If you didn't already hear the news on Stage 3, here is a link to my other thread.

http://www.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=35061

Thanks, Phil! I wonder if my 3.0 is eligible for the Stage 3 treatment???

Yep, sent my DME of to OSH today for the new software install while the secondary fuel pump and new MAF are being put on. Then Osh and Jeff will be here Sat. with my DME to fine tune the software on the dyno. I post the numbers as soon as I have them.

John

jcarp, who's fuel pump is it? RMS' or some other aftermarket company that RMS is utilizing in this kit?

Thanks!

Osh told me it was sold by Vortec but made by another company, but I can't remember the name. I'll try to find out.

John

I used the vortech t-rex but it is very noisey..IM AM WORKING on an in tank that will supply all the fuel needed !

Is the fuel pump included with the Stage 3 kit?

Yes, fuel pump, regulator,MAF and software and injectors.

The fuel pump is $224, regulator $128, MAF $454 and injectors $135 ea.

Software is $600 list.

Thanks, John!

What size injectors?

That's about $2200 total for the Stage 3, safe to assume $2K even....?

injectors are 135 each?? You've got to be kidding? I paid 220 for 8 Ford injectors

The injectors are 36 lb and don't get me started on the price I raised holy hell about that - Osh insisted on these because of the impedance. That's all I know.

I had to buy the new 70mm MAF just like the one I have because it's been modified for a full 5V. You can argue that point all you want but it doesn't change the fact that you have to buy it to get the software installed.

I'm over it and looking forward to Saturday.

Anyone want to buy a Bosch/Dinan 70MM MAF that's was only used for two months?

John

I still wonder if this Stage 3 thing will work in my car with the 3.0 and a 10 psi pulley....? :D

You need to take a trip over to RC - http://www.rceng.com/prices.htm

At 43 psi 36lb injectors are 36 x 10.5 = 378 cc/min.
If this is the flow at 50 psi we must reduce to get the measurement taken at 43 psi, which gives us sq(43/50)
At 50 (that's what we run at right?) if would be sq(43/50) x 378 = 350 cc/min.

So 370 cc/min is a good pick then.
$84.50 low impedence, $88.30 high.

And RC isn't necessarily known for being a great deal. - Beau


Originally posted by jcarp
The injectors are 36 lb and don't get me started on the price I raised holy hell about that - Osh insisted on these because of the impedance. That's all I know.
John

In view of the larger picture, the price of the injectors is insignificant! I'm approaching 100M invested (including the price of the car) so what the hell is $800 vs $400 or even $200. If they work as advertised then it's money well spent.

John

100M?

That's 100K, Dave. In my business, 100M would mean millions. But, in others 100MM would mean millions, whereas 100M is thousands.

:eek: $100K in your car!! Holy Crap!!

Gotta show the wife this thread next time she gives me a hard time about the 10 psi pulley and injectors I want next.... :D

Ok, so you want a 10 psi pulley(s). Well if you track your car, which is 90% of what I do with it, you'll want the 8 rib set up (two pulleys, tensioner, belt etc). And yes you'll need those larger injectors and the software to run them, but then you'll find the fuel requirements exceed the ability of the stock fuel pump at about 6000 rpm, so you'll need a secondary fuel pump and regulator.

So far so good, but at the higher boost running down the front straight in the middle of July your car can no longer dissipate the extra heat, so an oil cooler and larger radiator are needed.

Wow, now your making all this extra horsepower but your car can't get it down to the pavement efficiently, so you throw away the Dinan suspension and get a multi adjustable coil over system and various spring rates to try along with a Quaife differential. Great, but you want improve acceleration and your ability to stay on boost more often, so lower gears are in order. Oops now you run out of motor before you run out of straight away, no problem add a 6 speed and your set.

Except now you need braking that equals your acceleration - Brembo's on all 4 corners- cool! Except you'll need new wheels to clear the brakes, two sets - one for street and one for track, with tires of course.

And we haven't even begun to get to all the extras, the custom seats, the custom roll bar, the carbon fiber hood and front bumper (plus paint), the custom hitch and trailer to get your stuff to the track.

We didn't even discuss exhaust and headers or the stereo upgrade so you hear your tunes over all the extra noise.

You see Dave it's a slippery slope, on thing leads to another and I haven't even mentioned a third of it. Throw in one shit load of labor and before you know it.....

Your wife just might be doing you a bigger favor than you realize, or than again..... :)

John

lucky for dave he doesn't know how to turn... he only needs enough cooling to get him 1320-ft down the track and back to the pits to cool off.

and the water injection will be nice too. Oil cooler may not be a bad idea dave....?

...I'm really curious why they used an Iron Block for the S54 when dave has proved the standard aluminum M54 block good WAY beyond the power levels in the S54... dave... do you remember main-cap girdles from your mustang days.... might be time to start thinking about them again! (just keep that thing together until august!!!!!!)

I hear you, John, and it is a slippery slope, indeed! das is right, though, I only need to get 1320 ft all out, then cool down run back to pits, shut it down for 40 mins to cool off and then run again. :D And I only track my car 3-4 times a year, believe it or not, it's my daily driver...

Yeah, I remember main cap girdles, alright. And what you say about the aluminum engine of mine versus some others and such, is one of the things that often times has me cautious about adding anymore power to my car. My set up has proven quite reliable (although the mods were added at 1200 miles and I only have about 4000 miles on it now), and it's not like my car is slow as is, so there are times I think about just leaving "well enough" alone, but it's soooo damn hard to do that... :evil2

Ah man, don't say that... just more impetus for me to get a speed shop going for high buck cars. - Beau

Originally posted by jcarp
In view of the larger picture, the price of the injectors is insignificant! I'm approaching 100M invested (including the price of the car) so what the hell is $800 vs $400 or even $200. If they work as advertised then it's money well spent.

John

Unfortunately after having lunch with John, now I'm on to my car AGAIN! Damn, and I thought I was done with this POS. No way, no how. I don't even want to add up the amt on my puny little 328 - what a shame. But it was fun though :)

Now Mitch, don't you dare blame your weakness for spending money on me - after all, how much credibility does someone with the name "Hot Lips" have any way?

John

shoot, at least my sig doesn't sound like a fishhttp://members.roadfly.com/mitchellphillipi/flipoff.gif

It's nice to know that I'm not the only local crazy for more power thoughhttp://members.roadfly.com/mitchellphillipi/BURNOUT.gif

nice! what is the size of the maf?

Haven't heard back from RMS yet on the particulars of the kit. But, Ferrarokid (Tommy) already has it on his M Coupe. I bet he could answer a host of questions.

WE ARE ALL POWER JUNKIES! WE ARE SICK! GET US HELP!

:devillook

jcarp,

How much do you want for the MAF?

$200, just email me if you want it. jcarp@superiorbag.com

John