repaint portions of the car that have a lot of chips, e.g., front bumper, hood, or cover the stuff up with vinyl decals/design?

well.. you know my answer on the Wrangler. :D

I say keep your PY and sell off the SMG, to buy something like a 540 etc... You would be taking a loss on the sale of the PY, so it doesnt make too much sense finacially imo.

You had a JGC, but sold it.. right?

I think the SMG is too nice to take everywhere, and risk it getting dinged up, if you didnt have the PY, it would make more sense to keep it, and just get a nice 4-dr for everyday.

I'd say screw it and drive the damned thing.

I'd say screw it and drive the damned thing.

Daily ... the PY with the cage and everything???? I've thought about it. Right now, I DD the Wrangler. In this weather, it's been pretty awesome. Chicks DIG wranglers ... I had a nice korean girl, this morning, cross in front, look and smile at me the whole time ... probably 18 though :(

I could de-stickerfy the car ... thought about doing that as well.

Right now, I DD the Wrangler. So does your SMG just sit there? If you need someone to give it some loving attention, I don't live very far from you.

i would paint them, depending on how good the paint is on the rest of the car

I had a nice korean girl, this morning, cross in front, look and smile at me the whole time ... probably 18 though :(


I fail to see the issue here. :dunno

paint it, im in the process of doing that myself
just need to find some close matching paint

Is this for the M3?

I wouldnt repaint it. Youre just going to get it all chipped up again from the track/street/etc.

Maybe StonGard or similar?

Is this for the M3?

I wouldnt repaint it. Youre just going to get it all chipped up again from the track/street/etc.

Maybe StonGard or similar?


the car has about 500lbs of that already. :confused

James.. why dont you toss the regualr seats back in the PY?

I'd say screw it and drive the damned thing.

:withstupi

Can someone remind me what PY stands for?

Can someone remind me what PY stands for?

Baby puke....or Phoenix Yellow. :stickoutt

depends on the car. bimmer gets a repaint, my neon gets a kick in the fender. :D

James when did you get a car with SMG? You have 2 E46 M3's now?

<------------------Out of the loop

Wtf mate? Last I heard, you were selling the (1) M3 you owned to be "done with cars". :eek: :confused

On topic, covering a problem doesn't make it go away so I'd say do not cover it with decals. I'd say leave it alone, but if you have to do something my vote would be touch up and then clear bra.

depends on the car. bimmer gets a repaint, my neon gets a kick in the fender. :D

thats what i say, a BMW is worth the repaint, my fj40 and jeep looks better with battle scars, my legend just looks the same no matter how dirty and chipped up it is.... so depends what car are you talking about?

thats what i say, a BMW is worth the repaint, my fj40 and jeep looks better with battle scars, my legend just looks the same no matter how dirty and chipped up it is.... so depends what car are you talking about?
It's only worth painting if he puts stock bumpers back on. :p

I hear the siren call of a factory five or super performance. There's a nice white one in NC for $17K ... but, 80K miles .. and I would need to put about $20K into the car, at least. So, why not spend the money and just get an FFR for around $35K (can I get a pretty damn good one at that price jterp??). I'll take that club racing then.

When I say I am done with cars, I mean, probably done with BMW. Nothing really perks my interest in them anymore. They are becoming overweight and overpriced IMO. I want something retro now --- especially after hearing from my father how awesome his new car is :buttrock ... I really did not want to get rid of that 'vette; but, he deserves it.

If a certain JGC becomes available :devillook ... the FFR will become top priority in purchasing ... and, the stable of BMW's will go to zero ...

James, I have a couple thoughts here:

Summary: You're being a complete idiot.

You've just dropped a shitload of money into the E46 so that you can take it racing. The car is now almost completely worthless as a result of the mods you've made, especially combined with the color. You've gone to the effort of getting yourself licensed, go race the damned thing. You're not really going to be competitive no matter what you do in your first season or so. The smart thing would be to go race the car and get yourself oriented. THEN you should decide what you're going to do.

Declaring that your car (the top dog of the class) is too overweight, fat, boring an uninteresting after you've just dumped god knows how much into it is very foolish. More to the point, do you really want to get yourself a faster vehicle when you haven't even come close to the potential of your own yet? That's one of the reasons I bought myself a 323 for eventual racing. Slow down the field, and I have a better chance of catching up sooner. The faster the field is, the more you have to learn. Quickly.

I'll race the M3 for you James if you are scared!

I'll race the M3 for you James if you are scared!
:lol

Nick -

I agree to an extent. First, I am not interested in "racing" like you guys are. I enjoy HPDE's. Second, even IF I was serious about racing, I have no interest in running at the top or doing well. I mean crap, I just found out my car would be in Cmod. So, it's bad enough that Sunir and Montana would kick my a$$ in HP; but, the Cmod guys would seriously stomp me. But, see, I don't mind coming in last. So, competitive-wise, don't really care. That's why in HPDE's, I like to run in the intermediate group rather than advanced. I just don't care to much about how fast I am going. That's just me though.

I put money into the E46 b/c it's fun building it up and see the transformation. I enjoy that more than anything. Hey, A LOT of people like the PY color :stickoutt ... No, you misinterpreted my statements. I am saying BMW's in general are overweight and overpriced. You would have to be a fool to look at only BMW's considering RX-8's, STi, Evo's, SRT-4's, Z06's, C5's, etc. Not saying my car is overweight ... I really don't care; but, I don't see myself spending $80K for a 645ci or $90K for an M5, if I can get a Z06/elise for $45K, a JGC for $16K, and a decent, luxurious 4 door sedan for $20K. The entire BMW lineup, right now, is overpriced IMO.

The reason why I want a FFR -- pure and simple. I was watching bad boy's and decided -- that car looks cool. That's it. I think it looks cool and would be way fun to drive into work during nice days. That's why I want one. No other logical reason.

I think I approach things differently from you guys. You guys are more serious about "racing" or "autocrossing." I just have fun with it ... I don't need to throw $5K into the suspension ... That's why I like having Pete as a co-driver. He has the same mentality as me. Yes, I throw a lot of money into the car, probably more than the car is actually worth -- but, for me, I don't care ... I'm not doing it to make it competitive -- I do it for fun to see it evolve ... Once I am tired of seeing it evolve, usually I get rid of it b/c it's no more fun seeing it change.

So what puts it in C Mod? Those bumpers, or something fundamental?

And if you're out there to come in last, don't race. Seriously. That just makes you a hazard, messes with the faster drivers, and causes everyone problems.

If you like the build up process more (or at least as much) as the driving, why don't you buy a kit car and start from scratch? Or do you mean to start with a Factory Five kit and do much of the work yourself?

One thing I've been toying around with is a "locost" from Champion Motorcars (http://www.championmotorcars.com/). Put a turbo'd miata engine in and you'd have a 1400 lb car (with driver and gas) putting well over 200 hp to the wheels. THAT would be a fun drive to work on a morning like today.

There are other fun higher-end Lotus 7 knockoffs that could be a lot of fun to build too, but their names escape me at the moment.

James, if you're interested in seeing a 540/6 evolve you can evolve mine, then when you're done making it evolve you don't have to worry about selling a car.

What happened to the e39 M5 track car idea?

So what puts it in C Mod? Those bumpers, or something fundamental?

And if you're out there to come in last, don't race. Seriously. That just makes you a hazard, messes with the faster drivers, and causes everyone problems.

Cmod = front bumper and UDP's. UDP's is easily fixed, bumper is a bit harder to find.

See, and people's attitudes like yours turns me off from cars and autocrossing. If I am not out there to turn the "fastest" lap time, why should I not be out there? Oh yeah, b/c I am a hazard b/c speed-wise, I am slower. Does it make you feel better that I've turned 1:30's on SO3's w/axxis ultimates at summit point when I've decided to see what I can really do?

What kind of fcukin' moronic statement is that Nick. Just b/c I choose not to go fast does not mean I should not go out there. If you are "racing" -- it's your fcukin job to get around me -- not my job to get out of your way if you are that much faster. It's fcukin' B.S. This attitude I see at HPDE's as well. Someone passes you and they think they are a "better" driver b/c they are "faster" speed-wise.

Just b/c I pass someone at an HPDE, doesn't mean I think I am a better or faster driver than them. They might not want to drive as fast or as reckless as you do. What is wrong with wanting to do club racing just for fun, regardless of where you place or how competitive one is. I thought the whole point of club racing is "comraderie" and not speed. The first part is why I do it ... if I was not a careful driver or safe driver, I don't think I would have been granted my license.

With your attitude, I would have serious reservations about letting someone like you on the course, no offense. That's just me. It's nice to be competitive; but, there's much more to it than that. I mean, what are you going to tell the KP guys ... that get in your way, go buy a fcukin' faster car b/c they are slow as well? Give me a break ....

James, you sound like you need a '98 Corvette to dump some cash into. I happen to know where a great one is for sale for $23k! :eek:

:D

James, have you noticed that the slower cars in a race spend a lot of time getting out of the way of the faster ones? Your attitude here is one that would make me awfully damned reluctant to get out on the track. You're out there driving for last place, but you don't think you need to let people pass you? :eek: Did it ever occur to you that competitive racing drivers (at least the ones I've talked to) are scared of people like you, because they're forced to do things they don't really want to do in order to get around you without having their chances for the win/championship harmed? If you're just looking for social interaction, racing for last place is an awfully damned expensive way to get it.

As for my "attitude," I wasn't aware that it's incorrect and wrong for someone to regard "racing" as competition. I'll be sure to avoid making that silly, misinformed, and stupid mistake in the future.

Oh yeah, and as for the KP guys... Did it ever dawn on your that I'm planning on racing in KP? Or was that one of those things you never looked up because you seem to be physically incapable of cracking open a rule book or doing research before you spend money?

...If you're just looking for social interaction, racing for last place is an awfully damned expensive way to get it....
I don't want to step on any toes re the pissing match, but James has chosen not to race. Nick, you're the one who said:
The smart thing would be to go race the car and get yourself oriented. THEN you should decide what you're going to do.
I don't really know what the point of this discussion is. You both seem to agree that James shouldn't race. :dunno

Personally, if I had that car I would race. I like working on cars, but it's competition that really fires me up - and sometimes you don't even know that until you get out and really try to compete. If you've got the car and the license, I'd say to try a few races and see what you think.

I don't want to step on any toes re the pissing match, but James has chosen not to race. Nick, you're the one who said:

I don't really know what the point of this discussion is. You both seem to agree that James shouldn't race. :dunno

Personally, if I had that car I would race. I like working on cars, but it's competition that really fires me up - and sometimes you don't even know that until you get out and really try to compete. If you've got the car and the license, I'd say to try a few races and see what you think.
No, James wants to go get himself a much more difficult to drive car and take that racing. I only said he shouldn't race if he has no intention of competing.

I hear the siren call of a factory five or super performance. There's a nice white one in NC for $17K ... but, 80K miles .. and I would need to put about $20K into the car, at least. So, why not spend the money and just get an FFR for around $35K (can I get a pretty damn good one at that price jterp??). I'll take that club racing then.

When I say I am done with cars, I mean, probably done with BMW. Nothing really perks my interest in them anymore. They are becoming overweight and overpriced IMO. I want something retro now --- especially after hearing from my father how awesome his new car is :buttrock ... I really did not want to get rid of that 'vette; but, he deserves it.

If a certain JGC becomes available :devillook ... the FFR will become top priority in purchasing ... and, the stable of BMW's will go to zero ...



James are you sure you want to say this? You know I get PM happy when you mention buying a FFR. :stickoutt

If you are serious this time, we need to talk before you make your move. I made a few mistakes along the way that could have been easily avoided. There are lots of nice FFR's down here in NC (a few REALLY nice ones for sale). This pic is of the local FFR club at lowes motor speedway last weekend for the charlotte auto fair.

http://www.multier.com/picposter/jterp/100_0357.jpg

Holla at me.

My thoughts always were that if James was unsure of CR in general, a cheaper way to go was to buy a CR car and try it - if it didn't work out, sell the car.

Man, jterp, now I want a FF!

James, have you noticed that the slower cars in a race spend a lot of time getting out of the way of the faster ones? Your attitude here is one that would make me awfully damned reluctant to get out on the track. You're out there driving for last place, but you don't think you need to let people pass you? :eek: Did it ever occur to you that competitive racing drivers (at least the ones I've talked to) are scared of people like you, because they're forced to do things they don't really want to do in order to get around you without having their chances for the win/championship harmed? If you're just looking for social interaction, racing for last place is an awfully damned expensive way to get it.

As for my "attitude," I wasn't aware that it's incorrect and wrong for someone to regard "racing" as competition. I'll be sure to avoid making that silly, misinformed, and stupid mistake in the future.

Oh yeah, and as for the KP guys... Did it ever dawn on your that I'm planning on racing in KP? Or was that one of those things you never looked up because you seem to be physically incapable of cracking open a rule book or doing research before you spend money?

HEAVILY-edited since I want to be nice ...

I know you plan on running in KP, we had this conversation face to face at my place, remember? I was merely using it as an analogy b/w a Cmod car (mine) vs. a KP car (yours) on the track at the same time. I should be able to, given equal skills, blow your doors off. But, I would never be obnoxious or arrogant enough to tell you, since you would be much slower than me, that you should not be on the track.

Second, as far as me being incapable of opening a rule book or doing research. Touche. Give me a break. I ASKED MANY TIMES club racers, Kearney's, etc... around this region what class my car would be in. They told me HP. So, I believed them. I had questions about things and I was not sure, so I trusted what other people said to me since they have been "racing" before and I have not. If you are insinuating about ASP for autocross, double-touche. I never purported that the car was even remotely in ASP trim.

Third, WTF nick. I am not saying I am going out there to "drive miss daisy" and masturbate on the steering wheel to get my jollies and rocks off being on a racetrack. All I was saying is that I am not out there to win a championship or place in the top 3. Does that mean I am going to go out there doing 50 mph slower than other people ... of course not. I am not driving for last place. I will go out and do the best I can, to which I feel comfortable with. I've had this conversation with Sunir, Glenn, and Marshall about this. I did not know whether I should do it b/c I told them, I have no desire to come in first place. I want to do it b/c of the comraderie and fun.

They encouraged me saying that's a great attitude to have and would welcome a fellow CR like that. You are telling me that I have the wrong attitude now. This is not something I just decided on a whim. I talked to a lot of people about it, since I was worried maybe I would not take it serious enough compared to someone else. Sunir felt I was a very fast and safe driver. I just choose NOT to drive that fast a lot of the times, or, as fast as I could.

Yes, Jesse and you have passed me at the track -- but, I GUARANTEE you ... that does not mean you are necessarily faster than me per se ... I am out there doing my own thing and learning myself. Sometimes, I want to practice a different line, sometimes, I want to practice H&T, etc. I pick up the pace when it's fun to play with say, someone like Austin .. when him and I were chasing each other for fun (since both of us were on street tires).

If I see a faster car coming, does that mean I will block them and not try and get out of there way. No. But, it is the "passing" car's duty to go off-line and get around. The car that is being passed, should try and be courteous; yes, I totally agree ... but, I do not have to change my line just to allow you to get by me. That's your job.

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Man, jterp, now I want a FF!


:)

More pics from the auto fair here:
http://www.multier.com/spgm/index.php?spgmGal=jterp

Personally, if I had that car I would race. I like working on cars, but it's competition that really fires me up - and sometimes you don't even know that until you get out and really try to compete. If you've got the car and the license, I'd say to try a few races and see what you think.

I agree.

Sure, part of the fun is the process of building the car. To me, however, the whole point of building a racecar is to race it. It seems like such a waste of time and money to go this far and not even race once. The car's race-legal, you're licensed, you have the safety equipment...try it before you hang up the gloves.

If you're concerned about the fully-built Mod cars, then go play with the ITE cars...the ones here aren't fully-built, IIRC. Or, remove a few parts on the M3, reinstall the interior and go T2 racing (basically Showroom Stock). Best option, I think.

I think that if you really knew what you wanted to do, it would eliminate this "what's next" syndrome. No offense intended, IMHO, my $0.02 worth...all that crappy disclaimer stuff. I just hope that you figure out exactly what makes you happy!

If you want to declare it arrogance, that's perfectly fine with me. I'm not even going to dignify your driving skills challenge with a response.

Just a thought James: Have you ever thought that maybe you shouldn't be such a drama queen attention whore? Pretty regularly, someone says something you don't like, and you just blow up at them. I'd consider learning some self-control. Most everyone I've talked to thinks your little tiffs are absurdly amusing. I made a suggestion that you didn't like. Learn to get over these things, it'll stand you in good stead throughout your life.

One last thing, James:

Are you buying my suspension, or not? I sent you an e-mail back when you first listed the M3 for sale, and you haven't responded. If you're not, then we need to settle accounts with each other. You owe me for the RTABs I ordered for your car, and I owe you for the roll bar plus shipping. If you're not buying the suspension, then I don't want to have to think about outstanding debt.

One last thing, James:

Are you buying my suspension, or not? I sent you an e-mail back when you first listed the M3 for sale, and you haven't responded. If you're not, then we need to settle accounts with each other. You owe me for the RTABs I ordered for your car, and I owe you for the roll bar plus shipping. If you're not buying the suspension, then I don't want to have to think about outstanding debt.

I responded to that email a long time ago. If you do not wish to sell it to me, let me know now please.

WE can continue this discussion face to face. I would rather you say these comments to my face. I will confront Bren, Alex, Jason, and all others I know and ask them directly face to face about their feelings as well. So, I am not singling you out.

I responded to that email a long time ago. If you do not wish to sell it to me, let me know now please.

WE can continue this discussion face to face. I would rather you say these comments to my face. I will confront Bren, Alex, Jason, and all others I know and ask them directly face to face about their feelings as well. So, I am not singling you out.
If you did, I didn't get the response.

I just wanted to know if you're buying it or not.

And again, James, your response here underscores the fundamental problem:
Confrontation. Has it ever occurred to you that I never tried to confront you? I said something you didn't like, and you got EXTREMELY pissed off about it. I could very easily have had a nice, calm, constructive discussion with you. But you blew up. Do that too many times and it's going to cause you real problems.

Something to consider.

Anyone, if there's anything left to say on this subject we can say it offline. There's no need to continue this here.

I will confront Bren, Alex, Jason, and all others I know and ask them directly face to face about their feelings as well. So, I am not singling you out.

:confused

Alex

BTW, James, pics of corvette or ban.

My mind works a lot like James. I see myself in the way he goes about things. I am content with my decisions.

And again, James, your response here underscores the fundamental problem:
Confrontation. Has it ever occurred to you that I never tried to confront you? I said something you didn't like, and you got EXTREMELY pissed off about it.

Summary: You're being a complete idiot.

Pot / Kettle?

Pot / Kettle?

Yeah I noticed that as well :confused

Yeah I noticed that as well :confused
James and I are good.

James and I are good.


anticlimactic. :(.

anticlimactic. :(. yeah I know. Not even a dance off :(

yeah I know. Not even a dance off :(

No one got served. :(

I don't even see any "fcuk" 's.

anticlimactic. :( .
Maybe they're keeping the video to themselves for a reason... :dunno

Maybe they're keeping the video to themselves for a reason... :dunno
Dude, don't bring your sick fantasies into this.

Dude, don't bring your sick fantasies into this.
Uh-oh.

Round II is in the works!

Uh-oh.

Round II is in the works!

The battle of the All-wheel drive Tourings! One night only!! SUNDAY! SUNDAY! SUNDAY!