After having driven my beat up '96 F150 gas guzzlin' pickup as my primary street vehicle since March '03...I've decided it's time to get back into a street BMW if I could and a good opportunity to do just that has recently appeared :)

As it turns out my brother is getting a new 5er, and I will likely buy his old 323i 4dr e46 car from him, the car is in great shape and is a 5spd manual, it is completely stock, well maintained with all documentation etc...and the price is affordable for me at this point since the car is an '01 or '02, plus it's got low miles (just under 40k)...

This would be my street car, I would like to also do some autoxes with it locally and not go into modding it...this car will not see a race track, it will be a daily driver...and as such I just want to leave it be and drive it. If, and a very big if, I decide to do anything with this it will be just getting a set of wheels/tires and a suspension upgrade (H&R and bilstiens or something like that), that's all.

an added benefit to this car is that it is a sedan, it's also a 323 which is ideal if I ever wanted to go ITS racing :devillook ...lol ;) :D

............. since the car is an '01 or '02, plus it's got low miles (just under 40k)...

You all make fun of me for not driving my 325ci often and I still have more miles on my car than your brother....and my car has never seen a Winter all 4 years I have owned it. :rolleyes

:stickoutt

Sunir, are you still living in Va. and commuting to MD??

After having driven my beat up '96 F150 gas guzzlin' pickup as my primary street vehicle since March '03...I've decided it's time to get back into a street BMW if I could and a good opportunity to do just that has recently appeared :)

As it turns out my brother is getting a new 5er, and I will likely buy his old 323i 4dr e46 car from him, the car is in great shape and is a 5spd manual, it is completely stock, well maintained with all documentation etc...and the price is affordable for me at this point since the car is an '01 or '02, plus it's got low miles (just under 40k)...

This would be my street car, I would like to also do some autoxes with it locally and not go into modding it...this car will not see a race track, it will be a daily driver...and as such I just want to leave it be and drive it. If, and a very big if, I decide to do anything with this it will be just getting a set of wheels/tires and a suspension upgrade (H&R and bilstiens or something like that), that's all.

an added benefit to this car is that it is a sedan, it's also a 323 which is ideal if I ever wanted to go ITS racing :devillook ...lol ;) :D
Heh. Would be fun to rub fenders with you, Sunir. :)

Heh. Would be fun to rub fenders with you, Sunir. :)

[insert ghey joke here]

You all make fun of me for not driving my 325ci often and I still have more miles on my car than your brother....and my car has never seen a Winter all 4 years I have owned it. :rolleyes

:stickoutt

Sunir, are you still living in Va. and commuting to MD??

I kept my condo in VA but presently live in MD.

yeah my bro's 323i seems like a good car for a daily driver...it gets good mileage, never been hit, is a stick, has all the basic amenities, and is in great shape with low miles and the price is very affordable.

hmmm...now I'm thinkin' of what wheels to get for this car...lol! gonna need some new tires to mount up for autox also :devillook

Good luck on it.

Auto-x :rolleyes Meh.

Auto-x will stress the car more than a nice EZ-Tracking. I believe that EZ-Tracking a MARB extends the life of the vehicle by properly "seasoning" it. :D

EZ-Track the car like me. :stickoutt

gonna need some new tires to mount up for autox also :devillook


http://www.hoosiertire.com/

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Auto-x :rolleyes Meh.

Auto-x will stress the car more than a nice EZ-Tracking. I believe that EZ-Tracking a MARB extends the life of the vehicle by properly "seasoning" it. :D

EZ-Track the car like me. :stickoutt

OT (but kinda related to your comment): Brake rotors on a street car-turned-racecar always seemed to last longer compared to new rotors that have never seen any street duty. I always thought that this had to do with the street car's rotors having been seasoned properly before seeing the extreme temps on track.

Sunir I have a set of hoosiers with some tread left on them if you're interested. They would be great for street/auto-x use.

So when did you get your liscense back in VA, I remember you bought the F150 like 2-3 years ago because you needed to be undercover when entering VA haha.

Sunir I have a set of hoosiers with some tread left on them if you're interested. They would be great for street/auto-x use.

:rofl

I'm probably gonna try Kumho 710's on a set of 18's if anything...most of all the car is just for daily driving so I'm not really worried about performance...right know it's got all seasons on stock rims....

Garrett, I dunno if I'd track this car, I just dont see the point...but then again who knows...I'd like to keep it away from the track, but then again addictions are tough to stop ;) :(

the reason why I was gonna try some autox in it is that autox is cheap, can be fun, and hell it's something I haven't done in such a long time...it'd be nice to hang out with 'ole friends and try it again...

besides for racing, I would use the LTW, for a DE I could see perhaps maybe using the 323i ... :dunno

If you find some 245/35-18 V710s anytime soon, let us know...er, um, rather, let me know privately. :devillook

I'm probably gonna try Kumho 710's on a set of 18's if anything...most of all the car is just for daily driving so I'm not really worried about performance...right know it's got all seasons on stock rims....


the A3SO4's are 40% off, besides, for that car, some victo's would be plenty sticky.

BMW CCA autox would be good in that car... just dont do any mods, otherwise you will get bumped into a class where the car will not be competitive.

the A3SO4's are 40% off, besides, for that car, some victo's would be plenty sticky.

BMW CCA autox would be good in that car... just dont do any mods, otherwise you will get bumped into a class where the car will not be competitive.

what class would I be in? where can I get A3So4's? what sizes would be optimal in the 323i? the car is bone stock, fenders and all are not rolled...

Just leave the car as it is and drive it. :mad :rolleyes

:)

Are you feeling ok?

Sunir, you should just run the stock wheels and a set of MX's. Also, keep the stock springs but get a set of Bilstein shocks. (Cannot be adjustable). You could run Showroom class and have a top prep'd car. Any other mods would put you directly against Johnny 5.

Sunir, you should just run the stock wheels and a set of MX's. Also, keep the stock springs but get a set of Bilstein shocks. (Cannot be adjustable). You could run Showroom class and have a top prep'd car. Any other mods would put you directly against Johnny 5.
:confused Johnny 5 runs Prepared Super Sport. I haven't been paying attention... Is he switching classes this season? A (non-showroom) 323i would be in Prepared Sport.

---Eric

:confused Johnny 5 runs Prepared Super Sport. I haven't been paying attention... Is he switching classes this season? A (non-showroom) 323i would be in Prepared Sport.

---Eric
I'm still in PSS this year.

edit, nm. I just want someone to fully prep their car to SHOWROOM rules..

looks like doby's got the right idea...perhaps it's best to run the car in showroom autox...that way i could have fun with it and not have to worry about modding it...and it could be a good daily driver at the same time :)

jon, bilstiens sound like the right choice, could I get a set of sport springs? just want to lower the car a little bit if I can...I'll more than likely get a set of 18's for the street with some toyo street tires...then have my stock wheels w/ MX's or something for the autox...sound ok :dunno

No springs allowed. Stock wheel sizes. Only non-adjustable aftermarket struts. No Rcomps.

V710s will (conservatively) last 2-3 times longer than A3S04s. 40% off isn't a very good value for a slower tire that's also a lot harder to drive.

V710s will (conservatively) last 2-3 times longer than A3S04s. 40% off isn't a very good value for a slower tire that's also a lot harder to drive.

If he gets R-comps, I dont see them being of much use if they make it to next season. Besdies, it's doubful he would be driving a car to the point of realizing the full potential of the 710's over the Hoosiers.

If he gets R-comps, I dont see them being of much use if they make it to next season. Besdies, it's doubful he would be driving a car to the point of realizing the full potential of the 710's over the Hoosiers.

I'm going to get ASA wheels in 18" as a street setup with suitable street tires...

if ever I want to go on track, I will use a set of Forgelines with Hoosiers from my stash from the race car, or I'll get some RA-1's and mount 'em up on one of the spare sets...

for autox I think doby is right on for showroom stock class, besides all I really want is seat time and enjoyment, looking to have fun and be competitive in a class where it doesn't cost me much...afterall this is a primary daily driver and I am not interested in modding it much at all. I will use stock wheels and stock spec MX tires as Doby pointed out (may have to wait for the existing stock tires, which are in good shape now, to be replaced). Then a set of Bilstien shocks for the car. An exhaust will follow at some point. I will refrain from getting springs for class compliance. That at this point is the plan for the car...very basic, not real involved, just a daily driver and some fun on the side :)

I will likely get a stud kit and put that on so that I can use any setup with the appropriate spacer that I can get from the multiple sets we have from the race car...that way it's easy to swap wheels/tires, and I can take it into work, use it for a DE weekend, or an autox and no worries...

Exhaust will move you from Showroom to Prepared Sport, as far as classes go. (fyi)

The stock tires aren't a problem.. I'm sure you can facilite their replacement. :D

Exhaust will move you from Showroom to Prepared Sport, as far as classes go. (fyi)

The stock tires aren't a problem.. I'm sure you can facilite their replacement. :D

what series is this all...is it SCCA solo II? I like the idea of showroom stock, what types of cars are in the class makes/models etc...

what about classing in the BMW CCA NCC and other local autoxes?

I'd like to do a few small mods but nothing much, just want a nice street car...

Talking about the NCCBMWCCA autox classing rules.

SCCA Stock class allows r-comps on stock size wheels, exhaust, panel air filter, and front sway bar.

Talking about the NCCBMWCCA autox classing rules.

SCCA Stock class allows r-comps on stock size wheels, exhaust, panel air filter, and front sway bar.

dont forget DDE's. :redspot

Talking about the NCCBMWCCA autox classing rules.

SCCA Stock class allows r-comps on stock size wheels, exhaust, panel air filter, and front sway bar.
SCCA allows shocks (with up to two external adjustments) too...

If he gets R-comps, I dont see them being of much use if they make it to next season. Besdies, it's doubful he would be driving a car to the point of realizing the full potential of the 710's over the Hoosiers.
You only say that because a) you haven't seen sunir drive, and b) you have no idea what the differences between the tires are.

And the odds of A3S04s lasting a full season on a stock suspension BMW with no front bar are about zero.

You only say that because a) you haven't seen sunir drive, and b) you have no idea what the differences between the tires are.

And the odds of A3S04s lasting a full season on a stock suspension BMW with no front bar are about zero.

:rolleyes

I'm sorry, since you appear to know everything about Sunir and his driving style, please enlighten me.

a) when was the last time you saw Sunir driving a stock car at an autox? (I'm not downing his skills)

b) when is the last time you saw someone autox V710's on a E46 3 series with stock suspension? (if you accurately want to compare the tires, it would have to be on a stock 3-series.. corrrect?)


p.s. I was merely making a suggestion, but it seems like you want to get in a pissing match over it. :confused

:rolleyes

I'm sorry, since you appear to know everything about Sunir and his driving style, please enlighten me.

a) when was the last time you saw Sunir driving a stock car at an autox? (I'm not downing his skills)

b) when is the last time you saw someone autox V710's on a E46 3 series with stock suspension? (if you accurately want to compare the tires, it would have to be on a stock 3-series.. corrrect?)


p.s. I was merely making a suggestion, but it seems like you want to get in a pissing match over it. :confused
I know how long A3S04s will last on a hard driven car with no camber. From personal experience. I know that people have found that the V710s don't cord after 25 runs, because they don't have an absurdly poorly designed carcass.

And I'm making an assumption on Sunir's autocrossing skills here, but I'm quite confident that with a very little bit of practice, he'd be one hell of a lot faster than most of us. He's got the car control (including left foot braking, something I need to learn if I'm goign to get much faster), the courage to put his foot down, and he looks ahead. Once he figures out how to read an autox course, he'll be quite reasonably quick.

If you want to interpret that as a pissing match, that's fine. I'm just using my own personal experience (with Sunir's driving, A3S04s, V710s, and BMW suspensions), and interpolating in a little bit of knowledge from people who know far more than I'll claim to.

But really, my point is that even at 40% off, there is absolutely no reason why anyone should buy a set of A3S04s. The current options out there make them a huge waste of money.

If you want to insist that my comparison is invalid because I haven't personally driven the V710s on a stock suspensioned BMW, that's your prerogative. That doesn't change the fact that people have successfully corded the Hoosiers in as little as 15 runs (I just threw out a pair with about 25 runs on them), nor does it change the fact that NATIONALLY COMPETITIVE autocrossers have reported no such problem with the V710s.

But really, my point is that even at 40% off, there is absolutely no reason why anyone should buy a set of A3S04s. The current options out there make them a huge waste of money.



The one good reason that comes to mind (for E36 M3 drivers, at least) is that the V710s don't come in a 245/40x17, and the 245/45x17s aren't in stock.

Then again, there aren't any 245/40 04s to be found either... :(

As it turns out my brother is getting a new 5er, and I will likely buy his old 323i 4dr e46 car from him, the car is in great shape and is a 5spd manual, it is completely stock, well maintained with all documentation etc...and the price is affordable for me at this point since the car is an '01 or '02, plus it's got low miles (just under 40k)...

I'm not a BMW guy, but aren't the 323's 99-00 models only?

The one good reason that comes to mind (for E36 M3 drivers, at least) is that the V710s don't come in a 245/40x17, and the 245/45x17s aren't in stock.

Then again, there aren't any 245/40 04s to be found either... :(
Which just proves that you need 18" RimmmmZzzzsssaaa. :p

Which just proves that you need 18" RimmmmZzzzsssaaa. :p

17"s are expensive enough. Can't justify going with an even more expensive size, specially for regional-level competition.

I know how long A3S04s will last on a hard driven car with no camber. From personal experience. I know that people have found that the V710s don't cord after 25 runs, because they don't have an absurdly poorly designed carcass.

Hoosier said that the S04s should be run with 2.5-3.0 degrees of camber. Because you chose not to do so, you call it an "absurdly poorly designed carcass"? :eek:

That doesn't change the fact that people have successfully corded the Hoosiers in as little as 15 runs

As few as 12 runs, but again, on a car with no camber.

I saw an S05 this weekend on a B Stock E36 M3 that corded after 22 runs, but not at the shoulder. The M3 was running the OEM bar and using way too low pressures.

And I'm making an assumption on Sunir's autocrossing skills here, but I'm quite confident that with a very little bit of practice, he'd be one hell of a lot faster than most of us.
Unknown at this point. Autocrossing requires a unique skill set, one which may not be posessed by even an excellent track competitor. It's something that takes time to develop.

He's got the car control (including left foot braking, something I need to learn if I'm goign to get much faster)
Several current and former national champions would disagree with you on that point.

Unknown at this point. Autocrossing requires a unique skill set, one which may not be posessed by even an excellent track competitor. It's something that takes time to develop.


Several current and former national champions would disagree with you on that point.

I still say that locally, he's got what it takes to be quite decent. I don't see any reason why one can't claim that a guy who can control his car and knows how to look ahead wouldn't be far faster than most of the people on this board who autox. I hope you're not going to claim that Sunir wouldn't be able to tell the difference between the Hoosiers and the Kumhos, though.

As for LFB, what I can tell you is that my driving style would benefit from it. It would let me get a lot more aggressive in areas where I've got significant down time. I'm not claiming that there isn't a lot out there... Rememberign to get the eyes off the Roundel on the hood dropped my times by a second at Ripken this weekend, for example.

I still say that locally, he's got what it takes to be quite decent. I don't see any reason why one can't claim that a guy who can control his car and knows how to look ahead wouldn't be far faster than most of the people on this board who autox. I hope you're not going to claim that Sunir wouldn't be able to tell the difference between the Hoosiers and the Kumhos, though.
:dunno. If only it were as simple as knowing how to control a car and remembering to look ahead. FWIW: The "Prepared" class for SCCA was created with the intention of letting IT racers come and drive their cars at autocrosses with no changes. The experience I have with these guys coming to autocrosses (and a lot of them did when I was starting out in Milwaukee, since IT was very big there) is that they very rarely were any good at it. Most of them seemed to have trouble with being fast but yet smooth with their inputs. They could be fast, but not smooth, or vice versa. I've only seen sunir autocross once, so I can't make a fair judgement on his ability.


As for LFB, what I can tell you is that my driving style would benefit from it. It would let me get a lot more aggressive in areas where I've got significant down time. I'm not claiming that there isn't a lot out there... Rememberign to get the eyes off the Roundel on the hood dropped my times by a second at Ripken this weekend, for example.
There's no reason you can't be agressive in those areas without LFB. :dunno

Some folks are very good at LFB - I never got that great at it, but I did it out of necessity - I had a turbo car.

I think most people would be better off focusing on getting their entrys correct (something I couldn't do for the life of me this past weekend in ATL) and getting on the gas quickly (uh, here too) than LFB.

But I'm certainly no instructor.

But I'm certainly no instructor.

LOL

But I'm certainly no instructor.

Right, but as a facilitator/instructor from last weekend's autocross school, I think most of your comments made sense. The one thing you forgot to mention was that in a slalom, you want to try to keep your speed constant, and get into a rythym with your steering inputs to get around the cones. And, bring sunblock, and reapply often.

Other than that, I think that sums it up. :redspot

quite honestly, I can't say if I will be good at autox or not...I just don't know yet...I will approach the autox the same way as I approach a race, mental visualization, understanding and studying the circuit...then looking far ahead and working on trying to drive effeciently through the course...but in all fairness I will try and learn as much as possible from guys like JV, Doby, Glenn, Eric and others who are fast autoxers in the area...this is their domain and they have a wealth of expereince...

I am doing this purely for fun, and to hang out with friends...my heart is still in w2w racing...that is all I know and what I love. The autox is something to try out and have fun with my street driven daily driver car...

as for LFB. it works on a roadcourse depending on where, how and when it is used...the key is pedal modulation and transition, overall understanding of the dynamics of the car during corners taken at different speeds...I'll have to see how any of what I know as far as track/w2w racing translates to the autox environment...

again, not looking to mod this car much at all...and truthfully I'll probably run street tires on the 323i all the time...don't wanna wory about the last 10th, I've been competitive in everything I do for the most part...for once I'd just like to go hang out with folks and just have a good time without thinking about my car...or doing any work besides setting tire pressures.

I still want to know if it's an 01 or an 02 :P

I still want to know if it's an 01 or an 02 :P

don't know dude...I think it's an '00 or '01 according to my bro.

don't know dude...I think it's an '00 or '01 according to my bro.
323 is '99 or '00 only, otherwise it's a 325.

323 is '99 or '00 only, otherwise it's a 325.

then it's an '00...I know it is not a '99 because my brother bought it new in '00 or '01 and he specifically wanted a new car. In '99 he had an Acura he used as a trade in on the 323i...

cool, enjoy :)

Wait... they didn't make lightweights in '00 or '01 or '02.
:confused.

while we're on the subject of autocrossing, will running rear wheels on the front of my car take me out of the showroom class?

while we're on the subject of autocrossing, will running rear wheels on the front of my car take me out of the showroom class?

like a non-staggered setup?

while we're on the subject of autocrossing, will running rear wheels on the front of my car take me out of the showroom class?

If you run the front wheels out back, no. Stock sizes, not stock locations. ;)

If you run the front wheels out back, no. Stock sizes, not stock locations. ;) but what if I say buy a new set of wheels and they all happen to be the same size as my current rear wheels? Technically I'm not running wheels in sizes that weren't available on my car OEM.

Are the front wheels wider then stock? (not expecting an answer) ;)

Stock sizes, not stock locations. ;) by this logic no, the front wheels won't be larger than stock.

but what if I say buy a new set of wheels and they all happen to be the same size as my current rear wheels? Technically I'm not running wheels in sizes that weren't available on my car OEM.

you could run them in a fashion that they come from the factory. so, if your car has an option for another set of tires, then you could run those.

i guess the rules are a little ambiguous as to wether you could run a non-staggered setup in stock size... like 4 rear wheels.

you could run the rear tires up front, and move the front to the back.(i guess).. but i don't think you want to take traction away from a car that already has a V8 and rwd.

What about removing parts? If I take the rear seat out or remove the exhaust does that take me out of showroom? I'm not adding any aftermarket parts, but the car isn't exactly the way it comes from the factory.

What about removing parts? If I take the rear seat out or remove the exhaust does that take me out of showroom? I'm not adding any aftermarket parts, but the car isn't exactly the way it comes from the factory.

you worry too much.. just get in the car and have fun with it.

removing the exhaust would be a no-no, and the back seats also for showroom. lightening of the car would move you to a prepares class, i guess.

What about removing parts? If I take the rear seat out or remove the exhaust does that take me out of showroom? I'm not adding any aftermarket parts, but the car isn't exactly the way it comes from the factory.


No, you cannot take items out of the car like the rear seats or exhaust and remain in showroom.

The wheels must be of the same size as was available from the factory. If you change wheels, they must be the same size as optional wheels that where available for that model.

Pete

you worry too much.. just get in the car and have fun with it.

removing the exhaust would be a no-no, and the back seats also for showroom. lightening of the car would move you to a prepares class, i guess. so removing the spare tire would also put you out of the showroom class right?

so removing the spare tire would also put you out of the showroom class right?

dunno.. i guess that would be allowed. I don't follow showroom class closely. ;)

but like I said.. with all that motor.. I would not be so quick to remove weight from back there.

but like I said.. with all that motor.. I would not be so quick to remove weight from back there. I'm not really planning on doing any of this except maybe the wheels. Just thinking about all the "what if" situations. I'm also looking for excuses for when I get beat. "But he removed his spare. He shouldn't be running showroom."

while we're on the subject of autocrossing, will running rear wheels on the front of my car take me out of the showroom class?

quit hijacking my thread :mad :mad ...this thread is about the LTW....hrrrmmmm, ummm I mean the 323i :D :stickoutt

the LTW :eek:

I'm not really planning on doing any of this except maybe the wheels. Just thinking about all the "what if" situations. I'm also looking for excuses for when I get beat. "But he removed his spare. He shouldn't be running showroom."
I would say that running rear wheels in the front would not be in the spirit of the rules. But it's really up to your competitors to police it.

The showroom class is supposed to be just that - showroom - while allowing replacement of wear items with items of similar performance.

JV

I would say that running rear wheels in the front would not be in the spirit of the rules. But it's really up to your competitors to police it.

The showroom class is supposed to be just that - showroom - while allowing replacement of wear items with items of similar performance.

JV The main reason for me to go to a non-staggered setup would be so I could rotate tires, not for the performance advantage. Would going from an 8in wide wheel with 235s to a 9in wide wheel with 255s make that much of a difference? (I'm asking a sincere question. I honestly have no idea how much of a difference it will make.) My car is a daily driver that I might take to a few autocrosses, so anything I do to the car would be mainly for the effect it has on the street.

The only autox experience I have was the school last weekend, but it was a lot of fun and I look forward to competing in future autocrosses. I've been thinking about getting a new set of rimzz, the main reasons being 1) aesthetics, 2) so I can put winter tires on my stock rims, and 3) tire rotation. Like most people I like to win, or at least be competitive. But if new rims will take me out of the showroom class I'm afraid I won't even have a chance to be competitive, and I don't really want to spend the money to have a competitive car. Running in the showroom class I'll know that when I run slow times it's because of me and not the car. Does this make sense, or do I have it all wrong?

Would going from an 8in wide wheel with 235s to a 9in wide wheel with 255s make that much of a difference? (I'm asking a sincere question. I honestly have no idea how much of a difference it will make.)

For decent and better drivers, that change would be very significant.

Does this make sense, or do I have it all wrong?
The experienced drivers in your class (are there any?) may not care, but the other guys in your shoes might care - and wonder why they're not allowed to do the same mods. Which is why there are classes...

Yes, it will make a noticable difference.

The main reason for me to go to a non-staggered setup would be so I could rotate tires, not for the performance advantage. Would going from an 8in wide wheel with 235s to a 9in wide wheel with 255s make that much of a difference? (I'm asking a sincere question. I honestly have no idea how much of a difference it will make.) My car is a daily driver that I might take to a few autocrosses, so anything I do to the car would be mainly for the effect it has on the street.

The only autox experience I have was the school last weekend, but it was a lot of fun and I look forward to competing in future autocrosses. I've been thinking about getting a new set of rimzz, the main reasons being 1) aesthetics, 2) so I can put winter tires on my stock rims, and 3) tire rotation. Like most people I like to win, or at least be competitive. But if new rims will take me out of the showroom class I'm afraid I won't even have a chance to be competitive, and I don't really want to spend the money to have a competitive car. Running in the showroom class I'll know that when I run slow times it's because of me and not the car. Does this make sense, or do I have it all wrong?

The showroom rules allow you to vary tire sizes by + or - 10mm so in your question, no you would not be allowed be allowed to go from 235's to 255 and remain in showroom.

And as SoloII///M said, changing wheels and tires as you mentioned would make quite a difference.

Also keep in mind that showroom is predominantly novices so you don't really have to worry about experience level too much.

Pete

Also keep in mind that showroom is predominantly novices so you don't really have to worry about experience level too much. That's the main reason I want to stay in showroom, because I want to run with people of a similar experience level.

That's the main reason I want to stay in showroom, because I want to run with people of a similar experience level.

I'd like to stay showroom also...but the more I think about it the more I realize that with this 323i, I want it to have a few small mods to personalize it the way I want...which may mean putting a simple intake/exhaust on there...rules are prevelent in classes and anytime you have a timed event/competitive in nature...if I were more into it I'd caremore but as far as I know right now, I just wanna go have some fun. I'm gonna use it to autox also but I don't care about neccisarily being competitive with the car...I get my competitive side fulfilled with w2w racing, I will use autox to further develop my skills as a driver and enjoy the car and have fun...sure I'll try my best out there in the autox but not take it too seriously...mainly I want a car that's slightly modded to my liking, something I enjoy drivng on the street as a daily driver, and something to have fun with at autox or a DE if ever I take it there...

I'd like to stay showroom also...but the more I think about it the more I realize that with this 323i, I want it to have a few small mods to personalize it the way I want...
The camaraderie of autocross is nice too, especially the BMW ones.

Maybe Doby will be super nice and let me co-drive his car at the next BMW CCA autocross... :devillook

Maybe Doby will be super nice and let me co-drive his car at the next BMW CCA autocross... :devillook
Me too. Actually to make things fair let's all drive Doby's car :redspot

The camaraderie of autocross is nice too, especially the BMW ones.

Maybe Doby will be super nice and let me co-drive his car at the next BMW CCA autocross... :devillook
I'd like to drive BMWs at the BMW CCA autocrosses...or at least something with pistons just for shits and giggles.

$50 per run.

$50 per run. don't lowball me I'll do it for $75, but only because I'm a nice guy.

don't lowball me I'll do it for $75, but only because I'm a nice guy.
Forget driving silver cars.

Blue cars are the current hotness.

Runs start at $100. Book early, book often.

Forget driving silver cars.

Blue cars are the current hotness.

Runs start at $100. Book early, book often.
Screw it, I'll drive the yellow thing. Clyde, you're more than welcome to co-drive. It has pistons. And they're not triangles.

John