Last night I saw this kid downtown in a clean looking black SRT, so I asked him if he wanted to run. I met all of my friends with their cars in a parking lot downtown. We all got on the freeway and did some fun runs. Most of them were 35mph-up. It was around 1am so there was no traffic.

1st race
Me (M Roadster) and 22psi Jetta
We both floor it at the same time. I jump on him as he's waiting for his turbo to spool (he has a VERY big turbo in it). When he's at full boost, nobody pulls, but he's already 1 cl back

2nd race
Me and 24psi SRT-4
Slow down to 35 and on the 3rd honk go. I got smoked. We went up to 80ish and he had 3-5 cl's on me. He had no lag, as he was flooring it and using his brakes before we started to build boost.

3rd race
SRT-4 and Dinan SC'ed e36M3
e36 driver just got the car and it's his first 5 speed car. Not a good driver at all. I didn' see the race, but the 'Neon' won

4th race
Me and VW Twin Screw Corrado
Nothing too special, I lost to a Corrado with a twin screw running 20psi (sounds absolutely awesome). BUT, I was in 3rd, he was in 2nd. I didn't even know we were racing yet, and didn't downshift

5th race
ACTUAL CONVERSATION
i pull up next to civic hatch with big intercooler
ME: how many psi are you running
PUNK KID: however many I want
ME: but whats the most you run
HIM: whatever I feel like
ME: you don't know sh!t about turbo cars, do you...?
HIM: yeah, I know a lot
ME: oh, what compression are you running?
HIM: :pauses for a second: 40

I knew he didn't have the slightest clue, so I ran him. I had 2-3 cl's 0-35mph

ME: yeah, your car is turbo, but it's f#cking slow!
HIM: turns off first sidestreet

Let me just say that's an impressive little list of racers. I'd be pleased to own any of those cars lol.

Out of curiosity, what did you feel with your car after getting your rotors drilled??

ive seen ricer kids here that front mount intercoolers hooked up too to their intake...


ghey ...


freepaly what gear did start in when you ran the Srt4 in ???

5th race
ACTUAL CONVERSATION
i pull up next to civic hatch with big intercooler
ME: how many psi are you running
PUNK KID: however many I want
ME: but whats the most you run
HIM: whatever I feel like
ME: you don't know sh!t about turbo cars, do you...?
HIM: yeah, I know a lot
ME: oh, what compression are you running?
HIM: :pauses for a second: 40

I knew he didn't have the slightest clue, so I ran him. I had 2-3 cl's 0-35mph

ME: yeah, your car is turbo, but it's f#cking slow!
HIM: turns off first sidestreet
It would have been better if he would have just been like, i dont know anything about cars, but its soooo fast and will beat you bad!! And than you raced him and beat him like that.

and your last line is awesome!!

Are you turboed or something because no non FI s52 is gonna beat a BIG turbo jetta 1.8t or vr6. nice kill

Are you turboed or something because no non FI s52 is gonna beat a BIG turbo jetta 1.8t or vr6. nice kill

...and I'm sure your 1.8T wouldn't lag with a huge turbo either... :rolleyes

...and I'm sure your 1.8T wouldn't lag with a huge turbo either... :rolleyes
I thought big turbos that give you more top end have a bit more lag than turbos designed to push at low end.


Also that is funny with the civic. Yeah alot of ricers, buy FMIC and put them on when they don't even have FI because it makes them look cool.

Last night I saw this kid downtown in a clean looking black SRT, so I asked him if he wanted to run. I met all of my friends with their cars in a parking lot downtown. We all got on the freeway and did some fun runs. Most of them were 35mph-up. It was around 1am so there was no traffic.

1st race
Me (M Roadster) and 22psi Jetta
We both floor it at the same time. I jump on him as he's waiting for his turbo to spool (he has a VERY big turbo in it). When he's at full boost, nobody pulls, but he's already 1 cl back

2nd race
Me and 24psi SRT-4
Slow down to 35 and on the 3rd honk go. I got smoked. We went up to 80ish and he had 3-5 cl's on me. He had no lag, as he was flooring it and using his brakes before we started to build boost.

3rd race
SRT-4 and Dinan SC'ed e36M3
e36 driver just got the car and it's his first 5 speed car. Not a good driver at all. I didn' see the race, but the 'Neon' won

4th race
Me and VW Twin Screw Corrado
Nothing too special, I lost to a Corrado with a twin screw running 20psi (sounds absolutely awesome). BUT, I was in 3rd, he was in 2nd. I didn't even know we were racing yet, and didn't downshift

5th race
ACTUAL CONVERSATION
i pull up next to civic hatch with big intercooler
ME: how many psi are you running
PUNK KID: however many I want
ME: but whats the most you run
HIM: whatever I feel like
ME: you don't know sh!t about turbo cars, do you...?
HIM: yeah, I know a lot
ME: oh, what compression are you running?
HIM: :pauses for a second: 40

I knew he didn't have the slightest clue, so I ran him. I had 2-3 cl's 0-35mph

ME: yeah, your car is turbo, but it's f#cking slow!
HIM: turns off first sidestreet

Was that Anthony's SRT? If it is, that car is no joke. He ran 12.0@118

...and I'm sure your 1.8T wouldn't lag with a huge turbo either... :rolleyes

umm big turbos for a 1.8t are the t28 series, and gt30,gt35, and t3's are the biggest they go, and most go with the gt28rs which is at full boost at 3800rpm, so sorry there is not as much lag as you were hoping

So in your words, even if the jetta has a large turbo he still loses, cool!! I think the lag excuse made it look better though.

So in your words, even if the jetta has a large turbo he still loses, cool!! I think the lag excuse made it look better though.


Read the whole thread before you post

I did

Cliffnotes as the original poster puts it: Jetta with large turbo is even except for car length gained while jetta was waiting for turbo to spool=Even race except for said lag

Cliffnotes as you seem to believe it to be: Roadster pulls a car on a jetta with a large turbo. The jetta has very little lag so the roadster is just faster.

Are you turboed or something because no non FI s52 is gonna beat a BIG turbo jetta 1.8t or vr6. nice kill


this is what i'm talking about and then someone said a 1.8t with a big turbo will have lag, and i said that the big turbo is at full boost at 3800rpm.

If i remember s52 puts down about 210 to the wheels and ful boltons shouldt be more than 250 to the wheels unless it is heavily moded. A 1.8t with a gt28rs with the worst tuning ever will be putting 250whp, so thats why i was wondering if the mroadster was FI or not.

no the roadster wasnt turbo, roadsters are lighter, and more aerodynamic than M3's. Plus 210whp in an MRoadster will most likely beat a jetta with 250whp....

how do you calculate that?

no the roadster wasnt turbo, roadsters are lighter, and more aerodynamic than M3's. Plus 210whp in an MRoadster will most likely beat a jetta with 250whp....
i know coupes are more aerodynamic than m3s, but are the rodsters? I mean they are verts.

how do you calculate that?

Get a 250whp jetta and a 210whp roadster, id put money on the roadster. Why can I beat an lt1 camaro when it has more power? I dont know, but i can.

i know coupes are more aerodynamic than m3s, but are the rodsters? I mean they are verts.
I think it is a little more aero. than the m3, but the weight is a nice factor for it. I dunno, but the roadster is faster than an m3 from what i gather.

Get a 250whp jetta and a 210whp roadster, id put money on the roadster. Why can I beat an lt1 camaro when it has more power? I dont know, but i can.


I think it is a little more aero. than the m3, but the weight is a nice factor for it. I dunno, but the roadster is faster than an m3 from what i gather.
oh yeah, I know it's quicker. IK was thinking that was solely based on it's weight. I have no clue what they're aero ratings are, but I assumed that the roady wasn't as good, mainly because it is a roady, and most verts aren't great. But mayb e ahard top helps alot. I dunno.

I think the front end is the big thing with it, the vert does hurt it i would think, but the front end looks like it would be better aero wise.

Last night I saw this kid downtown in a clean looking black SRT, so I asked him if he wanted to run. I met all of my friends with their cars in a parking lot downtown. We all got on the freeway and did some fun runs. Most of them were 35mph-up. It was around 1am so there was no traffic.

1st race
Me (M Roadster) and 22psi Jetta
We both floor it at the same time. I jump on him as he's waiting for his turbo to spool (he has a VERY big turbo in it). When he's at full boost, nobody pulls, but he's already 1 cl back

2nd race
Me and 24psi SRT-4
Slow down to 35 and on the 3rd honk go. I got smoked. We went up to 80ish and he had 3-5 cl's on me. He had no lag, as he was flooring it and using his brakes before we started to build boost.

3rd race
SRT-4 and Dinan SC'ed e36M3
e36 driver just got the car and it's his first 5 speed car. Not a good driver at all. I didn' see the race, but the 'Neon' won

4th race
Me and VW Twin Screw Corrado
Nothing too special, I lost to a Corrado with a twin screw running 20psi (sounds absolutely awesome). BUT, I was in 3rd, he was in 2nd. I didn't even know we were racing yet, and didn't downshift

5th race
ACTUAL CONVERSATION
i pull up next to civic hatch with big intercooler
ME: how many psi are you running
PUNK KID: however many I want
ME: but whats the most you run
HIM: whatever I feel like
ME: you don't know sh!t about turbo cars, do you...?
HIM: yeah, I know a lot
ME: oh, what compression are you running?
HIM: :pauses for a second: 40

I knew he didn't have the slightest clue, so I ran him. I had 2-3 cl's 0-35mph

ME: yeah, your car is turbo, but it's f#cking slow!
HIM: turns off first sidestreet

Good runs man! Do you know if the SRT-4 was running an upgraded turbo? 24 psi is way out of the efficiency range of the stock TD04 and he is going to burn that baby out quick.

Good runs man! Do you know if the SRT-4 was running an upgraded turbo? 24 psi is way out of the efficiency range of the stock TD04 and he is going to burn that baby out quick.
stock turbo- and yes, he will burn it up quick. no, I am not FI'ed. i don't know for sure if it was lag on that jetta, but I do know it took him a second to get going after he floored it. so, using common sense, i figure that with the bigger turbo he just added, it was lag. i'm not sure if the people on here don't believe me or what.

postmaster- no, it wasn't anthony. it was some kid that goes to capital

I think it would have been lag, or he just got on it late. I believe you that you beat him. Bimmers even though having a lower hp rating seem to put a fight against higher hp cars. Dont know why but they do.

Are you turboed or something because no non FI s52 is gonna beat a BIG turbo jetta 1.8t or vr6. nice kill
i've never ran a vr6, but have driven plenty. all we sell are jettas and passats. they feel like nothing compared to my M. are you talking a modded vr6?

and as far as a 1.8, i can smoke a stock 1.8, so why is it so hard to imagine keeping even with one that is running a larger turbo?

I HATE kill stories for this reason. you can be like, yeah, i just beat a civic in my z06 and someone is always going to come in and be like.... 'no man, there is no possible way'

i've never ran a vr6, but have driven plenty. all we sell are jettas and passats. they feel like nothing compared to my M. are you talking a modded vr6?

and as far as a 1.8, i can smoke a stock 1.8, so why is it so hard to imagine keeping even with one that is running a larger turbo?

I HATE kill stories for this reason. you can be like, yeah, i just beat a civic in my z06 and someone is always going to come in and be like.... 'no man, there is no possible way'

I believe you, and i was talking about a turbo vr6 not a stock one. The difference between a stock jetta to a big turbo jetta is alot more drastic then say a stock srt-4 to a big turbo srt-4. Stock jetta has a k03 which if i remember is the smallest turbo currently used by any manufacturer and it is only runing about 7-8 psi, thats why they are slow, but when you put a 22psi gt28rs they are fast.

he didnt say a gt28 did he? Big could just be a k04 or something, just bigger than stock. But i saw a mk4 1.8t gulf with upgraded turbo, intercooler, and all kinds of stuff in european car magazine running 14.0's

He said he put 40k in the car, and me and my cousin couldnt help but laughing, 40k and you run 14's? Even if its not a drag car, 40k you'd like to think it was a little quicker than that.

I HATE kill stories for this reason. you can be like, yeah, i just beat a civic in my z06 and someone is always going to come in and be like.... 'no man, there is no possible way'

As do I, no one would believe me that I beat an e46 M3 in my e30 M3 in 1-2 gear run. Yet I did, and yes the other driver sucked. Anything can happen on the streets.

i've never ran a vr6, but have driven plenty. all we sell are jettas and passats. they feel like nothing compared to my M. are you talking a modded vr6?

and as far as a 1.8, i can smoke a stock 1.8, so why is it so hard to imagine keeping even with one that is running a larger turbo?

I HATE kill stories for this reason. you can be like, yeah, i just beat a civic in my z06 and someone is always going to come in and be like.... 'no man, there is no possible way'

:rofl So true

Nice ricer encounter...

As do I, no one would believe me that I beat an e46 M3 in my e30 M3 in 1-2 gear run. Yet I did, and yes the other driver sucked. Anything can happen on the streets.
OH MY GOD!!! IT"S THE ANTICHRIST!! YOUR CAR IS FLOATING. Something is amiss here, what kind of demon vehicle can float in thin air like that?

OH SNAP!!! Thats insane y0!!! Ive beaten an e46 m3 at the quarter too, the guy was t3h suck at the driving and he just got the car, but i still beat him

2nd race
Me and 24psi SRT-4
Slow down to 35 and on the 3rd honk go. I got smoked. We went up to 80ish and he had 3-5 cl's on me. He had no lag, as he was flooring it and using his brakes before we started to build boost.

Unless you sat in the car and saw his boost gauge peg 24psi, then I think homeboy in the SRT-4 is full of ish. Like Satchmo mentioned, not only is anything above 18psi or 19psi gonna toast his motor/turbo with suicidal EGT's, but it also robs the motor of HP while only slightly increasing the TQ.

Did the guy have the Mopar stage 3 turbo upgrade? With that kit 24psi is a good target.

There is a local SRT-4 a friend of mine owns. He is coming in to have it dyno'd on our dyno to get "Dynojet" numbers (its actually a Dyno Dynamics dyno, but we can set it up for Dynojet numbers). He made 417 whp on Mustang dyno. :help

I think the Z3 'vert is less aerodynamic than an E36 M3. Which has the drag coefficient of a phone booth. That gives you an idea.

LOL that civic is too funny.

I think the Z3 'vert is less aerodynamic than an E36 M3. Which has the drag coefficient of a phone booth. That gives you an idea.
Eh, im probably wrong, i just thought with the front end it would be better even with being a vert. The weight is still less than the e36 m3 though right?

Eh, im probably wrong, i just thought with the front end it would be better even with being a vert. The weight is still less than the e36 m3 though right?
yes they weigh less, but normally verts are not aerodynamic. Maybe the front end helps a bit, but probably not enough to make up for it's soft topedness. I dunno about hard tops, hugo can you comment whether hard top makes aero better or not?

I knew that verts were usually worse i just didnt think the roadster was worse than the e36 m3.

The guy has an OEm hard top on his Roadster. It says so in his sig. Also, to A4rings, I used to own a 99 A4 1.8TQS, which was pretty stock, and very slow, however a friend of mine had APR Stage III and anything you could possibly think of, his car had some LAG! So, quit getting your panties in a bunch. Big turbos are going to have lag, it just happens that way.

I just dont see how a gt28rs is a big turbo and i dont se how full boost at 3800rpm is lag, sorry.

I just dont see how a gt28rs is a big turbo and i dont se how full boost at 3800rpm is lag, sorry.
it's a big turbo for the car, and it is lag with a low redline. everything is relative

i'd hate to see what your idea of lag is if you think 3800 full boost is good on a car that redlines at 6400

it's a big turbo for the car, and it is lag with a low redline. everything is relative

i'd hate to see what your idea of lag is if you think 3800 full boost is good on a car that redlines at 6400

Yea that would be bad it redline was 6400, but chipped redline is 7100

I have known plenty of stage 3 and stage 3+ guys and I won't piss off A4rings any more than I have to, but the car is tough to manage in first and second gear and unless it has built full boost, a run from 3rd gear up hurts because you have to wait a noticeable amount of time (regardless how small) for it to really start to kick in. At drag strips they are running the smallest wheels in front they can with the stickiest tires with very low psi. And even with that the most successful have changed their gearing, got custom lock up diffs and still more frequently than they would like, end up throwing the driveshaft.
This is not to say APR isn't an awesome company and the cars aren't fast...they just aren't all that. Hell even on the Vortex people get sick of hearing people talk about 1.8Ts being faster than God.

I'm not saying that the 1.8t is god or doubting that the mroadster beat the jetta, i'm simply saying that a 1.8t with a turbo upgrade whether it be in a jetta or gti or whatever, SHOULD be faster than any stock or close to stock s52.

yes it is a ko4 and the kid with the srt goes to boise

So in your words, even if the jetta has a large turbo he still loses, cool!! I think the lag excuse made it look better though. I have known plenty of stage 3 and stage 3+ guys and I won't piss off A4rings any more than I have to, but the car is tough to manage in first and second gear and unless it has built full boost, a run from 3rd gear up hurts because you have to wait a noticeable amount of time (regardless how small) for it to really start to kick in.
This is not to say APR isn't an awesome company and the cars aren't fast...they just aren't all that. Hell even on the Vortex people get sick of hearing people talk about 1.8Ts being faster than God.
:nono I hear all the skepticism ,but I can't see a NA modded S52 beating a modded ,big turbo VW 1.8T in the 1/4 mile or on the hwy with that much boost ,lag or no lag , especially with competent driver's in both cars.Guy perhaps could not drive the 1.8T.Here you go,READ:http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=216775&highlight=1.8t