I plan on attending one but I want to see if anyone else has signed up or wants to sign up.

The first session is June 25-26 at Summit Point main circuit.


The second is on August 20-21 at Summit Point shenandoah circuit.

I havent been on the track in just over 2 years so from the veterans point of view should I sign up based on what track the school is going to be on?

It also says that if I were to corner work for 3 track days I can get a two-day driving school for half the price.

Anyone have any input? or want to join me for some track time?

I would recommend Summit Main Circuit. Shenandoah is a bit tricky -- IMO. No offense to instructors; but, not ALL instructors are equal. Some are much better than others.

Thus, with Shenandoah, in my mind, you need a good instructor. If it's your first time in awhile -- I would go back to main circuit. I am going to try and make the June one with CCA though.

I would recommend Summit Main Circuit. Shenandoah is a bit tricky -- IMO. No offense to instructors; but, not ALL instructors are equal. Some are much better than others.

Thus, with Shenandoah, in my mind, you need a good instructor. If it's your first time in awhile -- I would go back to main circuit. I am going to try and make the June one with CCA though.


Thanks James, I had heard the Shenendoah circuit runs really narrow between the tree's which I find somewhat unsettling. But has anyone had any experience working the track days in order to get the discount?

Im going to try to make it out to the first even in June then.

I'll be there June 25/26th, but probably with either PCA or Del Val BMWCCA.

I may do August.

But has anyone had any experience working the track days in order to get the discount?I do it all the time.

I do it all the time.

What does it entail? It says you work for 3 track days in order to get the discount. Is that three track days prior to the event you are attending? So I would have to be in at the track 3 days before the event I would attend? or would I be working at the event I plan on attending?

I'm signed up for June and plan on doing August. You should definently go.

I just did the highway safety school and DE this past weekend. My first track event ever and it was incredible. But now I need new brakes. We were on the Jefferson circuit FWIW.

For the track working discount thing I'm pretty sure the way it works is you have to work track days first to get the discount. i.e. you work 3 track days, then you get a credit for 1 DE day you can use at a later date. You can't work and participate in the same DE.

I'm going to try to make it for the June event. Still don't have a car yet.

I would also like to make the FoW full course and perhaps Audi club full course.

We'll see.

Pete

Still don't have a car yet.

Pete

What's being done to your car that's keeping you from driving it for so long?? :confused SECRET WEAPONS??? :eek:

Like you for me it's been a while (6 years). I've done The Glen and Lime Rock this year to get back into things, and have an application in for VIR and your Summit Point school on consecutive weeks.

I plan on working the June event and attending the August event. A few guys this past weekend said more power to me for having the courage to drive the SC. I should have 6 credits by now, but have to talk to a few people about that one. Then I'll be working the last DE at the JC in Oct I think.

Branko, like James said, if you haven't been on a track in a while, start with the main. IF the corner worker gods say I have 6 instead of 5 credits, I may do the June event instead on the Main. I'll be on the Main this Friday for FATT.

If you can tolerate the sun, and don't mind giving up a Sat or Sun, I personally think it pays to corner work. At certain corners, you can even learn a bit while watching.

Ill have plenty of time this summer that I could do corner work. Just chillax in the sun and work the corner.

Your call man... do you want to work a couple to build credits, or do you just want to get out there and run the car. I'd highly recommend working what ever ones you can, which will probably only be the August one if you run in June.

FCUK!!!!! Just remembered we have a wedding Aug 20 :mad I better have 6 credits or else I'll be pissed pissed pissed.

What's being done to your car that's keeping you from driving it for so long?? :confused SECRET WEAPONS??? :eek:


I've been trying to get my Z8 Starter button installed! :stickoutt

My car has been sidelined since I have been waiting on camber plates to be made my GC. The plates I ordered from turner didn't work so I ordered a set from GC, they took a month to make them, then sent me E30 pieces, now I have the right ones. The car is back together now and I'm waiting for the alignment and corner balancing. I should get it back tomorrow but at this rate, I wouldn't be surprised if something goes wrong.

Pete

What does it entail? It says you work for 3 track days in order to get the discount. Is that three track days prior to the event you are attending? So I would have to be in at the track 3 days before the event I would attend? or would I be working at the event I plan on attending?
It is 3 track days prior. You can't work and drive like a spllt heat in an autocross. And working corners is not just sitting back and watching the cars go by. Drivers rely on you to be their eyes around the corner. it probably helps to have done some schools where a corner worker saved your butt. It gives you an appreciation for what they do. Plus you do leanr just by watching people entry and exit corners. You can see how when people start adding speed that they miss their apex further and further. It's pretty interesting.

It is 3 track days prior. You can't work and drive like a spllt heat in an autocross. And working corners is not just sitting back and watching the cars go by. Drivers rely on you to be their eyes around the corner. it probably helps to have done some schools where a corner worker saved your butt. It gives you an appreciation for what they do. Plus you do leanr just by watching people entry and exit corners. You can see how when people start adding speed that they miss their apex further and further. It's pretty interesting.

Well I'm definitely interested in doing this and thanks for clearing up what a corner worker actually does. I had no idea to be honest. Who should I contact about doing corner work?

Well I'm definitely interested in doing this and thanks for clearing up what a corner worker actually does. I had no idea to be honest. Who should I contact about doing corner work?
Contact Steve Lowry his email is pitout (at) hotmail.com.
You will be paired up with someone with experience. It is a long day out there, especially on the main track because the tubs are open. But it is fun in a sadistic kind of way. I will say it is more crucial than chasing cones. Plus schools reserve one or two spots for corner workers to redeem their credits. But they still must register.

Contact Steve Lowry his email is pitout (at) hotmail.com.
You will be paired up with someone with experience. It is a long day out there, especially on the main track because the tubs are open. But it is fun in a sadistic kind of way. I will say it is more crucial than chasing cones. Plus schools reserve one or two spots for corner workers to redeem their credits. But they still must register.

I'll work the corners for free if its wet outside :evil2

this could be fun. may go in august as well

So Branko, are you going to work in June or drive in June?

So Branko, are you going to work in June or drive in June?
If you are going to drive in June you better get an application in now.
We generally accept 60 students and it is probably close to that now.
Registration is based on postmark.

Edit: Oh wait. I don't know how DelVal is coming along.

BTW- BBQ at the June school for all 3 clubs.

I know some people that are using/have used the corner worker credit to get get into driving...it's both good and bad. Good for the individual who wants to get in there and start but is short on cash and wants to learn something from watching cars in a given corner...however, I've got a big problem with letting newbies work the corners by themeselves, that's just plain irrisponsible...I don't know to what extent NCC trains student/workers, however I would hope they understand the gravity of their responsibility...I've seen some pretty unattentive corner workers in the past almost all of which had been some kid up there who was sleeping on the job...tell that to the guy who slides on the oil slick at over 120 mph down the chute or is coming up hard on a turned car on the exit of the corner...corner workers have a very important role at the track, they are the eyes and ears of those on the track and are needed to be 100% on point at all times during their shift...trained workers who do large race events are best because they are used to all sorts of situations, this is something you can't get with a newbie kid on a post whose tired and been out there in the sun all day...

irrisponsible

UNpossible!!! :stickoutt

Hey man, it's not my fault that if I want to take off my shirt to avoid farmer's tan that the drivers are distracted because I'm so manly and buff ;)

Just kidding, but I can say that if you are new, they put you with someone who is experienced. They rarely try to have only one person at a post, let alone someone who has never done it. They review all the flags with everyone, and try to emphasize one person facing one way and the other person facing opposite so all possible points are covered. Also they make sure that you call everything in properly, get the car number and body style/type of car etc, just never call a red car red. My wife actually went once to work with me and she was highly impressed with the emphasis placed on safety both from driver and worker standpoint.

I know some people that are using/have used the corner worker credit to get get into driving...it's both good and bad.
We all agree and it is being addressed. It would be good to have experienced SCCA flaggers work with newbies.

What's wrong with using corner working to get into the driving if you know what you're doing on the corner? Or is that not the point you are making? I think it's a great set up... I feel I know what I'm doing out there and I'm responsible, it's a great way to watch a learn especially when the instructors are out there, and it's an excellent reward to be able to get credits. I still like the idea someone said of double credit if you work the SC in August. Supposedly they need to man pretty much EVERY corner on that track... at least that's what was being said.

I don't know how you corner workers do it. Being completely honest here, you could not get me to sit there on a weekend and work 3 days to get 1/2 off the price of admission.

If it was a 1:1 ratio -- I would do it ... work one day, get one day free ...

But, a big THANK YOU for sitting out there in 100+ degree weather, or crappy hailing weather, or lightning, etc ... b/c -- for this cat here, I certainly would not do it ...

I REALLY REALLY APPRECIATE IT GUYS!!!

What's wrong with using corner working to get into the driving if you know what you're doing on the corner? Or is that not the point you are making? I think it's a great set up... I feel I know what I'm doing out there and I'm responsible, it's a great way to watch a learn especially when the instructors are out there, and it's an excellent reward to be able to get credits. I still like the idea someone said of double credit if you work the SC in August. Supposedly they need to man pretty much EVERY corner on that track... at least that's what was being said.

there's nothing wrong with it...I just feel like it needs to be managed such that newbie workers properly monitor their corner and understand the repercusions of their actions and making proper calls, using flags and signals at the right time and using the correct signal for the situation while communicating effectively with drivers with adequete time for drivers to make the proper adjustments for the corner...also be able to have the same level of alertness throught the course of the day or on their shift (even if it's hot and they are tired...THIS is why I think corner workers should be PAID and trained...NCC makes ENOUGH money off of entrance fees...WHY can't they get proper course workers!!!!), that's so important...I've seen workers napping before and that can cause some serious iissues on a racetrack...nobody is pointing the finger at any one specific individual, just trying to make it a point that it is important job and one that safety is primary consideration...I've seen way too many newbie/uncertified corner workers fuck up or get complacent out there to think otherwise, which is just plain dangerous when you're out there drivng flat out...that's my opinion...

I don't know how you corner workers do it. Being completely honest here, you could not get me to sit there on a weekend and work 3 days to get 1/2 off the price of admission.

If it was a 1:1 ratio -- I would do it ... work one day, get one day free ...

But, a big THANK YOU for sitting out there in 100+ degree weather, or crappy hailing weather, or lightning, etc ... b/c -- for this cat here, I certainly would not do it ...

I REALLY REALLY APPRECIATE IT GUYS!!!

I agree. When I see corner workers waving flags at me, I think to myself, "I don't have to listen to you. You're poor. :rolleyes ".

HPDE Championship...here I come. :buttrock

I agree. When I see corner workers waving flags at me, I think to myself, "I don't have to listen to you. You're poor. :rolleyes ".

HPDE Championship...here I come. :buttrock
:lol

there's nothing wrong with it...I just feel like it needs to be managed such that newbie workers properly monitor their corner and understand the repercusions of their actions and making proper calls, using flags and signals at the right time and using the correct signal for the situation while communicating effectively with drivers with adequete time for drivers to make the proper adjustments for the corner...also be able to have the same level of alertness throught the course of the day or on their shift (even if it's hot and they are tired...THIS is why I think corner workers should be PAID and trained...NCC makes ENOUGH money off of entrance fees...WHY can't they get proper course workers!!!!), that's so important...I've seen workers napping before and that can cause some serious iissues on a racetrack...nobody is pointing the finger at any one specific individual, just trying to make it a point that it is important job and one that safety is primary consideration...I've seen way too many newbie/uncertified corner workers fuck up or get complacent out there to think otherwise, which is just plain dangerous when you're out there drivng flat out...that's my opinion...

Cool man... I wasn't saying you were finger pointing or picking out specific individuals, just was trying to understand where you were coming from. I'll gladly take a corner worker class if it switched to a 2:1 ratio or got paid :D , but I'm cool doing 6 work days for a free weekend. Yes, I get tired, I admit it... sometimes I get bored, but I keep pretty attentive.

You're welcome James and everyone else out there... and I'll say an early thanks to the people working when I finally get to drive in a DE. Till then, I'll keep getting my butt out of bed at the crack of dawn to be out there by 8 for my credits and free lunch... and an instructor ride is always nice now and then :) And after this past Sunday, I fully understand how much of your safety is in our hands (dropped oil through 1-2-3, blown tire at 4).

Now if the drivers would just pay attention to the workers when we wave the black flag at them :stickoutt

I agree. When I see corner workers waving flags at me, I think to myself, "I don't have to listen to you. You're poor. :rolleyes ".

HPDE Championship...here I come. :buttrock

:vffani

NCC makes ENOUGH money off of entrance fees...Let's not go there because you have nothing to base that on. :mad Other schools put more students on the track and some eliminate the skid pad. We don't. Some tracks are huge and their entire operating chapter operating budget is based on driving schools. Our driving schools are not there to make a profit but to serve our members. And I have heard other chapters, those that you instruct for complain about their paid corner workers. BTW, have you ever attended an NCC school?

But qualified corner workers is important to us and especially me since I drive. When it comes to safety money is not an issue. And it has already been discussed regarding future BSR corner workers, especially for the SC.

Now if the drivers would just pay attention to the workers when we wave the black flag at them :stickouttAnd instructors. I had to get out of the bucket with my black flag and they still didn't see it!

And instructors. I had to get out of the bucket with my black flag and they still didn't see it! :shifty










Actually I saw my black flag the first time. Guinness you asshole :mad :stickoutt

And after this past Sunday, I fully understand how much of your safety is in our hands (dropped oil through 1-2-3, blown tire at 4). I was behind both of those incidents, and I too fully understand the importance of corner workers now.

Let's not go there because you have nothing to base that on. :mad Other schools put more students on the track and some eliminate the skid pad. We don't. Some tracks are huge and their entire operating chapter operating budget is based on driving schools. Our driving schools are not there to make a profit but to serve our members. And I have heard other chapters, those that you instruct for complain about their paid corner workers. BTW, have you ever attended an NCC school?

But qualified corner workers is important to us and especially me since I drive. When it comes to safety money is not an issue. And it has already been discussed regarding future BSR corner workers, especially for the SC.

Steve, my point is that an NCC school charges more than a tarheel school or other chapters, that's for sure...yes, NCC has the skid pad and that's valuable but so does car guys and BSR for that fact...have I done an NCC school, you bet. Did one back in '02 or '03...it was a good school no doubt, however they had kids working the corners with little expereince...that's what I recalled from that event...

NCC still uses a lotery system and turns it's own members away...that's sad for one of the largest chapters in the country and it's something I don't like at all about the chapter...NCC only uses Summit Point, why when VIR is close by...there are also not as many events as other chapters from my understanding...sure the instruction is good, but it is NO better than tarheel or the others...does NCC host a club race, No? Does NCC still use a lotery system and place members on a waiting list...I dunno, why don't you tell us...

look Steve, I'm part of NCC and proud to be a part of it...it is a very good chapter that does a lot for us as enthusiasts, but to think that it is active in driving events/track events and/or racing is just not true in my opinion...and surely there are places within such endeavors that the chapter could use some improvement...just my $.02 :)

A couple of points sunir so you do not end up eating your foot on this one.

a) NCC has done away with the lottery system. I think back in '04 and this year ...etc. First come, first serve now -- so, drop it in the mail ASAP and you can go. After that, a waiting list.

b) NCC is doing a joint day at VIR this June with MBCA and I forget the other chapter.

c) cannot comment on clubracing

I think NCC does a lot re: "Driving" events for the masses. You have to remember Sunir, club racers and DE'rs are in the minority for NCC membership. Most people are interested in DIY's, tech, and some skills control like safety school, autocross school, or teenager driving program. That's what members really seem to appreciate.

NCC is better than zone 2 PCA IMO -- we at least allow non-ncc members to join ... zone 2, no Porsche vin -- you can't play: period.

Plus, I do not think it is right to criticize an organization if you have no part in it or provide any service to it. I do not go to the meetings -- so, there may be a lot of things that we are not aware of. Consequently, we have no right to criticize how things are run.

If you want things to be different, volunteer and attend meetings. :)

Steve, my point is that an NCC school charges more than a tarheel school or other chapters, that's for sure...yes, NCC has the skid pad and that's valuable but so does car guys and BSR for that fact...have I done an NCC school, you bet. Did one back in '02 or '03...it was a good school no doubt, however they had kids working the corners with little expereince...that's what I recalled from that event...

NCC still uses a lotery system and turns it's own members away...that's sad for one of the largest chapters in the country and it's something I don't like at all about the chapter...NCC only uses Summit Point, why when VIR is close by...there are also not as many events as other chapters from my understanding...sure the instruction is good, but it is NO better than tarheel or the others...does NCC host a club race, No? Does NCC still use a lotery system and place members on a waiting list...I dunno, why don't you tell us...

look Steve, I'm part of NCC and proud to be a part of it...it is a very good chapter that does a lot for us as enthusiasts, but to think that it is active in driving events/track events and/or racing is just not true in my opinion...and surely there are places within such endeavors that the chapter could use some improvement...just my $.02 :)
If budget/value is such an issue, then you should suggest the NCC start charging instructors a reduced rate for the schools, like some of the PCA clubs. They're roughly $100 less for a similar weekend, which is incidentally what their instructor rate is.

I think this has drifted too far off topic to continue.

Anyone looking to attend the June NCC school I would suggest getting their application in pronto. It is based on the postmarked date. You can contact our registrar to see how many applications he already has. His email address is on the NCC website under administration.

yeah I've talked to Steve about this and he's clarified a few things for me just recently...it's all good, I still enjoy our chapter...it's a nice one to be part of...I also like other chapters and enjoy some of the events they have as well :)

yeah I've talked to Steve about this and he's clarified a few things for me just recently...it's all good, I still enjoy our chapter...it's a nice one to be part of...I also like other chapters and enjoy some of the events they have as well :)


Nice, a good a$$ whooping was in order for you.

Note that you're no longer abusing the smiley's.

Well done Steve :)

Hey man, I just would like my wife's one credit transferred over to me since she'll never be doing a DE and I will. Not only will I be driving a DE, but I will also continue working, both for credits, and because I know what I'm doing on the corner and often just enjoy being at the track. That's really my only gripe, that someone who openly talks about transferring all their credits to their son or whatever, which are A LOT of credits, won't allow 1 credit to be transferred. Like I said, it's not like I'm going to stop being a member, or stop corner working... and it's not like I'm going to have my wife come out again so I can get her credits. It was a one time thing.

Anyway, I'd really like to do the June school, but it's really pending the one credit. If I don't end up driving it, I'll be out there working it, and I also plan on working the Sunday at SC since I have a wedding that Saturday.

Who has transferred worker credits? I do not think that is allowed.
Although I'd like to see people be able to transfer worker credits to their immediate family, it is not in the policy.

Who has transferred worker credits? I do not think that is allowed.
Although I'd like to see people be able to transfer worker credits to their immediate family, it is not in the policy.

Someone will be transferring their credits when their son is able to drive.

So you are saying there is no policy that says you can or cannot transfer credits?

Now if the drivers would just pay attention to the workers when we wave the black flag at them :stickoutt

I admit that I had a hard time paying attention to the corner workers while on the track. Being that it was my first time the whole experience was overwhelming.

If I wasn't 2 hours away I'd love to do some corner work. I just can't see myself driving 2 hours in the morning and 2 after the event for 2 days straight.

Steve, are we allowed to request instructors prior to the events? I spoke to Dan Martin before this event and he mentioned something about someone possibly requesting him... Now that I think about it seems to me that it's not a bad idea.

Nice, a good a$$ whooping was in order for you.

Note that you're no longer abusing the smiley's.

Well done Steve :)


right :rolleyes ...

note: I still think Tarheel and some others add more value at least as far as my interests go...don't get me wrong, NCC is fine but I'd rather go flat out on a racetrack at 11/10ths than go wine tasting and eat cheese and grapes...although I do like some of the social aspects of the club as well as other functions we put on as a club...

Steve and I talked about this in the past and he clarified a few things about the direction and goals of NCC...that's about it...we agree to disagree on a few things but that's fine, overall we both agree that NCC is a good org to be a part of...

Steve, are we allowed to request instructors prior to the events? I spoke to Dan Martin before this event and he mentioned something about someone possibly requesting him... Now that I think about it seems to me that it's not a bad idea.You can make requests. The Chief Instructor will see them. Final decision is up to the Chief Instructor. He may have a reason to do so or not.

So you are saying there is no policy that says you can or cannot transfer credits?AFAIK you can not transfer credits although I think the CI, Coordinator, Chief of Workers and Registrar should be allowed to considering the amount of credits they have built up over the years.

AFAIK you can not transfer credits although I think the CI, Coordinator, Chief of Workers and Registrar should be allowed to considering the amount of credits they have built up over the years.

AFAIK??

So I guess that means I'll be working the rest of the summer cause the one won't be transferred :(

You can make requests. The Chief Instructor will see them. Final decision is up to the Chief Instructor. He may have a reason to do so or not.

Wonderful, how does one go about doing so before an event? Is it something I put down on the form or do I have to contact someone?

Wonderful, how does one go about doing so before an event? Is it something I put down on the form or do I have to contact someone?Just write it in the other experience section on the form. I will say the June school is probably on wait list by now.

Just write it in the other experience section on the form. I will say the June school is probably on wait list by now.

Right, I will try to make another school this year. Thanks for you help steve.

AFAIK??

So I guess that means I'll be working the rest of the summer cause the one won't be transferred :(

that's BS...you should be able to get the credit for your wife...she is a spouse so she is an immediate family member...NCC should honor that credit transfer...

to use a morbid example, lets say someone in my family had credits and passed away, then I sould be able to use those credits...NCC should definately honor transfers among family members...

just another area NCC DE program needs improvement!! :help

that's BS...you should be able to get the credit for your wife...she is a spouse so she is an immediate family member...NCC should honor that credit transfer...Then write to the people who make the rules. I got involved with the chapter because I did not like what I was hearing. When I got involved most of what I heard was simply not true. Our meetings are the 2nd Wednesday of every month at Raf's house in Oakton. If you want to attend, send Raf a message. Last year we tried to have meetings at restaurants in an attempt to get more people involved. We have a driving school meeting May 25 in Tysons. If you want to attend contact Roy Morris, his email is on the NCC website. We welcome member participation. There really is nothing on bf.c keeping me here except for the track forum.