrees, taking me past the 2 degree setting I was aiming for. This car will see 1-2 tracks a year (WG and VIR), and is primarily a garage queen. I was hoping the GC street plates would add camber, taking the specs to ~2.0 degrees; I was mistaken.

tblauAG, I can't use those Turner plates as they are for coil over setups, which I don't have at the moment.

Options that come to mind include spring perches from GC with Eibach's, or a complete coil over setup with new shocks, springs, etc., hoping that either option could take out negative camber in the front end.

That's where thing lie now. If I go with either option, I'll have a set of H&R's for sale, soon... :) I'd like to figure out a way to use them, though, as I just installed two new Bilsteins in the rear of the car - I'd like to get some mileage out of them, unless someone out there really wants them (around 50 miles on them) for half price.

Will let you know more after I talk over options with Ed.

Best,

PeteinMD

Pete - RRT can probably fab up (if they don't already have them on the shelf) some fixed camber plates to work with your stock type springs. It doesn't sound like you are looking to be adjusting camber all the time, so a cheaper fixed-plate solution may be exactly what you need.

You can get fixed plate from Dinan $200 for -2 Deg the use your stock strut hats.

FYI, the M cars do not have that locating pin in the hub for the strut.

BMWRacerITS - Thanx for the idea - I'll be there this Saturday;

CABimmer - If I use the H&Rs, I'll have too much camber without any plates. In that case, I'd be looking for plates that added positive camber, to approach the -2 degrees;

vjlax18 - Most Excellent! So, bolt + spacer/washer would work; good to know depending on what I end up with.

No call from Ed yet, so no resolution. Car is due to be worked on the 23rd, so would like to get all the parts sent to him before that. I'm out of town most of next week, hence the sense of urgency.

Again, thanx for all the input.

Best,

PeteinMD

BMWRacerITS - Thanx for the idea - I'll be there this Saturday

See ya there. Since the MCoupe is an E36 up front, they might already have some on the shelf.