Well this GB is over because EuroSport sucks. Thanks bimmer95 for trying to help us out.

Sorry guys. I am just as dissapointed as all of you. 50 people and they are too stingy to give us a discount. :mad

whats the price? Does it include everything to be installed, I may be interested

I'm interested same questions as above.

if the price is right im in

Im in

is this kit basically everything u need to install an M50 manifold onto a 3.2?

i am just waiting on bimmer95 response to see what kind of discount he may give us, so if youre interested just put your name down, and if later on the discount is too marginal, you can take them off...let's get a head jump on this guys, so we dont have to later

is this kit basically everything u need to install an M50 manifold onto a 3.2?
yes

if you want your name off the list pm me,

i will contact bimmer95 and ask him to try to get an idea from eurosport on the savings we might be able to get

what type of numbers and who's kit are you looking at?

stick me on the list, u know i've wanted this : )

estimated price for manifold and other parts?

this is for the EuroSport Kit...were getting a feel for the number of people interested in getting the kit, and 'bimmer95' from understeer.com will be checking for us on monday what kind of discounts he can get us...the more people the bigger the discount :buttrock

like i said guys i dont know of what the discount is, but i think its well worth a try to see what we can get if people are committed to buying it...if you dont like what you see later then just don't buy it

who else is in for now? i will give the list to bimmer95 on sunday

Loud_Tiger check your pms

Please don't forget to do before and after dyno :)

Alright according to understeer.com the kit is 350 sans the actual manifold. I suppose if it was in the sub 300 shipped range you can count me in.

Im up for it too if the price is right

mike

I'm in......i'll drop if the price is too high thanks aj

anyone else in? if you want in just say youre in, i funderstand most people are in as long as the discsount is good. i am as well

This has probably been answered before, but is this modification possible without the use of a re-mapping chip? Sorry I'm too lazy to search right now ;)

This has probably been answered before, but is this modification possible without the use of a re-mapping chip? Sorry I'm too lazy to search right now ;)

Yes it can. I have done it and have not re-mapped my ecu. Works just fine.

count me in

If the discount is significant, count me in. Stage V here I come. :evil2

GrifM3
Dinan S2

Count me in if the price is right

come on guys get in on this...the more people the larger the discount

I'm in ...I been putting off this upgrade for to long now

If the price is right, count me in.

I am in if the price is right.

I am in if the price is right.
Ditto...

Get a price and this tread will be more productive

I'm interested if the price is right...

Allen

i cant get a price yet, bimmer95 of understeer.com said that he would discuss with Eurosport potential discounts we could receive....if you dont like what you see later, no one is holding you from leaving the list...but we might as well have a solid backing ahead of time

we should know on monday what kind of price we could see....

thanks

:) any more potential takers?

well the price on his site is 350 + 25 for the fuel rail cover... i dunno how much he can knock of that, but if it's a significant change (not just 25 bucks or something) i'll buy it too :)

well the price on his site is 350 + 25 for the fuel rail cover... i dunno how much he can knock of that, but if it's a significant change (not just 25 bucks or something) i'll buy it too :)

ditto.

I'm hoping to do 10-15% off plus free ground shipping, I want to okay everything with Eurosport first. There's no sense in ticking off your suppliers by lowballing their excellent product. Keep in mind that if I put something together, there will be a limited time to buy in and it will be a one time offer. I still get people asking me to sell the Stromung exhausts at same price as the group buy from two years ago.

hopefull,they will give a large discount there is probably more interest in this post alone tha in the last year combined :eek:

I'm in--kit w/fuel rail cover.

I'm hoping to do 10-15% off plus free ground shipping, I want to okay everything with Eurosport first. There's no sense in ticking off your suppliers by lowballing their excellent product. Keep in mind that if I put something together, there will be a limited time to buy in and it will be a one time offer. I still get people asking me to sell the Stromung exhausts at same price as the group buy from two years ago.


Chris..do you think you can check with them for the people who want the MF kit/manifold if they can do a GB on the sw as well? NOT the regular shark injector but the sw to run with the m50 manifold.

TIA

hopefull,they will give a large discount there is probably more interest in this post alone tha in the last year combined :eek:
Don't count on it.

NOT the regular shark injector but the sw to run with the m50 manifold.
There's no such software. There's only three E36 Injector software versions: standard, 2.8L with M3 cams and 3.2L with Schrick cams. The standard Injector works great with the M50 intake.

Count me in for the M50 install kit + fuel rail cover.

Also interested in 2.8L Cam Kit.

count me in

Put me down, as long as i don't have to sign on the dotted line till I see the price. This does work for any obd2 S52 motor right?

well Count me in too for the M50 install kit + fuel rail cover. and keep me post.. :buttrock

31 potential buyers, this is great :)
edit:: 32

Good luck everyone, ;) I am stopping by Eurosport tomorrow to pick up my conversion kit, they just manufactured some over the weekend, so for you all I will *wink, wink, nudge, nudge* those guys about this. :cool


it really would be funny if you all drove to Utah and showed up there together, then you would really have some clout. just thought that would be a great photo to post!!! ;)

Put me on the list.

Dave

Count me in...

This mod works for OBDII e36's right?

I'm in if the price is right.

i would be in also depending on price.

Im in...if the price is right :)

all requests added....'bimmer95' intially said to try to get 10-15 people, hopefully this will be a bigger discount since its nearly 3x more people

everyone else if you have interest please hurry, we should be getting some idea today

thanks :redspot

i'm hoping for a deal without the manifold or fuel rail pieces, hopefully that can be done... we'll wait for prices i guess

yea me too, i am only interested in the kit...you can get a refurbished manifold for $150 or so from a seller here on BFC so that is 100 dollars cheaper

Im in...if the price is right :)

^^

yea me too, i am only interested in the kit...you can get a refurbished manifold for $150 or so from a seller here on BFC so that is 100 dollars cheaper
it was my understanding that the kit didn't include the M50 to begin with. if it needs to be said though i also am in it just for the kit and fuel rail cover.

original post updated, please read

if the price is right, im in..

Interested also.

im interested for the 2.8L kit

Is going to be a group buy with the manifold included or just the kit to install and then you need to find your own manifold.

Is going to be a group buy with the manifold included or just the kit to install and then you need to find your own manifold.


i am hoping they wont slap the manifold on us...you can get a refurbished one from a member, i think his handle is 'redrocket328'....in the area of 150 dollars...EuroSport charges you $275 for the same thing...if you dont want to save $100 instantly from buying from a member, then i dont think you are making a wise choice...i highly doubt they would discount the manifold itself by $100...are you in?

I am interested in this kit since it makes the M50 install easier and cleaner.

-The kit is expensive for what it is. The discount would have to be significant for me to jump in.

The M50 Manifold can be found for much less elsewhere.. (i.e. 'redrocket328')

count me in!
ill take the conversion kit with the fuel rail cover.

1. LeMansGTS
2. JM3
3. Philude
4. BMWM3///sdn
5. Lucky579
6. M3andPorsche
7. perryrossi
8. Loud_Tiger
9. Mikes///MPower
10. Go_snow lets make this as long as we can, maybe a big discount will come
11. GrifM3
12. justaddcoffee
13. sk13
14. BallZack
15. Wushucivic
16. toopercentmlk
17. socalguy
18. Mode
19. 99mtres
20. djarum
21. KC332is
22. 99m3riverside
23. estorilblau
24. Chuck90M3
25. XTNSIV
26. LagunaSecaBlue
27. fdawg
28. FredK
29. MPWRCPE
30. JM3
31. EOSphoto
32. azndrifter127
33. DSrugis
34. Deloriant
35. M32NV
36. jworms
37. NY98M3
38. slvrathlon
39. AVRCUBE
40. Tochenzo
40. Dragon3
41. MJFX328
42. eneyeengee

so whats the price?

Waiting for a price?

I'm waiting to hear back from JB at Eurosport guys, sit tight.

that's a long list.

I'm in!

that's a long list.
40+ people is a long list. i wonder how large the largest gb on bfc was.

how much discount can we expect with this many people? 10%, 15%, 20%, more?

I'm in! need a kit for 328i. I don't need a manifold though. anyone have a price yet?

I'm in. Add me to list.

names added, cmon guys we only need 5 more for 50

they should be giving us a phat discount, well i hope they do


i think 50 people probably hadnt even bought the kit all of last year :redspot tell me if i havent added u yet

im in if the price is right.

Im in.

I'm in too!! :)

1. LeMansGTS
2. JM3
3. Philude
4. BMWM3///sdn
5. Lucky579
6. M3andPorsche
7. perryrossi
8. Loud_Tiger
9. Mikes///MPower
10. Go_snow lets make this as long as we can, maybe a big discount will come
11. GrifM3
12. justaddcoffee
13. sk13
14. BallZack
15. Wushucivic
16. toopercentmlk
17. socalguy
18. Mode
19. 99mtres
20. djarum
21. KC332is
22. 99m3riverside
23. estorilblau
24. Chuck90M3
25. XTNSIV
26. LagunaSecaBlue
27. fdawg
28. FredK
29. MPWRCPE
30. JM3
31. EOSphoto
32. azndrifter127
33. DSrugis
34. Deloriant
35. M32NV
36. jworms
37. NY98M3
38. slvrathlon
39. AVRCUBE
40. Tochenzo
40. Dragon3
41. MJFX328
42. eneyeengee
43. Robert

48 people so far! two more for fifty!

1. LeMansGTS
2. JM3
3. Philude
4. BMWM3///sdn
5. Lucky579
6. M3andPorsche
7. perryrossi
8. Loud_Tiger
9. Mikes///MPower
10. Go_snow lets make this as long as we can, maybe a big discount will come
11. GrifM3
12. justaddcoffee
13. sk13
14. BallZack
15. Wushucivic
16. toopercentmlk
17. socalguy
18. Mode
19. 99mtres
20. djarum
21. KC332is
22. 99m3riverside
23. estorilblau
24. Chuck90M3
25. XTNSIV
26. LagunaSecaBlue
27. fdawg
28. FredK
29. MPWRCPE
30. JM3
31. EOSphoto
32. azndrifter127
33. DSrugis
34. Deloriant
35. M32NV
36. jworms
37. NY98M3
38. slvrathlon
39. AVRCUBE
40. Tochenzo
40. Dragon3
41. MJFX328
42. eneyeengee
43. sawbones
44. berlinetta
45. Mars
46. Moolala
47. hottnikkz
48. Robert
49.
50.

48 people.. not only would they be hittin the bank... 48 people.. that's gotta mean SOMETHING. lol

give me a price and Im in

As I said, I'd need to okay any deals with Eurosport, their answer, "Please don't." Sorry guys, but free shipping is the best that can be offered on their excellent kit.

Wow.

As I said, I'd need to okay any deals with Eurosport, their answer, "Please don't." Sorry guys, but free shipping is the best that can be offered on their excellent kit.

Pretty disappointing response from Eurosport considering an order of 50 probably equals their sales forecast for the rest of the year on this product. :rolleyes

i have an idea.

we can all get the M50 manifolds alone, right? how about a few of us get together and come to a conclusion on which parts are the best to use to install them on our 3.2s, and then we can try to sell or make kits of our own? if i could find the parts locally, i'd be happy to snap them all up and make it a one stop shop for everyone, as opposed to everybody looking for all the parts they need one by one.

I have 9 intakes availble for $225 shipped. I know some one had a few that he offered for 150+ shipping but people are snagging Obd1 equipment left and right.

the junk yards know this and now are charging much more

i cant believe eurosport this is ridiculous on there part!

gb is done

Free shipping? That's a good one.

:(
how many people would we need for free shipping?

so wat is goin on now?? :confused man eurosports is massup man.. :mad so how much is the price is for now includeing the intake MF and everything cost?? and how mcuh with out the intake MF cost?? let me know thanks.. :shifty :confused

i can get one at my local bmw shop for $125. maybe i should grab a few, put together a few kits, and sell them for $250 apiece... i'd undercut every company and still make a killing

how many people would we need for free shipping?
Just one. Sorry I can't do any better, Eurosport has to take in to account their other dealers too.

Well that totally sucks that they won't lower the price for a group buy of 50 people, but on another point, thanks for setting up the group buy.....it's greatly appreciated it's just too bad it didn't work out. Thanks again,
Sincerely A.J.

Well that totally sucks that they won't lower the price for a group buy of 50 people, but on another point, thanks for setting up the group buy.....it's greatly appreciated it's just too bad it didn't work out. Thanks again,
Sincerely A.J.

yeah man, nice try LeMansGTS

Just one. Sorry I can't do any better, Eurosport has to take in to account their other dealers too.
thanks for trying to be the vendor on this gb. you tried, thats all we can ask.

and thanks lemans for trying to set this up.

thanks guys

pretty unfortunate... :rolleyes how much eurosport could have made on this

45 people * 275per kit =12375 dollars

hopefully they will sell 10 this year and make 3740 dollars

and then see this thread :redspot by then it will be too late

i have an idea.

we can all get the M50 manifolds alone, right? how about a few of us get together and come to a conclusion on which parts are the best to use to install them on our 3.2s, and then we can try to sell or make kits of our own? if i could find the parts locally, i'd be happy to snap them all up and make it a one stop shop for everyone, as opposed to everybody looking for all the parts they need one by one.

fucking werd


from what the kit looks like, it's just a bunch of machined metal and gaskets. probably about 100 bucks worth of shit.

if it was 200 dollars, it wouldnt be a bad price at all, but 350 plus fuel rail?? seems a little outrageous to me.

That's exactly what I been saying. It's just a chunk of aluminum with a few gaskets and bolts. That's just stupid to spend $350 on that. Eurosport likes to ripoff people, I bet they make atleast $250 profit on each one.

It's not even a performance mod, no hp gained from $350, just an install kit. For $350 I could buy engine software.

That piece is easy to design, could make it out the the same plastic the intake is made out of. I just don't have the materials, I need to search around.

I'm probably just going to install my manifold with the rubber hoses and clamps. Under $20 to install that way.

i can get one at my local bmw shop for $125. maybe i should grab a few, put together a few kits, and sell them for $250 apiece... i'd undercut every company and still make a killing

Do it! you got 45 buyers right now.. :)

ben, any chance for a local discount? :buttrock

That's exactly what I been saying. It's just a chunk of aluminum with a few gaskets and bolts. That's just stupid to spend $350 on that. Eurosport likes to ripoff people, I bet they make atleast $250 profit on each one.

That piece is easy to design, could make it out the the same plastic the intake is made out of. I just don't have the materials, I need to search around.

I'm probably just going to install my manifold with the rubber hoses and clamps. Under $20 to install that way.

I think every manufacturer has a right to charge what they feel the market will bear according to their own market research. No one else in the market offers a product like this, cheaper or otherwise, so Eurosport will charge what they feel is fair. It may not coincide with what you feel is fair, because you feelEurosport likes to ripoff people
But to look at the issue from the other angle. When a manufacturer develops a product, copycats will abound. It is only a matter of time before someone comes out with a product just like yours. The only way you can prevent this is if you have a product that is so complex that no one wants to copy it, or you're addressing a market so small that it isn't worth it to copy it in bulk.

If there were some intellectual property which was hidden from view, it would be more difficult to copy. However, there isn't much intellectual property in this manifold adapter. I think if you had access to a machining center, or a CNC mill at the very least, the adapter could be duplicated.

Even patents won't help you for the most part, because they cost money to file, take time to get accepted, and generally, cost money to defend. For a small company, this is not worth it.

So the only way to function is to appeal to the buyer's sense of value, and to price the product accordingly. Also, you can't please everybody, there's always going to be someone who feels your product is too expensive. Hopefully the pricing is good enough to both satisfy your customers and also to keep your business afloat (i.e. pay yourself, reinvest in R&D for other products, keep the lights on, etc.).

While we appreciate the interest in our manifold adapter kit, we cannot offer a reduced price based on a high quantity order. Whether it be for 10 kits or 500 does not matter.

Robert, by all means, make your own. Apparently, you must have the skills (Napolean Dynamite), tooling, facility, and manpower required to design such a piece. Unless by "easy to design" you really mean easy to copy.

One with the knowledge and tools/machines required to make such an adapter would realize that a piece like this is NOT an easy as 123, add water and stir design. The mill setup and adapter fitment can take more time than you think. Also, just the proper mold alone used to make this adapter out of ABS, urethane, or any other plastic would be more than 99% of individuals would be willing to spend.

LeMans, if we only sold 10 kits/year we would be foolish to not support this group buy. Unfortunately your blind guess is completely off.

Loud_TIGER, what would make your kits any different from the DIY guides out there? Why would somebody buy yours if they can buy the exact same parts for the same $20-40 you spent?

I can understand the disappointment guys but bashing the kit and getting mad because we won't give you a significant discount seems a little childish.

While we appreciate the interest in our manifold adapter kit, we cannot offer a reduced price based on a high quantity order. Whether it be for 10 kits or 500 does not matter.

Robert, by all means, make your own. Apparently, you must have the skills (Napolean Dynamite), tooling, facility, and manpower required to design such a piece. Unless by "easy to design" you really mean easy to copy.

One with the knowledge and tools/machines required to make such an adapter would realize that a piece like this is NOT an easy as 123, add water and stir design. The mill setup and adapter fitment can take more time than you think. Also, just the proper mold alone used to make this adapter out of ABS, urethane, or any other plastic would be more than 99% of individuals would be willing to spend.

LeMans, if we only sold 10 kits/year we would be foolish to not support this group buy. Unfortunately your blind guess is completely off.

Loud_TIGER, what would make your kits any different from the DIY guides out there? Why would somebody buy yours if they can buy the exact same parts for the same $20-40 you spent?

I can understand the disappointment guys but bashing the kit and getting mad because we won't give you a significant discount seems a little childish.

what i dont understand is that people install the m50 withouth the kit. they just go through a little more trouble and say they have to fabricate a few parts here and there, plug a few holes up, etc.

what would be the difference between an m50 manifold installed with your kit and an m50 installed sans kit?

what i dont understand is that people install the m50 withouth the kit. they just go through a little more trouble and say they have to fabricate a few parts here and there, plug a few holes up, etc.

what would be the difference between an m50 manifold installed with your kit and an m50 installed sans kit?
Fit and finish, ease of use (we've put the kit together, designed the adapter and written up the instructions), telephone/email product support, and the pure convenience of a premade kit.

Everybody is different. Some will put together their own kits, some will buy premade kits. We make a quality kit for those that don't want to do it the "home-made" way. It looks factory and performs like factory.

It's up to you to choose which way you would like to go. If you don't want to purchase our kit, don't. It certainly is not the only means of installing an M50 intake manifold.

Guys. Its made of CNC machine Billit alumium. Good Billit is not cheap and a machine capible of cutting that Costs in the excess of $350k even if they dont own the machine the labor per hour a machine shop charges is over 100 an hour.

For Custom Wheel that are CNC machine the Face plate for the wheel is about 600 bucks. True must of the alumium ends on on a collection bin and is resold but god damn

euro4life,

you guys operate in a monopoly, sooner or later there will be the same kit for cheaper, and you will end up lowering your prices as there are less people who either can afford this kit or that already do not have a kit on their car...its a matter of time

euro4life,

you guys operate in a monopoly, sooner or later there will be the same kit for cheaper, and you will end up lowering your prices as there are less people who either can afford this kit or that already do not have a kit on their car...its a matter of time
Unfortunately that is part of bringing anything to market. Until then we will sell our kit for a price WE think is fair for the time and effort we have invested.

When we are forced to drop our prices in order to be competitive we will do so. As the prices drop we may find it not worth making the adapter kit anymore. We are afterall in business. We must have a return large enough to pay for support and build time as well as actual material costs.

As a tuner, it's hard to be in our position. On one side we need to run our business. On the other side; we are enthusiasts ourselves, we won't pay exhorbitant prices for performance product either. We are IN this business because we enjoy bringing cool parts to the market. If we could give them away and still make a living we would. Guess what, we can't put food on the table (let alone have fun with our own cars) if we're giving away parts.

Guys. Its made of CNC machine Billit alumium. Good Billit is not cheap and a machine capible of cutting that Costs in the excess of $350k even if they dont own the machine the labor per hour a machine shop charges is over 100 an hour.


Yes, billet aluminum is expensive. However, a CNC milling center capable of manufacturing this part is not $350K. Maybe one equipped to machine a 22" aluminum wheel is, but not a part like this. Additionally, it could be made lower cost by sacrificing the appearance. But, if you are a purveyor of what you want to be perceived as the highest quality products, you need to go that extra mile to make things look highly finished.

Eurosport has the only adapter on the market. However, if they face stiff competition, they will have to make their market decision at that time. I don't see anyone stepping up and machining an alternate adapter out of cast pig iron, nor do I see someone shelling out $20,000 for a injection molding tool. Yes, ABS and other engineering polymers may be cheap per pound, and per piece. But you have to swallow a big one for the tool.

Personally, I think $350 is a little gratuitous for a machined adapter for the E36 market. The last E36 rolled of the line roughly 6 years ago. But, I may eventually spring for one myself.

Plus guys you're not just buying the machined piece, you also getting all the other hardware and SUPPORT. If you go to Autozone, pick up a tube of silicone and a roll of duct tape, do you really think they're going to help you track down a massive vacuum leak after you slap your intake on? Just because there's cheaper ways to get similar results doesn't mean it's the right way. There's a ton of knock off CAIs on the market, but lots of folks are still spending more for Eurosport's intakes because they're still the best. With Eurosport's M50 kit you pay a more upfront, but you save a ton of time from running around looking for missing hardware and chasing down vacuum leaks, if you need help they're a phone call away too. There really is more to it than just the cost of raw aluminum.

Plus guys you're not just buying the machined piece, you also getting all the other hardware and SUPPORT. If you go to Autozone, pick up a tube of silicone and a roll of duct tape, do you really think they're going to help you track down a massive vacuum leak after you slap your intake on? Just because there's cheaper ways to get similar results doesn't mean it's the right way. There's a ton of knock off CAIs on the market, but lots of folks are still spending more for Eurosport's intakes because they're still the best. With Eurosport's M50 kit you pay a more upfront, but you save a ton of time from running around looking for missing hardware and chasing down vacuum leaks, if you need help they're a phone call away too. There really is more to it than just the cost of raw aluminum.


yeah i'm not saying eurosport's kit is bad, i'm just suggesting an alternative route for people to go. i know what its like to pay extra for quality, and sometimes its really worth it. i figured most of the people in this thread were looking for the LOWEST price possible instead of valuing what eurosport provides, so maybe this isn't an option for most of us here. heck, if i had the money, i'd go with eurosport's kit too.

what i was proposing earlier was basically just a bag of parts and maybe some instructions that we could come up with for people who were willing to trade some ease of installation and piece of mind for price. you're right, many people would still go out and buy the parts themselves and print out one of the numerous DIYs available online, but i know i'd prefer it if it was simply offered in a package, maybe with the manifold itself. this would facilitate the needs of many people, i think, who would be able to get all the correct parts at once instead of hunting through many parts stores and/or possibly purchasing the wrong parts.

anyway, i didn't mean anyone harm or foul, and again i'd like to thank Chris for being the vendor trying to take the lead here and LeMansGTS for attempting to setup the group buy. it didn't work out, no biggie, we'll just find some alternative ways : )

Robert, by all means, make your own. Apparently, you must have the skills (Napolean Dynamite), tooling, facility, and manpower required to design such a piece. Unless by "easy to design" you really mean easy to copy.


Doubt my skills, eh?
I'll show you! I'm gonna get out my dremel tool and a chunk of aluminum! :cool :)

I didn't plan on copying, I don't even have one to make a copy. I was just thinking about making metal tubing, something similar to the home depot method. The crap will bolt together with O-rings tightly to prevent leaks, etc.
Most importantly a compact tight design so crap isn't hanging all over the place under the manifold. I don't know exactly what I'm going to do yet, this is just some ideas. It sure won't be a copy and I'm not talking about selling these things, just for my own car. Once I get done I'll post the design and others can make their own, etc.. :)

so this kit comes with an adapter for the obdII throttle body. if i were to upgrade the TB later on, would it be better to get an OBDII big bore throttle body or an OBDI?

or would the OBDI not even work with the obd II car?

so this kit comes with an adapter for the obdII throttle body.
Yes it does. The OBD-1 throttle bodies have completely different sensors, cabling and plumbing. You'd be best off sticking with an OBD-2 unit to avoid a lot of additional hassle.