So i haven't raced in quite some time but on the way home a red VW R32 GTI pulled up next to me and started revving his engine like a little riceboy. I ignore him and continue to drive the speed limit, he proceeds to egg me on for about another mile revving every 5 seconds till we get to a red light. I finally oblige by giving him a short rev back during the red light.

We both tach up on the cross yellow and when it turns green I lit him up off the line. I think I had about 1-1.5 cars before we even got to the otherside of the intersection. By 70 mph I was already 3-4 cars ahead and he slowed down followed by the usual ricer flyby. I guess the AWD and in those cars is useless, my roomate told me he beat one as well by 3 cars on his 3.5L manual Altima. They seem somewhat quick on paper but I've yet to hear of a stockish quick one yet. Anyone else have any similar stories?

poorly driven car. You should still be able to edge him, but you shouldn't be able to destroy him like that.

The R32 is a very respectable little car and can make good power.

r32 is a beast.....great car. period. simple mods and a good drive = 13.5 quarter mile. kinda heavy car around 3500 pds, but very robust 3.2 vr6 and nice short gearing from a 6 speed......if you had a chance to drive one, you would have much respect........i would own one, my only dislike, is im not into hatchbacks, its not much on exterior sex appeal, but everything else about it is iimpressive IMO(seats, steering wheel, interior fit/finish, grip, gearbox, brakes, ect.)

Good kill Jkan....I mean CosmosM blah blah.

r32 is a beast.....great car. period. simple mods and a good drive = 13.5 quarter mile. kinda heavy car around 3500 pds, but very robust 3.2 vr6 and nice short gearing from a 6 speed......if you had a chance to drive one, you would have much respect........i would own one, my only dislike, is im not into hatchbacks, its not much on exterior sex appeal, but everything else about it is iimpressive IMO(seats, steering wheel, interior fit/finish, grip, gearbox, brakes, ect.)

Yeah I heard that they can go mid 13's with boltons but this guy couldn't go mid 14's to save his life. I guess the myth is that all AWD cars are easy to launch which isn't always the case. Even so after the launch he wasn't catching up AT ALL. It's not a bad idea for a car but the whole package just isn't all there I think.

i too had a run-in with one of these the night before last. he said his was stock and my e36 m3 was stock too. after much antogonizing we finally had a clear road to try each other out. i was kind of worried i might lose, i never know with cars that look/sound like that. i never heard a turbo, or supercharger (later i found that he has a very similar engine as we do, 3.2L I6 putting out around 240hp).

so we finally went at it, from about a 20mph roll. i got a slightly earlier start than him but by the time we shut down (around 100mph) neither one of us had pulled on the other. he stayed by my side the whole damn time. he seemed dissapointed, i was in awe at how fast that car was. considering i had 2 extra passengers (he drove alone) i was thinking i could crawl away from him if we went at it again on equal terms.

either way, these are not to be underestimated. from what i've read they are rare too, only a few were shipped from europe. there is not much difference in power than stock e36s.

kinda heavy car around 3500 pds

from what i've read they are only slightly heavier than e36 M3s (75lbs difference).

I guess the AWD and in those cars is useless

not from what i discovered. the guy tried to get me to go at a few stop lights and he got incredible launches.

here's a link i found while looking up info on this car.
http://www.modernracer.com/vwr32.html (specs, don't believe the "v"6 they have up at the top, it's a I6. that is what the guy told me and i saw it somewhere else but i can't find the link anymore.)

(specs, don't believe the "v"6 they have up at the top, it's a I6. that is what the guy told me and i saw it somewhere else but i can't find the link anymore.)It is not an I6 it is a VR6. An I6 would not fit in the front of a R32, unless it was really small. The engine is transverse, and therefore it is sideways. If you look at an E36 engine, there is no way it will fit sideways... Anyways, it is a really nice car and I might get a used one someday as there are only 5000 in the US.

Wikipedia:
VR6 is an engine configuration developed by the Volkswagen Group. It is similar to the V engine, but with the cylinders offset from each other and tilted by 15° instead of the usual 60°. The name, VR6 comes from a combination of Vee and the German word Reihenmotor. The combination of the two can be roughly translated as "in-line Vee."

The VR6 was specifically designed for transverse installation in front wheel drive vehicles. By using the narrow 15° VR6 engine, it was possible to install a six-cylinder engine in existing Volkswagen models. A wider V6 engine of conventional design would have required lengthening existing vehicles to provide enough crumple zone between the front of the vehicle and the engine, and between the engine and the passenger cell. In addition, the VR6 is able to use the firing interval of an Inline-6 engine. As a result, it is nearly as smooth as an Inline-6.

Pictures:

V6
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/61/60%B0_V6.gif

VR6
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/25/15%B0_VR6.gif

from what i've read they are only slightly heavier than e36 M3s (75lbs difference).


Every curb weight I have seen for the R32 was 3400lbs or 3409lbs. That's a little more than 75lbs heavier than 3175lbs.

the r32 weighs 3330lbs. The r32 can run very high 13's with a respectible driver. The e36 m3 and the r32, stock for stock, should be VERY VERY CLOSE. I don't know exactly how close, i have raced a couple in stock form, and i have walked them from a roll. Again, i wont say that this will always be true, the drivers i have raced against may have been bad drivers. And maybe the guys that people on this board have raced were bad drivers (r32 drivers). None the less, the power of both cars are 240 (though the r32 is supposedly underrated, closer to 250hp. The torque on the r32 is also 236lbs. I would guess that with equal drivers, the m3 might have a VERY VERY slight advantage from a roll, but from a stop, the r32 with a good launch should have the advantage.

The r32's awd system should not be mistaken with those on sti's and evo's. They are fwd biased, until they lost traction. If you are racing the r32 from a roll, the car acts like a fwd car, unless it is wet out or something and traction is a problem. The power loss isn't as great as the awd's of subaru and audi quattro.

The R32 has a lot of potential, but probably to about high 12's comparing quarter mile times. The R32 with a chip, intake, exhaust, pulleys, and cams... should easily hit 12's at a very respectable trap of at least 105mph. I have seen guys hit 13.2@ 103 with just chip and intake and a free mod with the exhaust and rear seat eliminated.

Though i am extremely delighted with the r32, and have given a lot of people a run for their money, especially from dead stops... i am letting her go. I am going towards the path of probably a slightly used e46 m3.

Thanks
Peter

Every curb weight I have seen for the R32 was 3400lbs or 3409lbs. That's a little more than 75lbs heavier than 3175lbs.

Maybe he meant 75 lbs heavier than the E46....?

the r32 weighs 3330lbs. The r32 can run very high 13's with a respectible driver. The e36 m3 and the r32, stock for stock, should be VERY VERY CLOSE. I don't know exactly how close, i have raced a couple in stock form, and i have walked them from a roll. Again, i wont say that this will always be true, the drivers i have raced against may have been bad drivers. And maybe the guys that people on this board have raced were bad drivers (r32 drivers). None the less, the power of both cars are 240 (though the r32 is supposedly underrated, closer to 250hp. The torque on the r32 is also 236lbs. I would guess that with equal drivers, the m3 might have a VERY VERY slight advantage from a roll, but from a stop, the r32 with a good launch should have the advantage.

The r32's awd system should not be mistaken with those on sti's and evo's. They are fwd biased, until they lost traction. If you are racing the r32 from a roll, the car acts like a fwd car, unless it is wet out or something and traction is a problem. The power loss isn't as great as the awd's of subaru and audi quattro.

The R32 has a lot of potential, but probably to about high 12's comparing quarter mile times. The R32 with a chip, intake, exhaust, pulleys, and cams... should easily hit 12's at a very respectable trap of at least 105mph. I have seen guys hit 13.2@ 103 with just chip and intake and a free mod with the exhaust and rear seat eliminated.

Though i am extremely delighted with the r32, and have given a lot of people a run for their money, especially from dead stops... i am letting her go. I am going towards the path of probably a slightly used e46 m3.

Thanks
Peter

I have a slightly used M3 ZCP for trade and I'm lookin for an R32. Maybe we can work something out.

poorly driven car. You should still be able to edge him, but you shouldn't be able to destroy him like that.

The R32 is a very respectable little car and can make good power.

so true,
my friend just purchased a blue one over winter break, and we had some fun.

either way, these are not to be underestimated. from what i've read they are rare too, only a few were shipped from europe. there is not much difference in power than stock e36s.


They really aren't rare at all, there's a ton of them around here. The only thing that might make them a rare sight in some places is that its a $30,000 VW Golf.

Sweet cars though, I'm not sure I could fit in one but man they look/perform awesome.

haha not rare at all, check out how many came to the U.S. and if i remember corectly they only made them for 1 year.

haha not rare at all, check out how many came to the U.S. and if i remember corectly they only made them for 1 year.
but they haven't been around enough, to all be crashed, so they aren't that rare yet. They are probably on the same level as e36 M3s. The m3s had more, but now with many of them heading to scrap heaps, they are more rare. :stickoutt

Not a big fan of those R32's. A friend of mine bought one in November and we raced around a little bit on the freeway in late February for ish and giggles. Some guy in a Gran Prix saw us messing around and joined in for a couple 50mph-110mph sprints. I would usually put about 3-5 car lengths on the R32 but my buddy got really pissed when the Pontiac put about 50 feet on him too. Who the hec knows what was done to that Gran Prix (I believe they have superchangers so it's relatively easy to tweak them), but man was my buddy upset when we pulled over. He said "tell me that was a GTO". I told him "must have been", knowing damn well it wasn't.

We took a ride in his car later that afternoon and I was very impressed with the seats, lowend torque and relatively soft ride...felt a lot like an IS300 IMHO...but it certainly didn't feel like my expectation of a $30k AWD performance car after spending lots of time behind the wheel of an STi and Evo. Of course it gives you some creature comforts that the turbo charged AWD cars cannot, but if AWD and a little luxury were my primary needs a BMW 325xi would be a better, more practical, better looking, comparably priced alternative. Just my 2 cents.

Not a big fan of those R32's. A friend of mine bought one in November and we raced around a little bit on the freeway in late February for $hits and giggles. Some guy in a Gran Prix saw us messing around and joined in for a couple 50mph-110mph sprints. I would usually put about 3-5 car lengths on the R32 but my buddy got really pissed when the Pontiac put about 50 feet on him too. Who the hec knows what was done to that Gran Prix (I believe they have superchangers so it's relatively easy to tweak them), but man was my buddy upset when we pulled over. He said "tell me that was a GTO". I told him "must have been", knowing damn well it wasn't.

We took a ride in his car later that afternoon and I was very impressed with the seats, lowend torque and relatively soft ride...felt a lot like an IS300 IMHO...but it certainly didn't feel like my expectation of a $30k AWD performance car after spending lots of time behind the wheel of an STi and Evo. Of course it gives you some creature comforts that the turbo charged AWD cars cannot, but if AWD and a little luxury were my primary needs a BMW 325xi would be a better, more practical, better looking, comparably priced alternative. Just my 2 cents.
....tsk tsk tsk, steiner even you know creative censorship isn't allowed. ;)

But it is Grand Prix, and the GTP version has a supercharger. They have a 240hp V6 if they are supercharged. 200hp v6 N/A if they are not SCed. My buddy had like a 98 or 99 back in high school, and it was pretty quick until his supercharger burnt out.

What vehicle were you in when you ran your buddies R32, your evo or your srt-4?

....tsk tsk tsk, steiner even you know creative censorship isn't allowed. ;)

Edit made. :rolleyes :stickoutt

But it is Grand Prix, and the GTP version has a supercharger. They have a 240hp V6 if they are supercharged. 200hp v6 N/A if they are not SCed. My buddy had like a 98 or 99 back in high school, and it was pretty quick until his supercharger burnt out.

What vehicle were you in when you ran your buddies R32, your evo or your srt-4?

I was in the Evo. In the SRT-4 it would have been worse. And I'm sure it was the GTP version. I forgot that was the name for the top of the line model.

Edit made. :rolleyes :stickoutt
Don't roll your eyes at me young man!!! :mad


I was in the Evo. In the SRT-4 it would have been worse. And I'm sure it was the GTP version. I forgot that was the name for the top of the line model.
Your SRT was faster than your Evo? But yeah GTP is the top of the line, and is the only one that is quick. The others I guess have enough get up and go to hop into traffic but that is about it. THey are pretty piggish otherwise.

Your SRT was faster than your Evo? But yeah GTP is the top of the line, and is the only one that is quick. The others I guess have enough get up and go to hop into traffic but that is about it. THey are pretty piggish otherwise.

Yeah the SRT-4 had the stage 2 kit and exhaust so out on the freeway it had few equals...light, FWD, torquey, etc. The Evo is more of a canyon car and an absolute menace from 0-100mph.

Here are some home videos of the R32. The first two are a "before (http://thud.us/videos/car-av/r32-drive3-1.avi)" and "after (http://www.projectech.net/videos/r32/r32-zion1.avi)" of a stock R32 and then the same car with intake and full exhaust. Sounds pretty mean. Notice the soft suspension though- especially in the second video. Perfect for a luxury sedan, but that's too soft for a performance car IMHO.

http://www.euromelee.com/r32.mpg

http://www.swiftvws.com/blizzard05.wmv

http://www.audi-sport.co.uk/R32demo.wmv

And here's a gallery with a bunch more if anybody is interested.

http://www.r32-files.de/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=13&page=2

ack, I will have to watch those on monday at work. I'm not going to even attempt to do it on my slow connection i'm on now.

ack, I will have to watch those on monday at work. I'm not going to even attempt to do it on my slow connection i'm on now.

Pretend they're free porn videos. Than the download times won't be so bad. :evil2

Pretend they're free porn videos. Than the download times won't be so bad. :evil2
:lol3 that will still suck, I won't even download porn videos on my connection, I gotta tough it out with imagination. :(

The mechanic that did my cam install has an R32. According to him only 5000 were made for the US market, so yeah they ARE rare. Each one has it's own VW s/n# to make the "collector's feel" complete. He's put an APR chip (tuneable for 91, 93 and 104 octane on the fly), and center resonator delete. That thing sounds like nothing else on the road... SIMPLY AWESOME!!! I got a whiff of what a real throaty exaust note should sound like today :eyecrazy

He is used to 6K RPM launches on wet surface without loosing traction BTW :D

ok, well what was it, I think e36 m3s, realeased roughly around 5k per year. Same thing as the r32s, but the r32s were only for one year. With the bimmers being up to 10 years old, they have had more time to be dismantled, wrecked, tracked, and trashed than the r32s. I would put them on the same rarity level as the M3s at this very moment.

Yeah.. it's a very well balanced car, and I think now they have an upgrade for the AWD sytem (Haldex), that makes the driver push the car even more towards the limits of adhesion and still get away with it.

While we're talkin about rare VWs on the road... my Corrado was one of 5000 total (US & Canada), that was made over a period 5 years. And the last production year being '95... you SHALL be the only one on the road, no matter where you go :)

Eh, i see more r32's than e36 m3's down here. I see a lot of e46 m3's though. I guess down here in orlando whoever can afford an e36 can afford an e46 too and gets that. Now ive yet to see an e30 m3 down here, they are rare cars.

Eh, i see more r32's than e36 m3's down here. I see a lot of e46 m3's though. I guess down here in orlando whoever can afford an e36 can afford an e46 too and gets that. Now ive yet to see an e30 m3 down here, they are rare cars.
yep the only e30 M3 I remember seeing, was my buddy's dad's M3. and that was before I even really knew what it was. All I knew was it was a BMW. Then he sold it for like $2k. It was a beautiful car and mint condition. He was a complete idiot, and then bought a 318ti...........we never quite understood that. :)

I know around this area in virginia, at least what I've seen, the e36 M3s and e46 M3s are on teh same rarity levels. I've seen a few of each. I occassionally see an older dude (probably late 30's/early 40's) in a cosmos M3, bone stock looking, no tint, pass by me on Loisdale Rd when I'm waiting to turn left onto Fairfax County Parkway. Then I've met a few people and seen a couple other e36's.

Ive race a 323 thats pretty riced out with a carbon hood, big wing, stickers and dtm exhaust, he's also got e46 grills and a body kit.

I raced him in the 7, from 0-80 he had 1/2 a car on me with him only gaining when the 7 shifted to 3rd gear, i know i would have beat him if we would have went to 100 or 110 since the 7 pulls forever in 3rd gear (till about 110...)

Not to yank my own chain, but the odds of you seeing another Evo RS on the roads are pretty slim too. Mitsubishi only made 400 in '04 (200 red/200 white) and another 400 in '05 (200 red/200 white). I doubt it will be collectible (unless Mistu Motors leaves the USDM) but I like the feeling of not seeing the same car on the roads. Back when my wife had a Honda Accord I would think I saw her 40 times a day. ;)

Not to yank my own chain, but the odds of you seeing another Evo RS on the roads are pretty slim too. Mitsubishi only made 400 in '04 (200 red/200 white) and another 400 in '05 (200 red/200 white). I doubt it will be collectible (unless Mistu Motors leaves the USDM) but I like the feeling of not seeing the same car on the roads. Back when my wife had a Honda Accord I would think I saw her 40 times a day. ;)
lol the rarity thing is nice. But I'm not too worried, I actually like seeing more M3s. Well I do and I don't honestly. I like seeing it, becuase I have one, and I love them, and I want to see other owners, but yet I do like having a rarity. I normally like to be an individual, but I know with a car it is hard, that is why I accept it, and try to enjoy seeing other drivers..........how confusing was that?

But I do like knowing that the M3 is much more rarer than other 3 series on the road. :)

Not to yank my own chain, but the odds of you seeing another Evo RS on the roads are pretty slim too. Mitsubishi only made 400 in '04 (200 red/200 white) and another 400 in '05 (200 red/200 white). I doubt it will be collectible (unless Mistu Motors leaves the USDM) but I like the feeling of not seeing the same car on the roads. Back when my wife had a Honda Accord I would think I saw her 40 times a day. ;)Just out of curiosity, isn't the RS the stripped down version (light) w/o ABS or A/C? Just wondering how it is to live with the car everyday. I think it will be collectable, granted you keep the miles down and the mods to a minimum. It is rare, and fairly desirable. Down the road, if kept clean I think it will pull a premium over the regular Evos.

Just out of curiosity, isn't the RS the stripped down version (light) w/o ABS or A/C? Just wondering how it is to live with the car everyday. I think it will be collectable, granted you keep the miles down and the mods to a minimum. It is rare, and fairly desirable. Down the road, if kept clean I think it will pull a premium over the regular Evos.

That's the one. I hope it holds it value. I know it's a very desirable car for auto crossers - especially if the car has not been modified. The car is still stock (except for the stereo and speakers I put in), but when it does get modified I'm planning to make sure none of the original parts (dash, turbo, etc) are altered or damaged in any way. For example, I would never cut apart the dash just to add a navigation setup or an aftermarket gauge cluster.

That's the one. I hope it holds it value. I know it's a very desirable car for auto crossers - especially if the car has not been modified. The car is still stock (except for the stereo and speakers I put in), but when it does get modified I'm planning to make sure none of the original parts (dash, turbo, etc) are altered or damaged in any way. For example, I would never cut apart the dash just to add a navigation setup or an aftermarket gauge cluster.
WTF???? Steiner you drive a car with no A/C? WTF is wrong with you? Where do you live? I forgot to look at your locatin before I hit quote.

Also jsut pray that mitsubishi does go bankrupt soon, like many people are predicting, then the rarity of the vehicle will sky rocket. :) I mean no more parts being produced for it, WOW! ;)

WTF???? Steiner you drive a car with no A/C? WTF is wrong with you? Where do you live? I forgot to look at your locatin before I hit quote.

Also jsut pray that mitsubishi does go bankrupt soon, like many people are predicting, then the rarity of the vehicle will sky rocket. :) I mean no more parts being produced for it, WOW! ;)

Mitsubishi distributed a press release to the American media in early '03 regarding the arrival of the Evo VIII RS. In that release air conditioning wasn't even listed as an option. Between that press release and the time the first RS models hit the dealerships Mistubishi had changed their mind and made AC standard. My car, and every other RS sold in the USDM, has AC...but no power windows, power locks, or ABS. I love it though. I may add power locks this summer cuz passengers nowadays never think to manually lock car doors, but other than that I don't even notice the other stuff. The car is just a blast to drive. :buttrock

Mitsubishi distributed a press release to the American media in early '03 regarding the arrival of the Evo VIII RS. In that release air conditioning wasn't even listed as an option. Between that press release and the time the first RS models hit the dealerships Mistubishi had changed their mind and made AC standard. My car, and every other RS sold in the USDM, has AC...but no power windows, power locks, or ABS. I love it though. I may add power locks this summer cuz passengers nowadays never think to manually lock car doors, but other than that I don't even notice the other stuff. The car is just a blast to drive. :buttrock
oh ok, as long as you have a/c.

But I'll tell ya, aftermarket power locks suck. I did that on my old prelude. On the 4th gen (92-96) preludes, on the SI and SI VTec models they had power locks, at least as an option, but on the S model, it wasn't even available. I hadmy buddy's shop put aftermarket power lock actuators on. THey sucked balls. They hooked two up on my driver side, and they would still act up on occassion. But it was better than nothing. Just sounded ghetto, like if a girl was in your car on a date. I learned how to get the ghetto sound to go away, as long as I remembered. :)
Power windows aren't anything big, but seem ghetto, but as long as people no people your car is a "racing/track car" it is cool, but some girls can't seem to understand that. A chick at my work, just says, "Oh he has like a 1980 BMW and thinks he's cool cause he has a BMW". But she doens't seem to realize I boght it for it's performance, I coudl've bought a brand new 325, but they suck balls, and i wanted the emblem, the speed, and the handling for the price. :devillook :)

oh ok, as long as you have a/c.

But I'll tell ya, aftermarket power locks suck. I did that on my old prelude. On the 4th gen (92-96) preludes, on the SI and SI VTec models they had power locks, at least as an option, but on the S model, it wasn't even available. I hadmy buddy's shop put aftermarket power lock actuators on. THey sucked balls. They hooked two up on my driver side, and they would still act up on occassion. But it was better than nothing. Just sounded ghetto, like if a girl was in your car on a date. I learned how to get the ghetto sound to go away, as long as I remembered. :)
Power windows aren't anything big, but seem ghetto, but as long as people no people your car is a "racing/track car" it is cool, but some girls can't seem to understand that. A chick at my work, just says, "Oh he has like a 1980 BMW and thinks he's cool cause he has a BMW". But she doens't seem to realize I boght it for it's performance, I coudl've bought a brand new 325, but they suck balls, and i wanted the emblem, the speed, and the handling for the price. :devillook :)

Yeah...I'm gonna have to do some research. Apparently it's the same door as your normal Lancer so theoretically I could go to the junk yard and buy the hardware for dirt cheap of a wrecked car. The problem is going to be getting Mitsu to hook me up with a key fob. There are other RS owners out there who have made it work. I'll have to pick their brain before I go forward. Thanks for the heads-up.

After reading this, and looking more at the R32 I really want one... Granted I cannot have a car in college; so it is four years and I can get one, let the countdown begin.

Another video I found:
http://media.eurotuned.com/Volkswagen_nolinking/VW_Golf_R32.mov

After reading this, and looking more at the R32 I really want one... Granted I cannot have a car in college; so it is four years and I can get one, let the countdown begin.

Another video I found:
http://media.eurotuned.com/Volkswagen_nolinking/VW_Golf_R32.mov


Not a bad car at all but ellinopedo182 is selling his for a reason. It may be worth your while to shoot him a PM to find out what complaints he has.

Not a bad car at all but ellinopedo182 is selling his for a reason. It may be worth your while to shoot him a PM to find out what complaints he has.

i seriously have no complaints. The car is a blast to drive. Snow, rain, dry, whatever... the car goes. It rockets off the line and it takes corners and handles just as great. The interior is extremely neat and the finish is almost perfect. You can really sense german quality in the interior fit of the r32, as most VW. I have had a few electrical problems, but very minor and mostly with the trip computer. Nothing that turning the car off and starting it back on won't fix. Only problem is that it still won't beat e46 m3's from a roll (even my modded r32 vs. stock e46 :( ), and look wise, the e46 m3's makes it look bad. The e46 is just a great fit and finish car, from the engine to the exterior. I will miss the awd at times though!

Anyhow, i have considered not selling the R32 anymore, but still getting the M3. The WRX will have to go though. :( sorry. Seems like my younger brother will have to take good care of the R. He also has been talking about a turbo kit for it!

Peter

After reading this, and looking more at the R32 I really want one... Granted I cannot have a car in college; so it is four years and I can get one, let the countdown begin.

Another video I found:
http://media.eurotuned.com/Volkswagen_nolinking/VW_Golf_R32.mov

seeing that you really like the videos, check out mine in the sig. *******

I raced a friends 20th anniversary GTI with chip, intake, exhaust, and some other minor mods. He should be in the very low 14's on stock tires @ ~98mph traps. As you can see, as usual, those gti's don't get that great of launches (too much wheel spin), but i do give him the hit, and i only revved it to around 3500rpms... i could have gone as high as 5500rpms... :) He was trying till i gave up. The second race, which wasn't recorded, he gave up right after the launch. As you can see, my car is surely in the 13's(hoping for mid 13's)... once i make it to the track, i will post times and slips.

The R32's sound lovely with an exhaust and look very nice lowered as well.

Yeah the SRT-4 had the stage 2 kit and exhaust so out on the freeway it had few equals...light, FWD, torquey, etc. The Evo is more of a canyon car and an absolute menace from 0-100mph.

Here are some home videos of the R32. The first two are a "before (http://thud.us/videos/car-av/r32-drive3-1.avi)" and "after (http://www.projectech.net/videos/r32/r32-zion1.avi)" of a stock R32 and then the same car with intake and full exhaust. Sounds pretty mean. Notice the soft suspension though- especially in the second video. Perfect for a luxury sedan, but that's too soft for a performance car IMHO.

http://www.euromelee.com/r32.mpg

http://www.swiftvws.com/blizzard05.wmv

http://www.audi-sport.co.uk/R32demo.wmv

And here's a gallery with a bunch more if anybody is interested.

http://www.r32-files.de/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=13&page=2AWD is such a beautiful thing! ;) That guy drives extremely well in the first video.Very nice. 2nd video is very entertaining as well.I miss driving my Eagle Talon in the snow.The salt messes everyting up that's chrome under my hood.

The r32 looked good on paper, but I walked away unimpressed after driving it. Nice interior and gearbox, but thats it. Dont know if it's because it is heavy, or the awd sucking the power, it felt sluggish to me. Lacks responsiveness IMHO.

The r32 looked good on paper, but I walked away unimpressed after driving it. Nice interior and gearbox, but thats it. Dont know if it's because it is heavy, or the awd sucking the power, it felt sluggish to me. Lacks responsiveness IMHO.

Lots of people disagree with you. The EVO/STI look good on paper and end up being garbage. The R32 is a different story.

I actually like the evo, sti and r32. Some parts of them, i dont like the wings on the evo or sti but, the sti sounds amazing with certain exhausts.

I actually like the evo, sti and r32. Some parts of them, i dont like the wings on the evo or sti but, the sti sounds amazing with certain exhausts.
i actually dont really like any of them. But I will respect them for what they are. But I am very snobbish when it comes to cars and I am very particular. I buy a car, for it's performance, looks, styling and also (call me elitist if you will) the badge. I am materialistic, I'll admit it. :stickoutt

the r32 weighs 3330lbs. The r32 can run very high 13's with a respectible driver. The e36 m3 and the r32, stock for stock, should be VERY VERY CLOSE. I don't know exactly how close, i have raced a couple in stock form, and i have walked them from a roll. Again, i wont say that this will always be true, the drivers i have raced against may have been bad drivers. And maybe the guys that people on this board have raced were bad drivers (r32 drivers). None the less, the power of both cars are 240 (though the r32 is supposedly underrated, closer to 250hp. The torque on the r32 is also 236lbs. I would guess that with equal drivers, the m3 might have a VERY VERY slight advantage from a roll, but from a stop, the r32 with a good launch should have the advantage.

The r32's awd system should not be mistaken with those on sti's and evo's. They are fwd biased, until they lost traction. If you are racing the r32 from a roll, the car acts like a fwd car, unless it is wet out or something and traction is a problem. The power loss isn't as great as the awd's of subaru and audi quattro.

The R32 has a lot of potential, but probably to about high 12's comparing quarter mile times. The R32 with a chip, intake, exhaust, pulleys, and cams... should easily hit 12's at a very respectable trap of at least 105mph. I have seen guys hit 13.2@ 103 with just chip and intake and a free mod with the exhaust and rear seat eliminated.

Though i am extremely delighted with the r32, and have given a lot of people a run for their money, especially from dead stops... i am letting her go. I am going towards the path of probably a slightly used e46 m3.

Thanks
Peter

I wont argue with much in this. Steiner, claiming a 325xi? new? the .:R32 goes for $31K, if there were any new ones left.

a 325Xi new goes for how much? $38K?

thats $7K.
I have beaten Stock E36 M3s, stock for stock, and mod for mod.
I challenged people to a track setup race from here AND M3forum.com. no one answered with 200 miles of my SoVA location. talk is cheap.
I love M3's as well as my R. I would actually like to own an E46 ///M3, it is my non-rich dream car. Anyone want to trade?
and for the record. ive hit 13.2/13.4 quarter mile times.

Lots of people disagree with you. The EVO/STI look good on paper and end up being garbage. The R32 is a different story.

:lol

Even more people disagree with you on that dude. How exactly did the Evo and STi "end up being garbage"? :confused

Last time I checked these two cars were out-handling, out-accelerating and generally out-performing many sports cars twice their price. If that's garbage I'm buying a personalized plate that says "BFI4LYF". ;)

I anxiously await your reply. :redspot

Steiner, claiming a 325xi? new? the .:R32 goes for $31K, if there were any new ones left.

a 325Xi new goes for how much? $38K?

thats $7K.

In the time it took you to type that you could have visited the BMW North American website and discovered that a new 325xi retails for $31,050. That's $50, not $7,000. Like I said earlier...comparably priced.

http://www.bmwusa.com/vehicles/3/325xiSedan

:lol

I anxiously await your reply. :redspot



Absolutely, I'm not doubting their performance. I'm simply saying they've probably been more of a headache then they are worth. Tons of warranty denials is making ownership difficult (although "cheap" to fix relative to German). Furthermore, I would never want an evo. I can buy a $9500 lancer..and a lancer is a piece of garbage imho.

This is solely the reason if I HAD to pick between the STI and EVo, I'd go with the STI. At least I know I'm getting a somewhat decent piece of machinery and not a car with a failing company hardly standing behind them.

Absolutely, I'm not doubting their performance. I'm simply saying they've probably been more of a headache then they are worth. Tons of warranty denials is making ownership difficult (although "cheap" to fix relative to German). Furthermore, I would never want an evo. I can buy a $9500 lancer..and a lancer is a piece of garbage imho.

This is solely the reason if I HAD to pick between the STI and EVo, I'd go with the STI. At least I know I'm getting a somewhat decent piece of machinery and not a car with a failing company hardly standing behind them.

You're simpy not well informed. Not to say the STi isn't a great car, but warranty work has nothing to do with Mistubishi, Subaru, Audi or BMW. Rather it has everything to do with your local dealership. I've never heard of any problems unless guy's modify their cars or regular track them. The dealership is not your pit crew. You pay to play when you modify a car - whatever the make or model. Browse any performance car forum and you'll inevitably find somebody claiming they've been screwed because of their aftermarket parts. I know all sorts of guys in car sales...from Honda to Cadillac...and they all have stories of some clown pushing massive HP/TQ who breakes something and throws a temper tantrum when the service dep't won't cover the bill. Every manufacturer nowadays can download a driving history straight from the ECU if they feel something doesn't add up. Mitsubishi's name is the first you think of because of 1.) how easy and inexpensive it is to modify the Evo 2.) repeated AWD clutch drops at 5K RPM's will cause damage sooner or later and 3.) the Evo gets more tuner magazine media than probably any other car right now.

For every story about someguy with an Evo or STi being denied warranty work because of modifications I could find you twenty about guys who have great things to say about their dealership. The nature of car message boards is such that people don't start warranty threads unless there is a problem.

In my particular neck of the woods I'm a stone's throw from possibly THE WORST Subaru dealership when it comes to being "mod friendly". Conversely I'm just across the bay from what NorCal Evo owners universally claim is THE BEST Mitsubishi dealership when it comes to being "mod-friendly". It all comes down the dealer.

BTW...if you read that monster thread on EvoM about warranty issues take note of the mod lists in the primary complainer's signatures. Some of these guys list 11 second 1/4 miles, 1.8 second 60ft times and 400whp+. Those in the community with any common sense pick up on the pattern right away. A car will last as long as you drive it to last.

Absolutely, I'm not doubting their performance. I'm simply saying they've probably been more of a headache then they are worth. Tons of warranty denials is making ownership difficult (although "cheap" to fix relative to German). Furthermore, I would never want an evo. I can buy a $9500 lancer..and a lancer is a piece of garbage imho.

This is solely the reason if I HAD to pick between the STI and EVo, I'd go with the STI. At least I know I'm getting a somewhat decent piece of machinery and not a car with a failing company hardly standing behind them. :nono You are very misinformed.!Like Steiner said Mitsu will void the warranty when they find mods on the car or find out that the car has been in any sort of organized race competition. What makes an econocar like the Lancer garbage in your opinion?


Lots of people disagree with you. The EVO/STI look good on paper and end up being garbage. The R32 is a different story .:rolleyes Porsche/Audi/VW Fan :cool Lot's of people will disagree with the above.

P.S. from what I've personally seen,when both an EVO and Sti are evenly modded,The Evo's are known to dominate them in 1/4 mile competition.The R32 ,though a nice car ,would need to be turbocharged just to compete.Audi AWD,You'd have to spend ton's of $$$ to run 12's or 11's(modded) God forbid any damage occurs as well.Bye bye warranty!

Remember there are more STi's and Evo's owned and raced than Audi's and VW's IMOP,hence the # of warranty issues.

:nono You are very misinformed.!Like Steiner said Mitsu will void the warranty when they find mods on the car or find out that the car has been in any sort of organized race competition. What makes an econocar like the Lancer garbage in your opinion?

Materials quality and overall fit and finish. Get in a honda civic...thats a quality econobox.

Remember there are more STi's and Evo's owned and raced than Audi's and VW's IMOP,hence the # of warranty issues.

No way. The accessibility of the VW and their significantly higher production numbers would most likely indicate that there is more "owned and raced". Theres 100,000 members on audiworld and double that on vwvortex....the STI and evo werent produced or purchased in those kind of numbers...and that is only a fraction of the true sample.

No way. The accessibility of the VW and their significantly higher production numbers would most likely indicate that there is more "owned and raced". Theres 100,000 members on audiworld and double that on vwvortex....the STI and evo werent produced or purchased in those kind of numbers...and that is only a fraction of the true sample.Oops Silly of me ,you're absolutely correct. I was actually including DSM's as well. ;) But even still there would probably be more VW's and Audi's owned nation wide and worldwide.However the DSM's,Evo's and Sti's will crush them nation and world wide, performance #'s will indicate that and more are raced in different types of competitions. :D ;)Jeez,even though I believe this I'm such a trouble maker! :D

I really like to the look of the R32. Having been a VW owner, I question the build quality and fit and finish of a lot of parts, but I never had a problem with the VR6 engine. The tranny however would scare me; especially in an AWD chassis.

However, VW's can be made very fast with a small amount of money. My VW responded to mods much better than the M3 has. That tells me that the BMW was a better engineered machine IMO.

I really like to the look of the R32. Having been a VW owner, I question the build quality and fit and finish of a lot of parts, but I never had a problem with the VR6 engine. The tranny however would scare me; especially in an AWD chassis.

However, VW's can be made very fast with a small amount of money. My VW responded to mods much better than the M3 has. That tells me that the BMW was a better engineered machine IMO.

can a chip and intake get the e36 m3 hit a 13.2 @ 103mph? J/W.

can a chip and intake get the e36 m3 hit a 13.2 @ 103mph? J/W.
ummm most likely not. Maybe with slicks and race fuel. :)

But I know in your quote, the guy was saying, that the bimmer engine is better engineered, because it is already near it's peak potential. While other cars, show that their maker sandbagged on the engine.

ummm most likely not. Maybe with slicks and race fuel. :)

But I know in your quote, the guy was saying, that the bimmer engine is better engineered, because it is already near it's peak potential. While other cars, show that their maker sandbagged on the engine.

Keep in mind that when you're talking about a turbo-charged engine (especially the Japanese variety), emmissions restrictions and NOT engineering is traditionally what limits their potency in the USDM. Except for some very minor things, the USDM, EDM and JDM Evo is the exact same piece of hardware. The only difference is the tune. That's why American aftermarket companies like Dynoflash, WORKS and Turbotrix can promise upwards of 30whp-50whp with a simple mail-in ECU reflash. They didn't "crack" the USDM Evo VIII code...as I understand it they programmed in the Japanese code and coverted the metric to SAE. I know it's not that simple...the JDM code more or less provided a point of reference...but you get the idea.

Keep in mind that when you're talking about a turbo-charged engine (especially the Japanese variety), emmissions restrictions and NOT engineering is traditionally what limits their potency in the USDM. Except for some very minor things, the USDM, EDM and JDM Evo is the exact same piece of hardware. The only difference is the tune. That's why American aftermarket companies like Dynoflash, WORKS and Turbotrix can promise upwards of 30whp-50whp with a simple mail-in ECU reflash. They didn't "crack" the USDM Evo VIII code...as I understand it they programmed in the Japanese code and coverted the metric to SAE. I know it's not that simple...the JDM code more or less provided a point of reference...but you get the idea.
ahh yes good point. I know also, our cars (bimmers) are also hampered by our emissions when going from EDM to USDM. Because as far as I believe, the 328 in europe is about the same power as the us m3? and the regular M3 is 270hp, and the evo was what, like 310 or 320 or something like that. I don't know what all they change, because jsut changing exhaust system doesn't do a ton for us.

ahh yes good point. I know also, our cars (bimmers) are also hampered by our emissions when going from EDM to USDM. Because as far as I believe, the 328 in europe is about the same power as the us m3? and the regular M3 is 270hp, and the evo was what, like 310 or 320 or something like that. I don't know what all they change, because jsut changing exhaust system doesn't do a ton for us.

To be honest I try to not to even look at what kind of numbers our counterparts in Europe and Japan are putting down. It's depressing, but if I recall correctly the JDM Evo is about 315hp and the EDM E46 M3 is 380hp. You know the funny part is that all the car guys in the US complain about the detuned cars we get, but it's not the WHOLE country that's responsible. It's fugging California and our tree hugging, hybrid loving, smog NAZi's. I wouldn't piss on them if they were on fire. If USDM cars could be sold "49 state legal" then things would even out. To make matter worse we pay more for gas in CA, only get 91 octane, and collectively half the drivers on the road are illegal aliens, uninsured, or unlicensed. Gotta love this state. Sooner or later I'm outa here. Just gotta find a nicer place.

To be honest I try to not to even look at what kind of numbers our counterparts in Europe and Japan are putting down. It's depressing, but if I recall correctly the JDM Evo is about 315hp and the EDM E46 M3 is 380hp. You know the funny part is that all the car guys in the US complain about the detuned cars we get, but it's not the WHOLE country that's responsible. It's fugging California and our tree hugging, hybrid loving, smog NAZi's. I wouldn't piss on them if they were on fire. If USDM cars could be sold "49 state legal" then things would even out. To make matter worse we pay more for gas in CA, only get 91 octane, and collectively half the drivers on the road are illegal aliens, uninsured, or unlicensed. Gotta love this state. Sooner or later I'm outa here. Just gotta find a nicer place.
lol, I wasn't sure about the e46 M3. I just know that with e36, it is always a question whether to euro swap or FI, becuase you get about the same results. and it is damn californians that cause us all these problems??!?!?!? Damn you california, why don't they just split off and become their own island? like in http://www.goyk.com/flash.asp?path=530 (i think that is right link, I'm waiting for slow ass connection to download, so I can confirm :))

To be honest I try to not to even look at what kind of numbers our counterparts in Europe and Japan are putting down. It's depressing, but if I recall correctly the JDM Evo is about 315hp and the EDM E46 M3 is 380hp. You know the funny part is that all the car guys in the US complain about the detuned cars we get, but it's not the WHOLE country that's responsible. It's fugging California and our tree hugging, hybrid loving, smog NAZi's. I wouldn't piss on them if they were on fire. If USDM cars could be sold "49 state legal" then things would even out. To make matter worse we pay more for gas in CA, only get 91 octane, and collectively half the drivers on the road are illegal aliens, uninsured, or unlicensed. Gotta love this state. Sooner or later I'm outa here. Just gotta find a nicer place.

the e46 in europe comes with 343hp. The sti comes with 265hp, 280hp, 310hp, and a 330hp version... as far as i remember. Evo's are somewhere close to that, with the evo extreme (was that just VII's?) with 330hp or 360hp... cant remember. and they also have the 400hp one, right? fq415 or something... don't remember the name at all. Someone knows.

The wrx has 225 hp compared to the 227hp here if that makes you guys feel better. :)

Furthermore, I would never want an evo. I can buy a $9500 lancer..and a lancer is a piece of garbage imho.

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The EVO comes with recaros, your car has flat seats wraped in plastic...sorry, letherette :rolleyes Yup, the EVO is clearly garbage compared to your car.

the e46 in europe comes with 343hp. The sti comes with 265hp, 280hp, 310hp, and a 330hp version... as far as i remember. Evo's are somewhere close to that, with the evo extreme (was that just VII's?) with 330hp or 360hp... cant remember. and they also have the 400hp one, right? fq415 or something... don't remember the name at all. Someone knows.

The wrx has 225 hp compared to the 227hp here if that makes you guys feel better. :)

I thought BMW sold a limited edition E46 M3 that was at least 370hp...was it the GTR or the CSL maybe. I thought I remember reading it had a CF roof or something too. Anyways...yeah the Europeans I believe have like 3 or 4 choices of Evo trims. I know the UK has the FQ260, FQ300, etc...with the latter number being the horsepower rating. It's the FQ400 that Top Gear showed beating up on a Lamborghini Murcielago around their track. I think the FQ320 and FQ400 have a different turbo and differentials than the other Evo trims. I'm not sure though.

I do know that the Europeans get the STi Spec C. It's a 330hp version with a 2.0L, low key WRX wing, lowered stance and 8" BBS rims. My British coworkers tell stories about it like ricers talk about Nissan Skylines.

can a chip and intake get the e36 m3 hit a 13.2 @ 103mph? J/W.

Can your car? Post your own times, if you have any.

I have seen a e36 run 9s@150mph - about as important to this discussion as your example.But feel free to find a r32 vw that can match that.

The EVO comes with recaros, your car has flat seats wraped in plastic...sorry, letherette :rolleyes Yup, the EVO is clearly garbage compared to your car.

The quality of an A4 is light years beyond an Evo (especially interior). Even evo owners won't doubt that.

Can your car? Post your own times, if you have any.

I have seen a e36 run 9s@150mph - about as important to this discussion as your example.But feel free to find a r32 vw that can match that.

Toss enough money at any vehicle and you can go as fast as you want...but what am I thinking e36 m3s are the best car ever made.

Toss enough money at any vehicle and you can go as fast as you want...but what am I thinking e36 m3s are the best car ever made.

Maybe. But definitely better than an A4. :stickoutt

Maybe. But definitely better than an A4. :stickoutt
holy bejesus. Nimble made a comment in defense of the e36 M3. That is a rarity. Normally you stick up for the other guy on the boards. ;)

why are we arguing? They are both good cars, atleast they are german or just really fast japanese(evo and sti)...It could be a honduh.

The quality of an A4 is light years beyond an Evo (especially interior). Even evo owners won't doubt that.

I don't agree, that is based on my experience as an A4 owner.

Maybe. But definitely better than an A4. :stickoutt

Heh...my A4 isnt typical. All I'll say is that the b5 is an excellent platform.

But if you wanted to compare apples to apples? I'd take the B5 S4 over the E36 m3. Too much modding potential to turn down with the S4. Try to get a ride in a stage 3 s4 and you'll understand. Plus now that dual gt28rs kits are in development, we should see some 600-800 hp b5 S4s with just boltons.

B5 A4 to E36 3 series? Tough decision. I really enjoyed my 96 328ic, fantastic motor and shifter. The a4 has more modding potential...I'd probably go with the car I could get the best deal on...which is why I have my A4 in the first place.

The quality of an A4 is light years beyond an Evo (especially interior). Even evo owners won't doubt that.

Clearly a subjective point of view. The EVO is meant for business, Recaros > A4 interior. Imo the EVO has one of the best interiors available for a performance car, no heavy options and great performance seats. Some even have optional a/c. :buttrock Wish more manufacturers would build cars like this.

Clearly a subjective point of view. The EVO is meant for business, Recaros > A4 interior. Imo the EVO has one of the best interiors available for a performance car, no heavy options and great performance seats. Some even have optional a/c. :buttrock Wish more manufacturers would build cars like this.
well I know the civic dx has that option available.....or unavailable. :stickoutt

The interior of the R32 is pretty fricken sweet. The seats are darn nice, and I love the blue guages of the VWs. The exhaust sounds really throaty once you take that piece (whatever it is) out.

Now, I don't believe that an R32 with just a couple of bolt-ons will pull 13.2's....atleast not consistently The two in my area are not hitting close to those times at all. They both cut 1.8 60fts. and the best ET to date was an 8.9 in the 8th......that's a very high 13 (~13.9)

Now, they are not modded (except for the exhaust bypass thingie), but I don't feel that an intake, exhaust and chip will net them 6 or 7 1/10ths...that's pretty fricken huge.

D/Rs my net them a 1/10th on the 60ft., but D/R's don't exactly fit the bill of "Lightly modded". Lightly modded to me means I/E/C.

Both were trapping 76-77 in the 1/8th. That's probably around 96-97 in the 1/4.

Now I could be wrong.....but I just don't see it. Awesome cars, though. The interior and fit&finish is light years above my hatchback's. :(

The interior of the R32 is pretty fricken sweet. The seats are darn nice, and I love the blue guages of the VWs. The exhaust sounds really throaty once you take that piece (whatever it is) out.

Now, I don't believe that an R32 with just a couple of bolt-ons will pull 13.2's....atleast not consistently The two in my area are not hitting close to those times at all. They both cut 1.8 60fts. and the best ET to date was an 8.9 in the 8th......that's a very high 13 (~13.9)

Now, they are not modded (except for the exhaust bypass thingie), but I don't feel that an intake, exhaust and chip will net them 6 or 7 1/10ths...that's pretty fricken huge.

D/Rs my net them a 1/10th on the 60ft., but D/R's don't exactly fit the bill of "Lightly modded". Lightly modded to me means I/E/C.

Both were trapping 76-77 in the 1/8th. That's probably around 96-97 in the 1/4.

Now I could be wrong.....but I just don't see it. Awesome cars, though. The interior and fit&finish is light years above my hatchback's. :(
What are D/R's?

Also would you consider headers part of hte lightly modded part? I know many people consider i/h/e as the norm for civics, rsxs, and that class vehicle. Dunno about VW's and stuff like that.

D/R = Drag Radials

Drag radials.

Nah....I don't think alot of R32 guys are going to mess with headers right off the bat. A Civic looks easy to install headers on since it's right there in your face.

I think the common route seems to be intake/chip/exhaust. Those are easy for everyone to install.

Drag radials.

Nah....I don't think alot of R32 guys are going to mess with headers right off the bat. A Civic looks easy to install headers on since it's right there in your face.

I think the common route seems to be intake/chip/exhaust. Those are easy for everyone to install.

Price also comes to mind. When I swapped out the cyl.head, I should have taken that oppurtunity to swap out the cams and install headers....but we are talking German cars here, not a Ford 5.0 ......just too rich for such small gains.
ahhh ok. I knew like civics and crap that was common. I guess it is very easy. I jsut know on these boards, (at least the m3 series) it is a very rare thing when you see somebody talk about installing headers. :)

Can your car? Post your own times, if you have any.

I have seen a e36 run 9s@150mph - about as important to this discussion as your example.But feel free to find a r32 vw that can match that.

i havent taken the car yet with my mods to the track. The potential is there, there have been two different people, and they have done it more than once. Average with my modifications is around 13.4-13.6! I will surely take my car up to the track before i get my e46. I want a new car that is much more refined and faster than mine, thats why im getting the e46. The e36 never once crossed my mind. No offense, im not into the look of them, they are getting old. The e30(?) m3 though is a whole different story, that car looks very sweet.

Thats great that the e36 has hit 9's... but the r32 has been out for a year and the e36 has been around for 10 years now. The r32 though has managed to hit 10's (hpa)... and 9's would not be something too far fetched. 3.2 seconds 0-60mph... not bad out of an r32, right?

I'm not gonna argue with some of you guys, because you guys sound way too arrogant. I asked one question if anyone has hit an 13.2 with just those modifications in the m3, and you guys started getting all defensive... "have you?" No... but i will try come a few weeks after i get done with all my studying and have some free time.

cao
peter

For all you guys talking about the nice looking evo interior, come on open your eyes, ur interior is purple!!!!!!!!!, it is the ugliest interior i have ever seen on a popular car, the seats look nice but have the ugliest upolstry on them, not to mention the hidiouse guages and cheap dash, I'm with mmart, bmw and audi are lightyears ahead of mitsu in the fit and finish department.

I'm not gonna argue with some of you guys, because you guys sound way too arrogant. I asked one question if anyone has hit an 13.2 with just those modifications in the m3, and you guys started getting all defensive... "have you?" No... but i will try come a few weeks after i get done with all my studying and have some free time.

cao
peter

Slow down there, Chief. I don't know about everyone else, but I am simply saying that it doesn't seem "common-place" for a lightly modded R32s to hit low 13's all day long. No doubt that there are a "few", but just because some guys like Silverstreak can hit 13.7's with a bone stock E36 M3 (it was something like that), doesn't make it "common-place".

If you are hitting mid 13's STOCK, then it's not even a question that you will hit low 13's with mods.

There are a couple of Lightnings that have hit low 13's STOCK, but you won't hear me referencing that statistic. 1. because that is not "the average". and 2. It wasn't ME who ran those times.

I will admit that at the track, an R32 should own an equally modded E36 M3 9 out of 10 times. Again... this is the track, though.......where live axles and AWD are at an advantage to IRS.

Let us know how you make out at the track. I, for one, am not a Dub-hater. Check-out where my "pictures" are hosted at and you know I am fo real, yo.

Id agree that the interior of bmw and audi is better in a luxury stand point. BUT from a performance and sporty, the evo is up there, it's got racing seats already, racing wheel, brembo's, and what else i dont know. Its not a luxury car, its a fast street car.

i havent taken the car yet with my mods to the track. The potential is there, there have been two different people, and they have done it more than once. Average with my modifications is around 13.4-13.6! I will surely take my car up to the track before i get my e46. I want a new car that is much more refined and faster than mine, thats why im getting the e46. The e36 never once crossed my mind. No offense, im not into the look of them, they are getting old. The e30(?) m3 though is a whole different story, that car looks very sweet.

Thats great that the e36 has hit 9's... but the r32 has been out for a year and the e36 has been around for 10 years now. The r32 though has managed to hit 10's (hpa)... and 9's would not be something too far fetched. 3.2 seconds 0-60mph... not bad out of an r32, right?

I'm not gonna argue with some of you guys, because you guys sound way too arrogant. I asked one question if anyone has hit an 13.2 with just those modifications in the m3, and you guys started getting all defensive... "have you?" No... but i will try come a few weeks after i get done with all my studying and have some free time.

cao
peter
I didn't take offense to your question, but I can see where some people would. In all honesty, just reading it, it seemed very snobby and condescending. Remember, some people assume the tone of voice when it comes to text, sometimes they assume wrong, and others they assume right. That is what sucks about not having a voice inflection.

For all you guys talking about the nice looking evo interior, come on open your eyes, ur interior is purple!!!!!!!!!, it is the ugliest interior i have ever seen on a popular car, the seats look nice but have the ugliest upolstry on them, not to mention the hidiouse guages and cheap dash, I'm with mmart, bmw and audi are lightyears ahead of mitsu in the fit and finish department.

Stop the hate, dude....just stop. You have the right to your opinions, but your post is a flame-beacon. That's the reason threads get locked so early.

Stop the hate, dude....just stop. You have the right to your opinions, but your post is a flame-beacon. That's the reason threads get locked so early.
aye, I agree, next thing you know, Steiner will have to respond defending his purple interior, and somehow he will work a flame into his post (even though he never does) and all because of Steiner this whole thread will be closed, when it was a very good thread with some good arguments and discussions and facts floating about. Thanks alot for locking this thread Steiner. :mad









.....sorry I'm bored. :D

I didn't take offense to your question, but I can see where some people would. In all honesty, just reading it, it seemed very snobby and condescending. Remember, some people assume the tone of voice when it comes to text, sometimes they assume wrong, and others they assume right. That is what sucks about not having a voice inflection.
very true. i hate when that happens, because you don't know how the person is saying it, if they are being sarcastic, arrogant, or true.

Wow.

There is no comparison between R32s, EVO/STi, A4s, and E36 M3s. The R32 is essentially an AWD hot hatch with good punch and nice handling, the EVO and STi are 4door streetable rally cars, the A4 is a heavy four-door lux sedan, and the M3 is a 2+2 sports coupe, not to mention the only RWD car of the bunch.

Each car have vastly different aims. The R32 will lean towards lux and speed, the M3 lux/speed of a different nature, the EVO/STi are no-compromises performance, and the A4 is just fat and slow (stock) lux.

Too many arbitrary judgements, biases, and personal preferences (i.e. lux street ride or harsh track beast) enter in to the arguments in this thread. These are all very nice cars, and they were designed with different purposes in mind, and those purposes are easily discerned. None of you will ever convince the others that your argument is correct.

Anyway, mmart mentioned the new S4 kits. ATP announced today that in June they'll be selling Garrett-based twin-turbo aps for the 2.7T (S4, A6, allroad) that will be good for "400-800" HP. Sweet.

ahhh vandy, way to go and ruin a perfectly good thread, with your damn, very common senselike non biased, informative post. Good frickin job buddy. Next thing you know, everybody will agree, and there will be peace on earth. :confused

Wow.

There is no comparison between R32s, EVO/STi, A4s, and E36 M3s. The R32 is essentially an AWD hot hatch with good punch and nice handling, the EVO and STi are 4door streetable rally cars, the A4 is a heavy four-door lux sedan, and the M3 is a 2+2 sports coupe, not to mention the only RWD car of the bunch.

Each car have vastly different aims. The R32 will lean towards lux and speed, the M3 lux/speed of a different nature, the EVO/STi are no-compromises performance, and the A4 is just fat and slow (stock) lux.

Too many arbitrary judgements, biases, and personal preferences (i.e. lux street ride or harsh track beast) enter in to the arguments in this thread. These are all very nice cars, and they were designed with different purposes in mind, and those purposes are easily discerned. None of you will ever convince the others that your argument is correct.


On paper this theory should work, Vandy....but in the online auto. forums there are no guidelines for the discussion. We are able to see such classic battles as an SRT-4 (w/ 10K in mods) vs. 996TTs, M5's vs. Evos, Z06 vs. Ferrai, etc..... cars that are not matched with their target consumers. As long as the thread is still pressing forward with no flames...I don't see a problem in seeing where it goes.

I would never post-up on a "who's interior is better" general topic thread....but since we are here.....do what the romans do.

I would never post-up on a "who's interior is better" general topic thread....but since we are here.....do what the romans do.
pfffttt yeah, that is because your interior sucks loooosssseeeerrrr!!! My interior is much sweeter than yours and your just jealous. You know that is why you don't wanna bring it up, becuase your interior sucks; Mr. My Interior Sucks.







ok I promise, no more off the wall posts.................at least for the night... I'm going to bed. :) (you didn't really think I meant for good did ya? :devillook )

pfffttt yeah, that is because your interior sucks loooosssseeeerrrr!!! My interior is much sweeter than yours and your just jealous. You know that is why you don't wanna bring it up, becuase your interior sucks; Mr. My Interior Sucks.
ok I promise, no more off the wall posts.................at least for the night... I'm going to bed. :) (you didn't really think I meant for good did ya? :devillook )

Hey..it does suck...and I am not ashamed to say it. Heck...my Lightning has better interior.....true story.

On paper this theory should work, Vandy....but in the online auto. forums there are no guidelines for the discussion. We are able to see such classic battles as an SRT-4 (w/ 10K in mods) vs. 996TTs, M5's vs. Evos, Z06 vs. Ferrai, etc..... cars that are not matched with their target consumers. As long as the thread is still pressing forward with no flames...I don't see a problem in seeing where it goes.

I would never post-up on a "who's interior is better" general topic thread....but since we are here.....do what the romans do.

Interiors.

Of the cars in this thread, I'd say R32, A4, EVO/Sti, E36 M3. :D For build quality I'd put the A4 near the bottom (assuming B5), E36 towards the top, R32 above EVO/Sti. When it comes to EVO/Sti I'm not really sure how they stack up in more detailed categories like build quality, so I'll bunch 'em together.

Hard to pick a best car here. The M3 interior is pretty antiquated, and the R32s is quite nice. R32>M3 for interior, but obviously the opposite is true for performance.

Regardless, Audi's are the best friggin' cars on the planet and all bimmers suck in the twisties. :cool

Regardless, Audi's are the best friggin' cars on the planet and all bimmers suck in the twisties. :cool

Well...someone has to drive them (BMWs, that is). :D

Interiors.

Of the cars in this thread, I'd say R32, A4, EVO/Sti, E36 M3. :D For build quality I'd put the A4 near the bottom (assuming B5), E36 towards the top, R32 above EVO/Sti. When it comes to EVO/Sti I'm not really sure how they stack up in more detailed categories like build quality, so I'll bunch 'em together.

Hard to pick a best car here. The M3 interior is pretty antiquated, and the R32s is quite nice. R32>M3 for interior, but obviously the opposite is true for performance.

Regardless, Audi's are the best friggin' cars on the planet and all bimmers suck in the twisties. :cool
well obviously :stickoutt

ahhh vandy, way to go and ruin a perfectly good thread, with your damn, very common senselike non biased, informative post. Good frickin job buddy.

nahh...he is audi biased!! :stickoutt

holy bejesus. Nimble made a comment in defense of the e36 M3. That is a rarity. Normally you stick up for the other guy on the boards. ;)


Hey now, I love E36 M3's...heck, I even own one. :)

I usually stick up for what? The power of a SRT-4, and definitely The Acura NSX...my all-time favorite car I've driven.

BAH! All this talk of Evo STI this and M3 that, blah blah...All these cars are played out...they're old hat! As of course they would be..how can you expect new and fresh thinking from old car companies that have gotten so entrenched in their antiquated ways? I'm going to start a brand new car company! One that is quick to react and light on it's feet, not slow and dogged down by "tradition" and "shareholders". All I need are some investors! Come on guys, who's in??
I already have a line on an engine supplier! They have amazing hp/cc ratios. Im not going to say the displacement or the name, but it rhymes with "Br-ggs and Str-tton". A few bots here, a few screws there and VoilA!!......the rest, as they say, is history!! The old names will barely be remembered!! :redspot

So uh...is this post where I'm supposed to get all pissed-off and defend the Evo's interior? :D

Nah...the interior is craptastic compared to most other $30k cars...OK $20k cars...OK alright you win $15k Hertz rental cars. I'm not gonna waste time arguing that point. I dunno about purple though...let's say "blue-ish". ;)

I've said it before and I'm sure I'll say it gain...I don't give 2 $hits about the interior of a performance car. Unlike many of you who started your driving careers in a beater, my first ride was a Buick Park Avenue...BORING! I've seen the so called "promised land" when it comes to creature comforts...heated seats, climate control, power everything - except under the hood...but it got old quick. For me a perfect interior means the gauges are easily identifiable, the seat hold on to you like a horny fat chick, the shifter is ergonomically placed, the pedals are sticky and spaced properly, and the radio controls are within reach. By those standards the Evo is 10/10. Maybe someday I'll need more creature comforts but I don't see it happening anytime soon.

BTW...the next poster who touts his car's interior quality in a "kill stories" forum should be penalized with this avatar. :D

http://www.funnymatt.com/images/fag.gif

does your interior have neon blue gauges? I thought not. +1 for VW.

does your interior have neon blue gauges? I thought not. +1 for VW.
no....no mine doens't. But I have seen civics and accords with gaugegs that look similar. Actually a ton, it seems every APC gauge in the ricers cars are neon blue. :stickoutt